Quote of the day
posted at 9:30 pm on March 8, 2009 by Allahpundit
“Frum’s critique of Limbaugh is that he unnecessarily alienates those we need to persuade — the moderates and almost-conservatives — by engaging in gratuitous provocations which are more cathartic than forensic. And yet when it comes to the people Frum first needs to persuade — the mainstream of the conservative movement — he engages in precisely the same style of ‘debate’ through invective…
Frum of course got the Strange New Respect he’s been angling for recently, as the very partisan liberal Newsweek asked him to submit a 4 page essay on why conservatives suck. They didn’t even mind that one-quarter of it was merely a complete cut-and-paste from a blog-post he wrote. A blog post, of course, that called Limbaugh, for no particularly good reason, a fat divorced drug-addicted fatso fat-ass.
And yet he sits there playing victim, scratching his head at all these terrible besmirchments of his character, wondering why it is we just can’t sit here like sensible adults and hash these issues out in a dispassionate manner.”
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Allahpundit:
What part of Rush’s message do you disagree with?
Why are you trying to undermine it?
Either contribute to Conservative thought or STFU.
Troll
Ed Graef on March 8, 2009 at 10:47 PM
The issue as Rush and I and a lot of others see it right now isn’t about why we lost in the last election or the ideal of what the GOP should stand for, it’s fighting against the DemocRat juggernaut and Obama’s Socialist policies as they threaten to descend on our country.
Frum et. al. are merely providing a useless diversion to get us off of our mission to save our republic at a crucial time.
Frum has never had so much attention in his pathetic life for his small ideas!
We need to be at battle stations to prevent the passage of Obama’s budget and more ineffective, but expensive government bailouts of private enterprise that will imperil our economy and markets for decades to come.
Ignore Frum!
He’s a buzzing gnat on the body politic and whines just as much.
Jenfidel on March 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM
INC on March 8, 2009 at 9:42 PM
Wow! So Newsweek is going to commit themselves fully to publishing an (opinionated) gossip rag. I guess they feel the blog model should work for print subscriptions. I especially love this feature:
I mean, why would Newsweek want to actually inform or educate their readership? Apparently, they think their subscribers want to be ignorant (maybe it’s bliss?) but want to appear smart or knowledgeable. But that seems to conflict with their new target audience of
Either Newsweek wants these people they call affluent to be ignorant or they think they are ignorant already.
I would be insulted.
jusgottabeme on March 8, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Well put.
progressoverpeace on March 8, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Indeed. And ‘free country’ for you idiot Obama voters does not mean free handouts.
carbon_footprint on March 8, 2009 at 10:54 PM
This is basically exactly what Frum, etc. have been fighting against. Allahpundit included.
Allahpundit probably agrees with 95% of the stuff Rush thinks. What the controversy is about is the method in which that message is distributed. Simply because you agree with Rush, doesn’t mean that you have to support his methods. Many do, some do not. Those who do not are not automatically kicked out of the Conservative Club.
jimmy the notable on March 8, 2009 at 10:55 PM
Either accept the content from the writers of the site or GTFO.
Troll
MadisonConservative on March 8, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Seems like Allah is going after David Frum, not Rush. Am I missing something here? Ed Graef, are you a troll?
Mr. Joe on March 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM
I can’t express how disappointing it is to see so many people kicking aside an awesome article — a rant basically — by the most consistently popular conservatives in the blogosphere — Ace –simply because Frum’s name is mentioned. Its really disheartening.
To anyone who reads Hotair.com exclusively — all you newbies –, please please PLEASE start reading Ace as well. If you don’t know who he is, start TONIGHT, on THIS article, because it is genius.
jimmy the notable on March 8, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Th
I disagree with everything you’ve said.
AP is actively promoting Frum and his Casper Milquetoast view of Conservatism.
Jenfidel on March 8, 2009 at 11:00 PM
What Rush actually said was correct! David Frum is the one who is wrong.
Mr. Joe on March 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Riehl picked that up and put the pieces together.
Newsweek is finally admitting who they are.
I wonder if Frum is going to be part of the Bluffer’s Guide and tell people how to appear knowledgeable? The oxymoron of teaching readers to bluff while saying they’re reaching out to the best-educated is just laugh out loud funny.
INC on March 8, 2009 at 11:02 PM
In my opinion, Ace and AP have been doing exactly the same thing that Frum is doing, though to a lesser extent with this whole attack Rush crusade that they are on. Ace’s recent post and this one by AP give me hope that their crusade is, or will soon be, over. Not a moment too soon. Look: what Rush said is stupid; but serving the MSM and liberals by calling him out over it is nearly as stupid. Better to do what Obama did with Holder, e.g.: “hat’s not how I would have phrased it, but the principle is accurate because …”.
besser tot als rot on March 8, 2009 at 11:06 PM
Hey folks this is all just a distraction cooked up by Emannuel and his Obamedia talking heads. The want to distract us from the damage the Democrat’s policies are doing to not just our but the global economy. We need to focus on the Obama-Pelosi-Reid trifecta and not on Rush, Frum and Steele and intra-party bickering.
We need to find candidates that fit their districts and can win even if they may be more moderate than we would like on some issues. The thing is the majority gets to set the legislative rules and control the committees and right now that is Pelosi and Reid.
We need to get over these internecine struggles over ideological purity now or bow down to our new socialist democrat rulers with open wallets. Argueing amongst ourselves does us or the country any good when we should doing what the Dems have been doing by getting out into our communities and organizing them by explaining why our policies are better for them. Explain why lower taxes drives job creation, why global warming is bunk science, why wefare is bad, etc.
Fighting amongst ourselves over whether the Frum wing or the Limbaugh wing is right and ideologically pure is stupid since we need both wings to fly. Both have good points and bad but that is beside the point that all the Democrats proposals are bad for the country we all profess to love.
goat on March 8, 2009 at 11:07 PM
I’m not AP, but I’d like to throw in my two cents.
I’d like to see Limbaugh be more like William F. Buckley Jr. and less like a dick.
toliver on March 8, 2009 at 11:07 PM
+1
I would say they’re a new class of liberal fluffers.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Logic 101:
1. Every night on HA there’s at least one QoD (somtimes there are 2, or 3, and seldom 4)
2. Why do you think they’re called QoD? Please answer this.
3. If you can’t answer this, please go away because you embarrass yourself.
Entelechy on March 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM
We are all trolls now.
Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 11:09 PM
When you are a guest in someone else house you should never pee on their furniture. Even I know that. You must be a dog.
FeralCat on March 8, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Rush is standing athwart history and yelling “Stop!”
Buckley, one would hope, would laud him.
Sometimes, Buckley was perceived as being a “d!ck,” too, especially by the Left.
Jenfidel on March 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I partially agree. Rush hasn’t been a dick, but he has a touch of media lust, the kind that Ann Coulter is positively addicted to. He enjoys these sorts of situations because all they do is give him more exposure and more listeners.
Buckley never dealt with that, despite having a popular national periodical and a television show for many years. How many headlines were there of Buckley saying something that most of the populace found off-putting? He was always too erudite to let his words create trouble for the movement he was helping lead.
MadisonConservative on March 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM
I trolled the blog.
MadisonConservative on March 8, 2009 at 11:11 PM
Ed, the post here is a quote from another source, see the link provided in the body of the text.
AP isn’t attacking Rush, he is just posting someone’s thoughts on Frum (thoughts that resonate here).
His QOTD (Quote of the Day) is often misunderstood for his positions–and many are, but he never openly states when they are or aren’t his positions. That style is, coincidentally, the origin of why he uses stealth attacks on the likes of Palin/Thompson/Rush –types of people who openly take a position. Types who’s feet go intentionally into the fire.
It’s a passive-aggressive style practiced most often on committees and “teams”.
Please deposit the 5 cents for Lucy’s Psychology booth.
Montana on March 8, 2009 at 11:12 PM
I agree with Rush, I hope Obama Fails. No apology necessary.
JimK on March 8, 2009 at 11:12 PM
What will it take for some of you to realize that the QoD is not written by Allahpundit, nor by Ed, nor by MM.
Click on the friggen link (yes that blue thing somewhere in the text) and see who really wrote it.
p.s see those quote symbols at the beginning and the end? Why do you think they’re there, every gosh darned night?
Entelechy on March 8, 2009 at 11:12 PM
We are all dicks now.
Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 11:13 PM
We are all diicks now.
Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 11:13 PM
Thought you might be one; they like Minnesota…I kid, I kid :)
Entelechy on March 8, 2009 at 11:14 PM
I think Mr. Graef didn’t either read and comprehend the article, nor does he follow the past threads on this subject.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:15 PM
I thought that was dust on my monitor :)
progressoverpeace on March 8, 2009 at 11:16 PM
What the controversy is about is the method in which that message is distributed.
Total garbage. What this “controversy” is about is 2 things:
1. A diversion for Obama from his total ineptitude.
2. Socially liberal Republican’s piggybacking on it to try to win points in an argument with Social cons because they can’t get point one arguing those issues.
This just goes along with the legalize pot, pro gay marriage, anti-Intelligent Design bs.
Nobody is asking you to give up those things Libertarians, just don’t expect the Social cons to just roll over and play dead because they don’t buy your argument about the failings in the last 2 elections. You can hardly blame them when those were complete non issues in those elections.
Rocks on March 8, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Please Y’all its not about whether Rush or Frum are right its about the Democrats being wrong and that we need to be beating them not ourselves.
goat on March 8, 2009 at 11:17 PM
2006: 51% democrats responded “Yes” to wanting Bush to fail. Goes unnoticed.
2009: One man says he wants Obama to fail. Causes firestorm.
Someone’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.
http://patterico.com/2009/03/08/democrats-have-no-right-to-be-snooty-about-rush-not-wanting-the-president-to-succeed/
PrincipledPilgrim on March 8, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Aloha Kini!
No 5 cents Montana. AP is aggressive-aggressive and doesn’t fiddle with the “passive”. However, he’s also a sweetheart, his protestations to the contrary, aside.
Entelechy on March 8, 2009 at 11:18 PM
But consider that Rush isn’t trying to be another Buckley, he is just doing what he does–not what Buckley does. And don’t confuse media attention on Rush as something born from his master plan.
And I am not sure of Buckley’s daily audience, but at 20 million and growing, Rush’s tactics are successful. And remember, Rush is an entertainer and a radio pundit. Buckley was more a pure pundit.
Seems to me Rush is just capitalizing on Obama’s insecurity and the resulting Media/White House coordinated attack.
Obama needed a Strawman to attack. G W Bush wouldn’t do. As expected by all non-deranged Americans, Bush left the White House with professionalism and dignity, assisting the Obama administration quietly and efficiently (as opposed to the Clintons who looted the place and piled the loot into their 1930′s jalopy then headed for “them thar hills”.
Liberalism needed a new object for their daily 2 minute hate. Rush will do for now. But expect them to shift targets soon.
Montana on March 8, 2009 at 11:18 PM
AllahP may come from hell
Or maybe just from somewhere around the dell?
But he will be here and he will be there
You could see him most anytime and most anywhere
He meddles with your Circle Revolution
Popping in and out throughout each day of each week
Spoiling every mob elocution
La, what cheek!
PercyB on March 8, 2009 at 11:19 PM
AP,
Why? What’s the difference? Just curious.
PrincipledPilgrim on March 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM
Yeah, he is and Frum’s thoughts don’t resonate with me.
America does not have time for this infighting!
The DemocRats/Liberals/Left control the White House, House and Senate:
who can oppose them as they pass the most disastrous bills and programs in America’s history?
If Rush can lead the opposition at this critical moment of time, I’m getting behind him.
We can fight later about the Conservative/Republican platform and who should represent us.
Jenfidel on March 8, 2009 at 11:21 PM
To a point I agree, but from within our party, we need to rid ourselves of the so called “we need to reach out to others” types.
Liberals don’t reach out. If you do not tow the liberal line, then the liberal pummeling of your character is worse than Hitler. Just ask Juan Williams of NPR.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Which is the point if someone is going to do radio broadcasts or write books. There isn’t a rule that conservatives must be nice and PC and languish on PBS somewhere.
ddrintn on March 8, 2009 at 11:22 PM
goat on March 8, 2009 at 11:07 PM
goat on March 8, 2009 at 11:17 PM
+1000
Let’s beat the Dems instead of each other. We are in this boat for many reasons, some self inflicted unfortunately. Obama is overwhelmed and screwing up royally. He is shining a light and organizing a path out of the wilderness. Rush and Frum are side shows to distract us from the light. Jeez listen Poltergeist advice and run for the light already.
msmveritas on March 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM
^ Which isn’t a slam on WFB. He would be as “reviled” as Rush is now by the MSM if he had given 3-hour radio broadcasts 5 days a week. He was pretty well “reviled” in many quarters as it was.
ddrintn on March 8, 2009 at 11:24 PM
WFB said this:
I would like to electrocute everyone who uses the word “fair” in connection with income tax policies.
Now we all know how much Obama goes on about making the tax code “fair” by raising taxes. Especially Capitol Gains even after it’s pointed about to him that raising them actually LOWERS tax receipts.
Still think WFB would have had a problem with what Rush said?
Rocks on March 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM
Jesus rising from the grave and making gummi bears rain from the sky would not have the sufficient credibility to make them realize this.
MadisonConservative on March 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Count me in too because I know what his ‘success’ would mean. I don’t listen to Rush, nor do I need him to translate for me.
Also, how many will go vote in 2010, or -12 and say in that booth “let’s see, what the heck did Rush say in Feb. 2009?”.
I’d like to talk about this. I can’t get my brain off of it
This has me worried silly over this administration’s cretinism.
Entelechy on March 8, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Behold the immense power of major liberal media outlets, automatically (undeservedly) legitimate, pervasive, influential and corrupting.
If Frum were a conservative, he can kiss off an article in Newsweek.
For conservatives Frum is beyond wrong, he’s the traitor Cicero wrote of thousands of years ago, a murderer is less to fear.
The disingenuous Frum is an example of how liberalism promotes and rewards the destruction of integrity.
Honesty stands no chance in the face of bought off morality, especially as a known quantity.
How does Rush combat the overwhelming power of liberal media?
He’s right a higher percentage of the time, he resonates and he makes the status quo uncomfortable enough it reaches a bigger audience despite a corrupt, stifling, liberal media.
Feel the slightest bit of remorse associated with tweaking (in every way possible) liberals guilty of destruction of our society and the very fabric of this nation?
Oh, hell no!
Speakup on March 8, 2009 at 11:27 PM
One thing I don’t get: What’s wrong with Rush wanting more listeners? If he really believes this country is in horribly dire straits, he should want every person possible to start believing what he is saying. If he has to be a little bit blunt and a little bit dangerous to do that, then so be it.
jimmy the notable on March 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM
Oh our darling boy is indeed passive-aggressive. By his finger-nails, by his coat-sleeve, by his boots, by his
trouser-knees, by the callosities of his forefinger and thumb, by his expression and by his shirt-cuff. Elementary. Trust me.
semloh on March 8, 2009 at 11:29 PM
MadisonConservative on March 8, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Aloha Entelechy,
Notice how he want to reach out to our enemies and disses our allies? This is indeed disturbing.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:31 PM
I really liked the entire article over at Ace’s site. I truly don’t believe that Allah is attacking Rush here, but he is doing what he does very well – igniting debate, getting people to think and be passionate about their opinion. I love Rush, but he is what he is. To my mind, Frum is the pot calling the kettle black.
I agree with Jenfidel this firestorm about Rush just diverts from the real issues at hand. I bet Obambi is laughing over his after dinner cigarettes about how us poor saps have our panties in a wad over this we are missing the other million things he is doing to destroy our country. Let Rush or whoever lead for now, let just start to push back.
catlady on March 8, 2009 at 11:32 PM
As free market capitalist, we are self correcting.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM
people like Frum are actually hurting GOP, they are playing the role of useful idiot of the MSM/left, willingly or not.
jp on March 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Frum is just another dumb RINO. Ignore him because he doesn’t matter.
Livefreeordie on March 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Jesus rising from the grave and making gummi bears rain from the sky would not have the sufficient credibility to make them realize this.
MadisonConservative on March 8, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Ok, you made me snort my Diet Mt. Dew up my nose!
catlady on March 8, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Instead of actually doing real commentary about glowing important issues of the day…the economy; a fractured foreign policy; the failure of the Obama Administration regarding the economy; the Administration being clueless about what is happening past the twelve-mile limit; the developing fracturing of Pelosi’s House and Reid’s Senate; the GOP committing Sepuku; looking at root causes, hence looking for real answers, to the myriad problems before us…these pundits earn their pay attacking other pundits, misquoting other pundits, responding to those misquotes, and further obscuring what was initially said and by whom…
For the Record…please read
Nowhere in what Rush originally said is there a hint of wanting America to fail…not one word…not even a faint nuance.
But, to read the screeds and the MSM and any number of opinion pieces all across America, one would believe (not having heard Rush the first time, or having bothered to read the complete transcript) that Rush has somehow wished that all the fallen angels of hell would come and carry away America.
I want Obama to fail….miserably and visibly…all across the board.
Why?
Name one program or policy, that is actually delineated in the Constitution, of his own that actually will do good over the long haul for all of America?
Parse that carefully.
We didn’t lose in November because Obama was that good…we lost because we were not good enough. We tried to sell a product most of us did not believe in. Our potential customers saw right through us.
Now, when are we going to stop this childish who shot John stuff and start developing, building and marketing a product we believe in in such a way as all of America, well, most of America, can believe us when we try to sell it, and believe in the product we sell?
Not a hell of a lot of time before 2010 kicks off…not a lot of time before 2012 will be upon us as well.
coldwarrior on March 8, 2009 at 11:36 PM
I disagree, we need to reach out to others that may not be as ideologically pure as conservatives may want on certain issues if we want to grow the party and regain a majority. I really could care less how the liberals operate other than to learn from their successes in recruiting candidates to run in conservative districts and win, they didn’t care about ideological purity they cared about winning the majority.
goat on March 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM
As free market capitalist, we are self correcting.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Still trying to wipe up the Diet Mt. Dew. I am missing this point here – sorry I am so slow tonight can you explain?
catlady on March 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM
The explanation is elementary and it is not the Obama administration’s growing reputation for cretinism in this particular case. It can be found by answering the question, “Which country had the most influence on America’s development?”. Why Great Britain, of course. This Obama clearly believes in “The sins of the father”.
semloh on March 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM
I would encourage everyone to write to Newsweek and blast them for wasting ink on the Rush/Frum story. We are watching our savings fade away with each Dow Jones trading day and these clowns feature Rush Limbaugh?! Please don’t write an complain about the bias. They don’t care and will dismiss your letter. I would also encourage everyone to write to the Newsweek advertisers telling them that with all the economic troubles we are experiecing, Newsweek is wasting time on distrations like the Frum/Rush dust up. Thanks.
Chekote on March 8, 2009 at 11:43 PM
The messengers are already there, but are attacked by people like Frum, Noonan, and others like them. Even the Fox All Stars with their criticism of Jindals message to Obama’s state of the union speech. These self anointed elites like Frum need to be asked to leave the conservative movement and take up new diggs with …. Libertarians.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPiCKVfZLQ&feature=related
RealDemocrat on March 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Really. By promising what cannot be delivered?
That’s what Obama did. The old Chicken in every pot, universal health care, and my personal favorite, don’t worry about paying your mortgage.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Oh I see, that makes sense. I didn’t think of it that way (people now defining Rush as the new Buckley). But it makes sense.
We do need an “official” GOP spokesperson, but Michael Steele and the GOP itself is too busy tripping over the coat tails of today’s PC pundits to provide one.
Montana on March 8, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Eeeeww…I don’t think Libertarians are interested in “big-government liberalish conservatism that can WIN!!!!!”
ddrintn on March 8, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:43 PM
I have a very strong libertarian streak in wanting the government to butt out of our lives while voting a strong conservative line on ballot issues. Do you want to kick me out too?
goat on March 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM
It’s much deeper than that. The idiot messiah is driven by the need for revenge (social and economic “justice”). This is what animates his life and what drives his policies. He wants nothing but to exact revenge on whites (non-blacks, more generally), the rich, and Western civilization. He hates everything associated with the West – not just the US and Britain.
Once you understand this, all of the Precedent’s actions and policies become transparent in their goals. He has aligned himself with the guilt-ridden, self-hating left and they’re off to the races, to destroy the culture and civilization that is us. In addition to that, the Precedent is as dumb as a small pebble and couldn’t think his way out of a paper bag – ergo, he adopted marxist ideology for his “intellectual” underpinning.
progressoverpeace on March 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM
These self-anointed elites need to admit they are Democrats through and through.
coldwarrior on March 8, 2009 at 11:50 PM
Good Lord,the Grand Illusion is still going on,if
the Lefty’s couldn’t get the infighting going amongst
all Republicans,somehow they managed to bring it to
the rightsphere blogs!
Remember,Obama has the prior Clinton War Room Goons,
which means,leaks happen on Fridays,and its operation
distraction,and general all-around sh#t distrubing,
while Obama continues out his Liberal agenda for America.
Listening a bit to late talk radio,some guy said,Obama’s
best hope,would be to start a WAR,to get everyones minds
off the economy,
ya,that just might happen,however I think Obama’s a bit
busy,
community organizing his own WAR against the RIGHT,RUSH,
and ANYBODY ELSE who dares threaten mere ‘WORDS’ of a
possible ‘Failure’,of Obama’s,
policies
taxation
Reperations for Slavery,under the guise of about
5 Trillion dollar so-called Stimulus Bill.
And Btw,this Liberal Deception/Perception Operation,
isn’t PERSONAL,its POLITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on March 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Everday more Frum. enought already.He,s yesterdays news.Who cares what he or others like him say or think.He and the rest of the so called consev.sellouts made there views known long ago.Now let them just fade away to nothing.
thmcbb on March 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:46 PM
I think you misunderstand my point. Dr. Dean recruited candidates to run in conservative districts that fit those districts not the liberal ideology in order to gain a majority. Having the majority allows the party in charge to set the rules and control the committees. We will need some candidates in some districts that don’t fit the conservative ideals but can win their district if we want to regain the majority, ie the Blue Dog Dems.
goat on March 8, 2009 at 11:56 PM
In a radio interview with Mark Levin, Frum revealed the four things the GOP needs to do to “succeed”. All four were core to the Liberal mentality. One of them hinted at Universal Health Care. I won’t bother to relate the other three.
But Frum is no Libertarian. He is a big Government parasite.
Eventually he will realize he is a Liberal, then he’ll join their side and become anonymous within the herd. He knows this which is why he struggles so much now. The limelight is sweet but fleeting.
Montana on March 8, 2009 at 11:56 PM
First, the only bubbles I allow in my nose would be Champagne :)
Like the free market, capitalism will self correct, if left alone from government interference. For example, much of the economic problems were due to democrats usurping Manny May and Freddy Mac and the banking system into making bad loans. If regulators were allowed to halt that, there wouldn’t be the market downturn that we are seeing today.
So a correction need to be done. Good businesses need to be rewarded, and bad businesses need to fail. Bail outs won’t work. It just prolongs the problem and doesn’t solve the problem. GM for example.
So, conservationism will self correct once we rid ourselves of the Frum’s, Noonan’s, and others that fail to hear the message of a Palin or Jindal. Instead these idiots would rather tear down the messager thus hurting us and feeding the liberals.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Me thinks,instead of a ‘SURGE’,
I hope,it dosen’t get to a ‘PURGE’!
canopfor on March 8, 2009 at 11:58 PM
meanwhile, the nation is turning into Sweden
jp on March 9, 2009 at 12:01 AM
So,conservationism will self correct….
Kini om Mar 8,2009 at 11:58PM.
Kini:Your post makes sense to me,I recommend,for those
Conservatives,who have lost there way,
the,”Long March of Shame”!
canopfor on March 9, 2009 at 12:02 AM
crap,thats on,not om Mar..Ugh!
canopfor on March 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM
No. It’s the message coming from self appointed conservative frauds like Frum.
Agreed. The liberals did a very good job at doing that. We need to be on track with our message. People like Frum don’t do us any favors. They need to be admonished.
Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Wait, Let Me Correct That
We need conservatives with a message that fit conservative ideals. You’ll never fit into a San Francisco Castro district. So why even try.
Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:07 AM
People like Frum don’t do us any favors.They need to be admonished.
Kini on Mar 9,2009 at 12:03AM.
Kini:And the long walk of shame,and Purge,is only for the
Frums and Noonan types that are busy appeasing the
Liberals!
canopfor on March 9, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Good Rush/Limbaugh observation.
—————-
I am sure of Buckley’s audience, one of which was Ronald Reagan, who said many times that he credited Buckley with his conservative education.
I would rather see those that can be convinced be convinced rather than those same people be off-put by needless controversy. Rush preaches to the choir, but I fear pisses damn near everyone else off.
toliver on March 9, 2009 at 12:09 AM
The principles were there before Buckley and before Reagan. You don’t have to have a WFB reincarnate to jump start “conservatism” again. Limbaugh may preach to the choir, but that’s mainly because no one else will bother.
ddrintn on March 9, 2009 at 12:15 AM
^ That’s to say, Limbaugh isn’t ashamed of the choir.
ddrintn on March 9, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Hoping Obama fails (and I do) is not the same as hoping the country fails. If Obama’s plans succeed, they will destroy this country. He does NOT want to return this country to its former prosperity by strengthening our institutions. He wants to take advantage of a natural downturn in the economic cycle to fundamentally change the nature of the U.S. from a capitalist democratic republic to a one-party socialist state. You bet I hope Obama fails, because I love my country.
doppelganglander on March 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM
I listen to Rush and read Frum’s site among many others, my information stream is diverse and I filter it all through a conservative lens. I am also an average voter that knows what he hears from his peers and the liberal message right now is beating ours untill I talk to them a bit. We as conservatives need to take a page from the liberal playbook and get out into our communnities and talk to our peers with a clear concise message. They did and kicked our ass the last two cycles.
I have zero desire to alienate the Frum wing from our party but rather to work with them to build the party and convince them why conservative principles are the best way to go. I am not about kicking people out but about inviting them in and showing them why our way is the best.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM
If only Bairy would present his birth certificate….
BHO Jonestown on March 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM
Frum needs to shut the hell up and go away. And so should the other wanna be intellectual idiots. Nothing like adopting the arguements liberals use against conservatives, which are wrong 99% of the time…
therightwinger on March 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM
More of this crap? What the hell.
I’m sick of this deliberate provokation of Conservatives.
I’m starting to think this blog is a sleeper cell site.
VinceP1974 on March 9, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:07 AM
That’s Pelosi’s home turf, I am looking at otherwise conservative districts and purple areas Democrats made gains in the last 2-3 cycles.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:23 AM
I’m beginning to think certain posters have trouble putting on velcro shoes.
And who articulated them for the 150 years before Reagan and Goldwater?
MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:27 AM
So, conservationism will self correct once we rid ourselves of the Frum’s, Noonan’s, and others that fail to hear the message of a Palin or Jindal. Instead these idiots would rather tear down the messager thus hurting us and feeding the liberals.
Kini on March 8, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Free market correction, ignore them, we don’t need to be fighting and screaming about throwing people out. That kind of rhetoric gives talking points to the troll army Axelrod employs. Let Frum and Noonan et al find out for themselves what McCain should be real clear on about now. The MSM will use and abuse them and discard them once they’ve used them to make their point.
Rush is capable of defending Rush’s positions on things. I listen and enjoy his show, I don’t want him anointed head of GOP though. FWIW, I think part of the reason we got McCain was Rush wouldn’t get behind anyone until it was too late. The rest of the talking heads did a job on Palin and McCain once we were stuck with the ticket. We have made the point over and over ad nauseum don’t throw any more of our own under the bus. If they don’t have the message yet, we tune them out free market style. In the mean time let’s start focusing on taking back the House and Senate, time’s a’ waistin’.
msmveritas on March 9, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Aloha Canopfor, How have you been my friend?
As I was commenting to goat, we already have a message. It’s people like Frum that want to redefine what conservationism is and drop our core values by reaching out to those who don’t share our values.
That’s not conservationism.
For example, tax payer money for planned parenthood. That not a core value. What business is it of the government to get involved in what should be a private industry? Neither is it the governments responsibility to bail out corporations either. Liberals do so to control.
Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:30 AM
It didn’t call him that. It noted that. I love the implication that it’s somehow not true. Yes, the leader of the values party should be in prison, really, if standards that are applied to a random pot smoker were applied to him.
And once again, this isn’t about insulting Rush for the sake of insulting. This whole discussion is about the image of the Republican party, which is (let’s say, unfortunately) an integral part of the equation if we talk about electability.
I personally, don’t want his face to appear on the TV screen each time a conservative message is aired. There’s a lot of people like me.
radiofreevillage on March 9, 2009 at 12:31 AM
Hamilton, Madison and Jay in the Federalist papers, Jefferson in the DoI and the rest of the Founders that signed on to the birth of this great nation.
goat on March 9, 2009 at 12:31 AM
I would be a whole lot happier if pundits like Frum spent their energies identifying the flaws of the Obama administration and the two dimwits leading the Dems in Congress. Throw in a few of the “leading lights” of the Dems for good measure when it comes to finding fault, Mr. Frum. You would have plenty of material there if you are looking for inspiration, and you would be doing conservatives, as well as the Republicans, as big favor by doing so.
onlineanalyst on March 9, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Simply nauseating. The guy is an attention seeking narcissist. Underneath all his bitter jottings are two little words: love me.
He doesn’t care that he destroys what he states he wishes to create it’s just: love me, somebody, please.
I wonder if when he damages conservatism enough and gets the adulation he craves at the expense of “his” movement and principles and to the benefit of the ostensible “opponent”, he will look back, a la the Alec Guiness character in Bridge Over the River Kwai, and say “what have I done?”
clnurnberg on March 9, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Granted that if people will vote for blue dog dems, then it shouldn’t be that much more of a stretch to into the conservative arena. That’s what we could be doing better.
Michael Steele needs to start crafting that message. Toot Sweet.
Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:34 AM
But it’s not Rush’s job to get behind any one candidate.
We’re all free thinkers. What happened was we let the democrats nominate McCain. Rush only got behind McCain once all the others left the playing field. McCain was our guy.
Kini on March 9, 2009 at 12:37 AM
So they articulated conservatism, and the better part of two centuries passed before anyone else brought them up again.
Wow, that really proves that it’s always been a movement. *cough*
MadisonConservative on March 9, 2009 at 12:37 AM
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