Quote of the day

posted at 9:30 pm on March 8, 2009 by Allahpundit

“Frum’s critique of Limbaugh is that he unnecessarily alienates those we need to persuade — the moderates and almost-conservatives — by engaging in gratuitous provocations which are more cathartic than forensic. And yet when it comes to the people Frum first needs to persuade — the mainstream of the conservative movement — he engages in precisely the same style of ‘debate’ through invective

Frum of course got the Strange New Respect he’s been angling for recently, as the very partisan liberal Newsweek asked him to submit a 4 page essay on why conservatives suck. They didn’t even mind that one-quarter of it was merely a complete cut-and-paste from a blog-post he wrote. A blog post, of course, that called Limbaugh, for no particularly good reason, a fat divorced drug-addicted fatso fat-ass.

And yet he sits there playing victim, scratching his head at all these terrible besmirchments of his character, wondering why it is we just can’t sit here like sensible adults and hash these issues out in a dispassionate manner.”

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I would be a whole lot happier if pundits like Frum spent their energies identifying the flaws of the Obama administration and the two dimwits leading the Dems in Congress. Throw in a few of the “leading lights” of the Dems for good measure when it comes to finding fault, Mr. Frum. You would have plenty of material there if you are looking for inspiration, and you would be doing conservatives, as well as the Republicans, as big favor by doing so.

onlineanalyst on March 9, 2009 at 12:33 AM

I could not agree more. That is the whole point. If he doesn’t like what Rush is saying, then he should just ignore Rush and do his part looking at the major threats that this nation faces from the morons, thieves, and lunatics on the left – not least the incredibly dangerous, and astoundingly stupid and inept, marxist in the White House. Hopefully, he would do a better job of taking them apart than he did with this pathetically weak attempt against Rush … But, if not, nothing lost.

progressoverpeace on March 9, 2009 at 12:39 AM

They did and kicked our ass the last two cycles.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM

I’ll grant you that.

But we cannot have other being off message. It that lack of unity that causes elections to be lost. Among other things.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Granted that if people will vote for blue dog dems, then it shouldn’t be that much more of a stretch to into the conservative arena. That’s what we could be doing better.

Michael Steele needs to start crafting that message. Toot Sweet.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:34 AM

Kini, we are more on the same page than not, though I choose not to demonize Republicans that are more moderate than my personal views if they fit their districts view. The only hardlines I take are on fiscal and national security issues.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Frum = Ass-fucking hole. What a pussy.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM

I bet he’s reading this and smiling because people “care” about him.

clnurnberg on March 9, 2009 at 12:47 AM

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 12:46 AM

Great.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM

The only hardlines I take are on fiscal and national security issues.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Agreed!

onlineanalyst said it best. Frum should focus on the dems, Obama and his administration rather than on our side.

Because this is a waste of energy on our part debating like minded ideas.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Great.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM

You’re welcome.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 12:51 AM

More of this crap? What the hell.

I’m sick of this deliberate provokation of Conservatives.

I’m starting to think this blog is a sleeper cell site.

I bet there isn’t a tiny bit of sarcasm in this post.

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 12:52 AM

I have to ask.

Why are we arguing about the 10-20% of issues we disagree about and not pushing hard on the 80-90% of the issues we all passionately we agree on?!?

I agree with Frum 80% of the time and Rush 80% of the time. We need to be arguing with Democrats NOT ourselves if we want to retake Congress. I would then say we we need to uphold the basis of conservative philosophy to the letter to maintain it.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Frum is fiscally conservative less socially conservative.

Fiscal Conservatism is what the country needs most right now. Get agreement from the Fiscal conservatives on social issues but let them take the lead and we can get the country back on terra firma.

Social issues are of course important but one can still be a Christian even in a pretty corrupt society. But it is impossible to live comfortably with a decent standard of living in a Socialist country. And Socialist countries typically lose their faith in God.

Rush is right politically but he rubs me the wrong way. I still listen now and then because I wouldn’t have made it through the early Clinton years without him… But I get offended frequently by Rush’s vulgarity.

petunia on March 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Hey Madison,

Frum can’t handle conservatives that make him uncomfortable. He couldn’t handle the so-called paleo-conservatives (who actually, if you’d take a moment to notice, constitute the roots of conservatism), he and his pussy friends and National Review couldn’t handle Ann Coulter’s reaction to 9/11, and now he can’t handle Rush Limbaugh.

Fuck David Frum. He’s done nothing but ruin conservatism his whole professional career.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Why are we arguing about the 10-20% of issues we disagree about and not pushing hard on the 80-90% of the issues we all passionately we agree on?!?

goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:54 AM

BURN THE HERETIC

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM

He’s after more than Limbaugh.He tried to get his kid on Levin’s show. It was a win-win for Frum if the kid got on: either he could say “my kid beat Levin in an argument” or “Levin picked on my poor wittle kiddie-whippet”

Levin is too much of an adult to argue with a child on the air. So Frum started the “Levin was afraid of my child” nonsense.

It’s all about attention. Maybe his wife’s posts on HuffPo make him feel insecure or maybe ge’s bucking for a gig there too.

clnurnberg on March 9, 2009 at 12:57 AM

He couldn’t handle the so-called paleo-conservatives (who actually, if you’d take a moment to notice, constitute the roots of conservatism)…

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Like Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul?

I can’t handle them either. What’s your point?

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Agreed!

onlineanalyst said it best. Frum should focus on the dems, Obama and his administration rather than on our side.

Because this is a waste of energy on our part debating like minded ideas.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM

Many other conservative pundits have way bigger audiences than Frum, so he chooses adulation from the libs as a way to get attention. Getting attention is not a waste of energy for Frum. Nobody really talked about him before he turned in a conservative Benedict Arnold of sorts.

clnurnberg on March 9, 2009 at 12:59 AM

petunia on March 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM

I agree and well said.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:59 AM

BURN THE HERETIC

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM

What the hell are you talking about? I want Obama to be a failed one termer and for the GOP to regain majorities.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Are you serious?

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM

goat on March 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM

‘Twas a folly.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:03 AM

The new profanity that has been popping up here lately is not the best reflection on the usual comments. I always liked that we keep it cleaner than Huffington Post and The Orange Sewer.

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:04 AM

Yes, the leader of the values party should be in prison, really, if standards that are applied to a random pot smoker were applied to him.

You’re conveniently forgetting that the D.A. of Palm Beach County did go after Rush on drug charges, conducted a 2-year polically-motivated investigation of him and didn’t succeed in prosecuting him.

And once again, this isn’t about insulting Rush for the sake of insulting. This whole discussion is about the image of the Republican party, which is (let’s say, unfortunately) an integral part of the equation if we talk about electability.

Electability isn’t the problem right now; it’s stopping Obama in his Socialist tracks from destroying this country.

I personally, don’t want his face to appear on the TV screen each time a conservative message is aired. There’s a lot of people like me.

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 12:31 AM

So turn off the T.V.
There’s a lot of people like us, too, who like to see and hear him and in the case of the state of our great republic right now, need to hear him.
The times are perilous: the times demand a strong voice leading the country in the right direction and it isn’t the president’s!
Rush stepped in to fill the vacuum.

Jenfidel on March 9, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Madison,

You’re clearly troubled by my filthy language. This is typical. You should rather be concerned that America is being hijacked by rootless fakes.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Frum is fiscally conservative less socially conservative.

Nobody who can call themselves a fiscal conservative would have ever supported Obama. He is a litmus test for conservative values, because he was the most liberal candidate this country had ever seen. Anyone with half a brain could see he is a tax and spend liberal. Those who supported him bought into the hype and voted for a fad.

Frum, Noonan, Parker, Will, Brooks and Buckley are not conservatives. Not if they were duped so easily by Obama.

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:08 AM

It’s always kind of been house rules here, but I have only been here since last summer (as a lurker) and cannot speak for the moderators.

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:10 AM

Jenfidel on March 9, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Well said.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Is it any wonder that a strong Conservative like Rush has become the leading voice for the Right….
Jenfidel on March 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM

The last poll I saw on Rush showed he commanded a whopping 11% of the registered Republicans. He might speak for you, but you’re the minority.

popularpeoplesfront on March 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM

You’re clearly troubled by my filthy language. This is typical. You should rather be concerned that America is being hijacked by rootless fakes.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:08 AM

Harsh language in a reasoned response is one thing. Harsh language purely as response is, what’s the word, dumb.

By the same token…

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:02 AM

…this demonstrates nothing. Are you a Paul and Buchanan fan?

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM

But I get offended frequently by Rush’s vulgarity.

petunia on March 9, 2009 at 12:56 AM

Are you offend by his use of FemmeNazi?

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 1:12 AM

I have to ask.

Why are we arguing about the 10-20% of issues we disagree about and not pushing hard on the 80-90% of the issues we all passionately we agree on?!?

A serious answer would be that there isn’t such 90% of issues that all conservatives agree on. Here in Boston I listen to the right wing talk radio, and they are as blunt as it gets. The evening guy, Jay Severin, call Obama fascist, racist pretty much every day. Yet he’s pro-gay as far as I could tell. Out of their whole line-up, I suspect one guy would openly say that he’s anti-gay marriage.

On the other hand, you have a state like Kentucky, which is supposedly red. You might (or might not) be surprised to learn the party affiliation of their Governor (Democrat), or the composition of their House of Representatives (65% Democrat). Their Senate is Republican though.

Are you going to tell me the Kentucky elects Democrats because they like gay marriage or legalization of pot? No. They like “infrastructure”, and “education” and farm subsidies etc. Those are the same people who become “teh Heartland” and “teh Real America” every 4 years, and they vote for a Republican Presidential Candidate.

What it means to be a Republican or a Democrat varies quite a bit depending on what part of the country you look at. And there’s somewhat of a war for the dominance going on inside the party. Until a credible leader emerges who will make all conflicting groups to stand behind him, the fight will continue. Perhaps, it’s ultimately healthy. Free competition of ideas and all.

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Frum, Noonan, Parker, Will, Brooks and Buckley are not conservatives. Not if they were duped so easily by Obama.

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM

Correct. Does anybody else think Frum looks kinda like Octomom?

funky chicken on March 9, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Nobody really talked about him before he turned in a conservative Benedict Arnold of sorts.

clnurnberg on March 9, 2009 at 12:59 AM

Agreed, he is a liberal calling himself a conservative.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM

I screamed that for the last couple years and now I get to say “I told you so” though it doesn’t give me consolation.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM

Correct. Does anybody else think Frum looks kinda like Octomom?

funky chicken on March 9, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Nightmares for the next week. Thanks so much.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:15 AM

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:10 AM

It used to be pretty clean, but has been slipping a bit lately. Our friend apparently doesn’t care that many posters don’t voice a criticism of his type of language. They just leave and join other sites which aren’t offensive. Natural selection.

a capella on March 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Are you going to tell me the Kentucky elects Democrats because they like gay marriage or legalization of pot? No. They like “infrastructure”, and “education” and farm subsidies etc. Those are the same people who become “teh Heartland” and “teh Real America” every 4 years, and they vote for a Republican Presidential Candidate.

I kinda think the whole ice storm thing may change that a bit next time around. Their democrat governor sure didn’t get much help from that democrat president, huh?

Most conservatives agree on small government and strong national defense. Gay marriage? Abortion? The best answer on those questions is to fall back on federalism–individual states’ citizens should get to vote on those issues instead of having national mandates forced upon them.

It’s the small government solution, and it’s the right thing to do, and after Obama’s authoritarianism, it should be a winner.

funky chicken on March 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM

There’s a lot of people like us, too, who like to see and hear him and in the case of the state of our great republic right now, need to hear him.
The times are perilous: the times demand a strong voice leading the country in the right direction and it isn’t the president’s!
Rush stepped in to fill the vacuum.

Jenfidel on March 9, 2009 at 1:05 AM

No one is saying not to listen to him, I listen to him. I don’t want him to be the focus instead of the disaster that is now POTUS.

Frum, Noonan, Parker, Will, Brooks and Buckley are not conservatives. Not if they were duped so easily by Obama.

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM

Maybe not conservatives but generally more right leaning than the MSM. If they somehow find themselves disenchanted with the One, they make the case better than most because they bought into the same hype voters did. We need to pick off some of those other easily duped into voting for Obama because they are just starting to realize they made a mistake. The more time that passes the more they will see it too.

It’s pointless to discuss whether we want Obama or the policies to fail or both. Obama and his policies will surely fail.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 1:17 AM

The best thing Limbaugh could do is ignore Frum completely. He might “up the ante” for a while and write a few more bashy epistles for the libs, but if Rush (and most conservative outlets) ignore him he will lose value for them and his prattle will be over

clnurnberg on March 9, 2009 at 1:18 AM

Electability isn’t the problem right now; it’s stopping Obama in his Socialist tracks from destroying this country.

I wrote on this in other threads, but let me repeat. I’m all with you on stopping Obama. I think (for example) that what McCain does in his twitter highlighting all the bs that’s in the “recovery” bill is a step in the right direction. I’m amazed that the Republicans in Congress can’t get together and come up with a coherent strategy of articulating this. Like, I don’t know… every time you’re on TV, you must bring up two or three most ridiculous pork projects in the bill. why this isn’t happening is beyond me.

I think Rush and Frum are on the same page when it comes to current Obama’s proposals. It’s the more distant future that’s at stake here.

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 1:18 AM

chunderroad on March 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM

They are Obama’s useful idiots, and deserve to be treated as such.

Point and laugh.

funky chicken on March 9, 2009 at 1:19 AM

We should probably not even use his name , just call him “the F word” (no not the profane one, just an initial)

clnurnberg on March 9, 2009 at 1:19 AM

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 1:13 AM

That is why I said we need to recruit candidates that fit their districts and may not fit the pure conservative ideology, whatever that is, it seems to vary a lot.

goat on March 9, 2009 at 1:20 AM

OctoFrum and the Airheads!

funky chicken on March 9, 2009 at 1:21 AM

this demonstrates nothing. Are you a Paul and Buchanan fan?

What, is this sports?

I read and listen to Buchanan and Paul. More often than not I agree with both of them but, alas, there are times when I don’t.

But what you fail to understand is that Buchanan and Ron Paul that both stand upon traditional conservative ground laid out by the likes of Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, John Adams, Irving Babbitt, Russell Kirk, and Ronald Reagan. And Rush Limbaugh, for all his flaws, has done a hell of a job generalizing (ableit with glaring contradictions here and there) deep conservative truths for the mass of Americans who listen to him.

Frum, on the other hand, is an offended effete at best, and one who comes from an ideology founded by Marxists who were too chicken to be consistent. Shame on Frum. He is no conservative.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:23 AM

You’re clearly troubled by my filthy language. This is typical. You should rather be concerned that America is being hijacked by rootless fakes.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:08 AM

One of the things that make us who we are is language.
Whether you speak in angelic terms like a Huckabee, or spell it out like Ace, then just watch out when Allah lowers the Hammer of Banishment.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 1:24 AM

The last poll I saw on Rush showed he commanded a whopping 11% of the registered Republicans. He might speak for you, but you’re the minority.

popularpeoplesfront on March 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM

That poll said that only 11% of Republican voters say Rush is the leader of the GOP.
This is not equivalent of saying that he “speaks/doesn’t speak for them.”
Rush is the leading voice in the Conservative fight against Obama’s Socialist policies and programs; that a good deal of the people who agree with him and who support what he says happen to be Republican is neither here nor there.
The state of our country isn’t a Republican or Democrat problem anymore, but one that should concern citizens of either party as to the amount of damage Obama is proposing to do our nation’s present and future.

Jenfidel on March 9, 2009 at 1:24 AM

OctoFrum and the Airheads!

funky chicken on March 9, 2009 at 1:21 AM

You’re gonna keep that nightmare alive… ain’t you!

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 1:25 AM

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:23 AM

Frum is a moderate conservative.

Buchanan is an anti-semitic isolationist Hamas sympathizer with a disturbing combination of admiration of Hitler and hatred of Churchill.

Paul is an anti-Israel isolationist with a good deal of troubling connections to secessionist organizations and people like Lew Rockwell.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:27 AM

That is why I said we need to recruit candidates that fit their districts and may not fit the pure conservative ideology, whatever that is, it seems to vary a lot.

I’m with you. But remember that here on HotAir, the cradle of conservatism and all, the dominant thinking is that Senators from Texas must try to undermine Republican incumbents from Pennsylvania.

When Massachusetts politicians say to the rest of the country that we don’t really want to have second class citizenry, well, THAT is a travesty. How dare they?

Very selective federalism, don’t you think?

radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 1:28 AM

What many Frum apologists don’t understand is that Rush Limbaugh is a private citizen who has made good via the free market. Intellectuals and sycophants and leftists can’t handle this. They are embarrassed by it. It makes them uncomfortable when they attend cocktail parties. Rush Limbaugh, in other words, is like 99% of Americans, and that is just plain wrong.

If David Frum’s embarrassment over Rush isn’t a sign that the elites of America hate the average American, I don’t know what is.

It’s time to revisit Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and if we must have a modern — David Hackett Fisher, and prepare for another American revolution. We are hated by our rulers and there ought to be no compromise.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:32 AM

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Yeah, but aside from those little things….

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funky chicken on March 9, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Frum is a moderate conservative.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:27 AM

With hard left leanings albeit.

How can one be called a conservative by publicly attacking other conservatives, especially the ones we (I) like?

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Rush Limbaugh, in other words, is like 99% of Americans, and that is just plain wrong.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:32 AM

Yeah, that statement is completely wrong. 99% of Americans are nowhere near as affluent as Limbaugh, and I would venture to say that 80% of Americans are nowhere near as politically passionate as him. He’s no more comparable to the average American than Bill O’Reilly is, except a lot less hypocritical and populist.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:36 AM

I’m as conservative as they come – a Fredhead, no less, but I’d be sleeping a heck of a lot better at night if Rudy was President. At least I know he wouldn’t sell out America. And that’s what it’s all about – figuring out what is the most important thing and giving a little on the other important things. Unfortunately, what’s happening here is that AP delights in setting us upon each other. He promotes divisiveness gleefully and you guys fall for it every time. I don’t like McCain much, but came around quickly to support him against Obama because I knew what Obama was all about. If anyone is an “entertainer,” it is AP, not Rush. Rush does represent the principles of the Republican party and of the Founding Fathers, nicely elucidated by 14-year old Jonathan Krohn. Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh have kissed and made up. Let’s leave it there with appreciation and work toward unity.

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 1:37 AM

How can one be called a conservative by publicly attacking other conservatives, especially the ones we (I) like?

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 1:35 AM

Easy. Conservatism is a political ideology, as opposed to a party identity. The majority of Americans have the latter. The minority subscribe to the former, because it requires a good deal of passion. That passion will eventually lead to the regular analysis of what defines the ideology, and as a result, disputes within will arise.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Rush does represent the principles of the Republican party and of the Founding Fathers, nicely elucidated by 14-year old Jonathan Krohn. Michael Steele and Rush Limbaugh have kissed and made up. Let’s leave it there with appreciation and work toward unity.

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 1:37 AM

I saw little Jonathan on Fox today do a great job handling the Rush/Steele brouhaha. Maybe we can lower the age for POTUS before 2012. That kid knows the principles and communicates them exceptionally well.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 1:42 AM

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 1:42 AM

I think he’s great. So much so that I actually turned on Huckabee to see him last night. ;)

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 1:45 AM

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:36 AM

99% of Americans get up each day and go to work attempting to put in an honest day’s work without betraying their bosses, their spouses, and their country. Pretty much what Rush Limbaugh has been doing his whole life. What the fuck has David Frum done but leach off the tax base, kiss the ass of his political bosses, and now play house slave to Newsweek?

And what are you, some kind of class conscious commie who finds Rush’s wealth a thing to be played off against those who’ve earned less than he? And tell us, has there ever been a period in American history when the vast majority of citizens were politically consumed on the level of critics and commentators? No, there hasn’t. However, there have been periods in American history when elites like David Frum didn’t mock, look down upon, and try to screw at every opportunity, the citizens whom they were presumed to be looking out for.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:46 AM

Conservatism is a political ideology,

This is a staggeringly illiterate comment. You clearly have no grounding whatsoever in conservatism.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:47 AM

This is a staggeringly illiterate comment. You clearly have no grounding whatsoever in conservatism.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:47 AM

Right back at ya. Why don’t you inform this illiterate Goldwater-inspired federalist what conservatism is, then? Oh, and I’m not asking for a 5 paragraph essay. Tell me what conservatism is if it’s not an ideology that is used to define positions on political issues.

And what are you, some kind of class conscious commie…

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:46 AM

Yeah, that’s exactly what I am. In fact, excuse me. I have to go get on the IWW chat room and have an orgasm while fawning over Trotsky. Later, comrade.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:52 AM

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 1:47 AM

You’re kidding right? Conservatism is not a political party it is an ideology. Rush is a voice, a very powerful voice, for conservatism. We want conservatism to be the root of the party but we need a messenger who is going to communicate that to others. We have to bring them in, get them to hear the message and maybe then they listen to Rush. There is a reason Begala and Emanuel are trying to tie Conservatism to Rush in the minds of the masses. Think about it.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:00 AM

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 1:52 AM

Read Russell Kirk if you want an explanation regarding the non-ideological roots of conservatism. Warning: it’ll consist of more than five paragraphs.

In the meantime, you might as well hang out at IWW if you think Rush’s wealth, success, and political interests, make him irreconcilable to average Americans.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 2:02 AM

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:00 AM

I don’t listen to any talk radio, although I watched Rush eons ago when he was on late night TV. I just know that he is saying what I’m thinking and that’s a good thing.

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 2:06 AM

Frum is a moderate conservative.

He may be a moderate Republican.

He is no conservative, moderate or otherwise.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:08 AM

I’m still trying to figure out what the definition of “moderate Republican” is.

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 2:10 AM

And what are you, some kind of class conscious commie who finds Rush’s wealth a thing to be played off against those who’ve earned less than he? And tell us, has there ever been a period in American history when the vast majority of citizens were politically consumed on the level of critics and commentators? No, there hasn’t. However, there have been periods in American history when elites like David Frum didn’t mock, look down upon, and try to screw at every opportunity, the citizens whom they were presumed to be looking out for.

Sounds like you’re the commie. Or should I say populist? The elite vs Us paradigm (which both Rush and Frum are always harping on) is unhelpful to sy the least. Rush and Frum are both ot the left of me (and I have a Masters, gasp I’m an elite!)but as a Reaganite I believe the big tent can contain both, as long as we can get a little party discipline and save this whole Conservative vs Republican argument for another time.

You know, like when we don’t have a President marching us into third world status and giving our enemies the agree light to start WWIII.

There are a lot f people on the right, and Rush doesn’t speak for us all nor do “Conservatives” and other finger wagging god botherers who think Jesus has the time or inclination to to give a rat’s ass about whether or not I buy porn (SC GOP I’m looking at you) while there’s a world wide Jihad on, Narco-terror gangs take control of a country attached to us and the world is about to sink into a depression. So let’s get together on the basics and agree to respectfully disagree on the rest.

Rob Taylor on March 9, 2009 at 2:11 AM

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 2:02 AM

So you’re a traditionalist. That’s awesome. That’s one faction of conservatism, along with neoconservatism, paleoconservatism, and Christian conservatism.

…and your deduction is that if someone doesn’t subscribe to your faction, they are not a conservative. That’s swell. Why don’t you go hang out with the bunch that believes that non-Christians can’t possibly be conservatives? I’m sure you’ll get along swell.

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 2:12 AM

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 2:06 AM

I listen to him, he makes great points and he is entertaining. He is not a Jonathan though, Rush is too polarizing to be the face of conservatism. I actually think Jindal is doing a great job lately and he is just a tad older than Jonathan ;)

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:12 AM

I’m still trying to figure out what the definition of “moderate Republican” is.

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Good luck with that.

It’s kind of like lukewarm ice.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:13 AM

It’s kind of like lukewarm ice.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:13 AM

It like those plastic thingies that look like ice but have bug in it. Sorta like what a RINO is.

Also like Simi-Boneless Ham. Does it have a bone or not.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:19 AM

while there’s a world wide Jihad on, Narco-terror gangs take control of a country attached to us and the world is about to sink into a depression.

Rob Taylor on March 9, 2009 at 2:11 AM

Have a feeling I’d probably disagree with you on some finer points, but this is exactly it. THIS is what we need to agree on first and foremost and go from there.

So let’s get together on the basics and agree to respectfully disagree on the rest.

Exactly!

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 2:20 AM

I’m still trying to figure out what the definition of “moderate Republican conservative” is.

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 2:10 AM

Good luck with that.

It’s kind of like lukewarm ice.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:13 AM

I read the post too quickly.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:25 AM

I actually think Jindal is doing a great job lately and he is just a tad older than Jonathan ;)

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:12 AM

Remember the hordes of critics that bashed Jindal after the Obama Lie to the State of the Union Address? Even from our side….

Rush was the only one that came to his defense. That’s not polarizing, that’s someone (Rush) that heard the message Jindal was conveying. Yet, our side saw Ned Flanders and did a Homer Simpson on his delivery.

While this is going on, Rush was being the face of conservationism and the voice. I would rather have Rush defending me rather than having to give up my principals just to ….. reach out.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:29 AM

It like those plastic thingies that look like ice but have bug in it. Sorta like what a RINO is.

Also like Simi-Boneless Ham. Does it have a bone or not.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:19 AM

Good one. Semi-boneless would describe a lot of the limp-**** hand-wringing apologists bleating of late.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:30 AM

If we concede point after point to the left in order to win voters, and only put forward candidates acceptable to the left and to the MSM (REDUNDANCY ALERT), then what is the benefit to be gained from the win?

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:35 AM

While this is going on, Rush was being the face of conservationism and the voice. I would rather have Rush defending me rather than having to give up my principals just to ….. reach out.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:29 AM

I totally agree, I like Rush. I don’t think I am talking about giving up principles to reach out. I am talking about not letting Obama and crew decide who is or isn’t the face of the party. When Rush defended Jindal he said if you disagreed he didn’t want to hear from you. The message the media carried was not about Jindal it was about Rush. They use it to lampoon because it tunes people out. Don’t let the media and Begala etc use Rush to diminish us or our rising leaders.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:37 AM

A strong dose of Obama’s hard left medicine will surely awaken the recently slumbering comatose middle America. I only pray that the cure doesn’t kill the patient.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:40 AM

MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 2:12 AM

I’m on your side about the whole excessive orthodoxy, we can’t be suckers but we can’t keep on like the damn Chinese Communist Party either. But Frum’s got some real issues with conservatism. He’s fiscally a moderate conservative at best, and his real selling point is his foreign policy knowledge and good foreign policy doesn’t strike me as going either way really, as it doesn’t lend itself to a left-to-right spectrum. I don’t think he’s really a conservative, but I think he thinks he is and I think he thinks he’s doing what’s best for the party.

I agree also that it’s disturbing all the people who’ve responded to these criticisms with “He’s the goddamn devil! We should murder his children, give him a thousand paper cuts and make him bathe in lemon juice!” stuff cause, really, all he did was state his opinion on Rush. Bad forum to do so, probably, but it was what was available. Did he fail to recognize that he was doing exactly what he was criticizing Rush for? Sure did. He’s a person, and people with strong opinions tend to have some points where they miss inconsistencies. All this venom about him is the scary side of Rush cultism.

Screw Frum, screw Rush as far as I’m concerned, both have something to offer but both have seen to it that they’ve each become net costs on the movement. I like to draw my own conclusions and I don’t get people who don’t (which is why it blows my mind there are people so fanatically devoted to defending to some dude they listen to on the radio like you just called their newborn baby ugly).

galenrox on March 9, 2009 at 2:45 AM

I think some of the self-style “elites” might have some worthwhile ideas to contribute — again, even if these ideas are discarded as wrong, the process of figuring out why their wrong, and why another idea is right, is helpful.

– Ace

We don’t have to change our core principles in order to get votes. For far too long, Republicans abandon their principles.
Palin, Jindal and some 14 year old has been on message and we have conservative pretendabies knocking the message. This have got to stop. Debate ideas.
Tear down the liberal message that destroying the country.

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:45 AM

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 2:40 AM

It already is waking them up and we need to focus on that not on Rush. We can’t allow the media to destroy all our emerging leaders by making Rush the continued focus of the party. Obama is making this way easier than I thought he would. Instead of grabbing his disasters and running with it we are all arguing about Rush and Frum, it’s more wandering in the wilderness.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:46 AM

I’m still trying to figure out what the definition of “moderate Republican” is.
Connie on March 9, 2009 at 2:10 AM

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That would be a Democrat Lite, that is, a donkey hiding behind an elephant, braying like a jackass. In the wild they sound strikingly similar to Brooks and Frum.
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“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on March 9, 2009 at 2:46 AM

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:37 AM

Well Said!

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:50 AM

There are a lot f people on the right, and Rush doesn’t speak for us all nor do “Conservatives” and other finger wagging god botherers who think Jesus has the time or inclination to to give a rat’s ass about whether or not I buy porn (SC GOP I’m looking at you) while there’s a world wide Jihad on, Narco-terror gangs take control of a country attached to us and the world is about to sink into a depression. So let’s get together on the basics and agree to respectfully disagree on the rest.

Rob Taylor on March 9, 2009 at 2:11 AM

Not to nitpick, but Jesus cares about everything you do. For the most part, though, most things on that level ought to remain between you and Jesus, in my opinion.

Overall, I agree with your post. We have bigger issues of concern at the moment, and all this counter-productive, petty bickering and fighting for the steering wheel is going to result in the whole boat going over the falls if we’re not careful.

capitalist piglet on March 9, 2009 at 2:52 AM

If anyone who isn’t following Day By Bay might get a chuckle out if this Cartoon

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:57 AM

New federal smoking tax went into effect about two hours ago. $6.10 more a carton.

Jim and Jamie Moonbat just got a lesson in how dangerous a combination Democraps and tabacco can be.

Limerick on March 9, 2009 at 3:05 AM

How ’bout we KISS and keep it simple…less government — provide opportunities not handouts; lower taxes — let the wage earner keep his wages; a strong defense — walk softly but be ready to pound the stuffing out of someone; adequate regulations — to deal with the honesty challenged; expect responsible behavior and; our elected leaders practicing what they ‘preach’…

Gohawgs on March 9, 2009 at 3:09 AM

In the meantime, you might as well hang out at IWW if you think Rush’s wealth, success, and political interests, make him irreconcilable to average Americans.

Drum on March 9, 2009 at 2:02 AM

It is precisely these things that make Rush American.

Liberals (aka Socialists aka Moderates) hate that about him. They hate that he failed and didn’t stay down. They hate that he got back up and succeeded. They hate him for his wealth.

But most of all, they hate him for his indomitable spirit.

He defeats their attempts to make other people’s poverty a virtue (a virtue to never be shared by the Peggy Noonans, Frums, Brooks, Michael Moores, Al Gores).

It Aristotle or Socrates who, tongue in cheek, said of poverty:

‘It is the a great thing to have for no one wants to take it from you, you don’t have to do anything to keep it safe, and it always grows with neglect.’

Montana on March 9, 2009 at 3:10 AM

I

t already is waking them up and we need to focus on that not on Rush. We can’t allow the media to destroy all our emerging leaders by making Rush the continued focus of the party. Obama is making this way easier than I thought he would. Instead of grabbing his disasters and running with it we are all arguing about Rush and Frum, it’s more wandering in the wilderness.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 2:46 AM

Absolutely.

I mentioned on another thread that Obama’s (therefore likely Emmanuel’s) objectives for zeroing in on Rush in the infancy of their administration are twofold. The first goal is “divide and conquer” and the second, in service to the first, is distraction.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 3:11 AM

Gads I need to proofread my posts!

Montana on March 9, 2009 at 3:11 AM

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 2:57 AM

LOL, great cartoon. Thanks for the much needed laugh.

I say we KISS as gohawgs said. Where would Regan take the party at this point, strong defense, lower taxes, small government. The government shouldn’t be forcing you to pay for your neighbors granite countertops etc.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 3:20 AM

‘It is the a great thing to have for no one wants to take it from you, you don’t have to do anything to keep it safe, and it always grows with neglect.’

Montana on March 9, 2009 at 3:10 AM

Best describes the Era of Obama, doesn’t it!

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 3:21 AM

DAVID FRUM = PRO-ABORT

Anyone that thinks, as Frum does, that the path to electoral success runs through MURDERING MORE BABIES through abortion is vile and must never be listened to.

Its a disqualifier for any decent intellectual/thoughtful/partiotic citizen.

TheMightyQuinn on March 9, 2009 at 3:25 AM

I mentioned on another thread that Obama’s (therefore likely Emmanuel’s) objectives for zeroing in on Rush in the infancy of their administration are twofold. The first goal is “divide and conquer” and the second, in service to the first, is distraction.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 3:11 AM

Precisely. So anyone on our side should take note.

Connie on March 9, 2009 at 3:27 AM

Instead of Why Rush Is The Devil all day every day, I would much rather see Why Obama Sucks Really Hard all day every day. Plenty of material there.

Obama is undermining the underpinnings of our great nation, and we, sadly, sit cheering a slapfight, and posts about posts about a slapfight, and posts about posts about posts…ad infinitum, it seems.

Enough, already. These are serious times that call for serious debate. And slapfights.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 3:29 AM

Anyone that thinks, as Frum does, that the path to electoral success runs through MURDERING MORE BABIES through abortion is vile and must never be listened to.

Its a disqualifier for any decent intellectual/thoughtful/partiotic citizen.

TheMightyQuinn on March 9, 2009 at 3:25 AM

Not so long ago, many Americans referred to slavery as a “that benign institution” because, well, you see, they didn’t believe blacks were quite “human”.

Strange, I think, that certain people look back at that and wonder how that could have been.

I wonder what people 150+ years from now will think of us.

I saw the cutest little girl today. She was with her mom and dad, sitting at a table across from mine. I was reading alone at mine (Atlas Shrugged for the fourth time).

For some reason I looked up and over at them. The parents were engaged in a discussion and the little girl (I’d guess 3 yrs old?) was grinning ear to ear and waving a little hand at me.

I am not a full-on-smile guy but my cheeks hurt after the smile I was helpless to prevent had passed.

Montana on March 9, 2009 at 3:32 AM

TheMightyQuinn on March 9, 2009 at 3:25 AM

I am completely pro-life and am not defending Frum. He is a side show and irrelevant. Most of the country whether they claim to be pro-life or pro-choice doesn’t like abortion on demand or the government usurping the role of the parent. Again, Obama is making this a much easier case to make by removing any and all barriers to abortion and putting the government against parents.

msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 3:32 AM

A blog post, of course, that called Limbaugh, for no particularly good reason, a fat divorced drug-addicted fatso fat-ass.

There is a particularly “good” reason that Frum used that language. Frum’s purpose is to make other rinos seem more acceptable by comparison. He was invented by the rinos just for this purpose.

Buddahpundit on March 9, 2009 at 3:35 AM

There is a particularly “good” reason that Frum used that language. Frum’s purpose is to make other rinos seem more acceptable by comparison. He was invented by the rinos just for this purpose.

Attention-seeking behavior–like that weird kid in the 1st grade who used to shit his pants every day.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2009 at 3:39 AM

I wonder what people 150+ years from now will think of us.

Montana on March 9, 2009 at 3:32 AM

We’re still paying off that Obama deficit.

What were people smoking back then?
Were they that Stupid?

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 3:41 AM

Buddahpundit on March 9, 2009 at 3:35 AM

Good reason to clean house, yeah?

Kini on March 9, 2009 at 3:44 AM

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