Quotes of the day

posted at 10:35 pm on February 26, 2009 by Allahpundit

“If you want to get a sense of how unserious and ungrounded most Americans think the Republican Party is, look no further than how conservatives elevate Joe the Plumber as a spokesman. The movement has become so gimmick-driven that Wurzelbacher will be a conservative hero long after people have forgotten what his legitimate policy beef with Obama was.

A movement self-confident in its place in American society would not have made Joe the Plumber a bigger story than he actually was. Since its very beginnings as a movement, conservatism has bought into liberalism’s dominant place in the American political process. They controlled all the major institutions: the media, academia, Hollywood, the Democratic Party, large segments of the Republican Party, and consequently, the government. Liberalism’s image of conservatives in the ’50s and ’60s as paranoid Birchers gave birth to a conservative movement self-conscious of its minority status. As in any tribe that is small in number and can’t fully trust its most natural allies (i.e. the business community or the Republican Party), the meta-debate of who is inside and outside the tribe is magnified exponentially.”

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“Much as their blind loyalty discredited the Right, perhaps the worst effect of Limbaugh et al. has been their draining away of political energy from what might have been a much more worthwhile project: the fostering of a middlebrow conservatism. There is nothing wrong with lowbrow conservatism. It’s energizing and fun. What’s wrong is the impression fixed in the minds of too many Americans that conservatism is always lowbrow, an impression our enemies gleefully reinforce when the opportunity arises. Thus a liberal like E.J. Dionne can write, ‘The cause of Edmund Burke, Leo Strauss, Robert Nisbet and William F. Buckley Jr. is now in the hands of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity. … Reason has been overwhelmed by propaganda, ideas by slogans.’ Talk radio has contributed mightily to this development…

Conservatives have never had, and never should have, a problem with elitism. Why have we allowed carny barkers to run away with the Right?”

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I do not care what sells. I don’t care about image. I care about conservative principles and values. I care about people who can articulate these values without worrying about who does or doesn’t like it.
Rush Limbaugh’s contribution to the conservative movement dwarfs the combined efforts of Patrick Ruffini, John Derbyshire, and yes, Allahpundit, the man so ashamed of his views, he hides behind a pseudonym.

thebriand on February 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Derbyshire is an idiot

jp on February 26, 2009 at 11:48 PM

ddrintn on February 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

We lost because a conservative was not nominated. You want to be like democrats, join them.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Derb is writing for American Conservative now? The mag that a year ago dressed up Rudy as Hitler and put it on their cover? They are nutters

If they aren’t complete whackjobs, they are working for the left trying to drive a wedge inside the GOP via idiotic idea’s like kicking Limbaugh to the curve.

Derb doesn’t even know that William F. Buckley and Rothbard hated each other, Rothbard is the Ron Paul/Lew Rockwell of today. Certifiable Fruitcakes

jp on February 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM

I’m having a good laugh. AP is such a rabble-rouser.

JimRich on February 26, 2009 at 11:36 PM

The rumour is Allahpundit is New Yorkish
A New Yorker who’s playing cockadoodledo
Were I Allahpundit, I’d feel rather skittish
But what can he do?

It’s possible our hero flirts with danger
How he wishes KP would flirt with he
Methinks the evening will grow even stranger
Ah, mais oui

PercyB on February 26, 2009 at 11:52 PM

Republicans are going to have to fight like dogs to keep the liberals and their friends in the press from controlling
the message again in 2010/2012.

Baxter Greene on February 26, 2009 at 11:43 PM

Well, everyday I read (online) that another newspaper has gone under and online newspapers are going to try and charge for viewership. The information stream will be online for 2010/2012 if that’s the case. This is an opportunity to get the message out online. Not on radio, not on TV, but online. And I don’t mean in those awful long huge verbose texts that McCain had on his Issues site (who will weed through that!?) Viral marketing and social networks aren’t only good for online ads and sales. They’re good for spreading and sharing information. I’m watching an exponential growth in blogging as well (must be alot of unrest as I thought that would slow down after inaugaration, hmmm). There’s an explosion in the last couple of months of people in my age group (I’ll never tell) on sites like Facebook and I’m sure coming to places like this (here I am) and signing up at places like Twitter.

jusgottabeme on February 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

a big reason we lost is because Politics is Cyclical

the MSM being in the tank throughout the Bush years and especially for Obama is just as big a factor.

Its amazing we may have won if not for the financial crisis

jp on February 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Just what “story” are you referring to? And how does said story get you a speaking role at a policy conference. Conservatives are letting their internal policy debates get blown around by guys like JTP just like liberals suffer from Cindy Sheehan’s idiocy passing as a legitimate foreign policy.

Even on the talk radio side of things, where for better or worse a lot of internal conservative thought bouncing goes on, there is a reliance on ultra simple, easy to digest soundbytes and allusions to the everyman when analyzing current events and even proposing policies.

ernesto on February 26, 2009 at 11:43 PM

The “story” is of a guy who asks a fairly simple question and then has to undergo a public proctological exam. Don’t worry, I don’t think Joe the Plumber is going to be a major formulator of policy. I don’t think Cindy Sheehan is either, really.

But guy, if your ideas are such that they can only be related in the pages of some 300-page quarterly journal, or given forth by Ivy League professors at white-tie dinners, best of luck to ya.

ddrintn on February 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Pure dumb luck.

SnarkVader on February 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Rather be lucky than you.

thomasaur on February 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

If you bow to the opposition’s definitions of your positions, you lose.

The Republicans lost because of this, and because they (McCain, et al) didn’t have the balls to kick the Dems and Obama where it hurts:

right in their crotch of corruption and complicity in the Fannie Mae debacle which underlies the entire economic collapse, and failed to put a swift boot in Barry’s weak grasp of everything but race-baiting, pork pandering, and “I’m a bro” simperin’ n’ smilin’.

Along with his duplicitious and ludicrous “I’m actually more conservative than my opponents” aw-shucks-in’ and jivin’.

The Republiclods kept saying how nice and how safe and how smart Obama was, and what a great “story” he made, and how he showed what a non-bigoted county we were.

Who the hell cares about any of that distracting drivel?

The country is being sold out and undermined by those failing their sworn Constitutional oaths to uphold the laws, defend the borders, and to be fiscally responsible.

Weak sisters who do not scream about this betrayal will lose.

Obama went for their jugular …with a disarming grin.

McCain and the rest of the R’s grimaced and meekly bowed to the themes that Barry and the rest of their opponents set.

If you accept your rival’s definitions of things, you have pre-lost.

Defy their definitions, and hit them back as hard as they strike you, or prepare to continue losing.

profitsbeard on February 26, 2009 at 11:54 PM

ddrintn on February 26, 2009 at 10:42 PM

We lost because a conservative was not nominated. You want to be like democrats, join them.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Uh, yeah, that’s what I’ve said.

ddrintn on February 26, 2009 at 11:55 PM

Its amazing we may have won if not for the financial crisis

Agreed. The wheel was bound to turn. People were tired of Bush (after the savaging he took by the MSM and didn’t fight back) and the war. McCain was underwhelming but had the financial crisis not happened he might have won. His failure to point out the Dems were largely responsible for the crisis was a problem. I think people are now getting a reminder of what liberal rule is like and they will tire of it quickly.

echosyst on February 26, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Conservatives have never had, and never should have, a problem with elitism. Why have we allowed carny barkers to run away with the Right?”

Elitism again? Our government is supposed to be of and for the people, not a small group of pompous elitists so far removed from reality they don’t even recognize the fallaciousness of their own nuanced arguments based on untested extrapolations. What matters is that conservatives have a near monopoly on reason and history as it pertains to governance consistent with freedom, liberty and prosperity coupled with national security.

There’s room for intellectuals in the conservative movement, IMO, but not elitists. This assumes that the difference between an intellectual and an elitist is whether or not they look down their nose at people.

FloatingRock on February 26, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Hey, I bumped into Joe this morning.

Let me tell you, there are a lot of freekin people here at CPAC.

Obama winning has done more to galvanize the conservative movement than anything else.

Also, I’m detecting optismism not despair from the people here.

I’m getting good vibes from all the sessions I’ve been in. Michelle Bachmann signing my Sarah poster was today’s highlight along with that bigass shoutfest at the Hispanic Coalition.

Sapwolf on February 26, 2009 at 11:57 PM

One major reason Liberalism has been successful that those quoted seem to ignore is that it takes from half and gives what is taken to the other half. Throw in media control, voter fraud, and general public apathy through materialism and its no wonder it wins elections.
That being said, a strong conservative who is clearly different from his opponent will do much better than lame ducks like McCain and Dole. You have to at least give people a clear and obvious difference, not just liberal and diet liberal.

Grayson on February 26, 2009 at 11:59 PM

Derbyshire supported the right candidate in the primaries…

We need Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reily, and Glenn Beck to throw their support behind the only nominee that follows the Constitution (Dr. Paul).

The Dean on February 27, 2009 at 12:02 AM

The “story” is of a guy who asks a fairly simple question and then has to undergo a public proctological exam. Don’t worry, I don’t think Joe the Plumber is going to be a major formulator of policy. I don’t think Cindy Sheehan is either, really.

But guy, if your ideas are such that they can only be related in the pages of some 300-page quarterly journal, or given forth by Ivy League professors at white-tie dinners, best of luck to ya.

ddrintn on February 26, 2009 at 11:53 PM

Well i would argue that Cindy Sheehan’s nonsense had a lot to do with Nancy Pelosi contradicting the President on current Iraq troop levels, but i get what you’re saying. although part of me really does wish there were more voters out there that have picked up at least Foreign Affairs once. Just look at the campaign speeches and talk show discourse from even just 30 years ago. the discourse was at least done on a less low-brow level than it currently stands.

im 22. i didnt see reagan, and wasn’t aware of the world during clinton. i was a sophomore in highschool on 9/11…all i know is the current political climate, and its freaking rotten. I see a video of a buckley debate and wonder where that went. it gets frustrating and i think thats where alot of this criticism is coming from.

ernesto on February 27, 2009 at 12:03 AM

pearson on February 26, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Dead on!

jusgottabeme on February 27, 2009 at 12:04 AM

Hey, you know who we really need leading the conservative movement in this country right now..Ron Paul.

AUINSC on February 27, 2009 at 12:07 AM

We need Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reily, and Glenn Beck to throw their support behind the only nominee that follows the Constitution (Dr. Paul).

Due respect, that will never happen and Paul will never be president. Despite his many good points, people see him and his followers as loons on the fringe. Despite some rabid core followers, he didn’t even make a dent in the primaries in the last election.

echosyst on February 27, 2009 at 12:09 AM

Has this guy even listened to the talk radio hosts he’s bashing as simple-minded sloganeers? Talk radio audiences are much more knowledgeable about current events, elected officials, legislation, the Constitution and political policy than most other Americans. It’s the uninformed people out there who vote based on their “feelings” rather than rational facts that give us 0bama and his ilk. Conservative talk radio isn’t meant to be a substitute for intellectual pursuits – although apparently some be surprised to find how educational and stimulating many popular programs can be – but rather as a place to present and analyze political news. With the mainstream media being little more than a liberal propaganda wing running interference for the Democrats, talk radio is desperately needed.

Sign of the Dollar on February 27, 2009 at 12:12 AM

Heh, Allah is dead right. There are plenty of people who voted for Obama who aren’t enamored with him. The problem is that the alternative is a bunch of nutball zealots with bibles and nascar hats. One party rule – regardless of party isn’t good. Healthy opposition is. Even if you lose and aren’t in power you can shape the debate. As it stands, that isn’t happening.

Time to clean up the image. Think Eisenhower and Buckley – fools like Sarah Palin and Joe/Sam the ‘Plumber’ don’t cut it.

Teh winner.

radiofreevillage on February 27, 2009 at 12:12 AM

United we stand, divided we get four more years of Obama. I ask, can America withstand 4 more years?

DL13 on February 27, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Paul is a crackpot when it comes to foreign policy. His fiscal guy called this recession 2 years ago. Lets listen to him.

csdeven on February 27, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Glenn Beck is doing more to ignite the passions of American Exceptionalism/ists more than anyone in the media

I’m in his corner and we both have lots of guns and lost of balls.

amend2 on February 27, 2009 at 12:17 AM

Has this guy even listened to the talk radio hosts he’s bashing as simple-minded sloganeers? Talk radio audiences are much more knowledgeable about current events, elected officials, legislation, the Constitution and political policy than most other Americans. It’s the uninformed people out there who vote based on their “feelings” rather than rational facts that give us 0bama and his ilk. Conservative talk radio isn’t meant to be a substitute for intellectual pursuits – although apparently some be surprised to find how educational and stimulating many popular programs can be – but rather as a place to present and analyze political news. With the mainstream media being little more than a liberal propaganda wing running interference for the Democrats, talk radio is desperately needed.

Sign of the Dollar on February 27, 2009 at 12:12 AM

If thats the case, where are the conservative “intellectual pursuits”? Forgive my example, for every hannity…wheres the conservative NPR? Somewhere where news and analysis of it isnt done in such an coulteresque juvenile fashion. because im sorry, but hannity/coulter/rush/oreilly can be right but use very juvenile emotional arguments to get their point across…where is there a place devoid of that? without a visible wing of the party on that side of things its easy to marginalize republicans as all JTP’s running around with slogans as their only ammunition for use against the real problems we face.

ernesto on February 27, 2009 at 12:17 AM

I’m more convinced than EVAH that city folks don’t understand anything but liberal speak and thought processes.

SouthernGent on February 27, 2009 at 12:20 AM

Paul is a crackpot when it comes to foreign policy. His fiscal guy called this recession 2 years ago. Lets listen to him.

csdeven on February 27, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Yeah, on the very narrow deficit/government spending side he’s fine…it’s the anti-sdemitic, isolationist, protectionist part that’s the deal breaker for me. See Buchanan, Patrick.

AUINSC on February 27, 2009 at 12:20 AM

“Conservatives have never had, and never should have, a problem with elitism.”

Because we should all want other people, who are smarter than we are, to think for us, and make decisions for us. That’s the heart of true conservatism, after all.

notropis on February 27, 2009 at 12:21 AM

Ever since the open registration, there are a lot of PRETEND conservatives on here.

SouthernGent on February 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM

Paul is a crackpot when it comes to foreign policy. His fiscal guy called this recession 2 years ago. Lets listen to him.

csdeven on February 27, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Peter Schiff. I’d love it if he were running our economy but, as with Ron Paul, I don’t want him anywhere near our national security policy.

FloatingRock on February 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Hey Allah!

Your Statement:

“If you want to get a sense of how unserious and ungrounded most Americans think the Republican Party is, look no further than how conservatives elevate Joe the Plumber as a spokesman.”

Define most.

I don’t think liberals like you can sense this but the bedrock of conservativism (not libertarian idiots like you who only care about legalizing pot and gay marriage) is seriously pissed off. These real Republicans are decidedly not “ungrounded” when they respond to these statements because it is what they truly believe when idiots like you tell them to vote McCain because he is a centrist.

You are as much a demagogue as the filthy liar in the White House. You are a blogger and congrats in your success. But, don’t you dare suggest that “most” Americans join you in your personal hatred of real conservatives.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Ever since the open registration, there are a lot of PRETEND conservatives on here.

SouthernGent on February 27, 2009 at 12:22 AM

That’s okay since one of the hosts is also a pretend conservative.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 12:24 AM

Things/people Allahpundit hates:

Palin
Jindal
JtP
Non-elitists
HA commenters

Blake on February 27, 2009 at 12:25 AM

In response…..

Liberals uphold FEEBs like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi as their heros. I’m sure Karl Marx, Stalin, Chavez, Castro, and Hitler are right in there too.

/BIG spit on the libs. May they all die hard.

Spiritk9 on February 27, 2009 at 12:25 AM

movement has become so gimmick-driven There is nothing wrong with lowbrow conservatism. It’s energizing and fun.

there are so many inaccurate, spurious cliches in this article, little streams of blood spurt from my tear ducts.
liberal, conservative, blah, blah. the country is primarily conservative not liberal. the only liberals I’ve ever met are actually libertarians. nota bene: I’ve never lived in the ghettos.

anti-boomer on February 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM

You are as much a demagogue as the filthy liar in the White House. You are a blogger and congrats in your success. But, don’t you dare suggest that “most” Americans join you in your personal hatred of real conservatives.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Allah posted it, but it’s not his statement…it’s Patrick Ruffini’s…it’s the Quote of the Day.

These quotes represent the so-called ‘elitist’ or ‘intellectual’ part of the conservative movement.

AUINSC on February 27, 2009 at 12:27 AM

If thats the case, where are the conservative “intellectual pursuits”? Forgive my example, for every hannity…wheres the conservative NPR?

AHHAH…think about that last question real hard? Where is the tax payer subsidized conservative propaganda outlet. That is a real good question

Somewhere where news and analysis of it isnt done in such an coulteresque juvenile fashion. because im sorry, but hannity/coulter/rush/oreilly can be right but use very juvenile emotional arguments to get their point across…where is there a place devoid of that? without a visible wing of the party on that side of things its easy to marginalize republicans as all JTP’s running around with slogans as their only ammunition for use against the real problems we face.

ernesto on February 27, 2009 at 12:17 AM

No offense, but you are f’n 22. I doubt you have listened to much of any to really form truly educated opinion on it. I will agree with you though that Hannity is crap and when I first saw Bill Oreily he was on Inside Edition. Rush I used to respect, but he cares more about advertisers than country. However, to say they simply using very juvenile emotional arguments just reveals your ignorance of the medium. Please provide examples.

I will say that the rage has increased. For those of us that have been following politics for decades, we have made our decisions long ago. All stances on political issues are based one’s on moral code and is rarely going to be changed. Frankly right now I just want to fight because this endless debating is getting old.

ClassicCon on February 27, 2009 at 12:29 AM

They surely did. At the very least, by yoking themselves to the clueless George W. Bush and his free-spending administration

John Derbyshire is a contributing editor of National Review and the author of, most recently, Unknown Quantity: A Real and Imaginary History of Algebra.

Ok this guy wrote a book about the Imaginary History of Algebra and I am supposed to take his view seriously? Sounds like a self-centered twit who wants to debate his elite liberal buddies but they play the talk radio card on him and he is too lame to have a comeback. Here is some advice for John Derbyshire…In America and certainly in politics you can start and maintain whatever “movement” you want but you don’t seem to be saying anything here except you want to lead the parade and Rush is unfairly hogging the spotlight. Sir people will not even know who you are if they shut down talk radio and if you think the mainstream media is going to megaphone your message why aren’t they now and what is stopping you? Thank God we have talk radio or we wouldn’t even know what ANY conservatives stood for.

Conan on February 27, 2009 at 12:32 AM

Glenn Beck is doing more to ignite the passions of American Exceptionalism/ists more than anyone in the media

I’m in his corner and we both have lots of guns and lost of balls.

amend2 on February 27, 2009 at 12:17 AM

hahaha…classic.

Beck is a dough boy.

ClassicCon on February 27, 2009 at 12:32 AM

A few observations:
I saw the case made last year during the primaries that republicans should embrace elitism, equating it with exceptionalism, and urging conservatives to embrace elitism.
We all know that conservatives are usually republicans, but all republicans aren’t necessarily conservative (Specter, Snowe, McCain, etc.)
Republicans have traditionally been linked as the party of the rich, perhaps so, especially in the 50′s and 60′s.
Conservatives cut across all social and economic strata, bonded only by priciples that a normally educated person finds easy to understand.
Finally, short of a third party rising from the conservative movement, the republicans are stuck with us, and if we more resemble Rush Limbaugh or Ted Nugent than Arlen Specter, it is their problem, not ours.
Conservatives need to stick to their principles, and demand that their representatives do too.

OneEyedJack on February 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Although Ernesto does have a point.

OneEyedJack on February 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM

If thats the case, where are the conservative “intellectual pursuits”?

ernesto on February 27, 2009 at 12:17 AM

I think a lot of that sort of thing happens in law firms that pursue conservative interpretations of the Constitution.

Conservatives don’t have a “free-floating pseudo-intellectual class” like NPR employees, so expecting there to be a “conservative NPR” is a mistake.

Leftists are always trying to come up with the hot, new theory of everything. First it was socialism, then it was Communism, then it was existentialism, then it was structuralism, then it was post-structuralism, then it was deconstruction, then it was critical theory, then it was post-Marxism, etc.

Meanwhile, conservatives think the Founding Fathers laid it out pretty well and are fine sticking with that. I forget which President said it, but in response to some Progressives who wanted to “improve” the Constitution, he said, “What’s there to improve? Either man is born with inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or he isn’t.”

venividivici on February 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Lets review;

‘Joe the Plumber’,an American who obviously loves flag
and country was minding his own business in his yard,when
Team Obama made a calculating decision,that,this particular
area,er’community’looked safe to test out Obama’s Hope and
Change tax Plans!

Obama and the MSM,didn’t get the ‘soundbites’that they
needed of a Liberal moonbat,that would agree with Obamas
tax policies,that would ‘paint America’as the perception
that ‘ALL OF AMERICA,AGREE’S with Obama,and what resulted
was ‘How many other Americans might believe,that Obama’s
Tax Policies,Punish,and not Reward the American Dream!!

No,it became damage control,after Americans had seen the
interaction of Obama’s so-called ‘Fairness Tax Doctrine’
video of Joe the plumber,it sent a ‘Chill up every American
s spine’,as to how Liberal compassionism works!

Then,Team Obama,during a Presidential election,could not af
ford to have ‘Dissent’,and Obama’s deception hi-jacked by
one,normal ‘Joe the average American’!

So,’Joe the Plumber’ became ‘Paul Revere’,and went on any
MSM that would have him,sounding the alert,”Obama’s Tax
Plan is Coming,Punishment Tax for an American Dream,run
like H#ll,Obama’s Tax plans a cometh,run like H#ll”!!

Then,strangely enough,’Joe the Plumber’ sounded more like
‘Right Thinking’,a Republican!

The lines were drawn,Hopey tried to kill the messenger,
‘Search and destroy missions’ were ordered,but,it was too
late,over half of America has seen the light,and the real
and true Obama agenda!

So,here was little,average Joe,minding his own business,
and by chance,Hopey critized Joe,and Joe fought back,

and after Obama,who tried delibertly,to smear,and attemped
to ruin Joe’s entegrity,his credibility,for asking a quest
ion of Hopey’s tax policies,Joe then decided to fight back
and as any resilent and can-do American does,he improvised
on his occupation,

and became a citizen Journalist,and ‘FOUGHT BACK”!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on February 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM

“Obama – your mouth’s writing checks that your Treasury Bills can’t cash!”

Another hysterical Allah post about the Dims taking over the world and we just have Jindal and JTP while they have that powerhouse Obama.
Remember: Bush had higher approval ratings at this stage.
2010 is a long way away and the conservatives have got to stick to message and not do a Frumian “We’re Dems too” shtick or running around in circles like Allah.
The bill has not come due on this mega-scam and it will.
When the crackheads and scumbags finish cashing their “stimulus” checks at the 7-11 to buy beer and beef jerky, the rest of the country will not enjoy bankrupting our nation’s future for that spectacle.

TexasJew on February 27, 2009 at 12:37 AM

I know the Conservative populace is clamoring to hear what Ruffini and Derbyshire will have to say next, they are truly the intellectual giants of the movement. Only by following them and people like AP will we be successful. Even though Rush has dominated the airwaves for over 20 years and has millions of listeners, we should throw him under the bus. Palin should be tossed too, just because thousands of people around the country flocked to hear her speak doesn’t mean they actually related to her or anything. What the folks really want is more Derbyshire and Ruffini! Who are they and what have they done again?

echosyst on February 27, 2009 at 12:37 AM

You are as much a demagogue as the filthy liar in the White House. You are a blogger and congrats in your success. But, don’t you dare suggest that “most” Americans join you in your personal hatred of real conservatives.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM

Jesus Christ, how many times do people have to explain to you that the quote of the day is NOT SOMETHING ALLAHPUNDIT SAID??

SnarkVader on February 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM

“If you want to get a sense of how unserious and ungrounded most Americans think the Republican Party is, look no further than how conservatives elevate Joe the Plumber as a spokesman. The movement has become so gimmick-driven that Wurzelbacher will be a conservative hero long after people have forgotten what his legitimate policy beef with Obama was.

Socialism and blatant, rampant abuse of government power for political ends. This will not be forgotten 200 years into the future, and, when the future history books are written and detail the fall of the greatest nation to have ever existed, Joe Wurzelbacher will figure prominently as the canary in the coal mine who almost saved America by doing what none of the “professionals” could – get the idiot messiah to speak plainly about the hell he planned on plunging America into. Anyone who thinks that Joe will be forgotten is a very poor student of history, or, at least, doesn’t understand how it unfolds.

A movement self-confident in its place in American society would not have made Joe the Plumber a bigger story than he actually was.

Quite the opposite, as regards the confidence of the movement – or self-confidence, if Ruffini prefers. And Joe’s story was one of the biggest of the campaign, without any doubt. The more that the Precedent, and his lunatic Congress, move to destroy this nation, the more salient Joe’s warnings from the campaign – the same warnings that many of us had been issuing for a long time.

Since its very beginnings as a movement, conservatism has bought into liberalism’s dominant place in the American political process. They controlled all the major institutions: the media, academia, Hollywood, the Democratic Party, large segments of the Republican Party, and consequently, the government.

“bought into”? So, what, are we delusional? Okay. I admit it. The media (MSM) is not dominated by libs. Academia (the soft and subjective parts) are not dominated by libs. Hollywood is a conservative bastion. … I admit it. Republicans (like the candidate) didn’t want amnesty for illegals (and to give them citizenship, too). And the GOP candidate didn’t want cap and trade, and he didn’t believe in global warming … I admit I was in a deluded state. Sheesh.

Liberalism’s image of conservatives in the ’50s and ’60s as paranoid Birchers gave birth to a conservative movement self-conscious of its minority status.

Uh … why does Ruffini assume this self-consciousness? Conservatives were a minority as represented in government and they were aware of that. But self-conscious?

As in any tribe that is small in number and can’t fully trust its most natural allies (i.e. the business community or the Republican Party),

Okay. Finally something reasonable.

the meta-debate of who is inside and outside the tribe is magnified exponentially.”

“meta-debate” … “magnified exponentially”? I don’t get this. First of all, the inside/out business is more of a straight debate. It is not a question of determining conservative foundations, so much, as determing whether someone is trustworthy and can be taken at his word – as Ruffini pointed out by saying that conservatives “can’t fully trust its most natural allies”. It is a debate about, “Can we trust this person?” I know that Ruffini probably thinks that the modifier, ‘meta’, makes his statement sound more intellectual, more mathematical, but it is really misapplied, here, by his own set-up. He should be self-conscious about that sort of stuff. It would serve him well.
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“Much as their blind loyalty discredited the Right, perhaps the worst effect of Limbaugh et al. has been their draining away of political energy from what might have been a much more worthwhile project: the fostering of a middlebrow conservatism. There is nothing wrong with lowbrow conservatism. It’s energizing and fun.

“blind loyalty”. Okay, there. If you say so. This is just obnoxious, as it was obviously meant to be. “Middlebrow writing” would be an apt description, in keeping with the author’s linguistic mediocrity.

What’s wrong is the impression fixed in the minds of too many Americans that conservatism is always lowbrow, an impression our enemies gleefully reinforce when the opportunity arises.

So there is lots of propaganda against conservatives. So what? And the left are a bunch of lying scum. You can’t change them. That’s what they are.

Thus a liberal like E.J. Dionne can write, ‘The cause of Edmund Burke, Leo Strauss, Robert Nisbet and William F. Buckley Jr. is now in the hands of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity.

Er … E.J. Drone can write whatever he wants to. Again, so what? Can we stop him from writing? Is that the point? Or is the author just embarrassed to be associated, in any way, with Rush and Sean? It must be tough being such a genius, surrounded by the unwashed and the illiterate. I offer my apologies. Can you ever forgive me for being such a barbarian?

… Reason has been overwhelmed by propaganda, ideas by slogans.’ Talk radio has contributed mightily to this development…

Now, he’s just gone off the rails. The propaganda and the slogans are bastions of the left, as is cognitive dissonance. I can’t even think of a conservative slogan. We have easily enumerated principles, like the axioms of plane Euclidean geometry, but no real slogans. We are not a “Yes we can” screaming sort of group. We don’t faint at political rallies. I sense a lot of anger emanating from this author.

Conservatives have never had, and never should have, a problem with elitism.

I have no problem with elites. I love elites. It’s the pseudo-intellectuals who I can’t stand. I would say that these pseudo-intellectuals shouldn’t feel threatened by non-degreed, normal people.

Why have we allowed carny barkers to run away with the Right?”

Uh huh. *sigh* Pathetic.

progressoverpeace on February 27, 2009 at 12:40 AM

“Jesus Christ, how many times do people have to explain to you that the quote of the day is NOT SOMETHING ALLAHPUNDIT SAID??”

The answer will always be the same:

at least once more.

notropis on February 27, 2009 at 12:40 AM

venividivici on February 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM

Of course, it wasn’t the Constitution, it was the Declaration of Independence and the occasion was Calvin Coolidge marking the 150th anniversary of it.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge%27s_Speech_on_the_Occasion_of_the_150th_Anniversary_of_the_Declaration_of_Independence

“About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.”

venividivici on February 27, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Jesus Christ, how many times do people have to explain to you that the quote of the day is NOT SOMETHING ALLAHPUNDIT SAID??

SnarkVader on February 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM

It’s the agenda, not the quote.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 12:43 AM

Here’s the point to be made
Sarah was born to give you fee-vah, be it fahrenheit or centigrade
She gives you fee-vah as you watch her at every turn
Fee-vah till you sizzle, oh what a lovely way to burn

MB4 on February 26, 2009 at 11:46 PM

Is this the kind of fever you are talking about:


We All Have To Die Someday, This Seems A Pretty Good Way To Do It

http://minx.cc/?post=283475

Yea baby, the only way to go!!!

I am sure Pelosi or Hillary doesn’t have to worry about any fevers or bets.

Baxter Greene on February 27, 2009 at 12:44 AM

Jesus Christ, how many times do people have to explain to you that the quote of the day is NOT SOMETHING ALLAHPUNDIT SAID??

SnarkVader on February 27, 2009 at 12:39 AM
notropis on February 27, 2009 at 12:40 AM

One, did it ever occur to you two rocket scientists that the reason he posts the quotes, and post them more than once, is because he agrees with them? Two, did it ever occur to you two future Nobel Prize winners, that he has made statements agreeing with the opinion in the quote of the day here and elsewhere?

Blake on February 27, 2009 at 12:46 AM

One, did it ever occur to you two rocket scientists that the reason he posts the quotes, and post them more than once, is because he agrees with them? Two, did it ever occur to you two future Nobel Prize winners, that he has made statements agreeing with the opinion in the quote of the day here and elsewhere?

Blake on February 27, 2009 at 12:46 AM

Three, did it ever occur to the Kreskin collective that the quote of the day might just be exactly that? The most interesting thing said in the conservasphere on that given day?

SnarkVader on February 27, 2009 at 12:49 AM

And while we have the ultimate in no-nothings (politically speaking), John Derbyshire, complaining that anti-intellectuals control the conservative movement, we also have one of the most carefully researched and scrupulously intellectual volumes of conservative thought from the past 20 years maintaining its position on the NYT best-sellers list:

Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism.”

Nothing the left has written in the past several decades has come close to the scholarly rigor or comprehensive treatment that this book has provided for the consideration of politics for the last 100 years.

Yep, conservatism is being run and ruined by a bunch of inbred, superstitious hayseeds. No doubt.

notropis on February 27, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Why don’t you boys whip em out and measure and be done with it? I swear, at times this place looks like AOL

OneEyedJack on February 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM

venividivici on February 27, 2009 at 12:42 AM

It is intersting to think about the context\times Coolidge said this. The 16th through 19th amendments were adopted in rapid fire. These amendments arguably started the country down the path we are on today. A path that is vastly different than the founders intentions. Was he slapping down the progressives?

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM

I’m in the “let’s not panic” camp right now. I took some time to look back at the approach Dems were taking to ignite their party after ’04 and most of the reaction looked like this – way off track. I believe the conservative choices will become more obvious and a path more clear after the U.S. gets a better feel for this administration.
Maybe the winning formula is simply finding two words and uttering them repeatedly?

WaltDakota on February 27, 2009 at 12:53 AM

While I cannot attest to AP’s inner thoughts, and if I knew them they may cause me mental anguish ;-), his quotes that he puts forward need to promote lively discussion\stir the pot to keep people coming to this site (especially starting March 1). I never assume that the quotes are his beliefs.

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Interesting,Team Obama b#tched about Anne and Rush,
as an acting President,schooling Team Republican as
to who Republicans should listen to!!

Its a beautiful thing ain’t it!

Team Liberal has their nose so far up Conservative #ss’s,
that Republican Conservatives are doing the work for him,
‘INFIGHTING’,in the party,blogs,etc!!

Time for Republicans to stop eating their own,if Republican
Party wants to work with the first ‘Soialist Government’then
make decisions to change the aspect of the Party!

But,please,don’t allow Obama to tear the Party apart in
infighting and bickering!

I must be blind,ALLAHPUNDIT IS THE MESSENGER,he’s not the
ENEMY,

stop being gamed by Team Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on February 27, 2009 at 12:55 AM

The Republicans are in two camps. Those that stand for something, and those that just want to be liked. Specter, Collins and Snow just want to be liked. McCain did this for most of his campaign until he figured out, too late that the press wanted to waste him.

The party will not get leaders from the above group.
Starlink on February 27, 2009 at 12:34 AM

The GOP cannot choose its leaders from within the usual suspects we see on C-Span. The party needs to find that outside voice (be it Jindal, Palin, Steele, or some other politician) that ignites the party into action. The heart and soul of the GOP is in flyover country and they are thirsting for a candidate they can get behind without question. GWB came close but fell short. McCain was a default since he was running against a terrorist-loving racist socialist. The party needs to give it’s grassroots constituents a visionary and true conservative.

I could throw out names here but that takes away from the point. What possible candidates are out there who can counter the “money is no object” spending of the filthy liar and his majority in Congress? Who is the champion of fiscal responsibility and smaller government?

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 12:57 AM

It’s the graphic on the letters in the frame on the wall.

Come on, we all know our betters.

Limerick on February 27, 2009 at 12:57 AM

WaltDakota on February 27, 2009 at 12:53 AM

I’m scared about the deficits and debts, but cautiously optimistic for the future of conservatism. Give the independents, squishees, the middle 40%, whatever you want to call them, till the end of summer to figure it out. If the opinion polls are still ~60% Obama, then let's take over Cuba and create a conservative nation. If he is below 50%, we are coming back.

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 12:59 AM

It is intersting to think about the context\times Coolidge said this. The 16th through 19th amendments were adopted in rapid fire. These amendments arguably started the country down the path we are on today. A path that is vastly different than the founders intentions. Was he slapping down the progressives?

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 12:50 AM

As far as I know, yes, he was taking a swipe at the Progressives. I first encountered the quote in a context that said just as much.

I love the embedded theory of history at the end of the paragraph, too. “Progressives” and their collectivism do represent a more primitive (I use that word very deliberately) way of thinking about society versus the doctrine of individual rights enshrined in the Founding Fathers’ thinking. If people weren’t so historically illiterate as they are today, that would be easy to see. It’s as if the human race has deliberately chosen to regress. Leftists really are the reactionaries, only they can’t see it.

venividivici on February 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 12:54 AM

The glowing comments from folks like MKH and Michelle Malkin suggests that there is something beyond the persona of Christian-hating “conservative” that is the bulk of his remarks. I still can’t get beyond the way he attacked Romney’s character and faith, let alone as a human being, during the primaries. That was just reprehensible and I will never forgive him for his hatred of Christians.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM

I usually enjoy a shot of Derbyshire’s cranky old pessimist routine, but I can’t believe he just used a quote from Christopher Buckley, who was riffing on Lloyd Bentsen, to slam Rush Limbaugh. Maybe Mr. Derbyshire can keep digging and find a quote from Kathleen Parker, citing a Peggy Noonan profile of David Gergen, in which he riffs on Josef Stalin and asks, “How many divisions has Rush Limbaugh?”

If there’s one delusion the conservative movement desperately needs to snap out of, it’s the cherished elitist notion that one more really good six-pound, heavily footnoted policy white paper will bring the public around to the joys of limited government and fiscal restraint. Is talk radio bad for conservatism? What else does conservatism have right now? Did Limbaugh and his fellow hosts hurt the conservative movement by “yoking themselves to the clueless George W. Bush and his free-spending ways,” as Derbyshire writes? I don’t think you can deny the damage W. caused to conservatism with all that free spending, but does anyone think America would have been better off under President Al Gore or President John Kerry, a madman or a clueless fraud? I don’t remember all those radio hosts going silent when Bush began tossing around the compassionate conservative loot. I mostly remember Bush not listening to them. And as far as backing someone other than Bush during the 2000 primaries… wasn’t his major opponent John McCain?

It seems like every think-tank prestige conservative is perpetually confusing the American electorate with the people who turn up for National Review luxury cruise. We are not one lively American Conservative Union seminar away from a rebirth of widespread public support for constitutional government. The voters are not just waiting for a few technical questions about the flat tax to be answered before they hop on board. I can’t think of anything that more perfectly captures the deadly disconnect of the conservative elite than an article that approvingly quotes E.J. Dionne, in a magazine with a picture of Rush Limbaugh as a squalling baby on the cover. Doubtless there are millions of American swing voters clucking their tongues as Limbaugh comes on the air, and wishing someone would do a better job of expounding on the writings of Burke and Strauss… or maybe what we really need is three hours of someone like Derb, speaking with an “affectless voice” and telling the public how there are no solutions to their problems, and they’re all doomed. That’ll win them over!

I guess the Left won that last election with a barrage of thoughtful, well-researched, calmly presented presentations on NPR, deploying iron logic to convince those highly intelligent voters that a fifteen-trillion-dollar national debt and a fascist economy were the keys to prosperity. That would also explain why they were so impressed by Obama’s extensive resume, and his running mate’s razor-sharp intellect. I’m sure we can outscore Obama on points in some debates in 2010 and sweep to victory, once we get all those lowbrow song parodies and fiery inspirational speeches off the air.

Doctor Zero on February 27, 2009 at 1:03 AM

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Beer and brauts for that one.

Limerick on February 27, 2009 at 1:04 AM

I think that most totalitarians were probably elitists first and foremost.

FloatingRock on February 27, 2009 at 1:04 AM

The articles by Patrick Ruffini and by John Derbyshire express the authors’ discomfort with nearly the same thing (cliques) though differently.

Preserving the Constitution is not a movement limited to the elite, highly educated upper class with good sense. And it’s about time that gaping and sneering are overcome so that unity propels the citizen movement to conserve the Constitution.

e pluribus unum

The elite thinkers rely heavily upon the doers, presuming themselves the only one’s with any thoughts worth airing. The elitists’ achilles heel is reluctance to actually DO labor, as the elitists are the least skilled at labor (grow and cook your own food, make your own machine, fix your own car). These authors’ effort to overcome their own status consciousness is necessary and appreciated, even if stiff. They should abstain from too much self admiration and highly stylized mannerisms of their own, though, if they are dishing out criticisms to improve the “lowbrow” conservative while claiming concern for the common lot shared by all parties concerned.

maverick muse on February 27, 2009 at 1:05 AM

If thats the case, where are the conservative “intellectual pursuits”?


Conservatives don’t have a “free-floating pseudo-intellectual class” like NPR employees, so expecting there to be a “conservative NPR” is a mistake.

Leftists are always trying to come up with the hot, new theory of everything. First it was socialism, then it was Communism, then it was existentialism, then it was structuralism, then it was post-structuralism, then it was deconstruction, then it was critical theory, then it was post-Marxism, etc.

Meanwhile, conservatives think the Founding Fathers laid it out pretty well and are fine sticking with that. I forget which President said it, but in response to some Progressives who wanted to “improve” the Constitution, he said, “What’s there to improve? Either man is born with inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or he isn’t.”

Right. I would also count as -conservative intellectuals- all the intellectual people who are out there doing things. All the people developing technology, architecting skyscrapers, healing the sick, winning wars. Not all of these people realize they are conservatives, but anyone who devotes his intellect and energy toward accomplishment, rather than just showing up and punching a clock, is doing, I think, conservative intellectual work. (In other words, you won’t find them in the unionized bureaucracy.)

joe_doufu on February 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM

Push comes to shove who is more important to you, the farmer or the CPA?

Limerick on February 27, 2009 at 1:09 AM

That was just reprehensible and I will never forgive him for his hatred of Christians.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM

I missed that thread. I wish I could see the original context to form an my own opinion on it. I still hold that his role at HotAir is to stir the pot. And stir the pot he does.

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 1:12 AM

It’s not what JTP did, but what the so-called fair-minded Democrat party did TO JTP after he dared ask The One a question not on the list of Approved Questions for the Great One.

You’re not even a good troll.

AZfederalist on February 26, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Uh, no. What I was responding to was this:

Heaven forbid average people should have a say in the process, I guess we should just listen to political nobodies like this Patrick Ruffini and Allahpundit who basically hide behind their keyboards.

I’d like to know what Joe the Plumber has done to earn the distinction of a “political somebody” over people like Ruffini and Allahpundit. The only thing he did was ask a question and was lucky enough to have someone taping it. That’s it. Pure dumb luck.

SnarkVader on February 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

And yet, it was somehow more than all the media from all the news networks, news magazines, and newspapers had done. So if Joe the Plumber singlehandedly shows up the entire MSM, I think he should get a little credit

ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 27, 2009 at 1:13 AM

I was really afraid we were going to start seeing posts slamming Limbaugh on Hot Air since he slammed anyone who disliked Jindal’s speech – and so we get thoughtless columns like Derbyshire’s featured here that wouldn’t ordinarily be given the stage. He’s not worthy.

No one I know of thinks of Joe the Plumber as a spokesman – he is simply an average guy who, in a free country, is getting the chance very few of us average conservative Joes get to give our opinions. Sure, some of us have blogs, write letters to the paper, attend protests and rallies, and even meet fellow travelers at CPAC where no one knows our names. But we’re not idiots – we just work for a living and it’s nice to see a guy like Joe who doesn’t write for a living throw a wrench in things. Why are so many in the media afraid of this guy? Why the antagonism? Do you all feel that threatened?

Joe is not Conservatism’s spokesman, and he never claimed he was. For too many, he serves as a straw man they can use to deflect attention away from the miserable job they’ve done teaching conservatism. Let’s put away the clubs and focus on what matters, instead of bringing cold smiles to the faces of those on the left.

Evrviglnt on February 27, 2009 at 1:17 AM

APundit doesn’t hate HA commenters, Blake

He just hates YOU

( Okay, I stole that from Band of Brothers )

The Republican Party was created in the 1850s as a coalition of economic conservatives and several new social conservative movements which had formed with the onset of the Industrial Revolution.

One of these was the anti-immigrant ‘Know-Nothing’ or American Party; another was the religiously-motivated Prohibitionist movement

When these two ‘wings’ of the Party are in synch, the Party does well. Reagan spoke to and appealed to both, hence his popularty. Newt and his Contract in 1994 appealed to both

If either sector or wing is ignored or dissed, the Democrats can easily poach voters. The Bush admin and the Repubs in Congress the past eight years managed to alienate both sectors

ergo, we get an unqualified-but-clean Obama

Janos Hunyadi on February 27, 2009 at 1:18 AM

venividivici on February 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM

Just finished reading Coolidges info at Wiki. Man have we had some good Presidents, just not too much lately (Reagan withstanding).

Things in Wiki that caught my eye that I cannot imagine a president doing today:

- Support Wage and working hours controls at the state level. Refuse to sign the same controls at the Federal level. Perfect federalism!

- In addition to tax cuts, Coolidge proposed reductions in federal expenditures and retiring some of the federal debt. To that end, Coolidge declined to sign some of the spending that Congress approved.

- Coolidge declared that agriculture must stand “on an independent business basis,” and said that “government control cannot be divorced from political control.” On the same subject, “[Farmers] never have made much money, I do not believe we can do much about it.”

- Congress wanted a bill that would place the federal government completely in charge of flood (due to a major Mississippi flood) mitigation; Coolidge wanted the property owners to bear much of the costs.

You read the thing and just wish a President had those kind of balls. Maybe it was easier without a 24/7 press.

Tomorrow’s homework Grover Cleveland.

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WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 1:19 AM

I’m going to miss the internet and the boards. All these folks jabbering away, making each of us reach inside ourselves and find a response. It just won’t be there. Gone with the wind.

Limerick on February 27, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Evrviglnt on February 27, 2009 at 1:17 AM

Well said.

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 1:21 AM

This gal has really got Obama pegged

With the public suitably frightened and biddable, Obama now strides to the podium and begins prescribing particular government policies. (Have you noticed his troubling habit of denying what he is doing? For example, in his speech to Congress he said he asked for the stimulus bill “not because I believe in bigger government — I don’t.” And in recommending a bailout of mortgage holders, he denied that any relief would go to “speculators” or those who “bought more house than they could afford” but that is exactly what the package will do.)

MB4 on February 27, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Doctor Zero – excellent thoughts; I hope you’ve left that at Derbyshire’s column.

Evrviglnt on February 27, 2009 at 1:22 AM

I used to read Derbyshire’s columns for a period a few years back before I came to HA, (I don’t remember what the topics of that day were, probably Islam for the most part), and I can honestly say that I respect the opinions of many of the people here more than I ever did his. Sorry, Derb, but it’s true. Buh Bye, now.

FloatingRock on February 27, 2009 at 1:25 AM

MB4 on February 27, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Unfortuantely, the President is a master with words that pacify the squishees while he implements “progressive” policies. I would love to have those skills while whacking the department of Education, Energy, HHS, etc.

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 1:26 AM

I’m going to miss the internet and the boards. All these folks jabbering away, making each of us reach inside ourselves and find a response. It just won’t be there. Gone with the wind.

Limerick on February 27, 2009 at 1:21 AM

I suggest that you look into training cockroaches to carry little twitter messages between your cells as that is the only way of communicating with each other you will have where all you dissidents are going.

DasObamaReich on February 27, 2009 at 1:28 AM

I’m with Joe, Rush and Hannity..

Sorry Allah, you’re getting weak in the knees…

Doogiesd on February 27, 2009 at 1:31 AM

Meh……….

………. another attempt to choose the leaders of the Conservative opposition to Mr. Teleprompter.

Everyone is trying to put a band-aid on a bullet wound,

……. and forgetting to shoot the son’s of a bit$hs that are causing us to duck in the first place.

The answer……….

………… start with the truth of how this whole mess stated (now is the time to picture Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Jammie G., Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton in your mind and think of the term “Social Engineering”) in the first place, and say it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again………….

…….. and you end up with this.

Joe the Plumber asked a very accurate question……….

…………. “If I get up and work hard every day, why are you, Mr. Teleprompter, going to take it away…..?”

Mr. Teleprompter is showing every single day as POTUS that it is not your money,

……… it is his.

Seven Percent Solution on February 27, 2009 at 1:34 AM

I never assume that the quotes are his beliefs.

WashJeff on February 27, 2009 at 12:54 AM

Neither do I, but I don’t care if they are or not. What I like most about AP is that he’s not afraid to express his opinions and he doesn’t mind people bashing it to pieces.

FloatingRock on February 27, 2009 at 1:38 AM

I suspect the public are disenchanted because of the disaster the country faces after many years Republican leadership. What is going well in the US now? It ruined the brand but it will come around again. The country was ready for a change of leadership and will be ready again soon enough.

lexhamfox on February 27, 2009 at 1:39 AM

………… start with the truth of how this whole mess stated (now is the time to picture Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Jammie G., Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton in your mind and think of the term “Social Engineering”) in the first place, and say it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again………….

Seven Percent Solution on February 27, 2009 at 1:34 AM

Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.
- George S. Patton

MB4 on February 27, 2009 at 1:40 AM

DasObamaReich on February 27, 2009 at 1:28 AM

Nah…..I don’t like roaches. How about I just stand up myself and don’t give a rat’s rear view eye if anyone else does or not?

Limerick on February 27, 2009 at 1:41 AM

…and he doesn’t mind people bashing it to pieces.

…and, actually, he seems to relish it so I’m happy to oblige. :)

FloatingRock on February 27, 2009 at 1:42 AM

lexhamfox on February 27, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Yes, if the public was ready to go out the back door after they woke up and found that they were laying beside Bush, when they wake up and find out that they are laying beside Obama, if there is no back door, they will say , “Where do you want one!!!”.

MB4 on February 27, 2009 at 1:44 AM

As usual, McCain took a good news cycle story and based the whole last part of his campaign around Joe the Plumber. It was embarrassing.

Speedwagon82 on February 27, 2009 at 1:46 AM

Ron Paul is as big of a pork grabber as anyone else. And he uses his campaign warchest to fund his family.

No, Ron Paul does not follow the constitution. He uses it like toilet paper. And for that, he needs to be shot in the head.

Sakaki on February 27, 2009 at 1:47 AM

I’d like to know what Joe the Plumber has done to earn the distinction of a “political somebody” over people like Ruffini and Allahpundit. The only thing he did was ask a question and was lucky enough to have someone taping it. That’s it. Pure dumb luck.

SnarkVader on February 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM

I think it was far more than just “dumb luck”. Joe opened an issue up that no one was able to do before him. O’Reilly had tagged the “Socialist” label on the idiot messiah, in his interview. And BHO all but admitted to being a socialist, but it got no traction. I always thought that O’Reilly got the short end, by many of the conversative chattering class, on this one.

But, anyway, Joe was a very interesting case. He was confronted by the idiot messiah, out of the blue. It wasn’t that he went to a rally, or sought him out. BHO had started his moronic “home visiting campaign”, or whatever it was called (it was pathetic), where they showed him going up to little houses and knocking on the door, saying, “Hi there! How are you? ….”, reliving his halcion days of executive experience as a community organizer … and he stumbled into Joe’s neighborhood. BHO came upon Joe, and, thinking on his feet Joe presented a hypothetical to the idiot messiah that got him to admit to his strong socialist tendencies, and to use a phrase that could, finally, not be ignored – “spread the wealth”. It was taped and the story had legs. Then, Joe’s name just happens to erupt out of the debate the next night and … boom, Joe’s a household name. This was pretty amazing, when you look back on it, and Joe did not go with a prepared script, but gave a perfect question off the top of his head. That is not easy, and it’s not dumb luck, either.

Now, this would have been the end of Joe’s story, for the most part, but he went on and did a few interviews. I caught him on Huckabee. He did amazingly well. He was composed, well-spoken, had a good, solid understanding of, what I consider to be, the core of conservativism, and acknowledged when he thought issues were out of range of confidence. I was very impressed.

So, he moved on from there.

I think that he has found himself a nice little niche, and I have not yet heard him say anything that I disagreed with in any major way. I liked what he had said about the idiot messiah and the security of Israel, during the campaign. I was with him 100%. That seems to be when he first clashed with the “higher-ups” in the party machinery.

Anyway, I think it’s incorrect, in a big way, to say that he just got lucky once. He has certainly shown some talent and most of what I’ve heard him say I am in agreement with.

progressoverpeace on February 27, 2009 at 1:48 AM

As usual, McCain took a good news cycle story and based the whole last part of his campaign around Joe the Plumber. It was embarrassing.

McCain lost when he voted for the “bailout”. He heroically dropped his campaign and rushed to Washington, the one man who could save us from the forces of evil. He faced down the spineless President, rallied the last brave defenders of freedom, and said to them… “Ah nevermind, let’s just give ‘em this one. I’ve got TV appearances to do.”

joe_doufu on February 27, 2009 at 1:53 AM

Christian-hating “conservative” that is the bulk of his remarks. I still can’t get beyond the way he attacked Romney’s character and faith, let alone as a human being, during the primaries. That was just reprehensible and I will never forgive him for his hatred of Christians.

highhopes on February 27, 2009 at 1:02 AM

You’re delusional. While I doubt you care one iota about my opinion, since I’m an atheist too—just because AP is open about his disbelief doesn’t indicate that he’s “Christian-hating”. Your opinion is only a reflection of your own bias. And I have no idea what you’re talking about regarding Romney. My recollection is that AP’s attitude towards Romney’s prospects was based on his the perception of the bigotry of so many evangelicals which, aside from a few, luckily don’t frequent this blog. Most of the evangelicals here seem to be fair minded people regarding Romney.

FloatingRock on February 27, 2009 at 1:54 AM

O’Reilly had tagged the “Socialist” label on the idiot messiah, in his interview. And BHO all but admitted to being a socialist, but it got no traction. I always thought that O’Reilly got the short end, by many of the conversative chattering class, on this one.

progressoverpeace on February 27, 2009 at 1:48 AM

Barack Obama is a Fabian socialist. I should know; I was raised by one. My Grandfather worked as a union machinist for Ingersoll Rand (nyse: IR – news – people ) during the day. In the evenings he tended bar and read books. After his funeral, I went back home and started working my way through his library, starting with T.W. Arnold’s The Folklore of Capitalism. This was my introduction to the Fabian socialists.

Arnold taught me to question everyone–my president, my priest and my parents. Well, almost everyone. I wasn’t supposed to question the Fabian intellectuals themselves. That’s the Fabian MO, relentless cultural and journalistic attacks on everything that is, and then a hard pitch for the hope of what might be.

That’s Obama’s world.

He’s telling the truth when he says that he doesn’t agree with Bill Ayers’ violent bombing tactics, but it’s a tactical disagreement. Why use dynamite when mass media and community organizing work so much better? Who needs Molotov when you’ve got Saul Alinski?
- Jerry Bowyer

Barack Obama, Fabian Socialist
Who needs Molotov when we’ve got Alinski?

MB4 on February 27, 2009 at 1:54 AM

Ron Paul is as big of a pork grabber as anyone else. And he uses his campaign warchest to fund his family.

No, Ron Paul does not follow the constitution. He uses it like toilet paper. And for that, he needs to be shot in the head.

As far as I can tell, he’s just a Libertarian who’s smart enough not to run on the LP ticket. He’s got some positions that we (conservatives) would agree with, but not for the same reasons.

I think the GOP should have used him in the 2008 election though. Promise him a job in the Cabinet. Treasury Secretary, maybe… I’d love to set a Libertarian loose on the I.R.S.

joe_doufu on February 27, 2009 at 1:56 AM

Liberals are getting rather good at talk TV, too. The key to this medium, they have discovered, is irony. I don’t take this political stuff seriously, I assure you, but really, these damn fool Republicans… Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert offer different styles of irony, but none leaves any shadow of doubt where his political sympathies lie. Liberals have done well to master this trick, but it depends too much on facial expressions and body language—the double-take, the arched eyebrow, the knowing smirk—to transfer to radio. It is, in any case, not quite populism, the target audience being mainly the ironic cohort—college-educated Stuff White People Like types.

You might not agree with Derb, but this is the best summation of The Daily Show and Colbert Report I’ve ever seen.

Speedwagon82 on February 27, 2009 at 1:57 AM

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