The obligatory “nutroots tries to smear Jindal over Katrina” post

posted at 5:20 pm on February 27, 2009 by Allahpundit

This is so moronic that I wouldn’t even acknowledge it if not for the fact that I’m strapped for content. In a nutshell: Eager to prove that every last conservative in America is guilty of something vis-a-vis Katrina, TPM zeroed in on a passage from Jindal’s rebuttal speech about a visit he made to the local sheriff in the aftermath. Quote:

During Katrina, I visited Sheriff Harry Lee, a Democrat and a good friend of mine. When I walked into his makeshift office I’d never seen him so angry. He was yelling into the phone: ‘Well, I’m the Sheriff and if you don’t like it you can come and arrest me!’ I asked him: ‘Sheriff, what’s got you so mad?’ He told me that he had put out a call for volunteers to come with their boats to rescue people who were trapped on their rooftops by the floodwaters. The boats were all lined up ready to go – when some bureaucrat showed up and told them they couldn’t go out on the water unless they had proof of insurance and registration. I told him, ‘Sheriff, that’s ridiculous.’ And before I knew it, he was yelling into the phone: ‘Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!’ Harry just told the boaters to ignore the bureaucrats and start rescuing people.

Aha!, says TPM, digging through the news archives. The visit to Sheriff Lee didn’t occur “during Katrina” at all; it occurred, er, a few days later, which certainly isn’t “during.” And what’s more, there’s no evidence that Jindal used his congressional authority to help get those boats in the water, as the speech suggests (but doesn’t assert). Lee did it all by himself.

Which brings us to this. Direct from Jindal’s office, it’s archive video of none other than Sheriff Harry Lee (who passed away two years ago) endorsing Jindal for governor. Why? Because he was so helpful and hands-on in using his congressional authority to assist the recovery effort after Katrina, which included … a personal visit to Lee’s office “the day after” the storm. Nuance. I’ll let Jim Treacher take it from there.

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allrsn:

I agree with that. In fact Bush went on TV on Friday and told the people of the Gulf to leave. I do not remember any other time when a president actually gave an address asking people to leave.

FEMA was just overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the disaster and Bush did as much as could be done in a brief time. But it does seem that after Katrina the feds made some changes in how they deal with disasters like this and things went more smoothly when storms like Ike and Gustav hit.

But New Orleans was just too badly run to even avacuate ahead of the storm.

Terrye on February 27, 2009 at 9:14 PM

No, it does not mean driving out the RINOs starting with John McCain. So, who gets to decide who the RINOs are?

I do, if I’m the one making the decision. And when it’s my choice, I say people like McCain, Snowe, Spectre, Collins can get out and don’t let the door hit them. I don’t care how many decades these people have called themselves Republicans. I care about what they vote for. McCain has rarely missed a chance to stab conservatives in the back. Why should I feel any loyalty to him after he’s built his career on his Mavericky, back-stabbing ways? You think the Dems are going to refrain from the so-called “nuclear option” when it’s time to replace Ginsberg? Please! The man despises just about everything I believe in. Which doesn’t make him a bad person, but he’s certainly not on my side nor am I on board with his “go along to get along with the Dems” nonsense.

As for McCain’s loss… don’t put his loss anywhere except where it’s deserved – squarely on his own shoulders. Not only did he run a genuinely crappy campaign, he tanked it, completely tanked it, by his phenomenally bad judgment to stop the campaign and go to Washington to promote and sign the bailout. Look at his numbers from then on; he never got back what little momentum he’d had.

I’m a good deal less interested in loyalty (which smacks of deal-making of the sort McCain is infamous for) than I am in core principles. And McCain’s core principles are not conservative ones.

This discussion we’re having right now is precisely representative of what we need to duke out party-wide; figure out who we are and what we stand for. Is the Republican party the conservative party or the centrist party? We saw during Contract for America that people will follow. But they can’t follow if we’re endlessly playing tug of war with each other instead of leading.

Laura on February 27, 2009 at 9:21 PM

Laura:

And what about the rest of us? Do we have any say in this?

John McCain did not vote with Spectre or Snowe on this stimulus plan. It is not fair lumping him with them. When Newt Gingrich came to Washington and there was the Contract with America, he did not make driving people from the party part of the deal. John McCain actually worked with him.

And I do not believe that McCain deserved to lose because a bunch of sore loser purists could not come with a viable alternative. They were too busy stabbing each other in the back to bother going after the Democrats.

Terrye on February 27, 2009 at 9:31 PM

Terrye, Jindal fibbed. If the only response to that is to frantically try and point fickle fingers of blameworthiness elsewhere, it’s just avoiding having to deal with that.

starfleet_dude on February 27, 2009 at 9:34 PM

And if you want to go after Snowe and Collins you have to keep in mind where they are. They do have constituents to answer to. And it might just be that they are as good as it gets in Maine. Unless of course you want to just write off Maine entirely.

Here in Indiana, we lost a really conservative Repoublican {Hostettler} to a blue dog Democrat. I voted for the Republican, but he got beat badly. And this is not a liberal area either. The Democrats found Democrats who could run and win in places like this. That is how they took the House back.

Now if you want to decide for everyone everywhere what a Republican has to be, the people who actually live in those areas might disagree. It might be necessary to actually allow the locals who will do the voting to have a say about the process, bothersome as that may be.

Terrye on February 27, 2009 at 9:37 PM

starfleet:

No, Jindal did not fib. You are splitting hairs and what is more you do not even know what you are talking about. And you know what? Considering what a crappy job the local Democrats did down there I really think the whole conversation is just stupid.

Terrye on February 27, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Terrye, that’s my entire point. You DO have a say in this. We need to duke this out and figure out exactly what the GOP is all about. That’s what we have a platform for, and unless we sort all of that out and start enforcing message discipline we’re not going to win elections. As for lumping McCain in with Spectre and Snowe, look at the totality of his career. How many times when the chips were down did he side with the Dems, just like they have. Fine, he’s following his principles; goody for him. But I reserve the right to do the same, and so do a lot of others. Call us “sore loser purists” if you like. What gives YOU the right to decide for us what Republican means? This is why I keep saying we need to duke it out amongst ourselves and get it settled before we’re going to beat the Democrats. Republicans are for lower government spending… except when we aren’t, when our nominal head tanked his presidential campaign to go vote for something which had not adequately been debated, and was generally the antithesis of what he’d spent decades preaching against. Way to stay on message and show people what we’re all about! And look at the results! The bailout was a terrible idea and now everyone knows it… especially the “sore loser purists” like Malkin who preached against it since Day 1 and were proved DEAD RIGHT.

But New Orleans was just too badly run to even avacuate ahead of the storm.

You’re wrong in a lot of respects about Katrina, starting with the fact that the vast majority of us did, in fact, evacuate. Start with this Wizbang post and make your way through the archives. (And yes, I’m that Laura.) Even Nagin was on TV constantly begging people to leave; just because he didn’t make it a mandatory evac until later doesn’t mean he wasn’t calling for an evacuation.

Laura on February 27, 2009 at 9:53 PM

When the socialists ‘feel’ fear, they attack. (Kinda like a dog does, eh?)

allrsn on February 27, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Well, my dogs are smarter than most liberals I meet…

Red State State of Mind on February 27, 2009 at 9:59 PM

generally the antithesis of what he’d spent decades preaching against.

(sigh) I started to say it one way, then said it another, and mixed the two. The bailout was the embodiment of what McCain had spent decades preaching against, of course. Sheesh!

Laura on February 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM

wrt to the Katrina evac…

Much about the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina was horribly flawed. But the evacuation in the two days before the hurricane struck was no less than a triumph. … it took 38 hours, starting Saturday at 8 a.m., to get roughly one million people out of harm’s way, or “approximately half the time previously estimated by the United State Army Corps of Engineers,” according to the study with perhaps the most lugubrious title of all: “Temporospatial Analysis of Hurricane Katrina Regional Evacuation Traffic Patterns.”

Laura on February 27, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Terrye, Jindal fibbed. If the only response to that is to frantically try and point fickle fingers of blameworthiness elsewhere, it’s just avoiding having to deal with that.

starfleet_dude on February 27, 2009 at 9:34 PM

No he did not. It was only water drinkers such as yourself who are lying. There is no blame because this is a non-event manufactured as a talking point.

We saw this with Palin, lefties are just throwing everything they can at Jindal to try and see what sticks. If anything does, become more specific and repeat the lie endlessly.

Take your social engineering BS and trekkie outfit elsewhere.

darclon on February 27, 2009 at 10:22 PM

One last link before I’m outta here, Terrye… wrt McCain and why he lost, this Spectator article pretty much says it all:

It was McCain’s outspoken support for the unpopular bailout — a big-government intervention incompatible with conservative economic philosophy — that handed the election to Obama. The bailout failed as politics and, as evidenced by Monday’s selloff on Wall Street, it also failed as policy.

RTWT. And weep. I certainly wanted to, back in October when it was written.

Laura on February 27, 2009 at 10:37 PM

The Katrina episode was not only the time it actually stormed…please get real. Hell the Fed response is not even close to being promised til about the 3rd day.

Hey all you lefties who are so hung up on the truth…why are we not yet out of the Middle East….where is FOCA… you are such sheep.

Jamson64 on February 27, 2009 at 10:57 PM

The obligatory “nutroots tries to smear Jindal over Katrina” post

Maybe I’m late to the game, but the nutroots apparently now includes the Politico. Check out the comments section at Ben Smith’s blog about this. If I had a dollar for everytime the word “liar” appears, I wouldn’t be concerned about the economy. Frightening.

Erich66 on February 27, 2009 at 11:13 PM

he people who actually live in those areas might disagree. It might be necessary to actually allow the locals who will do the voting to have a say about the process, bothersome as that may be.

Terrye on February 27, 2009 at 9:37 PM

Here’s the problem as I see it, though, Terrye.

When these type of Republicans always insist on leading the party in their direction, and refuse to follow when others rise into leadership, they are not being useful to any type of conservative movement at all. They are only being loyal to their own personal advancement.

That sucks.

Saltysam on February 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM

For those of us who were in the area for the storm, it’s common to use “during Katrina” to refer not only to the storm itself, but to the several days after.
Ben Smith of Politico and his commenters don’t seem to understand the timeline. The fact that Jindal’s story took place “days later” makes perfect sense. It was days after the storm that the levees broke, and that’s when the catastrophic flooding of the New Orleans area happened. They wouldn’t have needed to send boats out immediately after the storm, because there was no major flooding yet!

metrygirl on February 28, 2009 at 12:10 AM

For those of us who were in the area for the storm, it’s common to use “during Katrina” to refer not only to the storm itself, but to the several days after.

Even for those of us who weren’t. If there’s one thing I learned from the whole thing, it was that “Katrina” extended for as much of a length of time as it took to slam George Bush.

Jim Treacher on February 28, 2009 at 12:17 AM

metrygirl,

Good point. I know one of the rescuers who was turned away. Anyone who says Jindal’s story is untrue has zero credibility.

Christien on February 28, 2009 at 12:18 AM

Terrye, Jindal fibbed.

starfleet_dude on February 27, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Prove it. You’re making the accusation, now prove it. Prove it in the face of the evidence to the contrary.

Prove it.

Jim Treacher on February 28, 2009 at 12:19 AM

Man, these leftards are terrified oh Jindal… Obama has been President for about a month for crying out loud. LOL

D2Boston on February 28, 2009 at 12:39 AM

Amazing how many of us from the NOLA area there are here on Hot Air. Metrygirl, I’m a Metry girl too. :-)

Laura on February 28, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Man, these leftards are terrified oh Jindal… Obama has been President for about a month for crying out loud. LOL

Ya know, call me naive, but a few months ago I would have thought that the attacks on Republicans would subside once Obama took office. I mean, what’s the point? Their guy won. But just a month in, Obama has rolled the dice in the biggest crap game in history with his spending proposals. Instead of attempting to change the basic structure of the country slowly, he’s trying to do it in one fell swoop. I think many liberals are gulping along with the rest of us, and they’re probably starting to realize that if it doesn’t work, not only will he not get elected again, but their “cause” will be seriously damaged.

Therefore, under their screwy logic, it makes sense at this juncture for them to continue to go after Republicans, even for silly reasons. I think they believe their only hope, if Obama’s gamble doesn’t pay off, is to make Republicans look completely incompetent. Of course, these tactics won’t work in the long run; the pocketbook trumps all.

Erich66 on February 28, 2009 at 1:09 AM

“We need to duke this out and figure out exactly what the GOP is all about.”

Laura on February 27, 2009 at 9:53 PM

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MIDDLE of the TARGET!
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McCain and his NO WAKE campaign was dead in the water until Sarah Palin came aboard and re-floated his foundering boat! That the ticket only lost the election by 6 million + votes calls for commendations–not only for his running mate, but for Joe the Plumber’s ‘stop leak patch’ as well! Yes, Laura is right on the mark, now is the time to decide whether the GOP effalumps and dweasels are going to haul their moral weight in conservative principles, or continue their death march to the boneyard!
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“Let’s Roll”

On Watch on February 28, 2009 at 2:33 AM

Hi to all my neighbors from Metry. It’s a small world. Rest in peace Sheriff Harry Lee, thank you and God bless you.

americanjbg on February 28, 2009 at 2:44 AM

The ones who messed up Katrina were the Governor and Ray Nagin. They had the buses to evacuate the citizens so they should have called for a mandatory evacuation. Or did they? The people were warned that this was a dangerous hurricane. Who in their right mind would stay??? What the hell did they expect Bush to do? Carry them out on his back? Where was Obama during the ice storm??? Right…having that super bowl party.

I am sick of the libs who look for any ammo against the Republicans, but who totally ignore the fact that OBAMA LIES EVERY DAY! Right to our faces he lies. He lied during his campaigning, he lied in his immacualtion speech and he lied to Congress the other night.

becki51758 on February 28, 2009 at 9:03 AM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PIN YOUR REPUBLICAN HOPES AND DREAMS ON JINDAL OR PALIN. IT WILL BE AWESOME.

Dave Rywall on February 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PIN YOUR REPUBLICAN HOPES AND DREAMS ON JINDAL OR PALIN. IT WILL BE AWESOME.

Dave Rywall on February 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Says the Canadian?????

Cindy Munford on February 28, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Perhaps you should follow the netroots lead to elect better gop.

The have become a powerful player in dem politics and CNN said they give the dems a headache.

Seems Jindal keeps digging on this story:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindals_office_tries_to_spin_katrina_story_digs_it.php?ref=fp1

getalife on February 28, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Doesn’t anyone find it just weird that there has been so much bandwidth and column inches taken up discussing the person who simply gave the response to a Presidential speech? Has this EVER happened before, under any President of either party?

The paranoia of the Left in defending Barack Obama and the triviality of this attack on Bobby Jindal are stunning.

rockmom on February 28, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Dave Rywall on February 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM

Dave, we cannot possibly do worse than that twofaced backstabbing old fart who ran in the 2008 elections. Emphasis on cannot…as in physically impossible.

Palin/Jindal ticket anyone?

Dark-Star on February 28, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Did anyone bother to read the comments over there at TPM? There is no good faith opposition with them. Everyone is either with them, or evil. Even now that they own the federal government, their focus is not on governing, but on continuing to push down on conservatives. It isn’t even ideological. It’s about tribes.

They’re going to keep pushing until there is nowhere left to push, and then things will get ugly. There is no place in this world for a political movement that is incapable of introspection. No place at all.

Immolate on February 28, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Libtards will go to their graves thinking Bush was soley responsible for New Orleans flooding. They do not care that there was a Democrat Governor, Democrat Mayor and a legacy of Dems outnumbering Republicans there.

Speedwagon82 on February 28, 2009 at 10:31 AM

The question I asked myself about the truthiness here is, did the people still stuck on rooftops consider that day to still be “during Katrina”? How about the people roasting to death in a sealed hospital with no way out, did they think that Katrina was over? I know the reporters kept calling it Katrina.

Laura in Maryland on February 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM

starfleet_dude on February 27, 2009 at 9:34 PM

You must feel just so honored to have an entire topic dedicated to the loons likes of you.

Next time, use your real internet name. StarDust Dud.

DannoJyd on February 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM

The people of New Orleans lost all rights to complain about Katrina when they re-elected Mayor Chocolate.

lavell12 on February 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM

No smearing here, Jindal’s spokesperson already admitted Jindal “misspoke” yeah right, he was caught in a lie and the whole world knows it. Everytime a conservative screws up the rightwing propaganda machine comes to the rescue. Maybe if conservatives would fess up when they screw up their movement wouldn’t be dying like it is. Or else they can keep on convincing each other (echo chamber) that they never screw up. Luckily for this country the far righties are a diminishing breed, now the adults are back in charge trying to fix 8 years of neocon failures. Instead of helping, the party of “no” plans on obstructing which will only make them less influent than they already are. The more you guys obstruct the higher Obama’s poll numbers go up. So feel free to act like obstructionists, I’m sure it makes you feel good about yourselves.

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

The more you guys obstruct the higher Obama’s poll numbers go up. So feel free to act like obstructionists, I’m sure it makes you feel good about yourselves.

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Haven’t Obama’s numbers been going down?

katiejane on February 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

The gop invented hardball politics with Lee Atwater and then Karl Rove. But when the Democrats started fighting fire with fire the gop sheeple start crying like little girls. When I was a kid there was a saying “you can dish it out but you can’t take it.” Sums up the gop today, oh da demcrats are so mean to us waaahhhh. Try growing a pair, we didn’t start the fire. What goes around comes around. Your the ones that re-elected Bush, Democrats knew what a dingbat he was, you goopers are just realizing it now. Run Palin and Jindal in 2012, their both loons that will be parodied on SNL. Can’t wait for the day. Have a nice day.

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Haven’t Obama’s numbers been going down?
katiejane on February 28, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Don’t confuse the kid with facts; you’re harshing his carefully scripted mellow.

Bishop on February 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM

When I was a kid

In other words, today.

Bishop on February 28, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Anyone wanna bet how long it takes athensboy to get banned? I’ll say by the end of tomorrow.

Speedwagon82 on February 28, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Hey Bishop check out Gallups latest numbers, thats if you can read!

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Hey speedwagon, the truth hurts huh?

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Dude, your side won. Why is it so important for you to keep coming here? Can’t let go of the hate? Why not?

rockmom on February 28, 2009 at 11:50 AM

What hurts is that fact that you honestly think your Obamessiah is smarter than Bobby Jindal. Unlike St. Barack, Jindal didn’t flake out of the real world and go be a “community organizer” in the most corrupt city in the country.

Speedwagon82 on February 28, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Rockmom, people like athensboy CAN’T let go of their hate. MSNBC’s ratings are already going down because without the nonstop Bush hate, their audience is going back to bonghits and PS3. Their own websites are so one-sided in their love and praise of everything Obama does, they are bored so they come over here.

Speedwagon82 on February 28, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Democrats are getting worried …

Democratic Senator Ben Nelson voiced concerns about the budget, “While President Obama inherited much of the deficit he’s battling, his budget has eye-popping numbers, and its size and scope concern me. In particular, I’m not sure raising taxes is the best way to go in these times.”

The Obamacon’s polling numbers have remained stagnant recently, and the rising demonstrations against Obamanomics certainly won’t help him. Not even a little bit.

The lies aren’t working.

DannoJyd on February 28, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Obama not only went to Harvard Law, he made it onto the Harvard Law Review, the elite of Harvard Law, then to top that, got elected President of the Harvard Law Review, getting votes from conservatives who disagreed with him politically but saw his intellect Obama could have pulled down mega bucks working for a Wall Street firm but CHOSE to go back to Chicago and help the poor on the southside. Thats a bad thing? Jindals a Rhodes Scholar, so no, I’m not saying he’s smarter than Obama. Their both brilliant, but least I admit Jindal is, you can’t admit Obama is.

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Congratulations on discovering 1 Obama accomplishment. All I ever found was his efforts at race baiting, and ACORN.

Let’s see how he did at Harvard …

As president of the Harvard Law Review and a law professor in Chicago, Senator Barack Obama refined his legal thinking, but left a scant paper trail. His name doesn’t appear on any legal scholarship.

The article continues to disseminate The One’s views on abortion. He is, of course, for it anytime, anyway, and anywhere.

Obama might have had it right while he was running the journal, when he reportedly ended minor disputes with the words, “Just remember, folks: Nobody reads it.”

Wow! He certainly took his responsibilities seriously, eh?

Da Bama continues to fabricate his actions into sensical idealism. Lies don’t work for very long, and his having disapproval ratings higher than Carter in the same time frame proves the point.

DannoJyd on February 28, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Jindal, front and center for Gustav.

Barry, AWOL while Americans froze to death in Kentucky.

Christien on February 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Christien on February 28, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Who cares, those Kentuckians were just a bunch of bitter people clinging to the guns and their Bibles. Plus, they didn’t like arugala. They are disposable. Like babies.

/sarc

PimFortuynsGhost on February 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM

There is something disgusting about using a long dead (and well respected) public figure to try and discredit Bobby Jindal. The only people that hated Harry Lee were the filthy vermin of the welfare class that kept Ray Nagin, William Jefferson and the other criminals of New Orleans Democrat Party.

highhopes on February 28, 2009 at 12:37 PM

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM

What a load of bull. Harvard Law is one of the most left-wing, politically correct places in the world. Given how closely Obama’s world view meshes with the professors there, it would have been astonishing if he hadn’t received good grades. As for his election as president of the Review, he won as a compromise candidate after 19 rounds of balloting. If his “superior intellect” was so obvious to the other members, why wasn’t he unanimously elected in the first round of balloting? And if you think his race, and the fact that he would be the first black chosen as president, didn’t play a large role in his ultimate selection, then you don’t know much about Harvard.

AZCoyote on February 28, 2009 at 12:38 PM

athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Really drinking the Kool-Aid aren’t you. You really lose all credibility when you are so unquestioning and uncritical of the filthy liar in the white house. The filthy liar has filled his administration with tax cheats, lobbyists and various other criminals after running on a platform that said otherwise. The filthy liar is a racist as evidenced by the church he attended for 20 years.

He is unworthy of the unquestioning praise you heap on the filthy liar’s accomplishments.

highhopes on February 28, 2009 at 12:40 PM

And before I knew it, he was yelling into the phone: ‘Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!’ Harry just told the boaters to ignore the bureaucrats and start rescuing people.

I don’t see Jindal claiming that he used his congressional authority to get the boats in the water.

Sheriff Lee did in a round about way, by using Jindal’s name, but Jindal did not.

MarkTheGreat on February 28, 2009 at 12:42 PM

highhopes,

Well said. Not a single one of those cowards smearing Governor Jindal would dare say what they’re saying down in Louisiana. They’d have the kinks jerked out of them in a flash. Calling Sherriff Lee (RIP) a liar? Calling those rescuers who were turned away liars?

I guess they could still drink Kool-Aid without teeth.

Christien on February 28, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I would take his Harvard Law Review cred more seriously if he had actually written something for it. Seems like all he did was supervise and edit more motivated students.

Speedwagon82 on February 28, 2009 at 12:43 PM

Terrye, Jindal fibbed. If the only response to that is to frantically try and point fickle fingers of blameworthiness elsewhere, it’s just avoiding having to deal with that.

starfleet_dude on February 27, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Only a complete moron could believe that Jindal fibbed.
In your case, that explains everything.

MarkTheGreat on February 28, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Even if Snowe, et. al. were replaced by real Democrats, I fail to see how that would make any difference.
The votes cast would still be the same.

The only difference is Barry would no longer be able to claim that since his pet Republicans supported him, the bill was bi-partisan.

MarkTheGreat on February 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM

A couple of things:

We need to curb our enthusiasm. There were many aspects of the past election that demonstrated an unprecedented degree of a cult of personality but I believe that after four years of this, the public will be leery and weary of any contender who even smells like another “beloved leader”. In other words, I feel this past election, though unprecedented, does not establish a precedent. Jindal needs obscurity now so he can just do his job four three more years. Trying to pull him into the spotlight now is counter-productive to our cause.

The other thing:

I am reading a lot about our organization or lack thereof. Over the past eight years, so many institutions have cropped up with no other purpose than to attack President Bush and foment hatred. Today, those same institutions are floundering as they suffer from a clear lack of trust from the public. This means the same consumers no longer believe in these opinion mongers.

Do we really want to follow this example?

It seems tailored-made to lead to utter insignificance once the leadership is handed over to conservatives.

I believe it would be wiser to opt for perpetual reliability.

StubbleSpark on February 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Hey Bishop check out Gallups latest numbers, thats if you can read!
athensboy on February 28, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Ouch…that was a good one. In 1946.

Bishop on February 28, 2009 at 12:58 PM

I would be a lot more impressed with Obama’s academic credentials if he would RELEASE HIS TRANSCRIPTS.

Obama was a pretty decent athlete in high school. Why wasn’t he a Rhodes Scholar?

rockmom on February 28, 2009 at 1:53 PM

Every day, new proof that Democrats just don’t give a damn what the truth is. It doesn’t even enter their minds, that’s why all their arguments are so vapid, repetitive and hollow – the truth doesn’t even matter to them.

Merovign on February 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM

starfleet:

This is so pathetic. It really is. There is no way this makes Jindal a liar. The really pathetic thing is that the Democrats who were running LA did such a sucky job of taking care of their constituents. The graft that robbed money that should have gone to taking care of infrastructure, the LA Homeland Security people who turned away the Red Cross, the Governor who refused for days to let federal troops in… the list goes on. The Coast Guard did their job, the National Guard did their job..the national press and the national Democratic party lied about the casualty numbers, lied about the conditions and used the misery and suffering of others for their own gain.

And now morons like you are going after Jindal who was actually there in Louisiana, on the ground when all this happened. Morons.

Terrye on February 27, 2009 at 8:58 PM

The smear that Bush horribly mishandled Katrina has been one of the most dishonest smears we’ve had to listen to over the past few years. Like all federal bureaucracies, FEMA took too long to start being effective. But it would have been much worse if Bush hadn’t mobilized them days before Katrina actually hit.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PIN YOUR REPUBLICAN HOPES AND DREAMS ON JINDAL OR PALIN. IT WILL BE AWESOME.

Dave Rywall on February 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM

No need to be so nervous, Drywall.

Jim Treacher on February 28, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Doesn’t anyone find it just weird that there has been so much bandwidth and column inches taken up discussing the person who simply gave the response to a Presidential speech? Has this EVER happened before, under any President of either party?

The paranoia of the Left in defending Barack Obama and the triviality of this attack on Bobby Jindal are stunning.

rockmom on February 28, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Just like there had never been so much attention paid to a Vice-President candidate until Palin. And that even tops the smears of Dan Quayle as stoopid.

I thin-skinned paranoia just a feature of the left? And is it significant that Obama seems to share that same feature?

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

I thin-skinned paranoia just a feature of the left? And is it significant that Obama seems to share that same feature?

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Yeah, it must be part of the Alinsky playbook or something.

Never seen a bigger bunch of sore winners in my life.

rockmom on February 28, 2009 at 2:54 PM

The smear that Bush horribly mishandled Katrina has been one of the most dishonest smears we’ve had to listen to over the past few years. Like all federal bureaucracies, FEMA took too long to start being effective. But it would have been much worse if Bush hadn’t mobilized them days before Katrina actually hit.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM

The problem is that’s not a smear, that’s the truth – he did mishandle his side of it.

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 6:46 PM

We had a terrible set of floods in Iowa last year and an extremely damaging hurricane in Texas (Galveston area as I recall) and yet they’ve disappeared from the news. Has it all been put right or are we oddly fixated on Katrina and the population of New Orleans? If so, why? Didn’t the other folks suffer too?

Mason on February 28, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Amazing how many of us from the NOLA area there are here on Hot Air. Metrygirl, I’m a Metry girl too. :-)

Laura on February 28, 2009 at 1:05 AM

Northshore here.

Does that count?

Or do I hafta go back almost 40 years to my Green Acres Rd. days?

;)

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 7:44 PM

ascension parish here

cajunlady on February 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

I live in New Orleans and went through Katrina – actually, I live in Slidell, LA – and the eye of Katrina went right over my house – I flooded to a level of 5 and half feet – lost everything downstairs – which was about – everything.

Katrina is tale of three states – Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. Mississippi actually bore the brunt of the storm yet Louisiana is known for having the most difficulty and making the most bad decisions. Alabama and Mississippi – led by Republican Governors and I have to say they were backed up by a population of people who believed that sitting around and waiting for government to solve a problem is always a losing proposition. It’s how these folks were raised and that is why they did well – they took care of themselves and each other.

Louisiana on the other hand – was damned on two fronts – first – the “I’m entitled” mentality of most New Orleaneans. These people never learned how to take care of themselves – because their political leaders, the Democrats – told them they didn’t have to – that government OWED them.

Second – a Democratic Mayor and a Democratic Governor damned Louisiana because Democrats believe power is for the taking – not for the earning. These people were not qualified for the positions they held and did nothing but blame Bush – which is what all Democrats do – or did then.

Katrina was an extremely large storm – a biblical storm – you can’t blame Bush for the response. But in my opinion – you CAN give kudos to the people of MS and AL and at the same time tell Louisianans that they behaved like spoiled children in New Orleans.

I am a Louisianan – and this is my view.

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

HondaV65, didn’t the Slidel, Covington area actually receive more damage from Katrina than New Orleans? The worst damage to NO was from the leeves breaking. I know I drove through both areas and from what I could tell the wind damage was much worse in Slidell than NO.

cajunlady on February 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Katrina was an extremely large storm – a biblical storm – you can’t blame Bush for the response. But in my opinion – you CAN give kudos to the people of MS and AL and at the same time tell Louisianans that they behaved like spoiled children in New Orleans.

I am a Louisianan – and this is my view.

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Fine enough, but the pick for the person leading FEMA bungled everything except having good relations with the Bush administration.

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Fine enough, but the pick for the person leading FEMA bungled everything except having good relations with the Bush administration.

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Whatever – it didn’t affect me in the least because I do not allow any government to control my destiny. I didn’t a plan on any help, and didn’t expect any. Did I get some? Oh yea, the ice and MRE’s that FEMA handed out were great – but I would have gotten on without them.

Tell me WTF the head of FEMA is supposed to do for ME? Is he supposed to protect my family from starving dogs roaming the neighborhood? I did that (thank you founding fathers and the second amendment). He is supposed to gut my house for me? Pfft!

People think the bank bailout last year was the first bailout? Nope – Katrina was.

Thousands of people lost their lives in the Galveston Hurricane at the beginning of the 20th century – they didn’t know a storm was coming – that was a tragedy.

What happened in New Orleans was STUPIDITY. They knew it was coming. And don’t give me the crap about the people couldn’t leave the city. A hurricane travels slower than you can walk.

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 8:48 PM

HondaV65, didn’t the Slidel, Covington area actually receive more damage from Katrina than New Orleans? The worst damage to NO was from the leeves breaking. I know I drove through both areas and from what I could tell the wind damage was much worse in Slidell than NO.

cajunlady on February 28, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Well we got both wind and flooding but truthfully – most of my damage was flooding. I had less than 9K in wind damage but about 80K in flooding damage.

New Orleans got hit hard too – there’s no doubt about that, I don’t really want to claim my experience was worse than theirs – but my mother and father prepared me for it when I was growing up a lot better than theirs did obviously.

I will say this – Conservatives sometimes don’t do well when these things happen. Conservatives usually bet that people will by and large do the right thing for survival – and not do stupid things – like camp out in the path of a biblical storm in a city that sits below sea level. Conservatives kind of figure that we’ll get a little help from the individual since it’s his heartbeat at stake.

Guess we were wrong there huh?

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 8:48 PM

They’re not supposed to screw up the recovery effort in places around you that didn’t fare as well.

In that disaster, everybody screwed up.

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 8:48 PM

+1

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM

The smear that Bush horribly mishandled Katrina has been one of the most dishonest smears we’ve had to listen to over the past few years. Like all federal bureaucracies, FEMA took too long to start being effective. But it would have been much worse if Bush hadn’t mobilized them days before Katrina actually hit.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 2:24 PM

The problem is that’s not a smear, that’s the truth – he did mishandle his side of it.

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 6:46 PM

What, specifically, did he mishandle? That is, what did Bush do in handling Katrina that was worse than how FEMA handled disasters in the past?

After all, you’re not just saying he didn’t do better than previous presidents. You’re saying he completely screwed it up.

There is nothing to the smear. It’s just another opportunity to bash Bush, Bush started FEMA preparing for the Katrina event days before it came, had them pre-positioning supplies as close to where they expected Katrina to hit as they could afford to before Katrina hit, had the Coast Guard at work ASAP afterwards, and met with the governor of Louisiana in the immediate aftermath to give what support he could. It was the mayor of New Orleans who refused to give an evacuation order, was caught flat-footed when the levees broke, and had no plan or preparation. It was the governor of Louisiana who refused to act.

I said smear, and that’s exactly what it was. When you can give credit where due, then your opinion will count for something.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

They’re not supposed to screw up the recovery effort in places around you that didn’t fare as well.

In that disaster, everybody screwed up.

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 9:01 PM

Hmmm…Haley Barbour did pretty well next door?

Same FEMA, different story.

How do you explain that?

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Why is it that LIES upon LIES are spread about Katrina?

You know who you liars are.

Read up:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

“REALITY: Bumbling by top disaster-management officials fueled a perception of general inaction, one that was compounded by impassioned news anchors. In fact, the response to Hurricane Katrina was by far the largest–and fastest-rescue effort in U.S. history, with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving on the scene within three days of the storm’s landfall.”

“It goes on to point out that dozens of National Guard and Coast Guard helicopters were flying rescue operations within the first two hours after Katrina hit, and that by the end of the week, “50,000 National Guard troops in the Gulf Coast region had saved 17,000 people; 4,000 Coast Guard personnel saved more than 33,000.”

Let us try to be truthful for once.

I know the tools and trolls among you would NOT know the truth if hit you in face. You probably still think the GOP ran Congress the past two years.

Jamson64 on February 28, 2009 at 9:20 PM

It was the governor of Louisiana who refused to act.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Yup. Governor Kathleen “What Do I Do I’m Drawing A” Blanco.

Louisiana Governor’s Mansion: 08-29-05

Governor’s aide; Governor Blanco, we’re getting reports of levees overtopping and flooding in New Orleans…what are your directions?

Governor Blanco; Oh I don’t know. I need 24 hours to decide.

Aide; But Governor, the water may be 20 feet deep by then!

Governor. Oh My! , In that case you better give me 48 hours.

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 9:22 PM

I live in New Orleans and went through Katrina – actually, I live in Slidell, LA – and the eye of Katrina went right over my house – I flooded to a level of 5 and half feet – lost everything downstairs – which was about – everything.

Katrina is tale of three states – Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. Mississippi actually bore the brunt of the storm yet Louisiana is known for having the most difficulty and making the most bad decisions. Alabama and Mississippi – led by Republican Governors and I have to say they were backed up by a population of people who believed that sitting around and waiting for government to solve a problem is always a losing proposition. It’s how these folks were raised and that is why they did well – they took care of themselves and each other.

Louisiana on the other hand – was damned on two fronts – first – the “I’m entitled” mentality of most New Orleaneans. These people never learned how to take care of themselves – because their political leaders, the Democrats – told them they didn’t have to – that government OWED them.

Second – a Democratic Mayor and a Democratic Governor damned Louisiana because Democrats believe power is for the taking – not for the earning. These people were not qualified for the positions they held and did nothing but blame Bush – which is what all Democrats do – or did then.

Katrina was an extremely large storm – a biblical storm – you can’t blame Bush for the response. But in my opinion – you CAN give kudos to the people of MS and AL and at the same time tell Louisianans that they behaved like spoiled children in New Orleans.

I am a Louisianan – and this is my view.

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Exactly. I’m from Mississippi, and MS and AL handled it pretty well. Most of Louisiana handled it okay, but the entitlement mentality of New Orleans and the famous political corruption there got in the way, as it always does.

We live an hour north of the Gulf Coast, so we missed the absolute worst of the storm, but we had tons of storm damage and trees down. Getting power restored took weeks, and the weather was hot, humid, and freakishly calm. Virtually everybody cleared their own yards and driveways, and frequently the smaller roads.

While I’m at it, we had tons of help from other states. We routinely saw power trucks from as far away as Nebraska. That’s just the way this country is.

FEMA was tied up in red tape, but it always has been. If you really want to bash Bush, you’re going to have to do better than, “FEMA is a big bureaucracy.” They did do a lot, just not that efficiently. And they wouldn’t have done that well if Bush hadn’t prodded them into place ahead of time.

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM

I am a Louisianan – and this is my view.

HondaV65 on February 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Me too and I agree with everything you said. I moved to New Orleans two years ago and its sad that people here are still complaining about how the world owes them all a living.

Its like that Aesop’s fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper but the grasshopper has a big mouth and hasn’t learned his lesson.

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

I think that makes six Bayou Staters if I’ve counted right.

Well, six who will actually admit citizenship.

hah

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 9:45 PM

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM

You think Bush would have had a competent man who could cut through it. He didn’t.

He screwed up with that office and we end up with an error that makes the rest of government look clean.

Truth, not smear.

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Our system of government will only last as long as the populace can make informed decisions.

As we’ve seen with the last election, the news media is now driven to deny the electorate that information lest they make “wrong” decisions.

And it appears that having found that level of power, the news media is now using it as a weapon against all who would oppose their King.

These are dark times indeed.

18-1 on February 28, 2009 at 10:32 PM

sethstorm on February 28, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Maybe you missed this…

Hmmm…Haley Barbour did pretty well next door?

Same FEMA, different story.

How do you explain that?

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Still waiting for that explanation.

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Me too and I agree with everything you said. I moved to New Orleans two years ago and its sad that people here are still complaining about how the world owes them all a living.

Its like that Aesop’s fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper but the grasshopper has a big mouth and hasn’t learned his lesson.

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM

I wouldn’t say that is isolated to NOLA though. Look at how many Obama voters now expect him to give them money.

Of course based on the Obama’s trillions of dollars of giveaways appears to be his plan.

I guess it is appropriate that we are about to get a movie version of Atlas Shrugged…

18-1 on February 28, 2009 at 10:38 PM

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 10:33 PM

My aunt and uncle live in Biloxi and they love Barbour over there. If you go to Biloxi today, you would have never guessed a major storm hit there four years ago.

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I wouldn’t say that is isolated to NOLA though. Look at how many Obama voters now expect him to give them money.

Of course based on the Obama’s trillions of dollars of giveaways appears to be his plan.

I guess it is appropriate that we are about to get a movie version of Atlas Shrugged…

18-1 on February 28, 2009 at 10:38 PM

You’re right, it’s not isolated to New Orleans. What I find funny though is that everyone is now clamoring about a high speed rail project between NOLA and Baton Rouge that the T-P says Jindal thought was wasteful. He didn’t even mention a word about that project at all.

The other thing the idiots don’t realize is that it’s going to be difficult to setup a rail on swampland that can sustain a train going 100+ MPH. The federal government couldn’t even keep the levee system here maintained, you think they’re going to maintain a new high speed rail system? It could be years before they start on the project and a decade before the first train departs.

No, they don’t care, they just want their goodies.

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM

We live an hour north of the Gulf Coast, so we missed the absolute worst of the storm, but we had tons of storm damage and trees down. Getting power restored took weeks, and the weather was hot, humid, and freakishly calm. Virtually everybody cleared their own yards and driveways, and frequently the smaller roads

Same here. We are about an hour north of New Orleans and we had some wind damage, trees on houses, power outages for as much as 3wks. in some area it was 6wks. but not only did we all pitch in and help our neighbors clear debris and secure damaged homes, several families in our area took in a lot of people from NO area. A co-worker of mine had 27 people living with her for almost 6 months after Katrina. Not everyone in Louisiana was waiting for anyone to help them. The whining and handwringing came from the same people who have been living off of the taxpayers their whole lives, and those are the ones that the media focused on. You didn’t see what the surrounding areas were doing to help each other. Most businesses in our community allowed employees to take a day off to volunteer in area shelters. But you never saw stories like that in the national news.

cajunlady on February 28, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Whatever – it didn’t affect me in the least because I do not allow any government to control my destiny. I didn’t a plan on any help, and didn’t expect any. Did I get some? Oh yea, the ice and MRE’s that FEMA handed out were great – but I would have gotten on without them.

Tell me WTF the head of FEMA is supposed to do for ME? Is he supposed to protect my family from starving dogs roaming the neighborhood? I did that (thank you founding fathers and the second amendment). He is supposed to gut my house for me? Pfft!

People think the bank bailout last year was the first bailout? Nope – Katrina was.

Thousands of people lost their lives in the Galveston Hurricane at the beginning of the 20th century – they didn’t know a storm was coming – that was a tragedy.

What happened in New Orleans was STUPIDITY. They knew it was coming. And don’t give me the crap about the people couldn’t leave the city. A hurricane travels slower than you can walk.

Could not have said it better.

cajunlady on February 28, 2009 at 11:00 PM

cajunlady on February 28, 2009 at 10:48 PM

I worked for a company that owned a small bank based in Covington. One of the first things the owner did was put bank employees up in hotels and some houses he had in Baton Rouge so people could get a hot bath and AC. All out of his pocket and didn’t ask for a dime back. He gave money to employees who lost houses in New Orleans, even one that lived in Pascagoula that lost everything.

The next thing he did was get a branch operating in Covington two days after the storm so people could cash checks while ATMs were out of service. It was the first bank to open after the storm hit. I was doing the IT work because their sysadmin evacuated to Arkansas and took over Bank IT till he got back three weeks later.

Many of the people who worked for the bank, like you, were without power for weeks. Whats really sad is that the guy lives in one of the most liberal parts of northern California and they hate his guts there only because he’s a conservative and gives a lot to the GOP. He didn’t get any credit in the media here or there for what he did to help people out.

My dad works for the cable company that covers the northshore and they did a lot to help their employees. You didn’t hear about that either.

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 10:38 PM

You’re right. I was in Bay St. Louis a couple of months ago.

The contrast with NOLA is stark.

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 11:08 PM

We are about an hour north of New Orleans…
cajunlady on February 28, 2009 at 10:48 PM

I’ll wave next time I pass Windmill Nursery.

Which will be tomorrow.

lol

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Those stories didn’t/don’t fit the Media Narrative.

And should I look for you next time I’m in The Tap Room?

Wondering just how many neighbors I have in this thread.

;>

soundingboard on February 28, 2009 at 11:17 PM

And should I look for you next time I’m in The Tap Room?

I haven’t been to Covington since I left a consulting gig a while back. I don’t think I’ve been to The Tap Room but may have stumbled in there during my single days.

Lay-Z on February 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM

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