Obama DoJ bails out of death-penalty case

Is this the same Catholic Church that ran the Spanish Inquisition?

darktood on March 3, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Yes. And, pray tell, what do you think of the morals and ethics associated with the prosecutors of the Spanish Inquisition?

unclesmrgol on March 3, 2009 at 2:52 PM

Eh. The Catholic Church has yet to put its money where its mouth is on abortion, so one can hardly take them seriously on the death penalty. The pope also said the US was mean to illegal immigrants and we should be more charitable to them, which is not a sign of infallibility.

Blake on March 3, 2009 at 1:34 PM

The Pope’s non-infallibility on this matter sounds amazingly like Abraham Lincoln’s non-infallibility. A lot of Republicans have forgotten Abe’s feelings on immigration:

But after we have done all this we have not yet reached the whole. There is something else connected with it. We have besides these men—descended by blood from our ancestors—among us perhaps half our people who are not descendants at all of these men, they are men who have come from Europe—German, Irish, French and Scandinavian—men that have come from Europe themselves, or whose ancestors have come hither and settled here, finding themselves our equals in all things. If they look back through this history to trace their connection with those days by blood, they find they have none, they cannot carry themselves back into that glorious epoch and make themselves feel that they are part of us, but when they look through that old Declaration of Independence they find that those old men say that “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,” and then they feel that that moral sentiment taught in that day evidences their relation to those men, that it is the father of all moral principle in them, and that they have a right to claim it as though they were blood of the blood, and flesh of the flesh of the men who wrote that Declaration, and so they are. That is the electric cord in that Declaration that links the hearts of patriotic and liberty-loving men together, that will link those patriotic hearts as long as the love of freedom exists in the minds of men throughout the world.

And Ronald Reagan:

First of all, America is really many Americas. We call ourselves a nation of immigrants, and that’s truly what we are. We have drawn people from every corner of the Earth. We’re composed of virtually every race and religion, and not in small numbers, but large. We have a statue in New York Harbor that speaks of this, a statue of a woman holding a torch of welcome to those who enter our country to become Americans. She has greeted millions upon millions of immigrants to our country. She welcomes them still. She represents our open door.

All of the immigrants who came to us brought their own music, literature, customs, and ideas. And the marvelous thing, a thing of which we’re proud, is they did not have to relinquish these things in order to fit in. In fact, what they brought to America became American. And this diversity has more than enriched us; it has literally shaped us.

This tradition — the tradition of new immigrants adding to the sum total of what we are — is not a thing of the past. New immigrants are still bringing their talents and improving the quality of American life.

Of course, I have a horse in this hunt — my wife’s father was an illegal immigrant, excluded by the Alien Exclusion Acts; he came as a “paper son”, worked hard, owned two stores (one condemned to build LA’s Union Station, the other, newly built, condemned to build the offramp to Dodger Stadium). In his later life, he underwent “immigration confession”, and was stripped of his citizenship, but permitted to keep a “green card” and to reapply for citizenship. He immediately took the citizenship tests and regained his citizenship, since it was very important to him that he be able to vote as a Republican in the next election.

Indeed, your implied position is that of the Taney Court, which held the opposite of Lincoln’s inclusiveness of immigration, citizenship, and civil rights: In Dredd Scott, Taney held that because Scott was not a citizen, he had no right to file a suit.

unclesmrgol on March 3, 2009 at 3:25 PM

Same as my opinion about the Catholic Church that keeps putting child molesters in charge of alter boys.

darktood on March 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Just wanted to be sure I was hearing the usual anti-Catholic jerkoff. Just wipe it off when you’re done.

unclesmrgol implied position is that he supports child molesting public teachers.

Blake on March 3, 2009 at 5:40 PM

Ditto.

unclesmrgol on March 3, 2009 at 9:30 PM