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Minnesota starts state shari’a loan program

posted at 11:30 am on March 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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With a rapid influx of Muslims to the Twin Cities area, some private banks began offering shari’a mortgages a while back.  Muslims have a strict proscription against paying or accepting interest on loans, which makes home mortgages impossible, but private lenders have created ways to satisfy both profit and religious motives.  Now the state of Minnesota has jumped into the shari’a loan market with its own offering (via William Amos):

For many Minnesota Muslims, it’s been virtually impossible to buy a home, because Islamic law forbids the paying or charging of interest. To help close the home ownership gap among Muslim immigrants, the state’s housing agency has launched a new program offering Islamic mortgages. …

Sheikh is the first home buyer to get a loan through the state’s New Markets Mortgage Program. That’s because, program manager Nimo Farah said, he has all the makings of a successful homeowner.

“I had lots of applications, but he’s the first one, because really, he was ready. He has been working at the same job for quite a while; he took care of his credit; he had the right size family, and he had all his documents together,” she said. “He was basically ready to go.”

The program is targeted at low-to-moderate income families. Qualified applicants have to complete first-time home buyer education classes. The goal is to help Muslim home buyers build wealth and reap the benefits of home ownership.

How does it work?  The state buys the home and then sells it to the buyer at an inflated price, more or less masking the market interest rate as principle.  They they set a 30-year payment schedule where the family pays down the debt, but without any interest.  The state makes a profit eventually, and people get to buy homes rather than rent.

My objections to this have less to do with the religious aspects of this than the intrusion of the state into a private lending market.  Other private lenders had begun meeting the market demand by crafting shari’a loan models themselves.  The state’s entry into this market will act to push others out, as the state has more lending power and more credibility than private lenders do.  That essentially steals capital from the market, and it also reverses the tax flow, as profit in the private market would generate revenue to the state.  Minnesota is cheating itself in this transaction.

Moreover, our state faces a $7 billion shortfall over the next two years.  Why are we buying houses for people at six figures a throw in exchange for monthly payments over the next 30 years?  The capital we have needs to go to more legitimate state functions, instead of distorting the lending market once again.  And how well qualified are these buyers, anyway?  As we discovered in the Community Reinvestment Program, when the government pushes loans to an “underserved market,” it usually means significantly increased risk.  Will the state foreclose on delinquent borrowers?  That’s a question the FHA faces on a federal level without the added issue of religion (via Melissa Clouthier):

But the subprime mortgage market has crashed and borrowers are flocking back to the FHA, which has become the only option for those who lack hefty down payments or stellar credit. The agency’s historic role in backing mortgages is more crucial now than at any time since its founding.

With the surge in new loans, however, comes a new threat. Many borrowers are defaulting as quickly as they take out the loans. In the past year alone, the number of borrowers who failed to make more than a single payment before defaulting on FHA-backed mortgages has nearly tripled, far outpacing the agency’s overall growth in new loans, according to a Washington Post analysis of federal data.

Many industry experts attribute the jump in these instant defaults to factors that include the weak economy, lax scrutiny of prospective borrowers and most notably, foul play among unscrupulous lenders looking to make a quick buck.

Gee, what a surprise — government distorts the lending market again.  And while I’m mainly discounting the religious angle of this story, it’s interesting to note that the usual “separation of church and state” argument from the Left has been conspicuously absent here.  Is it a legitimate function of American government, at the state or federal level, to set itself up as a lender just to help a religious sect get around its own set of beliefs?  I’d say no.


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Is it a legitimate function of American government, at the state or federal level, to set itself up as a lender just to help a religious sect get around its own set of beliefs? I’d say no.

And I would agree with you.

myrenovations on March 8, 2009 at 11:38 AM

“I had lots of applications, but he’s the first one, because really, he was ready. He has been working at the same job for quite a while; he took care of his credit; he had the right size family, and he had all his documents together,” she said. “He was basically ready to go.”

How do you take care of your credit if you never borrow any money?

zmdavid on March 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM

In the past year alone, the number of borrowers who failed to make more than a single payment before defaulting on FHA-backed mortgages has nearly tripled

What is with these idiots???

BallisticBob on March 8, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Damn, Minnesota deserves to have Franken as a Senator!

Is it the cold weather that makes them weird, or is it some chemical leaching into the water supply?

Osama Obama making this a nationwide program in 5…4…3…2….

MrScribbler on March 8, 2009 at 11:43 AM

How do you take care of your credit if you never borrow any money?

zmdavid on March 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Hmmmmmm…

davo on March 8, 2009 at 11:46 AM

What is with these idiots???

BallisticBob on March 8, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Great! The people who make no payments are going to get free (to them) houses at government expense because Obama will never allow them to be evicted. If I had no morals, I might try it.

zmdavid on March 8, 2009 at 11:46 AM

My objection is that Sharia law prevents interest from bing charged to the borrower. So people who use it get an unfair advantage in getting a house from those who borrow from the private market.

And yes it is based on religeon which is also an issue of endorcing a religeon.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Heh. That tickling you feel is camel nose hair. Do you think the state would dare to offend the Muslim community by putting any defaulters out of their compounds? And now that your have a little sharia for finance, would it be to much to ask for a little sharia family law? Don’t be Islamophobes!

BL@KBIRD on March 8, 2009 at 11:46 AM

MinneDhimmisota

MB4 on March 8, 2009 at 11:47 AM

It does show that the Mohammedans pray to an exceptionally stupid god if he can be duped as easily as this.

BL@KBIRD on March 8, 2009 at 11:49 AM

How does it work? The state buys the home and then sells it to the buyer at an inflated price, more or less masking the market interest rate as principle.

Great. Another solution in search of a problem. First establish the system as valid, the march in the lawyers to scream discrimination regarding the inflated prices.

Itchee Dryback on March 8, 2009 at 11:51 AM

The state buys the home and then sells it to the buyer at an inflated price

Random thoughts:

-I’m curious as to how inflated.

-I imagine these buyers won’t get a mortgage deduction for interest paid?

-The principal of these loans are underwater from day one. How will these homeowners sell if they plan on moving in a few years?

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 11:51 AM

How do you take care of your credit if you never borrow any money?

zmdavid on March 8, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Having utilities and paying them on time and not having them go to collections.

It is not credit ot borrowing but it goes toward your credit score and credit worthiness.

myrenovations on March 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM

-How many years are these loans structured for? 15? 20? 30? 40?

-Are the payments constant?

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I love seeing radical Muslims taking advantage of capitalism and democracy.

ballz2wallz on March 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM

“Damn, Minnesota deserves to have Franken as a Senator!”

No kidding, what morons!

GFW on March 8, 2009 at 11:56 AM

One baby step at a time.

FontanaConservative on March 8, 2009 at 11:56 AM

From the article

Here’s how the mortgage, known as Murabaha financing or “cost plus sale,” works:

The state buys a home and resells it to the buyer at a higher price. The down payment and monthly installments are agreed to up front at current mortgage rates.

The deal is identical to a thirty-year fixed-rate loan, except there’s no additional interest, because the higher up-front price factors in payments that would have been made over the life of a traditional mortgage.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Damn…why does my state always have to be on the forefront of stupid ideas like this.

I’d like to move but the wife is contractually obligated to stay here for three more years.

Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Can a MN resident challenge the constitutionality of this program? There are so many technical problems and conflicts with fed statutes- as others have identified.

wtis02575 on March 8, 2009 at 11:58 AM

The state buys the home and then sells it to the buyer at an inflated price

And how long will it be before lawsuits for selling a house at an “inflated price” and religous persecution? This has trouble written all over it. Banks bending over backwards to help people, and soon lawyers will be bending banks back over the other way to collect.

Hog Wild on March 8, 2009 at 11:58 AM

darn strike button, I really got to get in the habit of hitting preview button before posting…

Hog Wild on March 8, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I’d just like to know why you guys think we need to know EVERYTHING that Brooks and Frum have to say.

blue13326 on March 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Very slippery slope when the government is involved in any approved Shari’a activity. What is next is the Shari’a divorce and family rules like the UK.

If you don’t like it you are racist, not because you are tying to save your way of life.

tjexcite on March 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM
I feel sorry for you, and I’m from California.

FontanaConservative on March 8, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Sickening. Can the other states take a vote and cede Minnesota to Canada?

KSgop on March 8, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Minnesota Public Radio has more on this

Chicago-based Devon Bank is underwriting the loans for the New Markets program. Devon is one of the largest Islamic lenders in the country. Corporate Counsel David Loundy says he expects the demand for Islamic financing to grow as more Muslims make their home in the U.S. Loundy says Muslims tend to be good risks.

Anyone know if this Chicago bank got US taxpayer money ?

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Well excuse me here,

But how exactly does some muslim establish credit without taking out a loan or using a credit card? A credit card is another form of loan, with interest and other charges.

I hope a group of non-muslims goes to court and sues the living crap out of the state and those responsible for this slap in the face to American Citizens and our laws.

AW1 Tim on March 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM

We’ll be back to being like England in no time.

Where can we run for a second time to build a second US?

ballz2wallz on March 8, 2009 at 12:09 PM

YIKES

From USATODAY

Giant mortgage investor Freddie Mac began buying sharia-compliant mortgages in 2001. Freddie Mac today continues to buy from four banks that together originate mortgages nationwide. In addition to Devon, Freddie Mac buys mortgages from Guidance Residential in Reston, Va.; University Bank in Ann Arbor, Mich.; and American Finance House Lariba in Pasadena, Calif.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Very slippery slope when the government is involved in any approved Shari’a activity. What is next is the Shari’a divorce and family rules like the UK.
tjexcite on March 8, 2009 at 12:02 PM

It’s a done deal.

The Fed’s have already “hosed” down that slope to make it even more slippery.

America Must Not Own already owns a Sharia-Based Financial Business

Not Over.

1GooDDaDDy on March 8, 2009 at 12:10 PM

gonna need another fence soon.

tarpon on March 8, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Oh wonderful. Already we’re beginning to bend our laws to fit the religious precepts of the Islamic world, just like Britain allowing Shari’a courts in certain neighborhoods. CAIR must approve like crazy.

The caliphates go marching one by one, hurrah, hurrah…

MadisonConservative on March 8, 2009 at 12:12 PM

I like the idea. Get around interest payments by charging exhorbitant prices.

Now the buyer can go to Obama and claim that they are inverted by 105% of the house’s value and get aid there too.

But, the downside is that the buyer can’t claim any mortgage interest deduction on their federal income tax. Not that it matters — isn’t that supposed to go away?

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2009 at 12:12 PM

But, the downside is that the buyer can’t claim any mortgage interest deduction on their federal income tax. Not that it matters — isn’t that supposed to go away?

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2009 at 12:12 PM

Not for everyone. Just the evil rich people.

myrenovations on March 8, 2009 at 12:13 PM

It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the new federal mortgage laws. These loans are, by definition, underwater at the time they are made. If the borrower defaults, will this now go to court and the judge write down the principle owed to present market value?

cerdic on March 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM

From a political economics point of view, I agree 1000%. (Put 100% through the government’s perpetual motion machine a couple of times, and viola! 1000%!!!)

Is it a legitimate function of American government, at the state or federal level, to set itself up as a lender just to help a religious sect get around its own set of beliefs? I’d say no.

But conscience protections for the religion that we share are ok? I don’t understand the difference.

free-thinker on March 8, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Frank Gaffney warned of this years ago. It starts with banking and sets a precedent.

Disturbing!

So a particular religion has its own banking system based on its religious idealogy but Christians and Catholics are forced into paying for and now, performing abortions against their faith?

katy on March 8, 2009 at 1:16 PM

free-thinker on March 8, 2009 at 1:15 PM

You have a constitutional right to worship whatever way you want.

You dont not have a constitutional right for the government to gaurantee you get loans for your home based on whatever religeon you practice.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 1:17 PM

The tentacles of Islam.

katy on March 8, 2009 at 1:17 PM

I feel sorry for you, and I’m from California.
FontanaConservative on March 8, 2009 at 12:05 PM

When the end comes you head east, I’ll head west and we can meet in Montana to join the resistance.

Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM

we can meet in Montana to join the resistance.

Doesn’t Ted Turner own Montanna?

myrenovations on March 8, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Hey, for Minnesota it doesn’t end here.

We also allow (catering to the muslims of course) people to wear religious headgear while getting the driver’s license photos taken.

Just recently a state GOP’er tried to have that idea killed and he was roundly attacked as a racist, bigot, etc. and he withdrew the attempt.

Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 1:20 PM

It does show that the Mohammedans pray to an exceptionally stupid god if he can be duped as easily as this.

BL@KBIRD on March 8, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Seriously. They’re paying interest on the loan, they’re just not calling it interest. How is that compliant with their religious beliefs that paying interest is wrong? If a married Christian has sex with his neighbor’s spouse, but instead of calling it sex he calls it tiddlywinks (and convinces everybody else to call it that too), then is he off the hook for adultery?

This is absurd.

AZCoyote on March 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM

AZCoyote on March 8, 2009 at 1:22 PM

But thejoke is on us. The bank that finances this gets Freddie mac money and FDIC protection. We the taxpayers pay for them to get these loans gauranteed.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Well excuse me here,

But how exactly does some muslim establish credit without taking out a loan or using a credit card?

Credit?..They don’t need no steeking credit.

I gues anyone can just go to a bank and show that you’ve paid your utility and phone bills, and you’re good to go for a 150K loan.
Can anyone do that?…No?..Wheres my lawyer?..no wait. Wheres the ACLU?

Itchee Dryback on March 8, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Can I get a loan like this if it is better deal then a old fashion secular style loan?

tlynch001 on March 8, 2009 at 1:25 PM

I am so happy to hear that your bridges are fixed.

SkyWatch on March 8, 2009 at 1:25 PM

tlynch001 on March 8, 2009 at 1:25 PM

According to the Minnesota NPR article no its only offered to Muslims.

But the bad economy is also offering opportunity. With housing prices at rock bottom, officials say the timing couldn’t be better to match first time Muslim buyers with foreclosures that need new owners.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 1:28 PM

This isn’t the Minnesota of Laura Ingles that’s for sure! Sad.

SouthernGent on March 8, 2009 at 1:29 PM

“My objections to this have less to do with the religious aspects of this…”

Oh, my objections to this have EVERYTHING to do with the religious aspect. It’s just another expansion of Sharia law into our society, quietly and without shooting a gun, blowing up a building or beheading anyone. We are just sitting around watching it unfold.

And, the government has been involved in lending for years – FHA, bond programs, etc.

mimi1220 on March 8, 2009 at 1:31 PM

So much for the separation of church and state.

Dr. Dog on March 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM

And the ACLU’s position on this is ___________ ?

Not a government function, plus it violates separation of church & state.

rbj on March 8, 2009 at 1:38 PM

This isn’t the Minnesota of Laura Ingles that’s for sure! Sad.

SouthernGent on March 8, 2009 at 1:29 PM

In a way, it kind of is. Pa was against ever borrowing money.

myrenovations on March 8, 2009 at 1:41 PM

I see a lot of complaining here about the symptom of the problem, but per usual no one has yet spoken out about the root cause of this problem — namely our liberal immigration policies, which have allowed these Muslims into our country in the first place.

It’s quite ridiculous to invite, en mass, Muslims into your country only to complain and moan when said Muslims start acting like Muslims, and/or the liberal state starts acquiescing to their demands.

It’s quite simple really. If you don’t want sharia law gaining a foothold here, either through Muslims activism, government involvement or more likely a combination of the two — then Muslim immigration must be stopped, and offenders need to be deported. Otherwise we’re going to look more and more like England in the coming years.

But of course this would require questioning the prevailing non-discriminatory liberalism that is responsible for our current immigration polices, which “conservatives” seem unwilling to do.

2Brave2Bscared on March 8, 2009 at 1:43 PM

They Ammendment should be changed to :

Separation of

Mosque

and state.

DL13 on March 8, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Aagggh!

If Muslims want to live under Sharia law, then they can go to a country where the law is Sharia. You don’t see American citizens immigrating to Sharia based countries and asking for special exemptions based upon American jurisprudence do you? Good bye and good riddance.

Government has no role legitimate role in advancing or supporting this type of lending.

Is there a liberal behind all of this?

turfmann on March 8, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Is there a liberal behind all of this?

turfmann on March 8, 2009 at 1:45 PM

It’s Minnesota. Do you even have to ask?

AZCoyote on March 8, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Bishop on March 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM
People are already leaving in droves in that direction anyways. So Montana’s the HQ huh? Any secret handshakes I need to know about?

FontanaConservative on March 8, 2009 at 1:47 PM

If Muslims want to live under Sharia law, then they can go to a country where the law is Sharia. You don’t see American citizens immigrating to Sharia based countries and asking for special exemptions based upon American jurisprudence do you? Good bye and good riddance.

It’s obvious that Islam and the West are incompatible. The only solution is to keep the Muslims out of our countries.

2Brave2Bscared on March 8, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Anyone else notice that this entire concept is based on a lie?

They’re still PAYING INTEREST, they’re just CALLING the interest “principal” and winking knowingly.

It’s like a Muslim who has bacon and beer for dinner but CALLS them “juice and beef.”

Merovign on March 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Some Minnesotans could do themselves and the rest of the Americans a favor by carefully determining who are most responsible for having brought this program into being, carefully determining what seems most prudent to do in regard to them, and prudently doing it. Leaving them well-positioned to try again seems imprudent, but the prudent man on the spot is a better judge.

Kralizec on March 8, 2009 at 1:51 PM

You have a constitutional right to worship whatever way you want.

You dont not have a constitutional right for the government to gaurantee you get loans for your home based on whatever religeon you practice.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 1:17 PM

But I do have the right to practice medicine based on my religious feelings about abortion? Of course, the anti-abortion stance can be made without religious references (and I prefer to do so). But the point remains that we have conscience protections written into law that preserve freedoms to apply our moral values in daily life.

Now, in my opinion the government shouldn’t be in the mortgage business. But if it is going to be in the mortgage business, I think it makes sense to include conscience protections when applicable. One could set up a non-Sharia moral construct against loans with interest, however silly it would look in the eyes of most Americans.

So what’s the difference between these two cases?

free-thinker on March 8, 2009 at 1:55 PM

From the article

Here’s how the mortgage, known as Murabaha financing or “cost plus sale,” works:

The state buys a home and resells it to the buyer at a higher price. The down payment and monthly installments are agreed to up front at current mortgage rates.

The deal is identical to a thirty-year fixed-rate loan, except there’s no additional interest, because the higher up-front price factors in payments that would have been made over the life of a traditional mortgage.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 11:56 AM

OK, I missed some of that.

Hmmmm……

If interest payments are factored in, the amount borrowed would have to be substantially double that of the appraised value. We could be talking close to three times value depending on the simulated [30 year?] “interest” factored in. That’s very upside-down.

How do these borrowers sell if they want or need to move in a few years after the ink has dried?

If people have to sell while they are that far under water, the loan documents must have provisions for this unavoidable contingency. Will the amount borrowed be written down by some predetermined table if the home is sold in X years? If so, this “no interest” scheme is a very poor disguise.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 1:55 PM

http://www.mnhousing.gov/about/faq/General/index.aspx

Are there restrictions with the first-time homebuyer program?

Yes. The Minnesota Mortgage Program is available to first-time homeowners whose income does not exceed an established amount, depending on where in Minnesota the home is located. There also are limits on the cost of the home which vary by its location.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 1:56 PM

So what’s the difference between these two cases?

free-thinker on March 8, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Government involvement. One demands the government stay out of chosing religeons. The other demands government give money based on religeon.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 2:00 PM

If interest payments are factored in, the amount borrowed would have to be substantially double that of the appraised value. We could be talking close to three times value depending on the simulated [30 year?] “interest” factored in. That’s very upside-down.

What happens if the value of the property goes up or down ?

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Where is the ACLU? Or are they hiding out in in a burqa?

Annar on March 8, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Hopefully the Feds will come up with Judeo-Christian taxes, since God only requires 10%.

obladioblada on March 8, 2009 at 2:27 PM

Hopefully the Feds will come up with Judeo-Christian taxes, since God only requires 10%.

obladioblada on March 8, 2009 at 2:27 PM

It will be called the Obama tax.

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM

But I do have the right to practice medicine based on my religious feelings about abortion? Of course, the anti-abortion stance can be made without religious references (and I prefer to do so). But the point remains that we have conscience protections written into law that preserve freedoms to apply our moral values in daily life.

The difference is pretty obvious. Conscience protections prevent government from forcing you to perform services against your religious precepts. This program uses taxpayer money to a private lending function that caters to a specific religion. Muslims can find other (private) options for shari’a lending, or they can rent.

As Jules Pitt says in Pulp Fiction, it’s not the same thing, not the same ballpark, and not even the same sport.

Ed Morrissey on March 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I’m mainly discounting the religious angle of this story, it’s interesting to note that the usual “separation of church and state” argument from the Left has been conspicuously absent here. Is it a legitimate function of American government, at the state or federal level, to set itself up as a lender just to help a religious sect get around its own set of beliefs? I’d say no.

That is a very good point.

But it plays into the pattern of hypocrisy from the Left so I am not surprised.

Montana on March 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM

The difference is pretty obvious. Conscience protections prevent government from forcing you to perform services against your religious precepts. This program uses taxpayer money to a private lending function that caters to a specific religion. Muslims can find other (private) options for shari’a lending, or they can rent.

Not to mention the obvious difference between a loan and murder.

Montana on March 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Nothing new here. Millions of people have already purchased homes and following Shari’a prohibitions against interest are not paying. Just to be sure, they’re not in violation, they’re not paying principle either.

A simple way handle this is simply facilitate the takeover of payments of foreclosed homes. No discussion of interest…just take over payments.

Next….

moxie_neanderthal on March 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I see a lot of complaining here about the symptom of the problem, but per usual no one has yet spoken out about the root cause of this problem — namely our liberal immigration policies, which have allowed these Muslims into our country in the first place.

2Brave2Bscared on March 8, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Ah, Brave. Are you Native American?

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

William Amos on March 8, 2009 at 2:00 PM

I guess I’m banging my head against a wall. Isn’t the government “choosing religions” by offering only loans with interest when Muslims can’t take out those loans? Many commenters note that the difference is only one of terminology–the amount that the government receives over the course of the home loan is the same. Whether you call it principal or interest is merely semantics.

Concerns about floating property values, interest deductions, etc., take this to another level, and we need a lot more detail about the program to determine if these issues have been addressed.

free-thinker on March 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Ah, Brave. Are you Native American?

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Are you suggesting that America has no right to tighten immigration laws because Native American’s were here first? Seriously?

How many times did you watch Dances With Wolves before you decided you to claim you have a spirit animal and that the white man is evil? *eye roll*

Montana on March 8, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Paving the way for more creeping sharia.

Disturb the Universe on March 8, 2009 at 2:48 PM

Can i start a company that only writes home loans to Christians? I’m sure that would go over well with the government.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

And let’s say I lived in Minnesota and found some advantage to these loans. They would deny me because I’m agnostic? I suppose could turn around in a week or two and say I’ve converted to Islam. How do they prove me a liar?

This program can’t hold up.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I’ve got to read the fine print in these loan documents.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM

if a private bank (are there any left anymore?) wants to do this, then it’s up to them.

but a STATE gov’t???

i hope someone takes them to court on this…

homesickamerican on March 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I suppose could turn around in a week or two and say I’ve converted to Islam. How do they prove me a liar?

This program can’t hold up.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Once you convert you had better maintain the pretense lest you are branded an apostate and get a target on your back.

Disturb the Universe on March 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Can i start a company that only writes home loans to Christians? I’m sure that would go over well with the government.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

No you probably can’t but I’m sure that Minnesota will write up a shari’a contract for any unbeliever stupid enough to want one which is how they will pretend it is not a strictly religious thing.

Annar on March 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Question:

Does one HAVE to be a Muslim to get such terms? What this does is, in effect, give one a fixed rate mortgage with an extreme early payoff penalty as they would end up paying all the interest no matter when they paid the mortgage off.

This is actually a pretty good windfall for the state and a bad deal for the borrower. The mortage is instantly “under water” as more is owed than the property is worth. The state gets 30 years of interest even if the property is sold in 10 years. Most mortgages never go to full term.

BUT if the state is subject to the same financial laws as private industry, they will have to mark the difference between the loan amount and the home’s actual value as a liability and will continue to build red ink each time one of these loans are originated until the balance due on these loans goes “above water”.

crosspatch on March 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I will NEVER bow down to the Demonic religion of pieces called Islam..

Islam is from the devil as was its founder mohammed…

I will not be politically correct to this VILE religion..

Where in the hell is the aclu?
oh yea they are too busy invading sunday schools..
plus they dont have the balls to try and investigate a mosque wich might happen to be full of WEAPONS..

Like muslims never did that before (oh wait yes they did).
and even the usless UN busted them (by accident of course)..

jcila on March 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM

I will NEVER bow down to the Demonic religion of pieces called Islam..

Islam is from the devil as was its founder mohammed…

I will not be politically correct to this VILE religion..

Where in the hell is the aclu?
oh yea they are too busy invading sunday schools..
plus they dont have the balls to try and investigate a mosque wich might happen to be full of WEAPONS..

Like muslims never did that before (oh wait yes they did).
and even the usless UN busted them (by accident of course)

this is insane

jcila on March 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM

this is insane

jcila on March 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM

+1

Disturb the Universe on March 8, 2009 at 3:02 PM

The goal is to help Muslim home buyers build wealth and reap the benefits of home ownership.

Hopefully anyone fooled by pawlenty has their eyes opened by this one. minnesota has been bending over backwards for muslims for awhile, nearly to the extent of suprarights. He needs to be removed from the list of republican “leaders” for good. By the way, in targeting muslims for this program, does this mean thatbeing a muslim is a disability or genetic trait?

peacenprosperity on March 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Will the state foreclose on delinquent borrowers?

Of course not. The taxpayers of MI will be expected to pay for this.

TN Mom on March 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

This should scare the crap out of all Americans. Incremental chipping away at the most basic foundations of the American system. And with the willing participation of the State? For what?

If Moslems want to set up private institutions to provide interest free loans to other Moslems…let them.

But to get the State involved, essentially bear the burden upfront, so that a religious precept can be maintained by ONE particular religion? This is totally wrong.

coldwarrior on March 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Hmmmm……

If interest payments are factored in, the amount borrowed would have to be substantially double that of the appraised value. We could be talking close to three times value depending on the simulated [30 year?] “interest” factored in. That’s very upside-down.

How do these borrowers sell if they want or need to move in a few years after the ink has dried?

If people have to sell while they are that far under water, the loan documents must have provisions for this unavoidable contingency. Will the amount borrowed be written down by some predetermined table if the home is sold in X years? If so, this “no interest” scheme is a very poor disguise.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 1:55 PM

Correct. An example of this from a Truth In Lending statement I recently provided at 6.0%: APR 6.9%; Amount Financed: 213,929; Finance Charge: 252,281; Total amount of payments: 466,210. Monthly payment traditionally would be $1,293. The state would have to sell the house to the borrower at a price of $466,000 with 360 monthly payments of $1,293 to have the same effect as a 6% 30 year mortgage. This is 215% of the true value of the home.

Now does anyone forsee a problem if a number of these homes are purchased and put into the comparables that appraisers use to evaluate homes? Seems to me that it could similarly effect local real estate values as foreclosed properties do, only in the opposite direction.

Mixing present and future values is a recipe for disaster. But then again, it’s a government program.

singer on March 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

Question:

Does one HAVE to be a Muslim to get such terms? What this does is, in effect, give one a fixed rate mortgage with an extreme early payoff penalty as they would end up paying all the interest no matter when they paid the mortgage off.

This is actually a pretty good windfall for the state and a bad deal for the borrower. The mortage is instantly “under water” as more is owed than the property is worth. The state gets 30 years of interest even if the property is sold in 10 years. Most mortgages never go to full term.

BUT if the state is subject to the same financial laws as private industry, they will have to mark the difference between the loan amount and the home’s actual value as a liability and will continue to build red ink each time one of these loans are originated until the balance due on these loans goes “above water”.

crosspatch on March 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM

I’ll bet there is some mechanism in these loan agreements that writes down the principle according to a schedule for the purposes of a sale. If not that, then perhaps these loans will be assumable, provided the buyer is a Muslim.

If my first guess is correct, I’d love to see the language used to write down principle w/out getting the IRS involved.

toliver on March 8, 2009 at 3:10 PM

Ah, Brave. Are you Native American?

unclesmrgol on March 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

What? If you arent “Native American” then you cant complain about an ideology that is incompatible with the US Constitution?

Elric66 on March 8, 2009 at 3:10 PM

I would suggest that anyone who wants to buy a house that way to go and apply and say you are a Muslim. Anybody. That forces the state into a position where it has to set up another agency to vet who is and is not really a muslim. I would love to see the government get into the religion vetting business, especially in a lefty region.

Mega Irony.

Guardian on March 8, 2009 at 3:15 PM

I will not be politically correct to this VILE religion..
jcila on March 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Islam is hardly a religion, it is a socio-political structure with a religious overlay that aims to conquer, control and dominate both its believers and unbelievers who come under its control. It would be more appropriate to group it with Fascism or Communism because of its bundled political aim of global conquest.

One could be polite and call Islam simply a cult since its adherents, particularly the males, are supposed to emulate Muhammad, the perfect male. (Some of that emulation, like polygamy and child abuse — his 9 year old wife — would land you in prison in civilized countries.)

Annar on March 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM

Hopefully, local property tax appraisals are initially based on the purchase price of the house.

Laurence on March 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM

principal not principle

**********

loan principal

legal principle

slp on March 8, 2009 at 3:26 PM

So when does Minnesota start offering 24hour marriage licenses?

- The Cat

MirCat on March 8, 2009 at 3:30 PM

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