Connecticut moving to regulate the Catholic Church?
posted at 8:11 am on March 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
According to the First Amendment and the Establishment Clause, the government has no business dictating to religious organizations how they should structure themselves. In Connecticut, though, some lawmakers seem to have skipped over the Constitution. A new bill will require Catholic parishes and dioceses — and only Catholics — to organize their parish leadership in a way that pleases the Connecticut legislature (via The Corner):
The Lawlor-and-McDonald-controlled Judiciary Committee has introduced Raised Bill 1098, a bill aimed specifically at the Catholic Church, which would remove the authority of the bishop and pastor over individual parishes and put a board of laymen in their place. You can read Rep. Lawlor’s defense of this bill, Bridgeport Bishop William Lori’s response and more here.
We need as big a turnout as possible for the public hearing on Wednesday, especially from non-Catholics. As Ben Franklin told the Founders while they were signing the Declaration of Independence, “either we hang together or we will all hang separately.” Legislators need to understand that this bill is an attack on everyone’s religious liberty.
Lest you think this is a joke, American Papist has Lawlor’s response to criticism. He admits that the state legislature wants to dictate the structure of this volunteer organization, but says he’s got his reasons:
… the current state statutes governing Roman Catholic corporations … were enacted in 1955. SB 1098 is a proposal to make changes in that law, which was suggested by parishioners who were the victims of theft of their funds in several parishes, and these parishioners feel that the state’s existing Roman Catholic Corporate laws prevented them from dealing with the misuse and theft of funds.
I agree with you that the whole notion of having a statute governing the church seems like an intrusion on the separation of church and state, but the current law does that already. Perhaps we should repeal the whole thing, but if we are going to have a corporate law of this type, it probably should make sure there cannot be deception of parishioners.
It more than seems like an intrusion on separation of church and state, Mr. Lawlor. It’s the real deal. The church’s defenders note that the state legislature in Connecticut currently runs on a $1.5 billion deficit and hardly has any room to talk about how private organizations handle their money. But even apart from the hypocrisy, fraud and theft laws already apply to religious organizations. If theft or fraud occurred, then parishioners already have recourse in the law. “Misuse”, though, is an awfully broad lever for government intervention in a religious organization’s hierarchy. No one collects donations to a parish at the barrel of a gun, unlike the state legislature. If parishioners don’t like the way a parish spends its money, they can find another parish or simply stop donating money to the one they attend.
The bill itself is a piece of work:
(a) A corporation may be organized in connection with any Roman Catholic Church or congregation in this state, by filing in the office of the Secretary of the State a certificate signed by the archbishop or bishop and the vicar-general of the archdiocese or of the diocese in which such congregation is located and the pastor and two laymen belonging to such congregation, stating that they have so organized for the purposes hereinafter mentioned. [Such archbishop or bishop, vicar-general and pastor of such congregation and, in case of the death or other disability of the archbishop or bishop, the administrator of the archdiocese or diocese for the time being, the chancellor of the archdiocese or diocese and the pastor of such congregation shall be members, ex officio, of such corporation, and, upon their death, resignation, removal or preferment, their successors in office shall become such members in their stead. The two lay members shall be appointed annually, in writing, during the month of January from the lay members of the congregation by a majority of the ex-officio members of the corporation; and three members of the corporation, of whom one shall be a layman, shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of business.]
(b) The corporation shall have a board of directors consisting of not less than seven nor more than thirteen lay members. The archbishop or bishop of the diocese or his designee shall serve as an ex-officio member of the board of directors without the right to vote.
In other words, bishops would no longer have power over the actions of the parishes. That’s the Connecticut legislature’s vision of Roman Catholicism, but in America, government doesn’t get to structure religious organizations to suit itself. That, in fact, is a form of fascism that we routinely decry in other countries. The State Department objects to China’s insistence on picking Catholic bishops itself to suit their political oppression of religion, and Lawlor’s motion would find a welcome in Beijing as another means to the same end: state control of Catholicism.
And why only the Catholic Church? If Lawlor wanted to improve the lives of Connecticut residents, why not impose this structure on every religious organization? I thought we’d fought the Know-Nothing anti-Catholic bigotry battles a long time ago, but apparently Lawlor is a nostalgic bigot as well as a fascist.
What happens when a Catholic Church defies this order? Does the legislature send the police to the parish to shut them down? Toss the pastor in prison?
The people of Connecticut should instead act to remove the lunatics who reported this bill out of committee. In the meantime, follow the links to see how you can get your voice heard on this un-American piece of legislation.
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I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
myiq2xu on May 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM
I for one welcome our new
ChineseMexican overlords.Viva LaBomb-bah!!
PappyD61 on May 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Guess Barry has kissed off borrowing any more money from the Chinese.
GarandFan on May 7, 2013 at 1:36 PM
ChiCom hackers? NO surprise here…
Khun Joe on May 7, 2013 at 1:38 PM
I believe the Fed actually holds more US debt than China does now.
Doomberg on May 7, 2013 at 1:44 PM
How do they know the attackers are Chinese? An hour after they block one attack, they want to block another?
The Rogue Tomato on May 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Why does the Pentagon have critical computer systems hooked up to the internet in the first place? Closing that door should be fairly simple: Unplug internet access. For critical computer access from off site, manually-accessed dial up (I know, slow) on a secure phone line could be used.
The Chinese can’t hack it if it ain’t hooked up.
Same thing goes for our power infrastructure, NO controls whatsoever should be accessible via internet. Readouts, status? Sure. But no controls.
iurockhead on May 7, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Brought to you by technology stolen from Intel, Apple, Dell, Microsoft, et al, and students educated in the very best universities the United States has to offer.
thatsafactjack on May 7, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Lotsa luck with that. Our policy makers are as insightful as a box of rocks.
Happy Nomad on May 7, 2013 at 1:48 PM
Watch me walk around yellow noodle town
–one of Charles’s sock puppets.
tom daschle concerned on May 7, 2013 at 1:50 PM
The US company was warned and did Nothing/Nada, until it was too late.
Bill Clinton sold the secrets to the Chines. Obama gives them away.
Many aid him in the process, in the US.
Schadenfreude on May 7, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Chinese
Schadenfreude on May 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Time to issue a strongly worded statement–And we really, really mean it this time.
mwbri on May 7, 2013 at 1:51 PM
It’s very interesting about socialist and communist countries: they can’t develop ideas and new technologies of their own (because communism doesn’t offer proper incentives to develop them). So instead they steal from others.
It’s like when Canada took pharmaceuticals that were developed in the U.S. at enormous cost and energy and then copied them and sold them at great discounts saying “See! We offer medicine almost for free. That means we’re more caring than our greedy Southern neighbor.”
The Soviet Union put astonishing effort and resources into stealing technology from the U.S. They knew their system couldn’t develop anything on its own, so they just took from us instead. Liberals all over the world were in awe: “Look, the Soviet Union can compete with the U.S. in goods and services sort of. And they don’t have any of that evil capitalism.”
What liberals don’t quite get is that when the U.S. completes its transformation into socialism, it won’t be producing or creating anything new anymore and therefore there won’t be anything worth going to the trouble to get. To adapt Thatcher: “Socialism and progress (in medicine, labor-saving devices, science, etc.) stops working when there’s nothing worthwhile to steal anymore.”
Burke on May 7, 2013 at 1:52 PM
The M.O. of Communist nations since WW2 ended: wait for the West to invent something your oppressed peasants are too uneducated, too poor, and/or too scared to try and make under your regime. Then steal it and make cheap knock-offs.
Though our laziness makes theft easy, it must gall them that they know they can never match us. Their back-asswards, socially unstable nation with a short-fused population bomb simply will not make parity possible.
MelonCollie on May 7, 2013 at 1:54 PM
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Oh, that’s a GREAT relief. We’ll all sleep better tonight, knowing that. : )
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Slightly O T:
Are there any Chinese still alive, who would remember aiding Doolittle’s Tokyo raiders elude the Japanese? I don’t know what that has to do with Chinese cyber espionage, but as I was reading it the thought came to mind and I couldn’t shake it.
listens2glenn on May 7, 2013 at 1:55 PM
In 50 years there will be one world, called Russia, capital in DC, run by the Chinese.
Schadenfreude on May 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM
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There’s some “stupid” book out there, that predicts a ‘one world government’ that will last approx three and one half years (maybe longer).
I don’t know why people pay attention to such far-out books.
listens2glenn on May 7, 2013 at 2:07 PM
One reason may be the number of self-defined “intellectuals” who dream of being the rulers in such a “Perfect State”. They’re probably the ones buying these books.
The trouble is, of course, that any such state would suffer the same fate as the Islamists’ dreamed-of “New Caliphate”. That is, it wouldn’t even last three and a half years, because inside of six months, every one of its leaders would be looking at the others and thinking,
cheers
eon
eon on May 7, 2013 at 2:23 PM
Last time I checked, most of the innovation was coming from those same ‘liberals’ that you brand as socialists. Believe it or now, innovation and scientific progress in this country has never been stronger. Your armchair observations are really bizarre.
Anyway, you don’t seem to understand the form of socialism- state ownership and control of corporations- that Hatcher was addressing.
bayam on May 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM
I don’t think communism of itself has an inherent disincentive for innovation because there could be non-material rewards for innovation, such as public praise, satisfaction in solving problems and so on.
China wasn’t hugely innovative even before it flirted with communism and today, despite the insistence of some HotAir commentators, China is not even remotely a communist society, other than in official rhetoric and propaganda.
My explanation for why the Chinese are (relatively speaking) bad at innovation because of their underlying culture that has traditionally preferred deference to elders and “superiors”, conformity and “keeping face”. These culture traits do not encourage innovation nor nurture prospective innovators; Chinese students and workers alike are more inclined to “receive” and “follow” than to “question” and “lead”. It just so happens that those culture traits are easily co-opted by ideologies such as communism.
Contemporary western students and workers seem to be the opposite — questioning even what is long established (e.g. the basis for marriage) and pursuing individualism even to self-destruction. These traits provide an environment (at least for a few decades until the whole society collapses from self-contradiction) in which innovation flourishes and knowledge expands.
YiZhangZhe on May 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM
There is nothing remotely liberal about the left any longer.
Perhaps you’re right, for once, Bayam. Perhaps I underestimated those technological giants.
Maybe they weren’t so greedy that they rushed to do business in a nation notorious for corporate espionage, deliberately ignoring repeated warnings from BILL CLINTON and others.
Maybe their operations weren’t so poorly designed and managed that it made stealing the secrets of their technology laughably easy.
Maybe, as you seem to suggest, these tech innovators of the left, each a genius in his field, intentionally became the victims of Chinese corporate espionage, thus enabling the Chinese to try to use that technology to hack out military information and control systems.
You know, with you to speak for them, the left doesn’t need any enemies.
thatsafactjack on May 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Your reply to listens2glenn is very funny if you were making a sophisticated, ironic joke, and much, much funnier if you were being serious.
:)
YiZhangZhe on May 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM
There must be. The remaining members of the Doolittle raid just held their 71st, and final reunion.
bigmacdaddy on May 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Pentagon: Let’s get real here — a lot of this cyber espionage is coming from the Chinese military
Remind me again … why is this so hard to acknowledge?
Jaibones on May 7, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Astounding, I could trace hits on my computer coming from China back in 2007. What ITH is going on at the pentagon?
jake49 on May 7, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Read Tom Clancy’s relatively new book Threat Vector if you want to learn how Chinese cyber espionage is done.
Tom Clancy’s books are considered fiction, but shortly after I finished reading this action-packed book, I started seeing what could have been excerpts taken directly from this book, appearing in actual news stories.
wren on May 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Why havent we been treating this as an act of war and reposnding appropriately?
paulsur on May 7, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Innovations like “green energy” and electric cars?
Doomberg on May 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM
Appropriately, you can answer your own question by referring to the ancient Chinese military text, known as “The Art of War”, by SunTzu.
http://www.sonshi.com/suntintro.html
YiZhangZhe on May 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM
This is difficult for the establishment to acknowledge, because China supplies the cheap circus part of the bread and circuses that are required to keep the general public quiet about it’s ever shrinking piece of the economic pie. Economically what happens if we restrict trade with China?
DFCtomm on May 7, 2013 at 5:24 PM
There are many things we can do without restricting trade. How about stopping student visas for engineering and computer science for Red Chinese nationals?
slickwillie2001 on May 7, 2013 at 6:14 PM
You claim that a culture in which “innovation a flourishes and knowledge expands” is doomed to collapse.
That very innovation and expanding knowledge is what makes a society or culture flourish, and it increases its survival chances exponentially over cultures and societies who lack these qualities. These qualities are necessary for adaptability. That which does not adapt to changing conditions ceases to exist.
thatsafactjack on May 7, 2013 at 7:21 PM
So you wish to continue to give favored nation trade status to a hostile nation? I admit that to change the dynamic would create a great deal of pain, but in the end it’s the right thing to do.
DFCtomm on May 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM