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Obama to overturn funding ban on embryonic stem-cell research

posted at 12:25 pm on March 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Saying that he wants to restore science to its rightful place in government, Barack Obama will reverse the executive order signed by George Bush banning federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research.  Ironically, the hEsc research has proven much less fruitful than the efforts on adult stem cells, which have yielded dozens of therapies and have demonstrated the ability to become as pluripotentiary as hEsc cloning:

President Barack Obama will reverse the U.S. government’s ban on funding stem-cell research today and pledge to “use sound, scientific practice and evidence, instead of dogma” to guide federal policy, an adviser said.

Harold Varmus, co-chair of a science advisory group to the President, said Obama will ask the White House Office of Science and Technology to create guidelines to incorporate ‘scientific integrity’ into decision-making by U.S. agencies. The action on stem cells, which can grow into any kind of tissue, may help speed research into cures for major illness.

Academic laboratories, led by Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and companies already using stem-cell technology, led by Geron Corp., of Menlo Park, California, could gain tens of millions of dollars in funding because of the decision. A “significant amount” of $10 billion given the National Institutes of Health in Obama’s stimulus plan will go to this area of research, Varmus said.

“We view what happened with stem-cell research in the last administration as one manifestation of the failure to think carefully about how government use of scientific advice occurs,” said Varmus, a Nobel prize winner who is president of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, in a conference call with reporters yesterday. “Public policy must be guided by sound, scientific advice.”

Obama’s move hardly surprises anyone, and likely would have happened in a John McCain administration.  McCain promised to reverse the Bush restrictions as well during the campaign and spent the last few years criticizing Bush for restricting federal funding.  This was one of several points of near-agreement between Obama and McCain during the campaign.

The advocates of this policy cheer the supposed triumph of science over politics, but in truth, it’s the reverse.  Over a year ago, researchers found a way to unlock adult stem cells to have the same flexibility as hEsc lines, ie, the ability to transform into any kind of tissue.  Bush’s policy in effect pushed the government-funded research in that direction, which prompted the breakthrough.  With that process available, we have no need to grind up our offspring to cure diseases, especially since grinding up our offspring has yet to result in even one therapeutic result, despite billions of dollars of research into hEsc.  A scientific approach would dictate that we follow success instead of failure.

In fact, the market has done just that.  While some states (California being one) have provided public funds for hEsc research, most of the private money goes towards adult stem-cell research.  Why?  It’s a proven technology.  That’s one of the reasons hEsc researchers are so desperate to overturn Bush’s ban on federal funding — they can’t compete for any other funding any longer.

This decision places politics ahead of science.  People demand government funding for hEsc not because it works, but because it’s popular.  Pro-abortion activists want it as an endorsement of abortion as some sort of mechanism for scientific advance, and they’ve managed to sucker the rest into thinking that we’ll all die unless we start destroying embryos to keep us alive.  No one has offered a single scientific reason to have the federal government fund hEsc research.

Update: Science Daily reported last week on why hEsc funding is even more unnecessary (via Third Base Politics):

Mount Sinai Hospital’s Dr. Andras Nagy discovered a new method of creating stem cells that could lead to possible cures for devastating diseases including spinal cord injury, macular degeneration, diabetes and Parkinson’s disease. The study, published by Nature, accelerates stem cell technology and provides a road map for new clinical approaches to regenerative medicine.

“We hope that these stem cells will form the basis for treatment for many diseases and conditions that are currently considered incurable,” said Dr. Nagy, Senior Investigator at the Samuel Lunenfeld Research Institute of Mount Sinai Hospital, Investigator at the McEwen Centre for Regenerative Medicine, and Canada Research Chair in Stem Cells and Regeneration. “This new method of generating stem cells does not require embryos as starting points and could be used to generate cells from many adult tissues such as a patient’s own skin cells.”

Yet another scientific reason why federal funding should go elsewhere.


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It’s quite OK if you’d like to think I’m immoral. You’re entitled to your opinion.

Nevertheless, I agree with McCain and Obama and Nancy Reagan on this one.

AnninCA on March 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM

It’s quite OK if you’d like to think I’m immoral. You’re entitled to your opinion.

Nevertheless, I agree with McCain and Obama and Nancy Reagan on this one.

AnninCA on March 9, 2009

I agree. It is not that you are “immoral”, just (putting this politely) missing some of understanding.

Obama and McCain don’t want to know.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 5:35 PM

You see, they have been exposed to more information that you. The information that reveals the astounding promise. What they ignore is some details. Not because they are “immoral” necessarily. But because the more compelling information is hidden from them, or they ignore it.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Those darn dogmas and systems of ethics just shouldn’t get in the way of good science. Meanwhile, the Obama administration will no doubt issue a dogmatic edict that no animals are to be harmed in this research on killing and harvesting human embryos.

Mark30339 on March 9, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Obama administration will no doubt issue a dogmatic edict that no animals are to be harmed in this research on killing and harvesting human embryos.

Mark30339 on March 9

I’m glad you said it…

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 5:40 PM

I had read about the new method, and I thought it was wonderful and anticipate that they will continue to make progress on the less heated methodology.

But, I am pleased to see us go forward with stem-cell research, regardless of the feelings of those who take offense because of philosophical ideas about the beginning of life or other religious/moral beliefs.

On this issue, I am glad the government risked offending and move forward with the research.

AnninCA on March 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM

But, I am pleased to see us go forward with stem-cell research

AnninCA on March 9, 2009

What EXACTLY do you think they are doing?

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 5:43 PM

It’s quite OK if you’d like to think I’m immoral. You’re entitled to your opinion.

Nevertheless, I agree with McCain and Obama and Nancy Reagan on this one.

AnninCA on March 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM

In this case, my opinion is irrelevant. The whole lot of you are immoral monsters. That isn’t opinion. It is unquestionable fact. The fetus shouldn’t have to graduate from college before monsters like you ever defend the concept of life. And only then those of your ilk only use the concept of “defending life” to argue against capital punishment.

Life is worth defending even if it means exposing monsters like you.

highhopes on March 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM

Life is worth defending even if it means exposing monsters like you.

highhopes on March 9, 200

huh?

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 5:48 PM

But, I am pleased to see us go forward with stem-cell research, regardless of the feelings of those who take offense because of philosophical ideas about the beginning of life or other religious/moral beliefs.

I didn’t know the evil Bush had actually managed to stop all stem-cell research – wow, you would think the media might have publicized this. I guess they’ve been falling down on the job (or it never happened?).

The problem for me is the use of MY taxes to fund this research. That is what was prohibited and should remain prohibited. If there was great promise in developing viable treatments from embryonic stem cells, then there would be absolutely no difficulty in raising money to fund such research withOUT requiring taxpayers to pay for it.

Take a look at how much it costs to get a viable drug to market, especially considering the low probability of success and yet they manage to fund it all without getting the money from the taxpayers!

I can see only two reasons why they have to have taxpayer money. First – the possibility of developing anything useful is approaching zero, therefore no one else will fund it and these guys want to get paid! Second – it gives libs the ability to rub the noses of social conservatives in the fact that their money is being used for what those conservatives believe to be an immoral act.

My money is on #2 (which of course is immoral in itself, but when you can define morality to mean anything you “Feel” it should mean, you can pretty much justify anything – see Nazi medical “research” in the camps!)

Fatal on March 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM

highhopes -

Unfortunately, we need to flesh out the whole issue.

When terrorist attacked on 9/11, we didn’t say “they will crash planes into buildings”. We said they’ll bomb busses, and trains, and boats, and discos. They’ll kill by the millions if given the chance… etc.

For you and I, the embryo says it all. Still there is more. Much more.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Agrippa….I think this site is neutral and states the benefits.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/health.asp

AnninCA on March 9, 2009 at 5:55 PM

AnninCA on March 9, 2009

The benefits of stem-cells. THIS IS NOT IN DISPUTE. Embryonic stem-cell research is something else.

It is OK not to know this.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Well, my taxes fund a large number of things I’d choose not to fund. Oh well…..that’s taxes.

I’m really not too keen on funding political junkets. Haven’t ever gotten that one stopped. :)

Seriously, I know this is a highly charged topic for some.

AnninCA on March 9, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Versus extraction, you mean? Yes, I understand the difference.

AnninCA on March 9, 2009 at 5:58 PM

The next thing you know they’ll want funding to study moldy bread.

deewhybee on March 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM

AnninCA on March 9, 2009

If you want to “develop” your opinion on this issue, consider ALL of the things that matter to you. When you find out that ESC research does not “cure” anything, you may ask questions.

The thing to do is get distance from the emryo/life debate, and ask “what exactly are the ESC researchers trying to do, if not make cures”

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:00 PM

The whole lot of you are immoral monsters. That isn’t opinion. It is unquestionable fact. The fetus shouldn’t have to graduate from college before monsters like you ever defend the concept of life. And only then those of your ilk only use the concept of “defending life” to argue against capital punishment.

Life is worth defending even if it means exposing monsters like you.

highhopes on March 9, 2009 at 5:46 PM

There’s no arguing with irrationality. It’s sad, I can understand being morally opposed to this issue, but you cannot even imagine not having an issue with it. These aren’t absolutes, no matter what you think. People who believe different from you are not automatically monsters. That’s the same dangerous zealotry that brought us terrorism.

I have a hard time seeing how 8 cells kept at -321F (by science!) are a sacred human life. But then again, I’m not a christian and don’t have a pastor telling me that I have to believe such things.

jonknee on March 9, 2009 at 6:03 PM

jonknee on March 9, 2009

Correct. Those stuck on the embryo/life aspect of the issue are just as useless (unable to pursued) as the other side.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Next he will overturn the ban on experimenting on Infants.

GunRunner on March 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM

OmahaConservative on March 9

Great stuff. Doesn’t cure a thing.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:14 PM

I can see only two reasons why they have to have taxpayer money. First – the possibility of developing anything useful is approaching zero, therefore no one else will fund it and these guys want to get paid! Second – it gives libs the ability to rub the noses of social conservatives in the fact that their money is being used for what those conservatives believe to be an immoral act.
Fatal on March 9, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Or #3, that you simply don’t know how science research operates. The Feds fund *tons* of worthy research. The private sector likes to focus on highly profitable areas with immediate promise. That’s why they spend billions curing stuff like erectile dysfunction. There are a lot more men who can’t get it up than there are paralyzed people. If the Federally funded research shows promise you will see investment in the private sector.

jonknee on March 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM

“Public policy must be guided by sound, scientific advice.”

The way I interpret this is that anything that is scientifically possible should be allowed.

So can we assume that cloning is OK?

After all couldn’t we all use an organ donor running in parallel to us 20 or 40 years younger? Seems like sound, “scientific” advice.

Come on skipping the ethics component of scientific decisions is really out of bounds.

Conan on March 9, 2009 at 6:17 PM

If the Federally funded research shows promise you will see investment in the private sector.

jonknee on March 9, 2009

You are missing something. The reason this “research” “wants” funding, is because it does NOT have promise.

Now you need to ask why.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:18 PM

True, jonknee…there is a plethora of product r/a in that arena. :)

(I’ll never quite get it.)

AnninCA on March 9, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Reuters is headling this with:
“Obama lifts Bush restrictions on stem cell research”

But didn’t this go back before Bush?

In 1995, before any funding proposal had ever been approved by the NIH, Congress attached language to the 1996 Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act (the budget bill that funds DHHS and the NIH) prohibiting the use of any federal funds for research that destroys or seriously endangers human embryos, or creates them for research purposes.

And during the Clinton administration he talked about making changes, but his term ended before anything could be finalized.

As stated above this signing all seems a bit theatric and unnecessary since science has marched on and new ways have been developed.

albill on March 9, 2009 at 6:23 PM

I have a hard time seeing how 8 cells kept at -321F (by science!) are a sacred human life. But then again, I’m not a christian and don’t have a pastor telling me that I have to believe such things.

jonknee on March 9, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Oh! I knew it was only a matter of time before expressing Christian beliefs was attacked by the immoral monsters of the left. You call them cells when they are life. I defend life. It really is that simple and, no, that comes from my personal faith, not anything a pastor has told me.

Go ahead, you immoral moron, tell me that I am not entitled to defend my faith when you are essentially defending your lack of faith by no other method than attacking what I believe.

Make your case without demeaning my beliefs or STFU.

highhopes on March 9, 2009 at 6:25 PM

albill on March 9, 2009

There they go again! Embryonic Stem-Cell research! The media tries to blur the difference to confuse discussion.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM

You are missing something. The reason this “research” “wants” funding, is because it does NOT have promise.

Now you need to ask why.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:18 PM

I think you’re letting your moral opposition to ESC cloud your judgement of whether or not it has promise. The PhDs who actually want to do the research believe that it has promise. Do you really think a bunch of scientists are eager to do useless experiments? They could just as easily (actually, more easily considering no bad PR) do experiments with adult stem cells if they thought there was no use to ESC. After a decade or two it might turn out to be a bust, but it’s way to early to tell. The research has to actually be done first.

The private sector hasn’t funded the research so far, but they had a good reason–no chance of Federal funds to help out and a fairly decent chance that the research (and resulting therapies) would be banned before money could be made off it. It’s still in very early stages, this is the stage of problems typically researched by universities.

So if you have a moral dilemma, that’s fine. I can understand that. But your moral problem doesn’t mean there is no promise in it. The same could be said for medical marijuana research–some people are morally opposed but that’s not to say there is no promise in the actual science.

jonknee on March 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM

jonknee on March 9, 2009

Stem-cell research is a miracle beyond imagining. Incredible doesn’t even come close.

ESC is something else.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Make your case without demeaning my beliefs or STFU.

highhopes on March 9, 2009 at 6:25 PM

Well if that’s how it is, you could have taken the high road originally and made your case without calling anyone who doesn’t share your beliefs a monster… (Or a leftist, I see no reason why this is a left/right issue.) But it doesn’t seem like you have a case, you simply believe these are somehow human lives (albeit, frozen solid) and accept no rebuttal to that. As much, I have no interest in debating you.

Just know that as much as you think everyone else who believes differently is crazy, everyone else believes you are just as crazy. It’d be nice if we could all be civil.

jonknee on March 9, 2009 at 6:45 PM

So if your argument was that all people would have moral objections to using their own embryo for research, then by all means convince yourself that it’s on this blog that you finally met The Worst Person In The World.

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

The master is able to kill the slave.

unclesmrgol on March 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM

You do realize we fund research of pig farts?

Mr Purple on March 9, 2009 at 2:04 PM

For a while, a pork factory was located near my house. Luckily, it was too small of an operation to be viable and it went out of business. I can tell you that pig farts are an important issue, and while I’m economically conservative as all hell, I strongly support funding research into pig odors. Unless, people are willing to go along with preferred solution of just banning pork. But I’m a Jew and even with the assistance of PETA, I don’t see that idea getting anywhere.

thuja on March 9, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Separation between Science and State

Conservative Voice on March 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM

thuja on March 9, 2009 at 6:55 PM

do you believe the federal government should involve itself in such a study? Another example as to why I say Separation between Science and State.

Conservative Voice on March 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM

thuja on March 9, 2009

OK, but their is some possibility of sweet smelling pigs. They have those pills for bad doggie breath. At least they have a clue.

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM

BREAKING NEWS:

Obama to fund every cause supported by liberals and/or opposed by Bush.

reaganaut on March 9, 2009 at 7:09 PM

Obama to fund every cause supported by liberals and/or opposed by Bush.

reaganaut on March 9, 2009

Wait a minute. Don’t let a crisis go to waste, remember. Obama can choose not to fund ESC, “due to the economic situation.”

Agrippa2k on March 9, 2009 at 7:12 PM

The next thing you know they’ll want funding to study moldy bread.

deewhybee on March 9, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Or for doing clinical studies in the field to test efficacy or safety with positive and negative control groups.

a capella on March 9, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Question for High Hopes. Weren’t there any soldier’s funerals for you to protest today? How is pastor Phelps doing these days?

deewhybee on March 9, 2009 at 7:15 PM

He’s spending all of his time kissing Commie butt and undoing Bush decisions. Yeah he’s a great Prez…. pfffft.

johnnyU on March 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM

A scientific approach would dictate that we follow success instead of failure.

President Urkel has been following failure instead of success so much since his Acorn Election that one one would almost think he is trying to destroy America.

He’s in over his head, possibly had a nervous breakdown, its’ our duty, to relieve him of his duty, for Michelle and Michelles’ kids.

dhunter on March 9, 2009 at 7:20 PM

This makes me very sad and sick to my stomach. You see, I used to be an embryo once. Who was that German doctor who used to experiment on human beings? He must be smiling on us from the depths of hell.

kringeesmom on March 9, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I think you’re letting your moral opposition to ESC cloud your judgement of whether or not it has promise. The PhDs who actually want to do the research believe that it has promise. Do you really think a bunch of scientists are eager to do useless experiments? They could just as easily (actually, more easily considering no bad PR) do experiments with adult stem cells if they thought there was no use to ESC. After a decade or two it might turn out to be a bust, but it’s way to early to tell. The research has to actually be done first.

hell YES, as long as they get funding…

and adult stem cells ACTUALLY WORK!! this is all about getting the pork…because no private money would support it, since its been shown to be USELESS…unless you like getting tumors…

you act like no one’s ever done anything with stem cells before…

In animal studies, embryonic-stem-cell treatments have been found to cause tumors. In one mouse study involving an attempt to treat Parkinson’s-type symptoms, more than 20 percent of the mice died from brain tumors — this despite researchers reducing the number of cells administered from the usual 100,000 to 1,000.

Tissue rejection is another major hurdle to the use of embryonic stem cells in medical treatments. This is why ESCR is known as the gateway to human cloning, since one proposed way out of this potential dilemma is to create cloned embryos of patients being treated as a source of stem cells, a process known as “therapeutic cloning.” Not coincidentally, many of the same proponents who are now urging increased funding for ESCR also advocate that we legalize and publicly fund therapeutic-cloning research, which many find immoral because it creates cloned human life for the sole purpose of experimentation and destruction.

link

and this was from 2004…and this from 2009

That cautionary counterpoint to biotechno-optimism is driven home by the report of a 13-year-old boy who developed brain and spinal tumors four years after being treated with an experimental stem cell therapy for ataxia telangiectasi, a rare and disabling genetic disease.

link

The private sector hasn’t funded the research so far, but they had a good reason–no chance of Federal funds to help out and a fairly decent chance that the research (and resulting therapies) would be banned before money could be made off it. It’s still in very early stages, this is the stage of problems typically researched by universities

ever wonder why???? could it be because there is NOTHING promising about it??? if it was so wonderful, private money would FLOCK to embryonic stem cell research…that it does NOT speaks VOLUMES….

right4life on March 9, 2009 at 8:31 PM

jonknee on March 9, 2009 at 6:34 PM

its simple, you think its SO wonderful??? put YOUR money on the line…instead of leeching off the taxpayers…thanks!

right4life on March 9, 2009 at 8:33 PM

do you believe the federal government should involve itself in such a study? Another example as to why I say Separation between Science and State.

Conservative Voice on March 9, 2009 at 6:58 PM

The government should probably be more separated from the sciences than it is at the moment. Political correctness could curb funding for certain groups with valid yet controversial goals I’m not talking about human eugenics…

Unfortunately, we fund many things of no importance in academia, so I doubt the separation will occur any time soon.

Upstater85 on March 9, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Obama: “That potential will not reveal itself on its own. Medical miracles do not happen simply by accident.” Oh really? I guess this means Obama believes in Intelligent Design after all.

liberty0 on March 9, 2009 at 8:56 PM

liberty0 on March 9, 2009 at 8:56 PM

nice

Conservative Voice on March 9, 2009 at 9:28 PM

For those calling this an endorsement of abortion, where is all the outrage over the destruction of leftover and unused embryos? If Life is so sacred to your Ideology, then you would think people would be crashing to gates to make sure that every leftover embryo is implanted and not destroyed. Then again, we’d probably have another “Octomom” feeding frenzy.

Hick on March 9, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Adult Stem Cell Research is far more productive then a Embryo. Embryo’s don’t produce, the process is not certain. An adult if one was to get injured, they can even take your own stem cells and produce. There are far more advancements with Adult Stem Cells. Using Embryo’s is not morally right. Religion has nothing to do with why it is not right. Is a very evil road.

sheebe on March 9, 2009 at 10:12 PM

Killing the innocent is never the right way. There is a war against free markets and a war against human life being waged. The general public yawns and turns the channel.

Mojave Mark on March 9, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Sometimes I think supporters of embryonic stem-cell research are superstitious. They believe that human sacrifice will gain the favor of the health gods. That’s hardly scientific.

In reply to Hick on March 9, 2009 at 9:38 PM, there are organizations that place embryos with families, but apparently there are are some difficulties adoptive families must overcome. I assume there are serious legal obstacles.

SheofTwoMinds on March 9, 2009 at 10:32 PM

They’re restoring science to its rightful place….

Right under the thumb of government control.

The Bizarro world of the Bush administration apparently lives on. Bush does a careful study of science and determines that human embryo research is not justifiable for federal funds. He carefully distinguishes between lines of research which do not require the destruction of human embryos, and those that do, allowing the first to continue while refusing to fund the second. During this time, advances in research make it completely unnecessary to destroy human embryos at all. Obama comes along and unnecessarily lifts the ban, apparently not grasping the science making such research pointless.

But in the Bizarro world that the press apparently lives in, Bush is the one who ignored science, and Obama comes riding to the rescue.

I realize liberalism is based on feeling rather than thought. But does it really have to be this stupid?

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 9, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Someone help me out here before I go off the deep end. Why is it that the entire world was waiting for the United States to lift this ban and to find all these magic cures that Stem Cell Research claims will come? Isn’t there another liberal country in the world that is already hacking their babies apart and doing the research? What have they found out?

hawkdriver on March 9, 2009 at 11:34 PM

(Personally I think it’s quite silly to bring god into this at all, but hey that’s me.)

jonknee on March 9, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Personally, I think it’s silly to spell God with a small g. I would say “maybe it’s just me”, but it’s not. It really is silly.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 9, 2009 at 11:44 PM

I’m sure Science could make a lot of advances if it were allowed to conduct vivisections on liberals. If you oppose allowing Science the freedom to vivisect liberals, you’re anti-science.

JohnJ on March 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Only upon brain death.

dedalus on March 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM

They’re liberals! Isn’t brain death to be assumed?

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 9, 2009 at 11:45 PM

If for some reason my wife miscarriages, it’s a bummer because we both wanted a kid (in this hypothetical example), but I’m not gonna mourn a dead human. This is stupid.

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

Try talking to women who actually — not hypothetically — had a miscarriage. The feeling of loss for a baby they never actually saw is very real.

Are they stupid?

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM

Isn’t there another liberal country in the world that is already hacking their babies apart and doing the research? What have they found out?

hawkdriver on March 9, 2009 at 11:34 PM

The question of the day!

neuquenguy on March 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM

I had forgotten that the Scientist who was leading Stem cell research had made the whole Embryonic line unnecessary due to his research. He felt relieved because morally he felt the line of research was repugnant, so he was happy to end it. So except for a few morally crippled Liberals on HotAir, the question is moot.

In 1995, before any funding proposal had ever been approved by the NIH, Congress attached language to the 1996 Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act (the budget bill that funds DHHS and the NIH) prohibiting the use of any federal funds for research that destroys or seriously endangers human embryos, or creates them for research purposes.

Never confuse a Liberal with Facts. Remember, it’s all Bush’s fault. Everything. Even the Dinosaurs.

GunRunner on March 10, 2009 at 12:21 AM

What Is “Sacred” To The Democrats In Power? Do They Have A Meaning For This Word? I Dare Say NOT! This Is A Holy Word, Used By Godly People (How Can The UnGodly Do Godly Things?) It Means To Acknowledge The Hallowed Work Of GOD And To Keep It In Deep Reverance And Respect. Sacred Words, “What GOD Has Joined Together, Let Not Man Put Asunder” Conception Is Sacred

GD on March 10, 2009 at 1:01 AM

There had never been a cure of anything from embyronic stem cells but many from adult stem cells and umbilical cord cells. This is just one more example of Obama’s anti-life agenda and sucking up to the abortion lovers.

Bullhead on March 10, 2009 at 1:55 AM

If for some reason my wife miscarriages, it’s a bummer because we both wanted a kid (in this hypothetical example), but I’m not gonna mourn a dead human. This is stupid.
radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM

When my sister-in-law (whom I don’t particularly like) miscarried, I mourned the loss.
.
If my life ever depends on being treated with embryonic stem cells, I will die. I have informed my next of ken of my choice.

darktood on March 10, 2009 at 5:23 AM

Does it not bother anyone that the Federal Government shouldn’t be in the research funding business at all???
Hello.
This is certainly not part of its duties to citizens as outlined in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution.
It doesn’t matter that it’s beneficial research, which is isn’t.
It doesn’t matter that it promotes the culture of death by using human embryos, which it does.
It’s a cost to taxpayers in a down economy that we couldn’t and shouldn’t afford.
Why the government started to “invest” in scientific research is beyond me, but it should be stopped as soon as possible.
If the private market can’t attract funds to research (and we know they can), then the government shouldn’t go in where the market fears to tread.
With Ogabe’s “we will cure cancer” remark, he opened a bottomless pit for the American taxpayer to throw money at the problem of research for the foreseeable future.
This act of his was a 2-fer: he continues to promote his Anti-Life position, along with the other pro-abortion things he’s done, and he gets to be once more the little boy who rebelled against his father, George W. Bush.
When President Bush made his decision, he gave a speech about it on TV, showing that his view was principled and well-thought out and even prayed over.
With NObama, we get no such soul-searching and this from a man who said that determining when life began in the womb was “above his pay grade.”
Apparently, it isn’t above his pay grade as he had now made the decision that Life certainly doesn’t begin with a fertilized embryo.
That being said, we still need to get Washington out of the research labs.
This isn’t a proper expenditure of our taxpayer money and never has been.

Oh, and with his statement that science shouldn’t be politicized, Obama will try to shut the door on those who deny that man-made global warming/climate change is real and taking place, too.
You’ve been warned!

Jenfidel on March 10, 2009 at 6:33 AM

I’d be heartened if I knew that Mr. Obama lost an hour of sleep over this, had a second thought, or looked out the White House windows at the stars up in the sky, and felt some of the humility the rest of us are familiar with.

But his ice cold and robotic visage yesterday dashed all hope. And the content of his prepared statement confirmed the worst: not only is the debate over, he actually took a warning shot at those of us who acknowledge a moral dimension in scientific decisions.

This was a chilling, calculated administrative act. It meant nothing to him on a personal level. And this mechanical detachment is an emerging pattern in the man. He is not a warm or thoughtful individual, and doesn’t seem to want to be.

History buffs, anything familiar here?

jeff_from_mpls on March 10, 2009 at 8:12 AM

If my life ever depends on being treated with embryonic stem cells, I will die. I have informed my next of ken of my choice.

darktood on March 10, 2009 at 5:23 AM

totally agree…

right4life on March 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM

This is a good idea from BO. I was wondering where we were going to dump all the extra tax money.

Wade on March 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM

If for some reason my wife miscarriages, it’s a bummer because we both wanted a kid (in this hypothetical example), but I’m not gonna mourn a dead human. This is stupid.
radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM
When my sister-in-law (whom I don’t particularly like) miscarried, I mourned the loss.
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If my life ever depends on being treated with embryonic stem cells, I will die. I have informed my next of ken of my choice.

darktood on March 10, 2009 at 5:23 AM
If for some reason my wife miscarriages, it’s a bummer because we both wanted a kid (in this hypothetical example), but I’m not gonna mourn a dead human. This is stupid.
radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM
When my sister-in-law (whom I don’t particularly like) miscarried, I mourned the loss.
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If my life ever depends on being treated with embryonic stem cells, I will die. I have informed my next of ken of my choice.

darktood on March 10, 2009 at 5:23 AM

When my wife miscarried we mourned the loss; my wife, my son, and myself. She was a human being that was called to God before she was called to us. My wife still says she waits to see her in heaven.

If you understand this, then perhaps it will help you understand pro-life.

itsspideyman on March 10, 2009 at 9:55 AM

This is worse than you think. By rescinding Executive Order 13435, Obama eliminated Federal support for anything but embryonic stem cell (ESC) research.

LarryD on March 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM

If you understand this, then perhaps it will help you understand pro-life.

itsspideyman on March 10, 2009 at 9:55 AM

For many the degree of mourning is related to the length of the pregnancy. When an embryo fails to implant, usually the woman isn’t aware that fertilization had occurred.

When fertilization happens without a uterus, in a glass container pregnancy doesn’t begin. The embryo needs to be paired with a woman in order to gain nutrition and grow.

dedalus on March 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Try talking to women who actually — not hypothetically — had a miscarriage. The feeling of loss for a baby they never actually saw is very real.

Are they stupid?

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on March 10, 2009 at 12:00 AM

No, just not in synch with the left’s view that life has to crawl out of the womb and graduate from college before the state lifts a hand to protect it. Then, the left’s view of protecting life involves preventing the capital punishment of cop killers or administering justice to terrorists. A miscarriage haunts a family for the rest of their lives (did in my family’s case anyway).

The question I have for all the immoral monsters who see nothing wrong with using embryos for research is why stop there. Why not experiment on an in-utero fetus before performing abortions? Why not just bring these children to full term and turn them over to NIH for experimentation? After all, this life too would simply be discarded.

highhopes on March 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM

When fertilization happens without a uterus, in a glass container pregnancy doesn’t begin. The embryo needs to be paired with a woman in order to gain nutrition and grow.

dedalus on March 10, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Life begins at conception. Who are you (or anybody) to say that conception has to involve a uterus? If anything you’ve made the case that all such research is immoral and unethical because man is playing God.

highhopes on March 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Life begins at conception. Who are you (or anybody) to say that conception has to involve a uterus? If anything you’ve made the case that all such research is immoral and unethical because man is playing God.

highhopes on March 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Much medical science involves playing God, at least to the extent that it thwarts or redirects nature. In vitro fertilization itself is performing in a lab what some leave to God.

dedalus on March 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM

The Democrats just love to kill babies.

Maxx on March 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM

If my life ever depends on being treated with embryonic stem cells, I will die. I have informed my next of ken of my choice.

darktood on March 10, 2009 at 5:23 AM

Ditto!!! I will not sacrifice another to Satan so that I may live beyond my appointed time

AH_C on March 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM

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