Obama to commit to the ICC?
posted at 10:00 am on March 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
For the past six years, George Bush kept the International Criminal Court at arm’s length, refusing to join it but encouraging its work bringing malefactors to justice. With the US acting as the world’s policeman, Bush explained, he could not afford to allow the ICC to take jurisdiction over our military personnel and give our enemies a political lever for interference. Gerald Warner at the Telegraph warns that Barack Obama will reverse that decision — and that could open the door for a string of indictments relating to Iraq and Afghanistan:
But the people who should be feeling really nervous about this development are the citizens of the United States and more especially their armed forces. The signs are that the grandstanding Barack Obama is preparing to subject the United States to the jurisdiction of the ICC. In May, 2002 President Bush withdrew the United States from the Rome Statute which established the ICC. With America heading into global conflict, he had no wish to see US troops arraigned for alleged war crimes before a kangaroo court.
That was a wise decision and probably required in terms of the US Constitution. Already, however, the Obama administration is sending out very different messages. …
Last month US Ambassador Susan Rice, in a closed meeting of the Security Council, supported the ICC, saying it “looks to become an important and credible instrument for trying to hold accountable the senior leadership responsible for atrocities committed in the Congo, Uganda and Darfur”. A week later Ben Chang, spokesman for National Security Advisor General James Jones, took a similar line, telling the Washington Times: “We support the ICC in its pursuit of those who’ve perpetrated war crimes.”
From a purely cynical, Machiavellian point of view, joining the ICC would allow Obama to outsource what Patrick Leahy has demanded in the Senate — some sort of “truth commission” to pillory the Bush administration and raise their own stature. It would take the matter out of their hands, allowing them some political cover domestically while building credibility with their internationalist friends at home and abroad. It would certainly fit within their rhetoric over the last few months about “soft power”.
However, Warner doesn’t provide a lot of support for his argument. The Bush administration didn’t oppose the ICC outright, only any jurisdiction over American actions. The expressions of support from Rice and Chang don’t lend themselves to an interpretation that the Obama administration plans on surrendering American sovereignty to the ICC, either sooner or later.
Of course, it doesn’t mean he won’t, either. Obama would face two hurdles if he attempted it: the US Constitution and the political firestorm it would provoke, especially in the military. The Constitution gives no provision for any foreign court or potentate to have jurisdiction over American military personnel or national leaders for their actions in service to their country. The courts would likely laugh any suggestion that they should approve the extradition of soldiers or former administration figures to a foreign court, no matter what Obama signs. The Senate would likely take a dim view of it once their military constituents started phoning Capitol Hill offices to discuss the risk this would place on them and their families.
The odds of this happening seem low. With a financial crisis taking most of the attention, I doubt the ICC will get much more than lip service for the next four years.









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The good news is that, of all the screwups, insults, hateful rhetoric and worse policies….this would be the first public action by the Obama administration that could be argued as either criminally treasonous or an impeachable offense.
cthulhu on March 8, 2009 at 12:16 AM
The ICC has been written on before, by Steven Den Beste back in his “USS Clueless” days. It was a treatise in three parts, which I strongly urge reading all of each. They can be found here, here, and here. Supporters of ratification of the ICC are urged to read this, also in full.
If Mr. Obama wishes to invoke Lincoln at every turn, the way he did at his inauguration 6 weeks ago (was it only that long ago?!), let him recall these words from Lincoln, spoken on 27 January, 1838 (excerpted from the “Lyceum Address”) – and let him recall that Lincoln expanded this wealth of liberty to all citizens, making all Americans free.
“We find ourselves in the peaceful possession, of the fairest portion of the earth, as regards extent of territory, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate. We find ourselves under the government of a system of political institutions, conducing more essentially to the ends of civil and religious liberty, than any of which the history of former times tells us. We, when mounting the stage of existence, found ourselves the legal inheritors of these fundamental blessings. We toiled not in the acquirement or establishment of them–they are a legacy bequeathed us, by a once hardy, brave, and patriotic, but now lamented and departed race of ancestors. Their’s was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights; ’tis ours only, to transmit these, the former, unprofaned by the foot of an invader; the latter, undecayed by the lapse of time and untorn by usurpation, to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform.
“How then shall we perform it?–At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?– Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!–All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.
“At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”
Truer words never spoken, a speech greater (imo) than the Gettysburg Address.
Blacksmith on March 8, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Abe Lincoln, since the current Pres’ent claimed at his inauguration a scant 6 weeks ago (!) to hold him in such esteem, in his “Lyceum Address, ” January 27, 1838
“As a subject for the remarks of the evening, the perpetuation of our political institutions, is selected.
“In the great journal of things happening under the sun, we, the American People, find our account running, under date of the nineteenth century of the Christian era.–We find ourselves in the peaceful possession, of the fairest portion of the earth, as regards extent of territory, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate. We find ourselves under the government of a system of political institutions, conducing more essentially to the ends of civil and religious liberty, than any of which the history of former times tells us. We, when mounting the stage of existence, found ourselves the legal inheritors of these fundamental blessings. We toiled not in the acquirement or establishment of them–they are a legacy bequeathed us, by a once hardy, brave, and patriotic, but now lamented and departed race of ancestors. Their’s was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights; ’tis ours only, to transmit these, the former, unprofaned by the foot of an invader; the latter, undecayed by the lapse of time and untorn by usurpation, to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform.
“How then shall we perform it?–At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?– Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!–All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.
“At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”
Truer words never spoken; certainly more significant today than his comments 25 years later in Gettysburg.
Blacksmith on March 8, 2009 at 2:23 AM
The picture of Obama, with his hand on the shoulder of that officer, made me throw up, a little bit, in my mouth.
2Tru2Tru on March 8, 2009 at 2:54 AM
Pandering to Spros?
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herself on March 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM
Good. At this point, Obama has demonstrated that the longer he has influence and power the more damage he’ll do. So the sooner he loses that the better for us all. The dems must be drawn onto political battlefield they cannot win. The ICC is one of them – gun control is another. Also most of the carbon cap nonsense is lethal to his political position. We should in every way possible challenge Obama to “make our day.” The dems are overconfident and simply stupid. Their strength can be bled away by committing to hopeless engagements that will leave his ranks decimated. At some point wall street is going to revolt. If he passes this carbon nonsense, the rust belt will revolt. He only needs to lose a few percentage points in a few key areas to cripple his party.
Karmashock on March 8, 2009 at 5:50 AM
Maybe I’m deranged but I kind of think that if a leader is so bad the world agrees he must be removed from power, why should there be enough pieces of him left to put on trial? If it’s no secret a leader is using military power to rape and murder innocent women and children, why does he deserve a trial?
peacenprosperity on March 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM
President Obama continues to show his lack of leadership and understanding what his primary job and oath as President is – Defend the Constitution and U.S. from enemies foreign and domestic.
Those who have one goal, the annihilation of U.S. and any one who do not share their values, are not criminals. They are enemies of the state, using terrorist tactics to advance the shared goal of their respective countries. Thus, by definition they are enemy combatants. Enemies of the U.S. are not entitled to be treated as members of a street gang. They are POW and must be treated as such if we are to successfully survive their attacks.
Another point President Obama and many others miss is that they do not honor the Geneva Convention and deserve nothing more than the same level of treatment they inflict on our POW’s.
MSGTAS on March 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM
It is going to be a very interesting two years. Then, if the Repubs take back both the Senate and the House, it will get just that much more interesting.
My mother died in 2001 and my WW II veteran father died in 2004, and they were in their late 80s. I miss them both, but at least they are not witnessing the destruction of their country from within.
Pelayo on March 8, 2009 at 10:28 AM
One of the reasons the left was so gung-ho to subordinate the Constitution to the ICC was because then foreign powers could arrest Bush and Cheney for “war crimes.”
Be careful, leftists, what you wish for. If you haven’t figured it out yet, the world doesn’t love the US merely because Obama is the president.
Paul_in_NJ on March 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM
As much as the men and women of our military are committed to keeping America safe, I just fear that very many of them will decide they can’t serve under a stupid, smarmy, socialistic, Mohammed-a$$-kissing big-eared horrific freak of a commander-in-chief.
I served under Carter, which was bad enough, but he was mostly just a Jew-hating idiot. Not even close to the freedom-destorying wretched piece of filth that Ogabe is.
SKYFOX on March 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Are you folks even aware that the Posse Comitatus Act no longer exists and Congress re-enacted the Insurrection Act?
Does anyone actually think the U.S. will have free and open elections after the Democrats have funneled BILLIONS to ACORN and Obama has seized the Census so he can gerrymander every state?
The stimulus package contains 11 flagrant violations of the U.S. Constitution and Democrats have proved they consider the Constitution as toilet paper.
Obama is a NAZI, folks, just compare Obama’s and the Democrat’s platforms to the Nazi Party Platform written by ADOLF HITLER….if you DARE!
http://people.westminstercollege.edu/faculty/mmarkowski/H113/AH/platform.html
nelsonknows on March 9, 2009 at 5:24 AM
Does anyone actually think the U.S. will have free and open elections after the Democrats have funneled BILLIONS to ACORN and Obama has seized the Census so he can gerrymander every state? nelsonknows on March 9, 2009 at 5:24 AM
Great point, and it would benefit U.S. to remember this at every election cycle as well as when the Census takers come a knocking.
Remember the Constitution and have it ready, when the Census takers come a knocking, you are only required to tell them how many people reside in YOUR house, the one you pay for and live in. Finally, do not let them talk you into taking the more invasive survey, and most of all do not allow them into your residence.
MSGTAS on March 9, 2009 at 10:38 AM
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