He and I are on opposite sides of the fence on this issue. I’m trying to get him to see things from our perspective. I was trying to plant the seed so to speak. Maybe I was too subtle. I don’t think Blake does either but hes trapped into a position he never intended. I don’t want a police state.That would be Tremmy.;>)

kanda on March 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM

You’re a real idiot.

“Don’t ever assume you know the whole story from watching a video.
hopefloats on March 2, 2009 at 11:16 A”
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“They don’t need to know when they can just make crap up.
Blake on March 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM”

Oh, give it a rest! Your “you” was in reference to people who assume they know the whole story from only watching a video of this type. Your words, not mine.

It’s really almost impossible “to make crap up”.

Then I suggest you read through these threads: There are hundreds of examples of people with little or no knowledge of the facts, making crap up about what did or did not occur in this incident.

“Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt!”

hopefloats on March 2, 2009 at 8:27 PM

And you just proved it.

I do know that if you mouth off, have attitude, and/or kick an object at an Officer then you deserve everything you get from the Officer. Even when I am in the wrong and have to deal with an LEO as a result, I am polite and respectful to the LEO.

I’m reserving my judgement until I see all the evidence with the accompanying context. I’m not going to judge on a selected clip of something to make up my mind. I want all the details and the full context.

I still have no sympathy for this girl at all after following up on this one. The officer is on Administrative Leave during the investigation, which I believe has not been completed as yet.

Another comment by someone who knows nothing about policy and procedure in this business. In a detention facility, there will always be backup in this type of situation. It’s the damn procedure fool. It protects the perp and the officers.

It’s really almost impossible “to make crap up”.
You sir, have no first-hand knowledge of the workings in this business, or you wouldn’t have made such a stupid comment. We are trained to deal with these kinds of incidents, and I take issue with your insulting remark. There are multiple people working in the booking area, camera’s are set to every angle, and monitored by a Central Control Officer, inside a room with a locked door, and outside of the booking area. Every incident like this is taped from Central Control and Central Control is where this video came from.
“Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt!”

jcila on March 2, 2009 at 6:36 PM

A free donut? That’s bribery. What kind of cop would accept a free donut? Well I never!!

jcila on March 2, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Gee, I have nothing nice to say, so I’m taking the advise I got as a child.

TruUSA on March 2, 2009 at 6:22 PM

So it was one of the cop’s own co-workers who thought he was out of line? That’s telling.

Sorry but this sassy lippy little brat
decided to call the officer out and he came swinging
GOOD i am sorry but she was wrong..
and she got wacked too bad..

If it was my child in there i would have given the policemen a free donut..

And i told my kids this too

YOu screw up you end up in jail you will
meet bubba or a guard and both wont like you one bit..

Too bad..

2. She wasn’t the one who reported the officer. One of his fellow officers did.

The girl – who was accused of stealing a car – never filed a formal complaint and to this point isn’t talking.

“We all have troubles, everyone has trouble, but no one deserves that,” McAnich said.

The tape only surfaced after another sheriff’s department detective viewed it and reported it to her superiors. The other deputy did not report the incident – and the sheriff’s department won’t say whether he faces any potential repercussions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29447833/

If this cop had done this to that girl on a public street, where other grown men were around, what would have occurred?

Granted, if that were the situation, I have a feeling the cop wouldn’t have dared done it.

If you’re working a desk job, making a minor mistake out of frustration might only get the copier jammed, or accidentally clicking Reply to All with a private email. You wouldn’t get fired for that, but you might get written up by a stern boss.

Cops have to deal with ne’er-do-wells all the time. This is a case of a minor screw-up. It just doesn’t make sense to fire or prosecute a copy for such a minor screw-up. Yes, put a letter of discipline in his folder, but don’t ruin the guy’s life…he won’t be able to save yours.

a minor screw up? THAT IS A 15 YR OLD GIRL. A GIRL. If he wasn’t in uniform he would’ve been arrested for BATTERY.

darktood on March 2, 2009 at 5:29 PM

I keep going back to the injury to his shin. He claims it was caused by the shoe, but it’s ridiculous to pretend tossing the shoe the way she did (if it even hit him) could do the kind of damage that would send him to the hospital.

What is far more likely is that he hit his shin (as we can see he did) on the metal toilet. For him to have hurt his shin that way, he’d have to have been charging her far more furiously than a mere “shock and awe” show of force would have done.

I once saw 6 police cars, and at least 12 officers armed with M-16s and shotguns, stop 1 car and arrest 2 men. I saw the 2 suspects change from being ready to fight, to peacefully surrendering when they saw the force they were facing. No shots were fired.

darktood on March 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM

That doesn’t sound analogous to me. “No shots fired” would be more analogous to “no head thrown against the wall”. The analog to the situation you describe would have been for him draw his tazer (or to close the door and go get, if it was locked up), and warn the girl that if she didn’t comply she risked being tazed. That sounds like a much better response than taking her down and beating the tobacco juice out of her, doesn’t it?

RegularJoe on March 2, 2009 at 1:20 PM

If the young(accidentally left out of previous posting) woman isn’t showing physical signs of having received a real beating, than what we saw was a “shock and awe” operation. Demonstrating the availability of overwhelming force often prevents the need to use any.
She really didn’t seem bright enough to recognize a tazer, and the ability of teenagers to ignore the spoken word is staggering.
If she was truly beaten the cop needs to go to jail. But if she was merely overpowered, it was only a show of force, and the video wouldn’t necessarily show the difference.

Because – very soon – she WILL be.

They get away with a lot because of their age, and they milk it for all it’s worth.

In principle, I’d say I like it when these types of teens get their rears kicked.

However, I think many of these police officers are over-bearing jerks, so coming full circle I don’t really care as it seems to have evened out somehow.

I was a Deputy for 8 years, 4 in the jail. I worked in a metropolitan facility similar to Seattle. I have had just about everything you can imagine thrown at me. This guy had no excuse. She may have been “lippy” but she was cooperative and compliant. She did exactly what was asked. This Deputy has not excuse. He needs to be fired and charged.

ronsfi on March 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM

You spoke too soon. 312, though I doubt it’s just Hot Air people. This is also posted at “polldaddy”, and I think you can vote more than once.

But if he did lie… who is he protecting? Himself or the Kid?

His lie only makes himself look better, because in it, he also claims her throwing the shoe is what caused his injury, even though it’s obvious he hit his shin on the metal toilet.

And you asked about a teen doing something that would make a cop go off like that. I can think of lots of reasons.

upinak on March 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Like what?

His claim is that throwing the shoe was the attack, and (I believe it’s in the link I provided), he claims he went in there to stop a second such attack, that he went in there and hit her to stop her from hitting him with her second shoe.

But no matter what she did before being put in that holding cell, by the time she got in there, she was no threat to anyone. I’d honestly love to know of a situation where her prior action would warrant this, because I’ve really got nothing.

But both of us agree this Cop is WRONG!

Mark Garnett on March 2, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Yes, unfortunately. I’d much rather be on the side of the cop if possible.