Uh oh: Matthews sounding fed up with Obama’s earmark hypocrisy
posted at 8:24 pm on March 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Buckley turning on him was predictable, Brooks turning on him was a pleasant surprise if not unthinkable — but Mr. Leg Thrill? This isn’t the first time he’s expressed exasperation with The One’s performance lately, either. If he’s losing Matthews, whither the rest of the media’s Hopenchange sycophants?
As Ace notes, Obama’s not indifferent to all extravagant spending. Just the kind that might improve America’s defense.
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Hogwash!
This is Obama’s baby, he promised the country he would not allow this and he lied. Who next are you going to blame for his lack of character and competence . . . the dog that ate the kid’s homework?
rplat on March 5, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Gerorge BushObama: “Read my lips, nonew taxesmore pork”BrianA on March 5, 2009 at 8:49 AM
Gosh, if only there had been an anti-earmark candidate Matthews could have supported.
If only someone could have examined Obama’s record to see what his position on government excess would be.
Too bad nobody investigated the sort of people that Obama would surround himself with if elected.
hawksruleva on March 5, 2009 at 8:52 AM
athensboy – GOP earmarks are evil, too. If Obama wants to cut him, it’d give me an issue on which I can support him.
Oh – and I’m thinking 60% of earmarks cost more than 40% of earmarks? So the Dems are still stealing more of my money for their rotten purposes. What turns my stomach is that we finally get a little more light on the pork, but there’s noone left willing to cut the fat.
Who’s John Galt, anyway?
hawksruleva on March 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM
My dismal oppinion of Chris Mathews just went up one notch.
Ernest on March 5, 2009 at 9:02 AM
I have to say, there is an increasingly disturbing pattern within this whitehouse to break campaign pledges without explanation. I love the direction he’s moving the country in on 90% of his domestic agenda, I love the way he’s changing the discourse about how government can be a part of people’s lives without “ruling them” or making them slaves.
But I’m entirely miffed that he doesn’t feel the need to say “I said this before, here’s why I’ve changed my mind.” Specifically because part of what was compelling about him was his willingness to point out that Bush flip flopped too, but he did it without really engaging people, he was the dreaded “decider.” And when it comes to earmarks in the omnibus bill (which don’t make up a significant chunk of the Federal budget no matter how you slice it) his utter silence is deafening and dissapointing. Now please before people are like “YOU CAN’T SAY YOU EVER DISAGREED WITH THE MESSIAH!!!!” uh…yes I can. It’s called free will.
DeathToMediaHacks on March 5, 2009 at 9:20 AM
Neither, President Obama or his supporter understand the Poly in politics. The many (poly) do not want and will not tolerate many more irresponsible actions of a liberal leader and their supporters.
The poly understand the Constitution better then their elected (anointed) leader/lord. But, when the leader/lord no longer support the military, they are in violation of their oath of office to defend U.S. against all enemies foreign and domestic (which include the leaders/lords supporters).
I will leave the type of punishment up to those who are impacted.
MSGTAS on March 5, 2009 at 9:22 AM
It’s a trap, don’t do it.
JeffinOrlando on March 5, 2009 at 9:23 AM
That worked out well for Bush 41, didn’t it.
BrianA on March 5, 2009 at 9:24 AM
I wonder if Chris Mathews still has that “thrill running up his leg”?
Uniblogger on March 5, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Matthew’s guests were predictably defending Obama with weak arguments.
“But they came from last year’s bill. He’ll do better next time.”
Isn’t that the argument an alcoholic or smoker trying to quit uses? “Don’t worry, I’ll quit. I just need to use the rest of my smokes/cases of beer left over.”
Then the other guest said, “Well the economy is in trouble. That’s why we need over 8,000 earmarks.”
What does earmarks have anything to do with the economy? This person was splicing together two separate things.
Frank T.J Mackey on March 5, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Easy advice to follow.
Ernest on March 5, 2009 at 9:29 AM
When an entity controls the disposition of 40+% of the output of your labor and your benefit from that disposition is less than what you pay in, what else is it but “ruling them”? Lincoln said as much when he said slavery was immoral because one man should never alienate the fruits of another man’s labor from him.
They used to say that Russian had no word for “private”, so the Russians wouldn’t mind the abolition of private property because it wasn’t part of their “discourse”. Well, lo and behold, turns out the Russians didn’t really like the abolition of private property, whether or not they had a word for it.
I realize wrapping your head around the philosophy of individual rights is cognitively challenging and an unnatural act in light of the collectivism of most of human history, but it’s also necessary if we’re to advance as a species.
If you haven’t read Book One of Wyndham Lewis’ “Time and Western Man” on “The Revolutionary Simpleton”, you’re missing a great chance to have a mirror held up to yourself. You probably won’t like what you see, but there it is.
venividivici on March 5, 2009 at 9:32 AM
The depths these people will go to to defend the Messiah is sickening. “He has bigger things to focus on” 410 billion in pork is treated as chump change. Why don’t they just admit it is all political payback?? Yeah and we are supposed to believe the next one will have no pork…yeah right.
Really weird to have Matthews criticize the Agitater in Chief…
Buckeye Babe on March 5, 2009 at 9:40 AM
What a bunch of PITA beta males.
molonlabe28 on March 5, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Hell freezes over, pigs fly, and the thrill is gone.
Miwagi on March 5, 2009 at 9:44 AM
My, now that’s naive. What on earth made you think he’d keep them in the first place? HopenChange? I know, that expression’s jaded already, but so is believing in the promises of a Chicago machine politician. It really is.
RepubChica on March 5, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Thank you.
My take has always been one of the morality behind individual liberty. I have always seen labor as private property, well, because it is just that. Those who don’t accept that self evident truth are either blinded by their communitarian philosophy or enablers of evil, which makes them evil as well.
If one cannot accept the inalienable right to private property what else can they be but a tyrant willing to use the force of government to confiscate that which does not belong to them.
Power is an evil intoxicant, that’s why it is a must that the individual be allowed to express his upward mobility. It is either the individual that expresses it or the political beast, the choice is ours.
True_King on March 5, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Hmm, I’m on board with this guy for about 90 percent of whats he’s doing. I do have a problem with ten percent of what he lied about on the campaign trail. Other than that, he’s been just great. Except for all the things he lied about. Other than that, I am so glad I supported him.
Damn I hope he wasn’t lying about anything else.
geez, my side hurt when I was typing that. Wiping tears from my eyes.
hawkdriver on March 5, 2009 at 9:54 AM
You must be from Europe. In Europe they have always been serfs so they don’t mind being slaves as long as the Master takes care of them.
This is America. A land of free people. We came here to escape the oppression of dicatators like Barack Obama. Free people can smell a control freak. YOU CAN’T! Go live in Europe where the government can control your thoughts and actions.
LEAVE MY FREEDOM ALONE!!!!! I’ll take my chances on my own!!!! Get out of my life Barack Obama!!!!!
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 10:05 AM
Chris Matthews likes to think with Our Dear Leader President Obama, but if he could do that, he would be president. So I must discount this moron as he is daring to say John McCain could be right in any way, shape or form. Mr. Obama has more pressing matters to take care of, like attacking Rush Limbaugh and those evil stock market profit grubbing wretches daring to say he is tanking the market. He likes signing bills, not actually reading them. I think Chris needs to get that through his head!
Africanus on March 5, 2009 at 10:06 AM
He’s a politician, not a statesman. Whatever positions he took during the campaign were designed to get him elected. What few principles he does have are of the kind that are detrimental to the country rather than helpful. Keep watching the difference between he says and what he does and you may come to understand why so many of us are opposed to him.
backwoods conservative on March 5, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Poor McCain was really upset on the floor.
Until he learned that his party got the most pork in this bill and retreated.
The President threw the gop a bone on this one but wants John’s help in getting the line item veto.
I am shocked you are not calling your gop reps that got this pork to express your outrage.
What’s up with that?
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 10:10 AM
And further more Obama hasn’t changed anything about the discourse. HE HAS SILENCED HIS OPPOSITION BY TAKING OVER THE MEDIA AND FILLING IT WITH LIKE MIND FOOLS! LIKE YOU.
Obama’s programs have shown he is only interested in total and complete power. He is a madman.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 10:11 AM
You are a liar. This is not about Republican versus Democrat!!!!! Not to McCain and not to most Americans. This isn’t a sporting event. This is the life and death of the American dream! McCain knows that.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Obama has blantantly lied to our faces. Even some shameless people don’t take kindly to being lied to over and over and over again. Voter’s remorse is starting to set in and it will only grow from here on out.
I know some people who voted for B. Hussien who are LIVID!!!!!
As for Crissy…..let’s wait and see how this plays out. Maybe after he is invited over for one of the Wed. night WH parties for beer and cookies with the Paparazzi Prez the tingley feeling will no longer be numb.
Winebabe on March 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Socialist progressive liberal revisionism:
Non-profit organizations can no longer tolerate charities, as the opportunistic takers must have it all for themselves, giving nothing in return beyond their fecal matter. There is no room in Socialism for competition.
maverick muse on March 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Life and death?
Come on, it is a spending bill.
Of course, the President wants that money out there to help the economy and create jobs.
He chose to pass on fighting this.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Aww Obama is going gray and Chrissy only likes young guys.
marklmail on March 5, 2009 at 10:20 AM
I’d suggest you read some John Stuart Mill, but there’s more than one way of assessing cost, and no I don’t just mean something fluffy like the emotional cost of seeing poor people in the streets. For example, we know that without the public education system scores of our citizens would not be able to afford an education, disqualifying them from the job market. More unemployment = more crime, those are great costs to the society. You could say “lock them up.” But we already have the biggest inmate population in the civilized world, in a society without significant tax revenue to pay for education you’d merely end up paying for more prisons and because felony convictions make it impossible to get a decent job it’s not a far slope to just making those without the means to educate themselves into a new class of slaves.
Or take an issue like healthcare. Can we agree bankrupcies are bad for the health of the nation’s economy. The number of middle class Americans with jobs who made responsible choices and who have private health insurance who go bankrupt because a relative has cancer or because the insurance company has found a way to deny coverage is legion and it’s growing. The “cost” to you as someone in the 40$ tax bracket is that less consumers are able to buy the kinds of products that keep growth going when their helathcare straps them financially.
This is the philosophy behind the different between Adam Smith’s classical liberalism and Mill/Keynesian liberalism. The market has demonstrated an inability to produce conditions that sustain a standard of living at the lowest levels that do not eventually spill into the middle class. And believe me, we know that the middle class worked HARD to do all they could to seperate (suburbs, private school etc.) But to pretend like the lowering of the standard of living of the working class (the majority of Americans) will not hurt your bank accounts is silly.
DeathToMediaHacks on March 5, 2009 at 10:21 AM
All 3 are full of crap… GET THE PORK OUT OF THE BUDGET, THE STIMULOUS, THE OMNIBUS BILL, and on and on and on… Small potatoes??? OMG, this makes me sick..
Funny they don’t show that clip with Obama saying that about going line by line to veto pork… Fox is showing it, MSNPS doesn’t??
reshas1 on March 5, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Good job . . . attack the other side and forget that your god figure lied to you and the rest of his cult.
rplat on March 5, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Also. I don’t want to have another meaningless debate about slavery. But can we agree that slavery happened? And so…we know what it actually looks like correct? I find it incredibly offensive when people declare that being taxed at a rate that coincides with significant personal income or property ownership (not possible for slaves) is NOT slavery. It may be unfair, you could even say it violates some civil right to income. But it diminishes the harsh realities of slavery to suggest that taxation = slavery. But I don’t blame you as our founding fathers often called what the British did to them as “slavery” even as they held people in actual bondage (I feel like that should be the example used in the dictionary when defining slavery). Shouldn’t we, as (hopefully) more enlightened on the immorality of slavery than they were be able to distinguish between a legit grievance against taxation and calling it slavery?
DeathToMediaHacks on March 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I feel like that should be the example used in the dictionary when defining
slaveryirony)Ooops.
DeathToMediaHacks on March 5, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Can we skip ahead to the John Galt speech? This is the part that is, well, depressing.
GunRunner on March 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Yeah. I want a fast forward. We already know what happens next.
lorien1973 on March 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM
When a government owns your bank, your mortgage, your earnings and your death. What do you call it?
lorien1973 on March 5, 2009 at 10:52 AM
But Messiah’s can’t lie……………….can they?
Cinday Blackburn on March 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Chris Matthews has no intention of being honest. Obama is not going to veto a bill with pork in it. That is what these sock pupppets were told to tell us.
If we are broke, we have no money for earmarks.
Obama changed. He made promises and now he changes and breaks promises.
seven on March 5, 2009 at 10:56 AM
When the majority of what you earn goes to the government…and you will be thrown in jail if you do not let them take your money…and you basically have no rights, but are guilty until proven innocent…you are indeed enslaved by that system.
The govt. will seize your assets, without any hearing, without any representation by you…when they think you owe them money, they will take whatever they want, then you have to prove it is yours and not theirs. They have teams of attorneys, which you are paying for, and you won’t be able to afford even one…so the state will provide you with one, who works for the govt. and is on their payroll, paid by your taxes…hence the word…SLAVERY
right2bright on March 5, 2009 at 11:02 AM
After reading all the challenges the last administration left for him to clean up, I lowered my expectations because a new he could not clean it all up in 40 days.
Lets get real, it will take decades to clean up your hero’s disasters.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Mathews is a dim bulb.
dogsoldier on March 5, 2009 at 11:07 AM
He chose to pass on fighting this.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Then he is a LIAR. Period. You are an idiot apologist.
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM
“Don’t you think the Dow would stop dropping if we had a President who would stop signing pork bills?”
Ha! Chrissy nails it.
notta_dhimmi on March 5, 2009 at 11:11 AM
After reading all the challenges the last administration left for him to clean up, I lowered my expectations because a new he could not clean it all up in 40 days.
Lets get real, it will take decades to clean up your hero’s disasters.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Ahhh…more useful idiocy from one our premier useful idiots!
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM
How many campaign promises did w keep?
Again, look at all the challenges he faces and his agenda is to get money out there and create jobs.
Perhaps you will call your reps that got this pork and yell at them and tell them to give the President the line item veto.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Hey dipstick . . . take your idiocy to KOS where you’ll be appreciated.
rplat on March 5, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Typical name calling but not reading any rebuttals to my arguments.
Can you do better than just name calling?
Grow up and debate.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I can’t help but be offended by the hypocrisy of it all…it’s like stink being fed up with crap!
DanaSmiles on March 5, 2009 at 11:21 AM
EVERYTHING Obama has done since taking office has been exactly opposite of what will stimulate the markets and restore confidence.
I believe Obama is a smart man. Therefore, noone could behave so stupidly unless he had a desire to destroy the capitalism of America. The freedom of America.
Yes life and death of the dream and promise that is America. The American dream is about self determination. It isn’t about someonelse taking care of you. It is about striking out on your–own testing your own wits building a life on your own.
Obama (and your) apparent dream is to take away pain and surrendering your soul to the state.
Obama’s plans are as good as locking us all in prison and feeding us three meals a day, and giving us healthcare and keeping the building at certain temperature…etc. That life is not the American dream! It is not the dream of a free people!
It is the weakness of people too afraid of failure to risk anything. This is not Europe. We are not afraid to fail. My ancestors conquered a continent!!!!! What do I have to fear from a little poverty now and then? I can suffer pain and survive. If I don’t survive it I pass on that percious freedom to my children. I am free. They are free. For generations we have been free. Until now.
My birthright is to make decisions and enjoy or suffer the consequences of those decisions!!!! Obama is taking away my birthright.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Perhaps you will call your reps that got this pork and yell at them and tell them to give the President the line item veto.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I’ve already done that! Don’t need suggestions from little trolls like you to do my due diligence.
Every president since Truman has asked for the line item veto. The supreme court ruled that it is strips the authority of the Congress to conduct its business. Therefore, he won’t get it either. Why don’t you ask YOUR Dem controlled congress to give it to him. If they wanted to they could. The republicans can block NOTHING! IT will be challenged in court again, an again it will not be given. Face it, this president LIED. I don’t care what W promised or didn’t promise. He isn’t the President anymore junior.
Lower expectations all you need to, that won’t shore up the fact that this guy has no principles or character. Everything comes w/an expiration date!
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Please tell me the freedom you are losing.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:26 AM
When the Democrats took over congress (the purse strings) the economy was at record highs…in the middle of two wars!
They successfully dismantled the economy and sucessfully blamed Bush. Bush caved to their spending to keep up the war effort. The irony that the Iraqis will have freedom and we are taken over by the communists!
Yes I blame Bush for that but we didn’t lose a war. And who could have thought there were so many cowards in America that they can’t face economic downturns without panic and would turn their life over to a dictator begging him to fix their lives. I am disgusted by anyone who supports this.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Debt sir, is slavery.
Obama has doomed us all to slavery.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:30 AM
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Well, I remember reading the outrage on pork on this blog but good for you to call your rep.
For those in Miss., those Senators led on this bill for the most pork.
I will argue changing the way Washington does business will take much longer than 40 days.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM
I couldn’t agree more. getalife is one of the most childish lefties I can remember on here. He has the same schtick and angle of argument every. single. time. It’s tiring actually, like chasing around a toddler all day.
MarkABinVA on March 5, 2009 at 11:31 AM
My rep is John Shadegg. He understands what is going on and has tried in vain to get others to see what is happening.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Debt sir is a fact on how our economy works.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Yes . . . how about this. Your rebuttals are nonsense and are not worthy of discourse.
rplat on March 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM
How dare you refer to Bill Clinton as my hero!!
getalife, explain to me this. What specifically caused/is causing the economic “uncertainty” we are now facing? I will judge your intellect and basic understanding of economics in relation to government by how you answer that one little question. Thus far you have expressed nothing more than gross generalizations as if you were intending to agitate rather than discuss openly. I’m sure that isn’t the case though so I won’t hold anything you’ve said thus far against you. That is, if you dare answer my little question with specifics. Should I hold my breath?
Zetterson on March 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM
The President sets the policies and agenda. He has the power to veto and he never did unless it was something the dems wanted.
You give him a free pass and that sir is disgusting.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Is the tingle gone?
Tzetzes on March 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Oh, he’s done plenty to change. None of it good. He’s put the markets in panic as well as a growing number of citizens.
MarkABinVA on March 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM
That’s a lot of lines.
Tzetzes on March 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM
rplat on March 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Obviously, you are not up to the challenge.
For those giving the last administration a free pass and blaming them for nothing, that is intellectual cowardice.
Man up.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Please tell me the freedom you are losing.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I’ll tell you. The freedom to choose how, where, when and what my money will be spent on. Freedom from govt. interference in my life, my savings, my children’s lives. Obama will confiscate my wealth and redsitribute as he sees fit. I can do that myself, thank you. He is screwing my investments and my children’s college savings funds. Everytime he opens his gob, the dow drops. He needs to STFU and stop spending our money on all his pet projects. I don’t want his HEALTHCARE, but we will be bound to it, b/c there will be no competition when it comes. The insurance industry will not be able to compete w/the govt. on price. They can’t already. That is why we people who have insurance pick up the tab for everyone else, including Medicare and Medicaid recipients. The MEDI say “we will pay $1,000 for a $4,000 procedure.” Who pays the other $3k? We do. Insurance can’t compete w/that once he puts in place a govt. sponsored program for all. So everyone will eventually be forced to join the Govt. plan.
President Govt. is taking our freedoms away everyday by restricting our choices. Death by a thousand cuts…
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM
MarkABinVA on March 5, 2009 at 11:37 AM
The market is doing better than daddy’s bush’s recession.
I think it was around 5000.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I do not give Bush a pass. But debt in a time of war is understandable. But debt incurred for the first stimulus was bad enough!
But this President has admitted he is spending money with no goal or plan. He has agreed to double our debt for no purpose and that bill does not produce stimulus for YEARS! if at all.
It is so he can put his stupid logo on his projects and have a legacy. A FALSE LEGACY!!!!!
EVERYTHING Obama is doing is a lie. But he owns you and your mind and the media and the truth will never prevail in America again! All things are named in an Orwellian manner. The opposite of what they truly are.
I am offended at the name of his next round of spending “Responsible”=–not hardly!
It’s all lies. It’s all enslavement to the state.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Your tax money?
Seriously?
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM
His tax cuts with two wars gave is over a trillion in debt sir. He did not put the wars on the budget.
You are giving him a free pass.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM
rplat on March 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Recessions are a natural part of market economics. They happen. But Obama has taken a natural market downturn and turned it into a world wide disaster!!!!
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM
So he starts by naming tax evaders, and tax cheats to cabinet positions?
He spends his time, during one of the most troubling economic times, holding strategy meetings for a talk show host “offense”?
Yeah, he is off to a good start…first he needs to fill his cabinet with honest people, which he is yet to do…then he needs to focus on our economic problems, instead of a talk show host…then he needs to show some leadership, rather then relying on Carville, Begala, Rahm, and other Clinton cast offs.
While our country is declining, he is in hiding…even can’t face our strongest and most reliable ally the Brits.
Meanwhile, padding the press corps with his favorites.
right2bright on March 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM
I remember watching C-Span when the gop had total power. Talk about spending. Totally out of control.
The President inherited a 1.4 trillion dollar debt, two wars, and close to a depression.
Stop giving w a free pass. He was a disaster.
Man up.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM
For Matthews to question or go against Obama, means that he is questioning or going against himself.
That will not happen.
As a wise man once said:
“Once you get the thrill up the leg, the thrillee cannot un-embrace the thriller.”
albill on March 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Obama believes all my money is tax money.
Did you miss the last two elections? Did you miss Bush’s approval ratings?
Fiscal Conservatives were the first to go after Bush. That is how he lost congress! If that is a pass I would like to see what holding accountable is.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:50 AM
getalife
If he is taking more and more of my money thru his regressive taxes, income taxes, taxing my deductions, cap and trade bullsh*t tax, increased capital gains tax, the list goes on and on…then yes he is taking more and more of MY money and putting it where I do not want it. He is restricting MY freedom to spend my discretionary money thru crushing taxation. We will be getting food rations from the govt. if he gets his utopia. He will control everything, b/c we will have no descretionary income to spend anywhere WE wish to spend it.
Don’t be an *ss!
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM
getalife, this is a blatant straw man argument. I’m not sure if you are new to this site or what but George Bush is not necessarily held in very high esteem around these parts. He is regularly and harshly beaten up for spending exessively (our money), being pro-amnesty/illegal immigration, pro-racial preferences, etc. It seems to me that the person avoiding the substance of this discussion is you.
Zetterson on March 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM
You are giving Obama a pass. He should never have taken this job if he didn’t have a better understanding of Wall Street and the economy! To announce during the worst time in business history that he is going to take all the future profits of business and use them for new entitlement programs should be an impeachable offense.
Obama is stupid he had MONTHS to get it right and he failed!!!! Obama doesn’t even know what he doesn’t know!!!!
And by the way. Bush isn’t president anymore. This crisis belongs to Obama. Bush didn’t try to pass the war on terror off on Clinton. He never tried to put the blame where we all know it belonged. He knew that was unproductive and made it his own. That is what a real leader does.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM
@ getalife “The President inherited a 1.4 trillion dollar debt, two wars, and close to a depression.”
Now in less than three months Obama has given us a $4-6+ trillion dollar debt, still two wars (and expanding one), and we are in a depression and it gets worse every day.
Not excusing Bush and his overspending, but he inherited a huge tech stock market bubble which burst and crashed the economy, the U.S. was seriously attacked by terrorists which crashed the economy…
albill on March 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM
right2bright on March 5, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Wow, that was very honest.
Come on.
Hiding, yeah right.
Can you list his accomplishments so far?
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 11:57 AM
See, the reason why we cannot have a substantive conversation with this getalife girl is because she doesn’t understand the basics. In order to talk about any topic we have to take 99 steps backwards and explain to you how things in the real world work. Are you still in college? High School? Because once you progress beyond that part of your life you should begin to understand some of these basics.
Zetterson on March 5, 2009 at 11:59 AM
The President inherited a 1.4 trillion dollar debt, two wars, and close to a depression.
getalife
Now you are really floundering around.
Obama has tripled the debt in a month!
We were no where near a Depression. If you don’t know that, you truly are an idiot. We were closest to a depression in the late 70s under Carter when we had double digit unemployment and rates were 18% and gas was rationed. You probaly don’t remember that b/c you born in the boon of the 80s. Christ. What does the Gen Y bunch even know about hardship? We are not near a Depression now, but he’s doing his darndest to prolong a recession and possibly creat a depression w/his insane spending and tax policies.
JAM on March 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM
getalife is a sad, predictable cartoon character. why are you bothering?
lorien1973 on March 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Obama to AMeSsNBC:
jhogan7777 on March 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM
albill on March 5, 2009 at 11:56 AM
After the tech bubble busted the money went in housing and it busted.
I will argue this bubble busted under w.
Paulson started the socialism for the banks after w said Wall Street got drunk.
But the choice of doing nothing and letting the economy collapse was not an option.
And here we are.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I know, you are right. Its like trying to light a pile of rain soaked logs with a spark. Thanks for snapping me out of it lorien.
Zetterson on March 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM
I wish that were true. I think there is a huge part of the electorate who thinks this is about Republicans versus Democrats. Like they were sports teams and there was not anymore consequence to government actions than whose team wins the next election.
This goes for both sides. getalife is a symptom of that.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM
That was not the choices. That is one of the biggest lies of this administration thus far. Noone said we should do nothing. A targeted stimulus plan of job building and future tax cuts, at least leaving the tax rates alone so business could know better how to plan… but to actually announce that taxes are going to be the subject of debate and that new programs that have no source of income but new taxes… that is just irresponsible and plain stupid!!!
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM
This goes for both sides. getalife is a symptom of that.
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Actually, I am Independent of party and ideology.
I look at the facts, the challenges, and proposals not blinded by partisan politics.
I think we are in a crisis that wanting the President to fail is not an option.
I will support our President to try to save our country from economic collapse.
It was a nice discussion.
Have a great day.
getalife on March 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM
I want Obama’s new plans to make us all dependent on government to fail. That is my freedom he is taking with his dependence. I will fight that!!!
petunia on March 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM
venividivici, here are a couple of good links:
THE PEOPLE’S CUBE takes off the comic’s mask, and hits Obama/Don Quixote with it:
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=2859
A Bush-hating atheist explains fascism for DTMH and Getalife:
http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm
ebrown2 on March 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM
But the choice of doing nothing and letting the economy collapse was not an option.
And here we are.
getalife
Typical liberal talking point. Suggesting that the only alternative to the big-eared freak’s plan was to do nothing is dishonest. Even if it were true, as an alternative to a socialistic, wealth-destroying creator of generational indebtedness “nothing” doesn’t sound so bad.
SKYFOX on March 5, 2009 at 12:19 PM
petunia on March 5, 2009
Sorry, petunia. Your rant wasn’t posted while I was writing my rant, so our rants seem to have collided. Wasn’t trying to be a copycat. I guess some rants are universal.
SKYFOX on March 5, 2009 at 12:23 PM
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