Guess who also wanted a president to fail?; Update: And the military? Update: AOL Hot Seat Poll added
posted at 9:39 am on March 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Patterico dusts off a 2006 poll from Fox News that plumbs the history of wishing failure a little more thoroughly than the media seems to want to do on their own. The question of wishing success or failure is not new; Fox explicitly asked that very question to its survey respondents. Fifty-one percent of Democrats wanted to see George Bush fail:

Even 34% of independents said they wanted to see Bush fail. This came after Katrina and in the middle of the deluge of sectarian violence in Iraq, and not long before Bush’s second midterms. Three months later, Republicans lost Congress and Donald Rumsfeld got the boot. Bush was not terribly popular then, and it didn’t get better for him afterwards.
We didn’t hear screams of outrage in the media when this survey showed a majority of Democrats wanting “our President” to fail. Nor should we have; our democratic republic uses competing political interests as its own check on extremism. Some people had a legitimate policy interest in hoping that Bush would fail, and some had less legitimate reasons, but few screeched “TREASON” at these results. No one in the media found the idea that an opponent of Bush might wish him failure particularly noteworthy in 2006, either.
Now the 51% of Democrats who wanted Bush to fail in 2006 suddenly get the vapors when the tables turn and the hero of Hope and Change is in the White House. Maybe they’re just not used to having to play defense. The way they act, they won’t have to play it for long.
Update: Sister Toldjah — who has a cool new design for her site — finds the same result in a 2007 poll, but this time on Iraq. 34% of Democrats wanted the new US plan (the “surge”) to fail, explicitly rooting for our military to fail. Read the question carefully:
Do you personally want the Iraq plan President Bush announced last week to succeed?
Overall: 63% Yes 22% No 15% Don’t Know
Democrats: 51% Yes 34% No 15% Don’t Know
Republicans: 79% Yes 11% No 10% Don’t Know
Independents: 63% Yes 19% No 17% Don’t Know
That isn’t asking for a prediction. It’s asking what people want — and they wanted us to fail in Iraq.
Update II: I had the numbers reversed on the update. 51% wanted the plans to succeed, while 34% rooted for defeat.
Update III: Jon from Third Base Politics had this first, so let’s give him a big thank you!
Update IV: Here’s an AOL Hot Seat poll on the topic:
My answer: No — and neither is hoping Obama fails in his efforts to fundamentally reshape American economics and government.
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Those of us who have the ability to remember past yesterday are not surprised. I can still see Dinghy Harry’s ugly mug announcing the wars failure.
anniekc on March 9, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Funny!!!
sonofdy on March 9, 2009 at 9:43 AM
anniekc: Well I can do you one better, obama is declearing Afganistan a failure. And he is the CinC!!!
sonofdy on March 9, 2009 at 9:44 AM
We WANT Obama to succeed, as America would do well. We also KNOW however, that the lame-assed stuff his OHNo administration (Obama-Harry-Nancy) threw together won’t do it.
originalpechanga on March 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM
I want o-vomit’s policies of radical socialism to fail in all 57 states. Plus Hawaii and Alaska.
Ris4victory on March 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Ah, yes, but that was the evil Bush, not the One.
mchristian on March 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Facts? They are of no use to democrats…they will tell us what the facts are.
right2bright on March 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Say it ain’t so Joe.
Brat4life on March 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Well, Obama is already a failure. He has failed to unite the country. He has failed to stop the downward slide of the economy. He has failed to live up to his promises. He has failed to provide any hope. And two months in, people close to him admit he is already “overwhelmed.”
pearson on March 9, 2009 at 9:46 AM
That was different, this is about a Democrat President.
NoDonkey on March 9, 2009 at 9:46 AM
I remember.
Good to post it here.
maverick muse on March 9, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Throw it in their face!
Throw it in their face!
Throw it in their face!
And put me down for the entire liberal
movementdisease to fail.whitetop on March 9, 2009 at 9:47 AM
So now what do all of you Rush haters have to say???
Waitint to hear you folks spin this one… Rush is one leader who is telling the truth… You folks all worried, the Moderates, the Center… Where is your outrage, where is your anger at the Liberals who wanted a President to “FAIL”???
Oh, because it’s Rush it bad… But Pelosi, Gore, Reid, Murtha and SO MANY more far left radicals wanted the same thing for Bush…
Ok, now grow a set and appologise to Rush and the rest of us real Conservatives, then go away and shut up while we take America back from the radical bent on the destrustion of America and it’s traditions…
WUSSIFICATION is not an option anymore from you Moderates…
Mark Garnett on March 9, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Logical consistency is never an obstacle to liberals pursuing power.
OhioCoastie on March 9, 2009 at 9:48 AM
The RNC should be making commericials, Conservatives on talk shows and news programs should hammer on this…
Throw this right back at em… LIARS all of em, and the MSM is conducting a TREASOUS ACT against America!!!
Mark Garnett on March 9, 2009 at 9:50 AM
This doesn’t even have the ambiguity of Rush’s words. Nothing about ‘bad policies’.
Every Republican talking head should keep a print-out of this in their jacket pocket, and flourish it at the appropriate moment in TV interviews, waving it in the face of presenters, Democrat fellow guests or whoever, when they’re asked about Rush.
Unfortunately, they’re not that smart. Pretty much any of the commenters here could turn around the GOP’s media operation in an afternoon.
EnglishMike on March 9, 2009 at 9:50 AM
I saw someone on Fox confront a Dem about this in an interview…but I cant remember who it was. They said it wasnt the same. umm…
becki51758 on March 9, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Democrats are, quite obviously, held to different rules than Republicans.
carbon_footprint on March 9, 2009 at 9:53 AM
I would love to join a nationaly viable 3rd party.
Till then? I will remain an independant.
sonofdy on March 9, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Did the person expand on why it wasn’t the same? Yeah, that’s what I thought.
ladyingray on March 9, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Apparently Rush is reaching out to the moderates and democrats..
the_nile on March 9, 2009 at 9:55 AM
The whole concept is specious. Liberals want to impugn anyone who disagrees with Barry as wanting national failure. If Barry fails, we end up directionless until the 2010 midterms or 2012. If he succeeds, we end up losing rights, and having permanently lowered our standard of living.
I am firmly in the camp of wanting Barry to fail. We have pain either way, but the pain of his failure is temporary.
Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM
It’s such a loaded question. Most people connect the failure of the President with the failure of America. Obama’s agenda is so radical and anti-America that we actually have to disconnect the two.
marklmail on March 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM
But I hear he does a mean Conga………
ctmom on March 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM
The Democrats were patriotic when it was the highest form of patriotism to dissent.
Now they’ve defined dissent as traitorous.
Gotta hand it to the left: they’re pretty consistent in defining words to mean what they want.
nerdbert on March 9, 2009 at 9:57 AM
It would be SO easy… All you do is play tapes, carry them with you, tape recordings of all the hate filled rants about Bush from actualy Liberal leaders like Gore, Reid, Pelosi, Murtha, Kerry and many, many others…
They ask about a PRIVATE person, Rush… You instantly play ELECTED leaders of the Liberals… WOW, they would have so much grief they’d drop the Rush bashing in an instant…
Put ads out from the RNC in every key district… Run them Nationaly, ust the money to hammer home the radical lefts agendas…
Mark Garnett on March 9, 2009 at 9:57 AM
MSM reports only what it wants you to know, only what supports its ideology and candidates.
The smartest thing the GOP and conservatives can do is escalate the media wars to get them into the open to make voters more aware. The dumbest thing we can do is keep playing nice (the way Michael Steele gets “b!tch slapped” like a $25 a trick whore).
bw222 on March 9, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Of course not..he rambled on and on and didnt really answer the question(something Dems do soo well).
becki51758 on March 9, 2009 at 9:58 AM
The Dems not only wanted Bush to fail, they went on an all-out 4 year screechfest orgy (Bush’s last term) in cahoots with their loyal allies in the msm to create the most unprecedented derangement syndrome ever seen towards a powerful political figure.
I don’t doubt the media’s power at all in their ability to sway the stupid.
RepubChica on March 9, 2009 at 9:59 AM
I wish Obama well in his personal life with his family.
As for his first and only real full time job, I hope he fails and fails miserably to do what he wants to get done.
His policies are terrible for America, his policies are terrible for the leach-class, and his policies are terrible for our national soverignty.
Give people back their dignity and self-respect. Fail obama, fail!
gatorboy on March 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Epic!
bluelightbrigade on March 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Typical “Do as I say and not as I do” attitude.
SassyDarlin on March 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Is this some sort of revelation….?
I could have told you this four years ago.
It was party policy of the DNC to oppose Bush.
This is such a no brainer.We could hang their contempt for George Bush around their necks like a burning tire but the GOP has seemed to have lost their cojones.
STAND UP FOR YOURSELVES GODDAMMIT!!!!
It’s embarrassing to watch this sometimes.
Geez…do I have to run this damn party myself…?
NeoKong on March 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM
FIFY
crazy_legs on March 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Ed, Isn’t the military Dem response 34%?
artist on March 9, 2009 at 10:08 AM
The way I read the new Sister Toldjah poll… 51 percent of Dems wanted the surge to SUCCEED. 34 percent NO
originalpechanga on March 9, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Maybe I’m missing something…
Doesn’t that show that your quoted 51% of Democrats wanted the surge to succeed?!?
I know I’m dyslexic, but am I reading this backwards?
Mr Michael on March 9, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Right! Every conservative and conservative blog should carry a permanent replay of Hillary shouting into the microphone that it was our patriotic duty to disagree with “any” administration! There are probably a hundred links out there of Democrats hating and attempting to thwart Bush!
I am not going to forget it!
JellyToast on March 9, 2009 at 10:11 AM
The primary reason that the media is focusing on trying to paint the right wing as offensive right now is to quickly try to build a base of equivocation to draw the public’s attention away from the last several years of BDS. They want mirror examples that they can use to try and keep us down in 2010.
The problem is that some on our side are only too glad to oblige them.
MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 10:12 AM
I want the us economy to succeed. For this to happen, obama must fail.
sonofdy on March 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM
I understand the hypocrisy here and am as angry as the next guy, but I think you’re interpreting that second poll from Sister Toldjah incorrectly. I think it says that 51% of Dems wanted the surge to succeed, not fail. 49% either wanted it to fail or “don’t know”. Which is almost as bad, but not quite.
bilups on March 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Isn’t the second question indicating that 51% do want the plan to succeed?
Democrats: 51% Yes 34% No 15% Don’t Know
katiejane on March 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Update: Sister Toldjah — who has a cool new design for her site — finds the same result in a 2007 poll, but this time on Iraq. 51% of Democrats wanted the new US plan (the “surge”) to fail, explicitly rooting for our military to fail. Read the question carefully:
Do you personally want the Iraq plan President Bush announced last week to succeed?
Overall: 63% Yes 22% No 15% Don’t Know
Democrats: 51% Yes 34% No 15% Don’t Know
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Ed,
I support where you are going with this and it is a good point but your Update does not support the premise. I don’t see where a 51% Yes vote to the question ‘Do you personally want the Iraq plan President Bush announced last week to succeed?’ result in the conclusion that the Dims wanted it to fail? Does it not really mean that 1/3 of the Dim respondents wanted it to fail, NOT 51%?
Analyze and discuss.
Dr. Dog on March 9, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Yep.
a capella on March 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Ed, you’ve misread that poll.
Hoodlumman on March 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Ed?
Get on it.
Abby Adams on March 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM
The whole Messianic organization is smoke and mirrors. Leveraged on the fact that most of our citizens have been sold a bill of goods. They’ve forgotten that “if it sounds too good to be true, then it must be”
It’s a matter of semantics actually. Notice that this poll says 2) no, do not want him to succeed The liberal, socialist population will say in their childish whine… “but it doesn’t say fail” That mean ole Rush Limbaugh wants our Savior to fail!!!
Just as an aside, it is interesting to note the definition of the following:
Messianic Complex, a psychological state of mind
Messianic democracy, democracy by force
any of it sound familiar?? just sayin’
ladyhawke53 on March 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Ed
The update makes a different point. Democrats wanted the surge to succeed, i.e. Bush was right.
swede7 on March 9, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Ed,
To join the chorus…
The poll says 51% wanted Iraq war to succeed. :P
We’re not as unscrupulous as the New York Times. ;)
Alexander on March 9, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Ed,
Unless I’m missing something, 34% of Dems said they did not want the Surge to succeed. Not 51%.
MikeZero on March 9, 2009 at 10:22 AM
Here’s a screencap of the relevant poll question. As has been stated, the results it shows are different from what is written in the post.
Slublog on March 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Note to self: Read comments before posting.
Sorry. It’s early out here.
MikeZero on March 9, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Not a big fan of Rush, but the full context of what he said is self explanatory to anyone with common sense. I too wish that the big O fails to make this a socialist country. However, he has made a strong start and the people keep asking for more. We have completely eroded our values of responsibility and common sense.
hillbilly on March 9, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Ed’s still waking up. Daylight Savings, folks. We’re all adjusting. Come on, Ed. A little John Daniels in the coffee.
MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 10:32 AM
Yeah, the bush depression is really bad but the President is not a socialist and will use the Paulson plan for the banks and let the free market work.
The gop corporate talking losers on cable will spew doom and gloom to try to keep it a depression and the gop want the President, the banks and GM fail.
Lets face it, the gop are very good at destroying our economy.
Why would any American vote for that?
getalife on March 9, 2009 at 10:35 AM
The Republicans presided over an ever-increasing Dow for over a decade. The Dems took over, and in less than a year it peaked…and now it’s taken a dive like nothing else.
So tell me about how the GOP destroys the economy. Tell me how the Dems inspire investors with confidence.
MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Another day, another Axelrod dollar?
carbon_footprint on March 9, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Morning getaclue. That would be “is”, not are; and I guess that would depend on what your definition of is is.
Had a great night. Thanks
swede7 on March 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM
MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Bush 1 recession 3300
Bush 2 depression ?
getalife on March 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM
One of the oddest things about the left is their ability to instantly forget things that tend to cause them issues. The classic example is the likes of Rockefeller (not Bush) calling Iraq an imminent threat but there are almost limitless examples.
18-1 on March 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM
One more time. Who has controlled congress for the last two years? Who wanted to force banks to make sub-prime loans? Hint; Dodd, Franks, Waters, Clinton, acorn, ect., ect., ect……….
Johan Klaus on March 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Did we really need this one poll as evidence? JUST READ ANY LIBTARD BLOG BETWEEN JANUARY 2001 AND JANUARY 2009. Of course they wanted him to fail! Its like MSM thinks we are so stupid, we can’t remember things from a year ago.
Speedwagon82 on March 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Since it’s looking like the Obamaman may actually drag this recession into a depression getalife and the rest are starting the mantra of “it’s all the fault of the GOP.” They’re already pushing the excuses early.
katiejane on March 9, 2009 at 10:45 AM
and this is news?
notagool on March 9, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Obama is the person who has been talking doom and gloom. And he is going to get the credit that he deserves.
Johan Klaus on March 9, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Dow up.
Bush depression fixed.
getalife on March 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM
18-1 on March 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Of that, Obama will need plenty.
Johan Klaus on March 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM
getalife = off topic and a broken record.
Ampersand on March 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Carter recession?
Reagan recession? Oops, there was none.
Bush 2 presided over more prosperity than Clinton, as did the Contract with America. Again, one year after Dems took Congress, the Dow began dropping and has been tanking ever since. Acknowledge it.
MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Read the answer carefully. 51 percent of Dems wanted the plan to succeed. 34 percent wanted it to fail.
JohnJ on March 9, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Ha. Do you really want to get into the performance of the Dow lately? Really?
Slublog on March 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM
I remember that the leftists held Clinton blameless for 9/11 because it occurred after he left office, irrespective of what role his policies may have had in enabling Al Qaeda.
Somehow now though, the Democrats are supposedly blameless for the economic woes caused by their policies because Bush was the lame duck president when they started – even though they took congress in 2006.
The stock market was over 12K when we had a Republican congress and president. With Democrats controlling the government we’ve lost half that value. EPIC FAIL.
18-1 on March 9, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Look, I know you want our President and country to fail but he fixed the bush depression.
getalife on March 9, 2009 at 10:55 AM
We will agree to disagree MC…
Sorry, but you and other “moderates” want to “play nice” with a evil radical hell bent on the destruction of America…
I’d rather fight then compromise… If that makes me have ODS then so be it, but I will not forget the traitors on the far left that wanted our Military to fail, our PotUS to fail and he was NOt taxing and socializing us into the abiss! So you go play nice with the far left radical bully in the playground, while I kick his teeth in… We’ll see who the bully picks on then, you or me… Bet it’s you…
Mark Garnett on March 9, 2009 at 10:55 AM
31% That’s how much the dow has lost since Obama was elected. Some fix.
Slublog on March 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM
getabrain
BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA.
swede7 on March 9, 2009 at 10:57 AM
If you stop with the doom and gloom the market will go up.
getalife on March 9, 2009 at 10:58 AM
The poll says something different than what Ed is saying here: 51% of Dems wanted the surge to succeed.
But, and it’s a huge but: 49% of Dems in that poll either wanted us to lose the war, or didn’t know whether or not they wanted us to win. That is a telling statistic in its own right.
Pavel on March 9, 2009 at 10:58 AM
I see JohnJ already pointed out that the poll shows that it was 34% – not 51% of Dems that wanted the surge to fail. Any number above 0% is appalling in my book.
loppyd on March 9, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Barry’s an EPIC FAIL, regardless of what anyone else wants.
Christien on March 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM
What’s with the 11% of Republicans who wanted it to fail? Bucananites?
Count to 10 on March 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Psssssssst, go tell that to your Messiah!
Mark Garnett on March 9, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Count to 10: My guess would be Paulians.
loppyd on March 9, 2009 at 11:01 AM
We’ve been trying to get Ed’s attention for a while. He’s overworked.
Actually the numbers say democrats agreed w/Bush re the surge.
swede7 on March 9, 2009 at 11:01 AM
No, We want America to succeed and the only way that is going to happen is if the filthy liar and his whole cadre of criminals, socialists, terrorists, and other traitors fails.
highhopes on March 9, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Or Moby’s.
“I’m a lifelong Republican, but I hope the surge fails”
“I’m a lifelong Republican, but I’m voting for Obama”
Etc.
18-1 on March 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Wow.
If you really mean that, I’m kind of surprised that you are functional enough to comment on a blog.
Now would be a good time to go back through your premises to find out where the error comes from.
Count to 10 on March 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Not with the filthy socialist liar in the White House. The market has voted no confidence of this incompetent, corrupt, anti-business administration. The market will not recover so long as the filthy liar maintains his current course.
highhopes on March 9, 2009 at 11:04 AM
“We didn’t hear screams of outrage in the media when this survey showed a majority of Democrats wanting “our President” to fail.”
Of course we didn’t. The vast majority in the media wanted him to fail, too and the vast majority in the media reported it that way. Quagmire predictions in Afghanistan before the first troops there could unpack. Quagmire in Iraq two weeks in because of a sandstorm. You name it, they spun failure.
So it’s not a surprise they jumped on the “Do you want Obama to succeed?” meme so quickly. They planned in advance for the demonization of any who didn’t fall in line with their beliefs.
Dusty on March 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM
To stop the doom and gloom, you need to also stop punishing success and rewarding failure. A good chunk of the gloom comes from the automatic tax increase that is going to happen in 2010.
Count to 10 on March 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM
getahaircut,
You really got us fired up with that one. Any more poop in the chute this a.m.?
swede7 on March 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM
swede7 on March 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM
No but the Dow is down again.
Doom and gloomers.
getalife on March 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM
You were never right about anything, but at least you used to appear rational. Now, you are just wasting bandwidth.
Vashta.Nerada on March 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM
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