The obligatory “Rush challenges Obama to a debate” post
posted at 5:15 pm on March 4, 2009 by Allahpundit
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The transcript of this afternoon’s stemwinder is up at his site. Will Gibbs take the bait tomorrow, “counterproductive” though it may be? I’m guessing no, but hope for easy content springs eternal.
A choice passage:
But make no mistake about it. Emanuel is the leader of all of this. Carville and Begala are just trying to ride my fame into their fortune and become relevant again. Begala and Carville, don’t confuse them with the power brokers that are managing this. It all Emanuel. Begala and Carville are second-rate talking heads on CNN. CNN has no audience. Rahm Emanuel is the power behind the throne — and don’t let his effeminate nature and his ballerina past mislead you on this. He may look effeminate (he was a ballerina at one time) but he has the feral instincts of a female rat defending its young. Well, take a look. When Emanuel and Carville and Begala are together (and I’ve seen pictures) it looks like a reunion of the Village People. (singing) Y! M! C! A!
And the big finish:
Rahm Emanuel is leading the team going after a private citizen, and the Drive-By Media applaud, get on board and help further the mission. We live in different times. So if you can wipe me out — and, by the way, Mr. President, and Mr. Emanuel: Don’t make the mistake of assuming I’m wiping myself out here in the process. I want to thank you guys for elevating me beyond the stature I already earned and achieved, because now more and more Americans have the opportunity to learn who you really are, what your ideas will really accomplish, and what damage and harm I think your policies will bring for a very, very long time to them and to this country. So I want to thank you for the opportunity. Obviously, it’s a threat targeting me. I’ve extended the invitation. I’m looking forward to hearing back from whoever in your cabal one way or the other on accepting my offer.
RCP has audio if you’d rather listen. Exit question: I’ve been arguing about this all day with commenters and still haven’t gotten a good answer. Why the fixation on Rush as a “private citizen”? The idea, I take it, is that Obama’s bringing the enormous power of the presidency to bear on a poor, defenseless Joe Public, but Limbaugh’s anything but defenseless (as today’s debate challenge proves) and considerably more powerful, I think we’d all agree, than the average congressman who would be considered fair game as a public official. If the White House had picked him out of a phone book or was rooting around in his trash, that’d be an egregious breach of privacy, but he’s one of the most powerful people in American media, with a following in the millions, and they haven’t done anything untoward (yet?). In fact, strictly speaking, they’re not “going after” him at all. They’re going after the GOP, to tar them by association with Rush and they’re willing to inflate his influence to do so. It’s Republicans who are suffering from having to thread the needle between defending Limbaugh and rejecting the “I want him to fail” rhetoric. What harm has Rush suffered? His stature’s never been greater, as he himself acknowledges right here.
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I love the Enemies List — it’s exactly the right metaphor, even if the list only has one name.
unclesmrgol on March 5, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Does anybody have any doubt if the Constitution did not exist and Obama had established a totalitarian one-party state reinforced by ‘his own civilian army’ that Rush Limbaugh would have by now be arrested, detained without trial, forced to undergo torture (not waterboarding) and eventually die from malnutrition and incessant beatings?
In other words, are Obama and his merry men and women that nasty, ruthless and bloodthirsty, or are they typical of traditional Americans who believe in fair play, free speech and ‘giving a sucker an even break’?
technopeasant on March 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I explained it to you very carefully and thoroughly in the other thread AP. You chose to ignore it or willfully disregard it.
Rush doesn’t have the FBI, IRS, BATF, DOJ, Secret Service, an army of PIs and talking video heads nor the POWER OF THE ELECTED OFFICE BEHIND HIM. He has no real power. Hussein on the other hand can have his Mic shut off.
Also it is immoral, unethical and probably illegal for the POTUS to treat an American Citizen worse than terrorists.
The president is using teh power of his elected office to attack, impune, humiliate, cause disrespect and scorn to an American Citizen, which we are NOT allowed to do to proper enemy soldiers, under the terms of the Geneva convention.
dogsoldier on March 5, 2009 at 11:18 AM
For what it is worth I left an email at whitehouse.gov asking if Obama will accept the challenge in light of the clear efforts on the part of Gibbs and Emmanuel to denigrate and demonize Rush. Feel free to do the same. Let’s see if our dear leader has any backbone.
mrveritas on March 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Oh and Hussein showed during the campaign a willingness to use the DOJ to go after his enemies. A powerful man in Texas put out a commercial about Hussein and his pal Ayers. Hussein’s goon squad harrassed the DOJ to shut the guy up. It didnt work then, but he’s president now.
dogsoldier on March 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Give me a freaking break. You really have swallowed the Kool-Aid on this one. How is Rush being “humiliated”? Give me one example.
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I don’t see the word ‘humiliated’ in the post you have referred to.
It’s just damned wrong to treat a law-abiding citizen of the USA worse than you would treat an Islamofascist or domestic terrorist.
Should Rush Limbaugh be considered by Obama as ‘an enemy of the state’?
Is loving your country passionately passe and counterproductive?
technopeasant on March 5, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Very simple, Allah. By definition, Limbaugh – not being elected to public office – is a private citizen, just like you, me, and any Hollymoonbat is – he has rights. Just because he is a public FIGURE doesn NOT change the fact he is a private citizen.
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=private%20citizen
Governement exists to exert force, it’s force is real.
Limbaugh is responding in the way he has available to him.
PJ Emeritus on March 5, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Here:
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 11:40 AM
So Rush is in prison now?
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM
If republicans are rejecting the “I want him to fail” rhetoric, they are making a mistake.
Vashta.Nerada on March 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I’m convinced Rush would be imprisoned now without trial if it were not for the Constitution.
Obama is as ruthless SOB as they come and follows the Alinsky playbook to a T. Only the Constitution stands in his way of eventually becoming a permanent President like Castro or Chavez and presiding over a totalitarian state. In the next 2-6 years the Messiah will be out to remove that obstacle. I have no doubt of that whatsoever.
technopeasant on March 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Just thought I’d put my $.02 in here. I am not what you would call an avid Rush listener, but I used to listen to his show on occasion. Ironically, I listened to his show back when I held a more liberal point of view than I do now.
Irrespective of my personal listening habits, I just feel it should be the lowest priority for a sitting President of the United States to actually make direct comments at a talk radio host. I can’t recall ever hearing any comments coming from Reagan, Bush, or G.W. Bush that were directed towards any liberal talk show host(s).
Rush, while being provacative and, perhaps even incendiary, at times, gave a fantastic speech at CPAC. I am fairly new at following the Conservative movement, and embracing those points of view. In my opinion, he illustrated beautifully what it means, or should mean, to be a Conservative.
PburgJason on March 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I’m convinced Rush would be imprisoned now without trial if it were not for the Constitution.
LOL… that dictator Obama is going to send Rush to GITMO!!! They are waterboarding Rush.. a private American citizen!!! Get yer rifles!!!
lexhamfox on March 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Obama is releasing them now
Elric66 on March 5, 2009 at 11:58 AM
What we would do without Rush? Think about it!
Cinday Blackburn on March 5, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Somewhat off topic. Here is an example of another citizen/commentator, Jim Cramer, fighting back against the White House.
http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/news/cramer-my-response-white-house?page=1
Read the whole thing, he quotes what Rush said yesterday and agrees that he won’t shut up about the harm Obama’s agenda is doing to millions of people in this country without a fight.
txmomof6 on March 5, 2009 at 12:30 PM
The nut-roots are out in force, go take this poll..
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123612000246123253.html#project%3DWSJNBC090302%26articleTabs%3Dinteractive
reshas1 on March 5, 2009 at 12:34 PM
For the filming of his documentary SiCKO, Michael Moore took sick 9/11 workers to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba to help them obtain free medical care. “The (rescue workers) just want medical attention!” Moore shouts into a loudspeaker in the movie, in a futile attempt to win over the security guards. “The same kind Al Qaeda is getting!” In May, Moore announced that the Treasury Department launched an investigation into his trip, examining “whether he had violated restrictions on travel to Cuba.”
Didn’t the Bush administration issue a subpoena against Michael Moore for going to Cuba?
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Right. But not just any private citizen. He hammers Obama every day for hours for millions of listeners, and then the White House turns around and says something as meager as “He’s the head of the Republican Party,” and suddenly a terrible line has been crossed?
Allahpundit on March 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
How hard is this to get Allah, at the end of the day he is still a private citizen like you or me, while Obama and his goons are elected officials! Kind of sounds like your jealous of Rush, just saying
Texas Dude on March 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Yeah, after he committed a felony
PJ Emeritus on March 5, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Rush is like the heckler at Obama’s basketball game. Sure, he’s obnoxious. Sure, he goes out of his way to be a distraction and a pest. Maybe he has an air gun in both hands, but he’s still just a member of the crowd (private citizen).
A professional player should be able to tune him out, but Obama hasn’t done that. He’s acknowledged Rush, and in his passive-aggressive way thrown taunts right back in his direction.
Aside from being unprofessional and unbecoming, the problem for Obama now is that Rush is challening him. As it turns out, the heckler in the crowd actually knows his way around the court…probably more so than the professional rookie. So, what’s a foolish rookie to do? Take the challenge and risk showing the world that he’s less qualified than some Joe Schmoe from the crowd that happened to get under his skin, or look cowardly as he shies away from the heckler that he bravely egged on moments before from the safety of his position?
Ok, so maybe I’m taking the analogy too far, but now Obama is stuck with this dilemma he and his cronies cooked up. So, which is it, Team O? Is Rush the voic of the GOP — in which case, a debate seems perfectly reasonable (especially since Obama has yet to really leave the campaign trail)? Or is Rush just some heckler in the crowd (”just a private citizen”), in which case his name should never have been quoted from Obama’s lips in the first place.
I agree with you, Allah, that Rush is probably able to handle himself more than just your average public citizen, but that’s sort of beside the point, I think. By reminding the people that he’s not a public official, he reenforces Obama’s dillema.
BlueCollarAstronaut on March 5, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Allah, I know that some comments really get on your nerves but do you have to lose your cool over it and start insulting the site’s readers? How about a little professionalism? Or maybe you want to make readers so ticked off they stop coming to Hot Air?
I feel like I’m witnessing your political identity crisis on a daily basis. It’s getting to the point I don’t want to read any news headline with Allahpundit because I know it’s going to contain some negativity against the GOP and condescending responses toward readers who comment. It’s sucking the life out of this site.
Christina_M on March 5, 2009 at 1:35 PM
Christina_M
Agreed. But sometimes the headlines are really enticing even when I know he’s going to be snarky, condescending and negative. Maybe it’s the masochist in me. You know what a masochist is, right? That’s someone who beats his head against the wall cause it feels so good to stop.
SKYFOX on March 5, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I love this…
Mark Garnett on March 5, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Rush just thanked Ed, Michelle & HA for support. He also referred to some oddballs here.
OmahaConservative on March 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Damn straight. AP sucks.
Suffering my ass. If they weren’t such a pack of gutless liars they’d be working dawn to dusk to CRUSH OBAMA and they’d say so loudly, frequently and with Pride instead of shucking and jiving before their MSM masters.
To hell with this phony conservative metro bullshit. Every individual right in this country is under attack from the left. If you don’t have the stones to fight face to face then you have no purpose as a conservative in today’s America. Even Huck & Palin & Mitt are too timid to seize the moment, fill the void and draw the fire.
Pathetic losers. Rush IS the leader of the conservative movement by abdication.
rcl on March 5, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I wish I could listen to that clip
Rush is speaking for a lot of people which is why his numbers are so big. He also has a decent streak the MSM refuses to acknowledge. I listen a lot
Rush praises the masses while people like McCain openly despise the masses (see $50 lettuce)
If you don’t like the Obama plan, and you don’t like the GOP-elite’s plan for you, find the one they both hate: Rush
When Rush didn’t fold his tent under pressure to wave a flag for McCain, and he did not give in to the GOP-bigshot command to ‘Get Over It’ amd he did not shut up after Obama told people to stop listening, he gained in stature and trust against all the sell-outs
We see too many weasels today and few men of conviction
Here is a test: would Rush have given the leader of the UK a set of 25 classic movie DVD’s as a sign of our shared alliances?
Would Chris Matthews?
Would Rev. Wright? The Rev might have delivered a kick in the butt, but, but, I suspect he was delighted with Obama’s choice
I hope Rush takes a cue and creates a short about the Obama gift. Obama should get the praise he deserves for cementing our alliance with the UK so graciously. Get Snerdly in on this one. Rush, there is humor out there for the taking
entagor on March 5, 2009 at 3:56 PM
I was under the impression that without special disposition it was illegal to visit Cuba.
darktood on March 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM
It’s actually a US Treasury edict about spending money there rather than the visit itself that gets people in trouble but I doubt anyone would be prosecuted unless they really did something significant.
lexhamfox on March 5, 2009 at 4:18 PM
http://cinie.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/alinsky-izing-limbaugh/
Dr Evil on March 5, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Heh, I think Rush referred to Allahpundit as a weirdo today.
ebrawer on March 5, 2009 at 4:51 PM
It is not just Rush! It is Hannity, Kramer, Joe the Plummer and etc. I am sure there are more. When is it going to stop? It is the job of the media to hammer the President, or any politician for that matter.
The ONE and Gibbs can respond all they want to matters of policy. I have no problem with that. But, when have you ever witnessed an administration personally attack by name, anyone who disagrees with them. It is childish, ridiculous and not very presidential. It is obvious that the ONE is not capable of accepting criticism.
74SeventeenSeventySix on March 5, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Dude’s and dudette’s, Allah comes from the Frum school of “conservatism”, they can’t stand Rush, there is your explanation. Just leave it be. Is it right for a President to have an enemies list and target individuals with a complicit media? Of course not, but that’s not going to change Allah’s mind. It’s a personal thing with him, just let it be.
I’m not a big Rush fan, I used to be before I realized what a sycophant he was for President Bush, but I certainly don’t want him targeted. Even though it’s personal to a degree with me since I lost a lot of respect for him, I can still see that it’s wrong for the government to target individuals and demonize them for political gain. Allah just considers it not to be wrong. Accept it guys.
Now, if the office of the Presidency targeted him, then maybe his opinion would be different, but we’ll never know, at least until they start to censor web content using hate speech laws.
True_King on March 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM
You say that like its a bad thing, personally I think this Pres. deserves every speck of truth exposure he gets and if Rush is a thorn in every liberals side, I’m just going to laugh that much harder because they so very richly deserve that too.
Speakup on March 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM
I almost drove off the road when I heard this. Rush and friends should crank up the volume as much as possible. Perhaps we can shake this no-brain POS loose from the WH by Summer (or even April would be better).
RalphyBoy on March 5, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Hey Allah- Rush called you out today!!! He thanked Ed for his support, mentioned Hot Air and of course MM, but then said their are some wackos on the site. Hm….. Juicy but true.
Fuquay Steve on March 5, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Rush should put full page advertisements in major newspapers and run major TV spots across the country challenging him to a debate or to come on his show! that might be going a little overboard,,, but it would be the event of a century!!
If anything,, it would show how much Obama does not want to debate.
JellyToast on March 5, 2009 at 7:05 PM
I agree with the Rush backers. The man is a true genius at what he does, and has been doing it better than anyone for years. I only wish I had more time to listen to him, but then again, I would rather be working.
I remember when toolbama warned the Republicans against listening to El Rushbo, saying they wouldn’t get anything done, then proceeded to enact the biggest pork-barrel legislation in US history, using 3 backstabbing RINO’s to get the bill through.
Rush didn’t back down from that attack, saying the -0- “…was sprinting to the left” from the minute he took office, using the Stimulus Pkg to repay campaign favors.
Please keep up the great work Rush, and mega-dittoes. You’re a true patriot and a great American.
Sweet_Thang on March 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM
AP, perhaps you should read.
Obama’s Enemies List
74SeventeenSeventySix on March 5, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Enemes list? Great. The Government has a list against its own citizens. crazy crazy crazy.
johnnyU on March 5, 2009 at 9:15 PM
<blockquote>Didn’t the Bush administration issue a subpoena against Michael Moore for going to Cuba?
Grow Fins on March 5, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Refresh my memory, which talk show does Michael Moore host again? Also, is issuing a subpoena the same as making direct comments about someone? Yeah, I didn’t think so either.
I’m not saying none of the Presidents have done this stuff before, but I HIGHLY DOUBT they have. If this has happened before, it really changes nothing in my mind. This type of “shoot the messenger” stuff SHOULD be beneath a sitting POTUS.
As for the criticism levied at Rush by one of our site hosts, AP, I can honestly say that I sometimes get very tired of it. I’m not trying to deny anyone the right to criticize anyone else that happens to disagree with them. It is rather curious though, that this type of backbiting was almost nonexistent on the left during the last election. Once they chose BHO, it seemed to me that they ALL got behind him. I just feel that there are too many that aren’t willing to suck it up, and support someone they don’t agree with completely. I know Rush is not running for anything, but this definitely applies to Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, or anyone else that gets to the forefront, yet is deemed “unworthy” by the cocktail party Conservatives.
PburgJason on March 5, 2009 at 9:52 PM
OK, I do not have the time to read all of this thread, so if I am repeating a previous argument I am sorry. But here is why this is horrible AP.
The Constitution of the United States was written with an understand about abuse of power. One of the things that was specifically addressed was the use of government power against an individual without due process. Our Constitution outlaws Bills of Attainder for this specific reason.
If you are not aware, a Bill of Attainder is a legislative act that is used to single out an individual or group of people for punishment without a trial. This was placed in the Constitution as a way to ensure that the legislative branch did not exercise functions that are reserved for the judiciary.
The same is true of the Executive branch but it is not codified in the Constitution explicitly. It has been recognized from the time of George Washington that it is not proper for the executive branch to single out an individual for chastisement and that all members of the Executive from the President down should always refer judgment to the judiciary and allow due process to run its course.
What the executive branch is doing to Rush in some ways is worse. They are using their power and prestige to attack an individual American. It sets a precedent that it is fine for the government to do so. While this initial foray may sound benign to you, once you start down this path it leads to places that none of us want our government to go. It opens the door to oppressive use of the IRS, FBI, ATF, EPA, and many other agencies controlled by the executive branch.
Even if the actions by Obama and the executive are not overtly using agencies to intimidate or punish Rush, the effort is intimidation nevertheless. You don’t have to bash in the windshield of somebodies car to intimidate. It is just as effective to stare them in the eyes and start cracking your knuckles, if you have enough strength to back it up. Nobody has more power to intimidate than the U.S. government, nobody. It is a horrible step in an entirely horrible direction.
Hawthorne on March 6, 2009 at 6:42 AM
All of us have a right to hammer Obama any time we wish. That is guaranteed by our freedom of speech. Rush has this right as much as any of us. Where there is a difference, is that Rush is not government official. That changes all the rules. Obama can say whatever he wants privately or in casual conversation as a private citizen. He just cannot use the bully pulpit like a bully against an individual. It is not strictly illegal, but it is terribly unethical. Obama needs to learn that EVERYTHING he says is taken as government policy. There is no such thing as the President speaking as a private citizen when they are acting in their official capacity.
Hawthorne on March 6, 2009 at 6:54 AM
Ain’t gonna happen. No teleprompter with Soros telling this tool what to say, ain’t gonna happen. I love when the liberal press say Obama’s the most intelligent guy to ever be President. As far as I know all this tool’s academic records are sealed. What were his SAT scores? What were his papers about? What was his graduating GPA? He plays a minoity cartoon President. When I was calling him an empty suit before the election, I honestly didn’t know how empty it really was. I graduated with a 2.01 from a state university, I’ll debate “The One” anytime, anyplace. If I smoke him, doesn’t that make me smarter than all Presidents? Obama is a bad joke. Stopped being funny on election day…
adamsmith on March 6, 2009 at 7:31 AM
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