Let’s remember, that for the last 4 years of the Bush Administration were actually under the control of the Demoncrates.

Obviously, this is true. But I pose the question to you of how tell the difference between Muslims who pose a threat and those who don’t?

awake on March 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

There are three kinds of muslims…
Hardcore…enablers…consenters…
deport them all.

awake on March 6, 2009 at 3:16 PM

The same way we differentiate between skinny white terrorists and skinny white guys. We spend billions on the FBI, CIA, and NSA every year to investigate actual threats so we don’t have to write off entire religions as terrorists.

Liberty or Death on March 6, 2009 at 3:53 PM

If I built up a straw man, then I apologize as that wasn’t my intention. I only ask you suggest a different way of interpreting ” if we are attacked again and our government fails to act upon these radical elements within our nation to protect the union (our governments first priority) then there will be many of us that will and should step up to do what needs to be done.” considering the context.

And I said genocide once, if that constitutes “quite a bit” then we’ve apparently ceased to speak english. In this post alone you used the word “genocide” 500% more than I’ve used it in my entire time on Hot Air.

I’ve never said we should bend over backwards, I’ve simply said that we should uphold the free exercise clause. If someone breaks the law, if someone aids or abets terrorists, provides them material support, then put a bag over their head and send their asses to Gitmo or wherever else. Being a muslim is not sufficient evidence.

Not sure I really see the problem here. Do you.
As for the lib trolls that have just crawled out of the woodwork, if any of you think the Muslim religion and the freedoms that we in the USA have are compatible, you are extremely naive. But then again, that’s part of being a lib/dim/socialist. So to those who say let’s not allow the Muslim religion (and if you do some studying, it really doesn’t qualify as a religion, but more of a cult) to freely be practiced here in the states, I for one have no problem with it. They (the practitioners of the Muslim religion) have shown they are unable to assimiliate and function in our society without being a threat. I for one am tired of looking over my shoulder wondering which Mosques are moderate (that’s a joke of a term for said cult) or radical. Did I offend anyone? Did I make anyone uncomfortable because of my firm beliefs in the security of America being first? To bad. I’ll cry you a river.

Veiled threats of genocide make me very uncomfortable, and it’s disturbing that I’m apparently in the minority about this.

galenrox on March 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM

First off I never in any of my postings made any sort of “veiled threat of genocide” but I don’t have any control over how you or death to media hacks (DTMH) interpret what I post, all I can say is you are wrong that I made any threat of genocide veiled or otherwise.

Secondly, you and DTMH really like to throw around the “genocide” card quite a bit, that’s not very nice considering I myself and many that post on HA do not condone genocide in any way.

I will say however that while genocide is not the answer and most on HA are not calling for out-and-out genocide of anyone that is Muslim/Islamic I also don’t think we as a nation and a people should be bending over backwards the way we are for Muslims/Islam to the point where we are potentially committing suicide, which is what we are/will be doing if we continue to put our heads in the sand and ignore the very real threat that the fascist Islamic ideology presents to the West.

Again, while genocide is not the answer we must also guard against committing suicide, I see nothing wrong with taking swift and decisive action including kicking in their doors, deporting them, and shooting them dead if necessary if we have proof of their inciting and planning jihad in their mosques, saying this is not a call for genocide but is a matter of basic survival, to do nothing is akin to committing suicide in my opinion.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM

How is making a statement that if all mosques were razed, there would be no reason to monitor them equivalent to a veiled threat of genocide?

They recently razed a mosque in Italy. Where was your cry for humanity then?

There’s nothing I said that suggests any problem with identifying enemies of the United States, but assuming that all muslims pose a threat is simply preposterous. They don’t.

galenrox on March 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Obviously, this is true. But I pose the question to you of how tell the difference between Muslims who pose a threat and those who don’t?

Veiled threats of genocide make me very uncomfortable, and it’s disturbing that I’m apparently in the minority about this.

galenrox on March 6, 2009 at 2:18 PM

It’s sad but true. With too many folks on the right it’s join the lynch mob or you’re a limp wristed coward who wants your family to die in a horrible fiery, suicide bomby death.

It would help if the rest of the mosques denounced terrorism, and denounced terrorist mosques. Until then all mosques
are terrorist mosques.

darktood on March 6, 2009 at 4:54 AM

That’s nonsense. Now if we’re talking about the specific mosques that are providing material support to the terrorists, then I’m all about kicking down doors and doing what we need to do, but taking the next step to requiring the CIA to act as thought police is unAmerican.

Mommypundit on March 6, 2009 at 5:25 AM

I understand the point, but we’re talking about unnecessarily tossing out the free exercise clause of the first amendment. If someone harbors terrorists, if someone covers for terrorists, if someone dedicates resources to helping terrorists, these are all illegal and our national security mechanisms can do what they need to do with these people. Now if someone isn’t doing any of these things, and just so happens to sympathize with the terrorists, that’s screwed up and unAmerican, but the security threat that that provides is much smaller than the security threat of tossing out the free exercise clause (when we think about security not just in terms of staying alive, but in terms of staying alive as Americans).

Liberty or Death on March 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Well thankfully lefty rhetoric is as wrong as it always is. Bush exercised emergency powers, and frankly I’m not that worried about my phone getting tapped without a warrant because unless I am an actual security threat which takes away my right to avail myself of the legal system the information acquired is inadmissable.

There’s nothing I said that suggests any problem with identifying enemies of the United States, but assuming that all muslims pose a threat is simply preposterous. They don’t. Even if their mosques don’t condemn acts of terrorism, that isn’t a threat unless they take action to support terrorism. Once they do that, then the free exercise clause has nothing to do with what happens to them next.

Veiled threats of genocide make me very uncomfortable, and it’s disturbing that I’m apparently in the minority about this.

I just don’t get it…

Mark Garnett on March 6, 2009 at 2:10 PM

I can’t be bothered hating every Muslim in my neighborhood or being scared of all the mosques in the cities I’ve lived in. You know how hard it would’ve been to get around? Oklahoma city didn’t cause me to fear every skinny balding white guy I ever met why should 9/11 change how I feel about muslims in America? Unless you’re saying McVeigh DID make you fearful of all balding white men, in which case…that must be tough being afraid of so many people.

So…..not time for a hangin then? But the pickups all fired up.

DeathToMediaHacks on March 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM

No real worries, your an American… We patriots will come and save your family and yes, even you… Even though your a tool for the terrorists that want to destry Americans, black, white, rich, poor, young, old, Conservative, Liberal… ALL OF US are in danger and you ignore it…

I just don’t get it…

Fire up the pickup Billy lee, it’s time for a hangin!

DeathToMediaHacks on March 6, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I hope these bastards pick YOUR home, maybe then, when YOUR family is dying, you’ll finaly say we should have “connected the dots”… maybe…

Only weak limp wristed cowards would openly invite a killer into his home with his children and wife present…

DTMH = all of the above

Not surprising. As Michael Savage says, that religion needs to be banned from America.

SouthernGent on March 5, 2009 at 8:34 PM

There would be no need to monitor or investigate mosques in the US if they were all razed.

Just saying.

awake on March 6, 2009 at 9:47 AM

We must get the word out, these radical Mosque’s must be raided, closed and the leaders rounded up before it’s too late… National Security demands action… The Messiah will not act…

Mosques are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but morals and whiskey are scarce. The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink. Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on March 5, 2009 at 8:56 PM

It’s pretty safe to ditch the question mark whenever considering terrorism and Mosques.

Grafted on March 5, 2009 at 9:08 PM

Fire up the pickup Billy lee, it’s time for a hangin!

The leaders and members of the Abubakar Islamic Center in Minneapolis deny they are recruiting people for jihad. But what to make of the fact that at least one American worshipper at the mosque killed himself in a suicide bombing……

After 9/11 Bush made sure we didn’t get attacked again, and he didn’t have to throw out the bill of rights in the process. He exercised some emergeny powers, sure, but it’s one thing to use mergency powers, and another to just dismantle the Constitution out of paranoia.

galenrox on March 6, 2009 at 12:40 AM

Hmmm…interesting. After listening to the lefty loons screaming for the last 8 years that Bush was destroying our consitution and taking away our rights by eavesdropping on certain communications under the pretense of keeping America safe (pretense according to the left as the left never did and still doesn’t think there’s a terrorist threat) one would think after hearing all of that lefty rhetoric for the last 8 years that we no longer have a constitution to be dismantled as the evil Bushitler had already destroyed it and declared marshal law…just saying.

I also don’t see anything wrong with identifying enemies of the state and taking the required and necessary steps to eliminate the threat. Had these Islamic radicals been conducting such things (plotting and inciting jihad against the West and their host nation) just 50-60 years ago our government would not have hesitated to start breaking down doors and dispatching them by throwing them out of the country, locking them away in prison, or shooting them dead for being the treasonous America hating biatches they are!

As some have stated, if we are attacked again and our government fails to act upon these radical elements within our nation to protect the union (our governments first priority) then there will be many of us that will and should step up to do what needs to be done.

What do you propose that we should do about this?

I saw one person suggest that Islam should be outlawed. Obviously that’s not a practical or rational solution. So what should be done?

If these allegations are true, then I’m with the rest of you: I dont want that going on. But obviously we dont have proof at the moment.

I assume (and hope) the FBI is looking into this very closely. If they havent found anything prosecutable, then what should be done? Or if they are pursuing leads, perhaps to tie this mosque in to catch some bigger fish, then do we necessarily need to prevent that from happening?

I dont mean to frame this in some left-vs-right issue (some of the comments are already laying in to Obama over this, which is a bit silly since it’s not as if this mosque suddenly appeared on January 20). None of us wants the US to suffer another terrorist attack. I just want to know what we should do that is not already being done.

Folks you need to calm down. There is no need to worry. With Leon Panetta, Eric Holder and Diane Feinstien minding the store we should all sleep like babies

Dire Straits on March 5, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Geez Dire, you sure know how to sooth fears and make everyone feel safer…NOT!

I couldn’t believe my ears when I heard Panetta was going to head up the CIA…my first reaction was “huh…waa..WTF, please tell me Obambi’s kidding, it’s a joke, right?”

Unfortunately it’s not a joke, Panetta was a do nothing loser in the Clinton administration and now he’s heading one of our top spy agencies at a critical time when we need people that know what they’re doing, and Panetta doesn’t know shiite!

Scary stuff for sure…

Just saying.

I believe the state needs to step back and take a sober look at how their policies have endangered the rest of the country.

Unfortunately, millions will need to die before this will happen.

Minnesota’s “open arms” attitude toward the “downtrodden” of this world is noble but careless. They are having problems with this Somalian population group and has had social problems within the Hmong neighborhoods as well.

I believe the state needs to step back and take a sober look at how their policies have endangered the rest of the country.

jbh45 on March 6, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Ahhhhhhhhh excuse me…

This is the same MN that is electing a vile horrible little troll as a fricking Senator…

The people of MN are ignorant and stupid and worthless!!!

The State is horrible run, huge unemployment and it has radical Terrorists running loose… Liberal failure x100!

I wish MN just imploded, it’s a wasteland of union crap and far left wack jobs… CA., NY and NJ fit that too… and MI!