Conference call: Rep. John Kline on Card Check

posted at 1:25 pm on March 5, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Rep. John Kline (R-MN) held a conference call among bloggers today to speak about Card Check legislation that will shortly come under consideration in Congress.  Kline represents my district, and is a stalwart on spending and national security.  It comes as no surprise that the former senior military officer would feel strongly about protecting the secret ballot for American workers.

Kline says that if Card Check passes, we will not see another secret ballot in union organizing elections.  Advocates say that the bill just passes the choice for a secret ballot from the employer to the employees, but Kline says that’s simply not true.  If they get a majority of cards in the workshop, the NLRB will recognize the union when the union presents them.  The employees do not have the right to then demand a secret-ballot election.

Kline also noted that unions usually don’t reveal an organizing effort until they get enough cards to provoke an election.  With Card Check, they won’t know about it until the union gets certified.  Employees who don’t want a union would get no real voice in stopping it, either.

One bright spot: Card Check is having a tougher time getting co-sponsors.  “Last year, it was a free pass,” Kline said, as the certainty of its defeat made it an easy way to pander to unions.  With its strong unpopularity among American voters, though, having it passed would create political problems at election time.

Opponents in both the House and Senate have introduced the Secret Ballot Protection Act, including Kline, this week.  They’re actively looking for co-sponsors.  Without that, Card Check will end any hope of secret-ballot elections and the protections against intimidation in the workplace.

Questions:

  • Me: What would happen if they both pass? – Kline says the chances of that approach “zero”.
  • Me: How many co-sponsors to you have? — Over 110, but no Democrats, at least not yet.  Rumor has it some may sign onto it.
  • How would Card Check affect right-to-work states? — It would override any state protections.
  • Janet Beihoffer, SCSU Scholars: Is there any recourse if it passes?  — No.  It would have to be overridden by later legislation and signed by a President.
  • Janet again: Any big PR efforts to publicize the issue? — Kline says yes, mostly operating out of DC.  He can’t coordinate with them due to campaign finance regulations.  Kline also notes that the American people are overwhelmingly opposed to the elimination of the secret ballot.
  • Dan McGrath, Minnesota Majority: How does the Minnesota delegation split on this issue? — Right now, on party lines, which is true pretty much for Congress as a whole.

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How would Card Check affect right-to-work states? — It would override any state protections.

I live in a right-to-work state. I am against Card Check anyway, but I didn’t know this.

ladyingray on March 5, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Ed, with the information from your earlier post, I’ve already emailed 1 of my Dem Senators, urging him to vote NO. Let’s inundate our legislators with calls, emails and fax’s.

ORrighty on March 5, 2009 at 1:36 PM

“We want every vote counted” – remember that?

savvydude on March 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

It’s for our own good, don’t you know.

Badger40 on March 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM

I know a guy who’s retired from GM. He was a paint mixer and was making $90,000 a year. No freakin’ wonder we pay so much for cars. No freakin’ wonder GM’s crashing. Gotta love those unions.

AubieJon on March 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM

AubieJon on March 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I know a guy who worked for a big automaker. I don’t know exactly what he did, but I doubt it was far above paint-mixer.
He’s so rich now that he’s retired he just throws $$ around & has no care about it.
Putz.

Badger40 on March 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM

No one understands the thorny issues of union organization better than the union leaders themselves. Its time we let those who know best free the American workers from these burdensome decisions.

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Our next President is sure going to be busy undoing all this bull$%@#!

elderberry on March 5, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Our next President is sure going to be busy undoing all this bull$%@#!

elderberry on March 5, 2009 at 1:59 PM

That’s if we’re lucky.

If we’re unlucky, we’ll either be stuck with Obama for a long time (repeal of term limits) or be rid of him in a very short time (a revolution where Obama is first against the wall).

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM

If we’re unlucky, we’ll either be stuck with Obama for a long time (repeal of term limits) or be rid of him in a very short time (a revolution where Obama is first against the wall).

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM

There are enough red states that repeal of presidential term limits will not happen. Thank God that the founders allowed amendments by 3/4 of states and not by individual votes.

WashJeff on March 5, 2009 at 2:06 PM

Obama tackles America’s big problems HEAD-ON and changes them into global catastrophes. What a president!

jay12 on March 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Wow, if you think construction cost are high now, wait until all of us little contractors have to go union. As an aside, if you think you are getting shoddy workmanship now, just wait. As it stands the EPA,OSHA, and other government entities have skyrocketed the cost. Want to upgrade or maintain your home? Good luck! This is going to open one smelly can of worms.

N4646W on March 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I hate to say this folks, Americans generously give our Presidents two terms. Only 8 of 43 Presidents have served a single elected term and then were voted out of office.

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM

That’s if we’re lucky.

If we’re unlucky, we’ll either be stuck with Obama for a long time (repeal of term limits) or be rid of him in a very short time (a revolution where Obama is first against the wall).

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Will that wall be made by union labor?

N4646W on March 5, 2009 at 2:14 PM

That’s if we’re lucky.

If we’re unlucky, we’ll either be stuck with Obama for a long time (repeal of term limits) or be rid of him in a very short time (a revolution where Obama is first against the wall).

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Will that wall be made by union labor?

N4646W on March 5, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Only if the revolutionaries like using irony in the process.

(I’m specifically thinking of the saying attributed to Lenin that “capitalists will sell us the rope that we’ll use to hang them.”)

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Good one, I forgot that one.

N4646W on March 5, 2009 at 2:19 PM

How would Card Check affect right-to-work states? — It would override any state protections.

And there you have the two basic thrusts of the legislation. Override state laws, and force unionization of auto plants in the south.

Vashta.Nerada on March 5, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Only 8 of 43 Presidents have served a single elected term and then were voted out of office.

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Its about to be nine, but we’ll have to wait and see if it takes until 2012.

Vashta.Nerada on March 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Only 8 of 43 Presidents have served a single elected term and then were voted out of office.

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM

Those numbers are a little skewed because a number of them (William Henry Harrison, Zach Taylor, James Garfield, Warren G. Harding, JFK, etc.) all died before the end of their first term.

Most of their VPs (John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, and Chester A. Arthur, specifically) didn’t stand a chance of getting elected after serving out their predecessor’s term.

That also doesn’t include people like James K. Polk and Rutherford B. Hayes who chose not to seek a second term. (Polk’s case was truly by choice, while Hayes chose not to due to the nature of the 1876 disputed election that put him in the White House.)

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Its about to be nine, but we’ll have to wait and see if it takes until 2012.

Vashta.Nerada on March 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Maybe not, we may all be so distraught that we may be forced to accept these policies just to survive. My retirement fund has been 80% wiped out.

N4646W on March 5, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Those numbers are a little skewed because a number of them (William Henry Harrison, Zach Taylor, James Garfield, Warren G. Harding, JFK, etc.) all died before the end of their first term.
teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Very true! All told 29 Presidents were “single-termers” by one definition or another.

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 2:29 PM

12 Presidents have served a single elected term – John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Martin Van Buren, James K Polk, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Rutherford B Hayes, Benjamin Harrison, William Howard Taft, Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter and George HW Bush.

4 Presidents – Theodore Roosevelt, Calvin Coolidge, Harry S Truman and Lyndon B Johnson – have succeeded to the Presidency through death, and then gone on to serve a single elected term of their own.

3 Presidents were elected to second terms but failed to complete them. – Abraham Lincoln and William McKinley served only a few weeks or months of their second terms before being assassinated, and Richard M Nixon, resigned 19 months into his second term.

5 Presidents – William H Harrison, Zachary Taylor, James A. Garfield, Warren G Harding, and John F. Kennedy – died during their first terms and so had no opportunity to seek a second.

5 Presidents – John Tyler, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Chester A. Arthur, and Gerald Ford – succeeded from the Vice-Presidency but did not win elected terms of their own.

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM

O/T Did Allahpundit just get dissed by Rush? I’m listening right now, and he mentioned Ed and Michelle, but not Allah.

silenced majority on March 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Yay Ed!! Honorable mention on Rush!! Wooo hooo!!

Califemme on March 5, 2009 at 2:37 PM

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Don’t forget to add “Grover Cleveland won 1 term, lost re-election to Ben Harrison, and then beat Ben Harrison in the rubber-match to become the only US President in history to serve two non-consecutive terms.”

teke184 on March 5, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Opposition ads ought to take some thug-like union scenes from On the Waterfront. What a great movie about, among other things, telling crooked union leaders to shove it.

BuckeyeSam on March 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Forced unionization is unconstitutional for employers and employees.

Harpoon on March 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM

So is gun control’ but that hasn’t slowed the liberals.

darktood on March 5, 2009 at 3:57 PM

“We want every vote counted” – remember that?

savvydude on March 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Counted in front of “Vinny” and “No-neck Bernie”…

right2bright on March 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Counted in front of “Vinny” and “No-neck Bernie”…
right2bright on March 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Not this century.

sethstorm on March 5, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Vashta.Nerada on March 5, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Well, if they weren’t selling out to the foreign interests so easily, we wouldn’t have that problem.

sethstorm on March 5, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Mr Kline is my rep. too and I am very glad to have him. I think Kline and Bachmann are the only “conservatives” MN has in D.C. Unions have outlived their usefulness. They are nothing but self agrandizing pompass jerks. No wonder they get along with the Washington elite.
There is a very large,well known, company in my town that is non-union, people around here flock to their doors every time they open to hiring. People who retire from there are set for life, all WITHOUT a union.
If we lose the right to a secret ballot we might as well say goodby to everything that makes us who we are.
Dear God, please make BO fail and fail BIG.

Proudvet on March 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM

A few months back, I heard Mitt Romney say if card check passes, the unions will go to small businesses with as little as 3 employees.

The added expense will kill small business. Kill jobs.

TN Mom on March 5, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Proudvet on March 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM

The problem is that those companies need to make themselves more common and advertise their human side.

Do that and I’m fine without the unions.

sethstorm on March 6, 2009 at 12:47 PM

CinC on March 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM

My count is more like twenty Presidents who failed to get reelected.

Al in St. Lou on March 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM