Police video shows disturbing response to teen assault, plus poll
posted at 2:17 pm on March 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Any of us who have parented teenagers know how frustrating they can be, and one has to imagine that police officers know that better than most. Most of the time, they react better than Deputy Paul Schene did in this video, after a 15-year-old girl responded to a demand that she remove her shoes by flipping one at Schene. He then charged into the cell and now faces criminal prosecution (via QandO):
The video shows Schene and Brunner as they escorted the girl into the holding cell. Schene had asked her to remove her basketball shoes, and, as she slipped out of her left shoe, she appeared to kick it at Schene.
Schene then lunged through the door and kicked her, striking either her stomach or upper thigh area, court documents say. He pushed her against a corner wall before flinging her to the floor by her hair. He then squatted down on her and made “two overhead strikes,” although it’s unclear where the blows landed.
The detective who reviewed the video said it appeared Schene and Brunner had the girl under control when Schene struck her. Schene, who is 6 feet 2 and weighs 195 pounds, did not explain his action to investigators, court documents say.
He and the girl exchanged words. Brunner said she was “real lippy” after being informed she was under arrest and called them “fat pigs.”
The Sheriff’s Office policy manual says deputies should use physical or deadly force only when “necessary to effect an arrest, to defend themselves or others from violence, or to otherwise accomplish police duties according to law.”
Normally, we give police a lot of leeway to control violent or obstructive arrestees, and for good reason. It’s dangerous to second-guess how an officer reacts in two ways. First, in many instances, we don’t get a chance to see the larger context, in which an officer may see a threat not depicted in later exploration of video clips. Second, it pressures law-enforcement personnel to act too passively in situations requiring greater control, leading to dangerous and even deadly incidents.
In this case, though, it’s difficult to see any context in which Schene could justify his actions. Presumably, the teen had already been searched for weapons and was in fairly firm custody at the jail. She committed an assault by flipping the shoe at Schene (and battery if she actually hit him), but she represented no threat at all, nor were there any threats in the vicinity of the secure detention facility. Even before he punched her in the head twice, Schene used an excessive level of force clearly intended for punitive action rather than to secure the girl.
The defense did not want the video released before the trial because it would “inflame public opinion”. I’d guess that would be the case, but the video is publicly owned by the Seattle taxpayers who paid for it. Would the police have released it if the video showed Schene properly reacting to a real threat? I’m betting yes.
What do Hot Air readers think? Did Schene overreact, and does he deserve prosecution?
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What would Bush do?
unclesmrgol on March 1, 2009 at 2:22 PM
well that was uncalled for.
ernesto on March 1, 2009 at 2:25 PM
We should be judged by our actions and not by our position or race.
A value that has more meaning now than ever.
William Amos on March 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM
way, way WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY over the line. there is no possible justification for this kind of beating, especially after she is in custody.
how can there even be any doubt on this one? i am flabbergasted.
homesickamerican on March 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM
I grew up with the idea that you were always extra polite to policemen, and that if you mouthed off to them you would get roughed up, and justifiably. I don’t think this girl was hurt much, at all.
progressoverpeace on March 1, 2009 at 2:27 PM
He pulled her to her feet by her hair. No excuse for that. Throw the book at him.
hepcat on March 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM
If you’re working a desk job, making a minor mistake out of frustration might only get the copier jammed, or accidentally clicking Reply to All with a private email. You wouldn’t get fired for that, but you might get written up by a stern boss.
Cops have to deal with ne’er-do-wells all the time. This is a case of a minor screw-up. It just doesn’t make sense to fire or prosecute a copy for such a minor screw-up. Yes, put a letter of discipline in his folder, but don’t ruin the guy’s life…he won’t be able to save yours.
stonemeister on March 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM
the ‘First Rule of Being a Man’ says,
“Don’t hit girls”
Doesn’t matter how ‘lippy’ she is or what she kicks at you.
Don’t hit girls
Janos Hunyadi on March 1, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Well, this is one of those cops who became a cop because he can’t work a cash register.
Pelayo on March 1, 2009 at 2:29 PM
What would happen if her father had treated that way? And for any reason?
telemwill on March 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I posted this at Whizbang, everything is on topic except the last part which was responding to a post about the length of training officers get.
Everything the Officer did seemed appropriate to get a violent suspect under control. The kick to the lower leg is a practice all officers are taught it is a distracting blow. The hair pulling can be used to control out of control suspects. Everything this officer did in this situation is against any policy and procedure in dealing with this situation. This cop would be thrown off my force in a heartbeat. If as a cop you can not take people talking shit to you find another job. Those 10 weeks of training teach you to use a level of force model that this officer violated. The best cops I know don’t have college and usually had some troubles in early life. Some of the worst cops are college educated know it alls, they just seem to have problems dealing with people that are in trouble. This guy is toast.
Howcome on March 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Make this guy a presidential body guard or a member of the secret service.
BowHuntingTexas on March 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Officers can use “reasonable” force to effect an arrest, overcome resistance, or prevent escape.
Would another officer with same/similar experience, facing same/similar situation act in same/similar way?
Petaluma Patriot on March 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM
The fact that this impudent girl is in custody for criminal behavior and still feels superior enough to sass two adult men with a guns is all the justification I need.
Spank them when they are babies, or watch them get a well-deserved beating when they are older.
TMK on March 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Funny, my dad would have given me and my brothers and sisters worse if we ever mouthed off to a cop, and to my knowledge, me, and my brothers and sisters never have had to fun of seeing the inside of a holding cell.
Marcus on March 1, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Not only should he be charged with assault but the officer that stood by and let it continue should be charged with something as well.
- The Cat
P.S. I.A. should investigate his home life as well.
MirCat on March 1, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Minor scrwe up my ass! He over reacted and does not deserve to be a police officer.
Pelayo on March 1, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I’d rather hear him explain himself before rushing to any judgement. The girl should explain herself as well. If it turns out it was excessive, take action based on that, but at least give the man a chance to try to defend himself.
Vegi on March 1, 2009 at 2:32 PM
She didn’t even flick her shoes that high. I don’t get the impression she was trying to hit him. She was having a tantrum. Obviously, the cop who grabbed her by the hair, slammed her head into the floor, then punched her twice while she was already secure was having a tantrum as well.
So she was lippy. How many people have called cops pigs and not gotten the crap beat out of them? Are cops allowed to beat people, especially children, just because they say a few mean words?
CookeyD on March 1, 2009 at 2:32 PM
I’d like a bit more info before making a judgement. On the one hand, she may have just been kicking the shoe out the door where the police wanted them, on the other hand she may have verbally threatened the officer and then kicked her shoe up high enough for a potentially painful strike… though it still seems like overkill since he could have just slammed the door shut.
Maybe I’m too much of a softie, but I’d say put him on leave pending an investigation. If he buckled under the stress of the job (this may have just been the final straw), get him some help and re-assess his suitability for the job.
taznar on March 1, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Way out of line…no need at all for that sort of reaction/response based on what has been presented.
Ya know, all it took was one bad cop in a lot of precincts and O.J. walked because any cop, all cops, most cops, according to too many are bad cops.
We need a lot fewer cops, and more professional law enforcement officers.
coldwarrior on March 1, 2009 at 2:33 PM
What he’s out of office a little over a month and you’ve already forgot you meme? Clearly you meant “It’s Bush’s fault”. Now go back under your bridge troll.
roosterman on March 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Having worked as a Correctional Sergeant in California I can say that no, no we wouldn’t.
The only way you could treat a person like that was if they had a weapon. That office was acting as a 1 man SERT team.
I am sure the girl was talking a lot of smack, but he clearly crossed the line.
RobertInLexington on March 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Yeah! She challenged him in typical teenage fashion, and he bit. Feel sorry for him in a way–if one is not used to difficult teen girls they can push all your buttons at once.
I hope he comes out of this OK and has learned from it.
jeanie on March 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM
My gut reaction is usually to side with the cop, but definitely not in this case. She didn’t wing her shoe at him, she kicked it off her foot like the little brat she probably is.
Like Howcome said above, if a cop can’t take a little bit of crap from an uppity little spoiled brat, he shouldn’t be a cop.
flipflop on March 1, 2009 at 2:35 PM
If a cop can’t handle a rude, bitchy, teenage girl without going nuts, how’s he going to handle himself in more difficult situation. This guy should never have been given a badge or a gun. He gives a bad name other police officers who work hard to enforce the law without violating anyone’s rights or safety.
As to giving him a chance to defend himself, he needs to do it from the defendant’s side of court room. Hold him in a cell in the meantime.
doufree on March 1, 2009 at 2:35 PM
I agree. But what is your position on capital punishment?
unclesmrgol on March 1, 2009 at 2:36 PM
That office was acting as a 1 man CERT team.
Fixed it
RobertInLexington on March 1, 2009 at 2:36 PM
The girl told him he wasn’t a real man. His response was to prove she was right.
- The Cat
MirCat on March 1, 2009 at 2:36 PM
First rule of a man is never hit a girl. That punk police officer needs to visit the inside of a jail from the wrong side.
Never hit a woman. Sorry I don’t make the rules I just follow them. That had me getting my ass kicked by a girl on a bus but I never violated the rule. Never hit a girl.
Cop is a punk…cop goes to jail for assault.
PierreLegrand on March 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM
The deputies know they’re on camera and at constant risk of prosecution, to include the ever-present frivolous and malicious law suits. That girl must have said some pretty infuriating things to get the both of those deputies that serious about taking her down and teaching her a lesson. Now, she’ll probably have her college AND drug habit paid for by the county, while the deputy watches his future go down the tubes.
She definitely kicked her shoe off in a way that would have set me off. Nowadays, charges of disrespecting a peace officer get snickered at and cops don’t get the cooperation they deserve. I’d be the last person to condone abuse of authority, but some kids need to learn some lessons. The earlier the better. I hope audio and eye-witness accounts prove that she was belligerent and violent. The alternative is troubling.
Rugged Individual on March 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM
This pig needs to die via hanging, and the sooner the better.
Aristotle on March 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Oh, the old “real lippy” defense. His days of being a police officer are finished and this is likely to cost the city a bit of cash if a civil suit is filed. Plus, it seems that he may have some serious anger management issues.
John Eric on March 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I’m usually on the side of the police on anything like this but I can’t see any reason for that cop to act like he did. The shoe flip was no big deal, in fact, I think my daughter just did that to me the other night.
The amount of force used on that girl was inexcusable.
CarolynM on March 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM
You have got to be freaking kidding me. Please tell me this was sarcasm.
“Minor” screw-up? Beating up a 15 year old girl? One that posed zero threat?
Fire him and put the bastard in jail. Cops should not be above the law; anyone else (I won’t say “civilian”, because cops ARE civilians) who did the same would be facing felony charges and there’s no reason he shouldn’t as well.
People who’s natural instinct is to forgive brutal, bullying behavior from the bad apples is why this sort of thing happens too frequently. If she had launched some kind of full scale attack on the police officer? Fine- do what’s necessary. Because she kicked off her shoe in his general direction and was lippy? No excuse.
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Ahem. I think Bush is one of the best Presidents we’ve ever had, and I’ve said that in more than one post here. I didn’t notice him lashing out against someone who tossed a shoe at him with quite a bit more power than this girl did to the deputy. Bush behaved with restraint but during the incident and in his comments thereafter.
Rethink your response. Rethink.
unclesmrgol on March 1, 2009 at 2:39 PM
I myself am a patrol sheriff’s deputy and that footage makes me ill. That guy should not be in law enforcement, IMO. Unfortunately, our profession attracts a few bad eggs and they occasionally slip through the cracks.
But, like others said, I was not there and don’t know the full story. If this cop is a bad egg and has worked in law enforcement any length of time, I would not be surprised if he has a few red flags from past incidents in his personnel file. If he does, they will bubble to the surface.
Stay tuned…
CG - Colorado on March 1, 2009 at 2:39 PM
It would have been borderline abuse of power if he had merely cuffed her and yelled at her a bit.
The guy has this girl up against the wall by her hair, then down on the floor and punching her. Toast him.
MadisonConservative on March 1, 2009 at 2:39 PM
You’re a poopoohead. Gonna beat me up now mister?
- The Cat
MirCat on March 1, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Sarcasm?
If not, then the next time you are being mugged, or have a family member violated, call a member of ACORN.
coldwarrior on March 1, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Throw the book at him
DarkCurrent on March 1, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Well maybe next time that punk brat will think twice before throwing her shoes at people.
SoulGlo on March 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM
+1
ernesto on March 1, 2009 at 2:43 PM
All you folks saying the cop is wrong …
Was the secret service correct when they ho hummed the guy throwing his shoes at President Bush?
No biggie, I guess.
Personally, I’d like to have seen a response to the shoe thrower like this cop.
And good on the cop. He’ll be punished for sure. Which is too bad. Little scum bag needed to get a fat lip.
BowHuntingTexas on March 1, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Are you a “peace officer”? I hope not, because clearly your attitude makes you completely unfit to be one. If you are, I hope you’ll find another line of work- one that doesn’t involve a badge or gun.
How much cooperation do they “deserve” if people have to worry about an officer going into a violent rage anytime he feels disrespected?
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Its a simple case of a rude girl probably degrading the officers during their entire contact. Once she threw the shoes, she assaulted the officers and crossed the line.
I cant justify his actions, but I understand the frustration he probably had and he went over the line.
He should not be fired though, just suspended and punished.
xander569 on March 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Cops are people too, they make mistakes and overreact just like we all do.
xander569 on March 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM
Are you kidding me??? How many times have you seen code pink a$$holes or war protestors scream/spit in cops face while they do nothing? This was uncalled for I don’t care what she said. A 15 yr old girl in a cell with 2 cops is toally defenseless. They must have outweighed her by at least 200 lbs. They should be charged with everything her attorney’s can come up with. I have raised 4 children, and it is never OK to hit a child for what they say.
cajunlady on March 1, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Exactly, and we have no idea what SHE was saying. If this were a dude this would not have even warrented a thread.
SouthernGent on March 1, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I thought the response was just. Some of these kids who can’t follow directions and show a blatant discourse of disrespect should have that kind of reaction from a police officer.
Good for him.
Notorious GOP on March 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Yes, because the guy reared back with two shoes in hand, and threw them at Bush’s head.
This girl flicked off a single shoe, and from the video, it landed maybe two feet from where she was.
MadisonConservative on March 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Absolutely. And if I were to “overreact” and beat up a 15 year old girl because she mouthed off, I’d expect jail time. Same should go to the officer involved.
Something is seriously wrong when police are allowed to break the same laws they’re charged with enforcing without serious consequence.
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 2:52 PM
BowHuntingTexas on March 1, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Now who’s overreacting?
I don’t know what kind of a pain she was being before that or what else was going on. He did go overboard and should be fired. Prosecuted no I don’t think so. I hope the little brat learned a lesson but, she probably didn’t. I bet somebody will sue on her behalf and she’ll get a bunch of money.
boomer on March 1, 2009 at 2:54 PM
It doesn’t matter what she said. If his default reaction is to get violent in response to insults, he’s not a professional deserving of a badge.
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 2:54 PM
They should have been shown a dose of tough love every now and again. Letting these lunatics run wild (as with the tree sitter morons) shreds the fabric of our society.
progressoverpeace on March 1, 2009 at 2:55 PM
You didn’t grow up with my sister obviously. We had an inviolate rule around my house for which we got our asses kicked if we disobeyed. Never hit a girl – PERIOD.
My sister was one of the meanest, ugliest, nastiest aggressive terrors I have ever known. She would kick me (her older brother), bite me, hit me – the list is endless. What she did to terrorize my younger siblings does not bear repeating.
The terror continued because she was given a carte blanc by my father who ruthlessly enforced the no hit girl rule. Finally, at age thirteen or fourteen, I informed her that ANY aggression would be met with more aggression until it stopped. I took my licks from my dad, but the terror eventually stopped.
To this day, she is a monster.
Charles Martel on March 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM
oh my. seriously? That tape is all you need, friend.
This is a CHILD.
she didn’t have a gun. she FLUNG her shoe. He struck this girl…a young, young woman in a particularly humiliating way. It scares me to think about how he might be wife a wife or a girlfriend.
I hope he loses his badge.
Remember, folks. We respect them when they respect us. They are not perfect people and must follow law just as we do. As soon as we relativize it, it will effect us, sooner or later. This is the state.
Mommypundit on March 1, 2009 at 2:57 PM
I think some of you should consider employment with the North Korean police force- I bet they get to beat people up all the time based on what was said.
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 2:57 PM
HAHAHAHAHA, I bet she won’t ever try that smart ass crap again.
The two punches at the end were over the line, but I’ll give him the rest. I bet she was abusive verbally and resisting since she was arrested. You can only provoke people so far. LMAO. Sorry, I have NO sympathy for that bratty little sh#t.
Hollowpoint he was disrespected.
G. on March 1, 2009 at 2:58 PM
I’d be looking into this cops past… he’s got serious issues.
Kaptain Amerika on March 1, 2009 at 2:58 PM
The pig should go to jail.
He wants to be a badass? Come see me.
davidk on March 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM
The proper response was to shut the door.
This is abuse, pure and simple. He punched a girl he should not have thrown on the floor to begin with. Terrifying abuse.
clnurnberg on March 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM
As I have worked in the juvenile system all I can say is.. the girls were always more trouble than the guys, ALWAYS.
GoodBoy on March 1, 2009 at 2:59 PM
And? If you decided to beat up a skinny little 15 year old girl because she disrespected you, what consequence would you expect from your actions? A cheering section or jail time?
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM
She deserved it. Kudos to the cops for not taking crap from an arrogant, spoiled little brat.
KSgop on March 1, 2009 at 3:00 PM
Look, when she kicked her shoe of at him she was probably just being an idiot. However, we don’t know her history and so maybe the police officer’s reaction, while extreme, was understandable as a use of overwhelming force before the situation escalated (which I am not as opposed to as some I think).
However, the two blows at the end… she seemed clearly neutralized as a threat. Just because she hadn’t stopped struggling at that point does not justify that level of violence. Police need to have good judgment, and he did not show good judgment there. He needs to be canned I think.
Just because I don’t side with criminals and liberal kneejerk opposition to law and order, does not mean I am unaware of the threat of police violence against even law abiding citizens.
Sackett on March 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
This “man” is in fact, a pig. His porcine ass should be thrown in Walla Walla general pop for 36 months, and let the real criminals have themselves a pig roast.
JohnGalt23 on March 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
He’s been involved in two justifiable shootings one resulted in a death. He was cleared both times.
G. on March 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
FTFY
tjexcite on March 1, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Hahaha…! Nah… You need to get a bit more ‘lippy’ for that.
Be respectful and there will be no reason for rage OR question. My guess is that the ‘lippy’ girl was pushing his buttons for a while and deserved what she got. He’ll probably get more punishment than he deserves and she’ll get much more compensation than she deserves. Even dropped charges alone would be more than she deserves.
By the way… I voted that he should be punished. I just think it’s counterproductive to show the public any example that will embolden the punks to entice brutality, like this girl did.
Rugged Individual on March 1, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Those cops should be caned and fired.
But I bet that little smart ass won’t talk sh1t to cops anymore.
TheSitRep on March 1, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Overreaction.
She is a 15 year old girl. A gun and a badge don’t give you the right to do what he did. Especially the hair pull take down. That was pathetic. Was she inappropriate? You bet? Is getting a show flipped at you life threatening? No.
She is a 15 year old girl. Normal restraint will do.
What did she learn from this? Nothing good.
The policeman should face justice. The facts and circumstances are not known by me, but I suspect they point to a severe verdict.
And I agree with others, I bet even a precursory investigation into this guys past will show he has issues relating to women.
Montana on March 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM
If you’ve never been in law enforcement, don’t judge too hastily. Criminals are being released for “he was under stress”, “he’s a good boy but hung out with the wrong crowd” give ‘em the benefit of the doubt PC crapola. Is a police officer not allowed to be affected by anything? If any one of y’all can do better or find better people, go for it. Otherwise, get off of LE’s back.
Tom
marinetbryant on March 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM
I am glad some of these posters are not cops and working with me. When this idiot overreacts he brings his partners right along with him. I hope his partner in the video did not get creative in his report or he will be toast too. I learned first as an MP that people are going to talk smack no matter what. I’ve been called a racist, fat, ugly and every other word you can think of to put me down. I have never had an excessive force complaint against me and my partners have all been professionals. If I was the other officer I would be pissed at this idiot for the hell he is going to cause me.
Howcome on March 1, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Cop are no cop he assaulted an unarmed and restrained underage girl. The act of flipping her shoe at the officer while petulent and disrespectful is not justification for what happened to her and neither is any words she may have directed at Officer Paul Schane. This man
iswas an agent of the law, he should be held to higher standard not a lower one.The test here is objective not subjective ie would a right minded individual have reacted the way this
manpunk did in a similar scenario.I think if your answer to that question is yes or you think that this 15 year old girl got what she desreved you need to ask yourself some serious questions about what kind of individual you are and how your outlook on the role of the police force in your community has become so skewed
Equanim1ty found on March 1, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Would bet therre’s no father in her home.
Akzed on March 1, 2009 at 3:04 PM
I have nothing but contempt for cops. They are bullies and use their badge for personal aggrandizement. This jerk needs to be in the general population in the big house to get his mind right. Jerk
billypaintbrush on March 1, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Good lesson for her. Maybe if her parents did the same, the little car thief wouldn’t have been in the city jail to begin with.
Blake on March 1, 2009 at 3:06 PM
That cop harbors a lot of rage about his condition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis
TheSitRep on March 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Surely you meant “these cops,” right?
Akzed on March 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM
I’m in psych. I get things thrown at me a few times a week. Under no circumstances would we be allowed to behave like that, none.
The guy needs to go. The girl, hopefully, got a CT scan as being thrown to the floor and beaten can cause a lot of problems.
As I said before this nasty abusive man shoud have shut the door. And where was a female officer?
clnurnberg on March 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM
This girl STOLE A CAR and attempted to assault a law enforcement officer. She’s not some sweet little innocent child selling lemonade on the corner. Remember that.
KSgop on March 1, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I imagine that most cops deal with this sort of thing on a near daily basis while maintaining a professional demeanor and not getting violent. I agree that this cop deserves jail time for felony assault, but let’s not paint all (or even most) cops with the same brush.
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Exactly
DarkCurrent on March 1, 2009 at 3:09 PM
The police do not pick up people for no reason. If she was not in the situation of sealing her parent car the Officers would not have had to put the smack down on her.
We need Audio.
I don’t think they where exchanging recipes on the ride to the jail and then continued once in the cell. She most likely called them (much like the odd trolls on this thread) Things that can not be repeated or transcribe in anything but (expletive deleted) Cop are not Pig. They are the ones that run in when everyone else run out. They always should be respected, even when some are wrong. From what little this video shows this Officer did no wrong.
She did wrong by being in that situation of being lead into a jail cell.
tjexcite on March 1, 2009 at 3:10 PM
Let me get this straight, your saying that maybe if her parents had subjected her to brutal attacks similar to the one she was subjected to in the above video she wouldnt have tried to steal a car. Hmmmm you do realise this makes you an advocate for child abuse don’t you….. WOW
Equanim1ty found on March 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM
If he gets fired, can we somehow get him a job monitoring ACORN? I could give a rat’s a** about what happens to those criminals.
BuckeyeSam on March 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Wise ass, disrespectful fool got what she deserved. Sadly a cop was the one who pulled her up. He gotta go. She is a no respect for authority, no responsibility, blame the adult, product of a liberal indoctrination. Get used to these dipshits, they’re multiplying. One even got elected president.
Tsk, tsk.
frizzbee on March 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM
I don’t care what she said or what she did prior to that point. At that time she was clearly no threat. At work I get called unprintable names every day, EVERY DAY, and I follow directions and protocol and do not assault my patients for it.
The guy violated plenty of rules and laws. Out he goes and maybe a little jail time will make him a lot less angry.
clnurnberg on March 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM
She kicked off her shoe, and not in a violent way- were it a roundhouse kick, you might have a point. As it is, a 200 pound
cowardcop beat up a 15 year old girl because she mouthed off.The responses defending this guy by some of you make me question whether this officer represents only a small minority of police officers.
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM
I bet she won’t get lippy with cops again. Her parents should have done that already.
devil dog on March 1, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Her behavior is about personal choice. I believe you can come from the best of a two parent home environment and still be like her. Your choices always have consequences. For good or bad. Including his.
G. on March 1, 2009 at 3:15 PM
Amazing how many here tolerate child abuse and violence against women.
clnurnberg on March 1, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Yup. Let’s sit down in a drum circle, hold hands and sing Kum-by-a.
If nothing else, she’ll not be mouthing off and throwing shoes at cops anytime soon.
Hey. Let’s arrest all our soldiers in Iraq who’ve been less than cuddly cuddly with terrorists while we’re at it. Oh, some of those terrorists have been skinny little 15 year old girls by the way.
BowHuntingTexas on March 1, 2009 at 3:16 PM
Verbal abuse is not a defense to assault you psycho also is there anything this 15 y.o girl could have said to this grown man in a position of power that could ever justify would happened next.
Equanim1ty found on March 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM
No it’s amazing how many people tolerate people like that girl.
devil dog on March 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Some of you sure are eager to live in a police state where cops are to be feared and not held accountable for abuse.
Hollowpoint on March 1, 2009 at 3:17 PM
You think these kids are bad? You should start reading the papers in the UK on a daily basis and see the crap that happens there. Adults murdered continually with these kids getting very very short jail time or none at all.
G. on March 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM
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