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Hey, who’s up for renewing the assault weapons ban? Update: Not Pelosi

posted at 2:00 pm on February 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Gotta give Eric Holder credit: His use of “just a few” here is simply a masterpiece of ominous rhetorical efficiency.

You can’t say you weren’t warned.

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

“As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons,” Holder told reporters…

Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.

“It’s something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign,” he said. “There are obviously a number of things that are — that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I’m not sure exactly what the sequencing will be.”

Combine this with the fact that demand for guns has been booming for months and we should see the price of semi-automatics blow sky high. Any ban will have to survive two challenges: One, obviously, will be a goal-line stand by the Supreme Court’s conservative majority in applying the Heller decision, but count on smilin’ Anthony Kennedy to “find his conscience” and switch sides if it gets that far. The more serious obstacle is convincing a majority in the House to vote for it. An NRA spokesman tells the Standard he expects 60+ Blue Dogs — roughly the number endorsed by the group two years ago — to oppose a ban, but I think he’s kidding himself. It’s one thing to be pro-gun when there’s a Republican majority and no chance of the ban coming back; it’s another thing to do it when there’s a serious chance of passage and the prestige of a new president from your own party is riding on it. I’ll bet it passes — narrowly. Exit question: Will the Centrist Three in the Senate join with the GOP to filibuster? Specter’s pretty good on guns.

Update: Looks like I spoke way, way too soon. Clearly, Madam Speaker doesn’t think she has the votes.

Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.

“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it’s clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

Presumably they’ll revisit the issue after the midterms if they pick up a few more liberal seats in the House.


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What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america(sic) is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

It might except it is NOT A FACT, nor close to it.

Wade on February 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM

I’m up to 27, but there is always room for more, eh?

Next on the list: HK P-7M8

pseudonominus on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Shopping for our third gun safe as we speak…

uncivilized on February 26, 2009 at 5:14 PM

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM

No your not. I have a couple of SP1’s and m4, but i am building my daughter who is 12 (yes libbeys i said 12)an ar with a Sun Devil upper and lower that is anodized purple and it has cost me almost 2k without the scope. that will be another 1k to 2k. The reason i am doing this is she shot her first deer this year at 220 yards with a 6.8 ar.

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

No I don’t. several years ago I compared the US murder rate to England’s. After removing gun homicides from both sides the US’s murder rate was still several times England’s.

darktood on February 26, 2009 at 5:18 PM

AZ_redneck +100

Taking guns is taking freedom.

hiphopconservative on February 26, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Bob Owens on February 26, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Bob, I was waiting on someone to bring up Kleck. The one think about Kleck that is most convincing is that he is/was a member of the ACLU and Amnesty International. He initially did his study to debunk claims of defensive gun usage stats. But, he had the intellectual honesty to publish his actual results and have them peer reviewed.

As for per capita homicide rates, you really need to check out those stats. I once lived in the “murder capital of the United States”…per capita. We had two murders that year a man killed his estranged wife and the LE escorting her from the court house to her car after the divorce hearing.

Finally, if eliminating guns is the “solution”, how come there are murders in prison? Why do the guard in the high security wing of Pelican Bay prison wear body armor? Having worked in a prison, I can tell you. Because convicts believe they are the ultimate survivors. Give them a toothbrush and a disposable razor, they will make a slashing weapon. Give them a newspaper and a tube of toothpaste and they will make a stabbing weapon. Give them their freedom and they will do whatever they want if you’re not “man enough” to stop them.

Well gotta go. I’ll check back on this thread when I get home.

Catseye on February 26, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM

AWESOME!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

The 2nd Amendment is about two things, 1. The right to keep and bear arms in order to oppose a tyrannical government, and 2. Self-reliance. Gun owners do not singularly rely upon the government for their protection and security.

But let us never forget, especially in this day and age, that Americans must always remain vigilant of the dangers which can come from our very own government. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Hence, the 2nd amendment.

dugan on February 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM

I thik “FROM Y COLD DEAD HANDS!” sums things up pretty well.

Yakko77 on February 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM

I am troubled by our guns going to Mexico, but for different reasons than Eric Holder.

I think that the blue dogs will vote against renewing the AWB.

molonlabe28 on February 26, 2009 at 5:51 PM

If it eventually comes to the point that gun ownership in America goes the way of England…people will simply go to knives, baseball bats, screwdrivers- and old fashioned zip guns- even making the slugs for them. I think I’ve heard England has been trying cricket bats, along with the above.

8-track-vinyl on February 26, 2009 at 5:51 PM

AWESOME!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM

yes it will be, with the right scope and ammo 800 to 1k meters should be fun. I can’t wait to shoot it. next weekend is the target date, if the rest of it gets here by next thursday.

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 5:59 PM

Any ban wouldn’t have any effect on the huge arsenal of “assault weapons” already in circulation, which would be more than enough for any militia “resistance” to anything …so the point of such a ban would only be to irritate such a paranoid problem even closer to its feared arrival.

LOSE-LOSE.

profitsbeard on February 26, 2009 at 6:05 PM

Perhaps it’s been covered above, I only read comment pages 5 and 6. The “assault weapons” ban was a cosmetic one. IIRC, you could pick two features from the following:

1. Pistol grip
2. Adjustible stock.
3. Removable magazine.
4. Bayonet lug. Yes really.
5. Removeable flash hider.
6. Rifled barrel.

The presence or absence of any of these features has exactly zero effect on the lethality of the weapon, although it might effect the weapon’s usefulness for a particular purpose (e.g. whatever benefit one got from an adjustible stock is out the window.)

Most folks kept the pistol grip and magaizine, had the flash hider permanently attached, and a smooth bore barrel.

It was an assinie piece of legislation which had exactly zero effect on anything other than cosmetics (baynet lugs? Seriously??) and some functionality/interchangablility of parts of the “post ban” guns.

I post this for you advocates of gun restrictions. Tell me what you think you get out of such a ban.

TexasDan on February 26, 2009 at 6:07 PM

Gun Lovers……Clints on amc.

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 6:11 PM

Maybe someone’s noted this earlier in the thread, but Canada has a higher rate of gun ownership of rifles and shotguns per adult than the USA.

But no one hardly ever shoots anyone else, you know, eh?

Canadians seem to be more likely to shoot themselves accidently than shoot someone else. What that says about them or us, I just don’t know, eh

Janos Hunyadi on February 26, 2009 at 6:15 PM

TexasDan on February 26, 2009 at 6:07 PM

depending on the restrictions (say AR-15) and you order the lowers. There are times that you can not order the lower without the stock. One of those oddities. But that is also a dealer issue.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 6:17 PM

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 6:17 PM

But under the previous ban you had to have a complete assembled rifle on the given lower for it to be a “pre ban” lower, unless I’m mistaken.

It won’t work to just order a bunch of lowers now and assemble them post ban unless they do it differently this time.

I put mine together last year. ;)

TexasDan on February 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM

I’ve stocked up on guns and ammo…. I’ll be ready…..

build the wall on February 26, 2009 at 6:23 PM

TexasDan on February 26, 2009 at 6:07 PM

I bought 2 ARs back during that ban. One was the standard 20 inch barrel and fixed stock, the other was a 16 inch barrel and a fixed skeleton stock which I had shortened 3 inches for quicker handling. All perfectly legal. I paid a little over $600 each. a dozen 30 round Israeli mags were about $20 each, as I recall.

a capella on February 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I am real impressed with the anti-gun posters today. They are not content just to not have firearms themselves, but want to impose their lifestyle on us. I choose not to be a sheep/victim whatever.

I’ll never forget Janet Reno stating her parents did not like guns, she has never fired one, and she does not like them either. This is the same man that also did not like three strikes laws because—-get this–she actually said: what if a guy was to commit a crime at 20, 40, and 60, and then would be facing life in prison? She did not think that was fair. How in the f do you reason w/someone w/that kind of thought process?

Unfortunately that is the way most liberals think. The same group who would thwart the 2nd. amendment makes excuses for criminals.

arnold ziffel on February 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I put mine together last year. ;)

TexasDan on February 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM

I am getting the lowers only (ordering tonight) and we are going to sit down and figure what we would like for the rest. I like the movable stocks. But I am old fashioned so I may stick with the standard stock.

a capella on February 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

I am kicking myself for not buying anything like that sooner. Oh well, live and learn.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM

From the whitehouse website:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

“Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.”

JeffVader on February 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

If you do not want a gun, do not buy one.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Unfortunately that is the way most liberals think. The same group who would thwart the 2nd. amendment makes excuses for criminals.

arnold ziffel on February 26, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Doesn’t it just floor you? I know it does me.

Right now Alaska is thinking about bringing BACK capital punishment. But we have so many cali liberals who are against it. I asked on of these people 2 weeks ago why they moved up here, and they said to get away from the crime and death. How ironic huh! I then said to this woman, I understand why you moved up here, but why are you imposing the same sorts of problems here that you ran away from? She freaked out and said that I was wrong… but then I brought up that she was the one who came up here to ge”away” from that stuff because California doesn’t do anything but protect it’s criminals. She quickly shut up.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM

JeffVader on February 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM

B.O. and Biden have no common sense. Notice B.O. spending us Americans into oblivion. And Biden is in charge of something that he has no clue about.

Yeah.. whatever!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM

1. Pistol grip
2. Adjustible stock.
3. Removable magazine.
4. Bayonet lug. Yes really.
5. Removeable flash hider.
6. Rifled barrel.

So they came to my house and modeled my AR-15 for this?

leetpriest on February 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM

You can’t reason with liberals and you sure as hell can’t expect them to argue logically. The react 100% based on emotion which is why government spending is where it’s at today.

larvcom on February 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM

The “scary looking” weapons ban. It begins.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

It is definitely safer for me. I was in a gunfight with armed robbers and the only reason that I am alive today is because I was armed.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:52 PM

Anyone who actually thinks he would only reinstate the old ban is delusional. He will attempt to go much, much further,,, and it will be proclaimed a “good first step!”
Get involved now! Join the Heritage Foundation,, write letters,, phone, form a protest, run for office or support someone you trust like there’s no tomorrow!!
http://www.askheritage.org/

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”
George Washington

“Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
Thomas Jefferson

JellyToast on February 26, 2009 at 6:53 PM

The “scary looking” weapons ban. It begins.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM

It’s an annoyance but also a warning. I’ve often wondered if they aren’t considering the ban of military calibers for civilian use.

a capella on February 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM

The “scary looking” weapons ban. It begins.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:46 PM

We don’t call ‘em EBRs or SBRs for nothin’ – Evil/Scary Black Rifle

dugan on February 26, 2009 at 6:55 PM

JeffVader on February 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Naivety.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:56 PM

It’s an annoyance but also a warning. I’ve often wondered if they aren’t considering the ban of military calibers for civilian use.

a capella on February 26, 2009 at 6:54 PM

That would certainly cut down on ammunition availability.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Everybody chill out. “The One” has a long way to go to get a filibuster proof majority for any new gun legislation.

From Redstate:
http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2009/02/26/guns-and-the-fairness-doctrine/

The Senate just passed the “Second Amendment Enforcement Act” offered by Senator Ensign to put in place a reasonable framework for law abiding citizens to own firearms in the District of Columbia. Senator Coburn and Thune also offered pro gun amendments, but they were withdrawn in an effort allow a vote on the D.C gun measure. The Ensign Amendment passed 62-36 with the strong bipartisan support of 22 Democrats and only one Republican voting no, Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN). The Second Amendment rights of all Americans are still a popular issue with both Democrats and Republicans. Attorney General Eric Holder yesterday discussed the Obama Administration’s intent to “reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons.” Holder may want to rethink that pledge in the wake of the vote on the Ensign Amendment today.

Vigilance is necessary. Not paranoia and/ or hysterics.

Dukeboy01 on February 26, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Vigilance is necessary. Not paranoia and/ or hysterics.

Dukeboy01

When the AG and the POTUS are both anti-gun, it’s not paranoia to believe that they will try to slip restrictions in that infringe upon our rights. Sure they won’t go for an outright ban but what about taxing ammo at a ridiculous level.

Who would have thought one year ago that our government would spend trillions the way they used to spend billions? Who would have believed that we are on the highway to European socialist hell?

The gun issue is just a catalyst of all of the frustration many of us feel about what is happening to the country we love.

crashland on February 26, 2009 at 7:13 PM

1. Pistol grip
2. Adjustible stock.
3. Removable magazine.
4. Bayonet lug. Yes really.
5. Removeable flash hider.
6. Rifled barrel.

So they came to my house and modeled my AR-15 for this?

leetpriest on February 26, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Fer cryin’ out loud. I can only check off 5 out of 6. I feel so left out. But does the actual bayonet count for extra credit?

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 7:19 PM

The sales of AR15s and other black rifles have EXPLODED since the Clinton ban (written by Joe “Stand up for Chuck” Biden WROTE) expired. People are using them for target shooting, competitions, hunting, etc. The stupidity of the law can be demonstrated by the phrase “Hi Point 995 Carbine”. It is mentioned by name on the latest proposed bill because it has a pistol grip and a barrel shroud. It shoots 9mm ammo. That’s fairly puny for a pistol let alone a rifle. But the Hi Point is still EVIL

Even Pelosi isn’t stupid enough to spend all of Congress’ “political capital” this soon. They have bigger fish to fry right now.

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Going in next week to pick out my shotgun, and possibly a handgun. My non-perishable food supply is coming along nicely, and I’ve started buying silver and gold coins. Survivalism is a nice hobby to pass the time while you’re waiting for the hyperinflation and food riots to begin.

TheMightyMonarch on February 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Everybody chill out. “The One” has a long way to go to get a filibuster proof majority for any new gun legislation.
Dukeboy01 on February 26, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Like hell I’ll chill out.

Wade on February 26, 2009 at 7:42 PM

The stupidity of the law can be demonstrated by the phrase “Hi Point 995 Carbine”. It is mentioned by name on the latest proposed bill because it has a pistol grip and a barrel shroud. It shoots 9mm ammo. That’s fairly puny for a pistol let alone a rifle. But the Hi Point is still EVIL

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Heh. Like everything else they do, technical knowledge of the subject matter is not featured in the laws. My little M1.30 cal carbine escaped their attention unharmed because it just looks cute, kinda like a baby chimp.

a capella on February 26, 2009 at 7:43 PM

They can pry my dead cold fingers from my rotting, stinking corpse!

Errr… or something like that.

Does that make me racist?

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Ca has a ban on AR’s but I could buy as many mini-14’s as I wanted; glad I got the hell out of there in 07.
Ca has banned 1911-style auto pistols for safety reasons; they used the lack of a magazine safety as their excuse. Question: can there be a 1911 mod to include this feature?

mad scientist on February 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Everybody chill out. “The One” has a long way to go to get a filibuster proof majority for any new gun legislation.

From Redstate:
http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2009/02/26/guns-and-the-fairness-doctrine/

It figures that Dick “Douchebag” Lugar would vote no.

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 7:50 PM

Going in next week to pick out my shotgun, and possibly a handgun. My non-perishable food supply is coming along nicely, and I’ve started buying silver and gold coins. Survivalism is a nice hobby to pass the time while you’re waiting for the hyperinflation and food riots to begin.

TheMightyMonarch on February 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I’m right there with you. Got a good 6 months supply of non perishables and have been collecting ammo.

In addition, I have begun brewing my own beer.

loudmouth883 on February 26, 2009 at 7:51 PM

There are two strong indications of the confidence Americans have in the new administration and Obama. The first of these is the performance of the stock market — down what, 2000 points since his election? He can’t blame this on the previous administration because the market is forward looking, it doesn’t care about the past, only what it thinks is going to happen in the future. The market apparently isn’t too keen on what it thinks The One is going to do to it in the future.

The second of these confidence indicators is gun and ammunition sales since the election. Through the roof is an understatement. I was just in my local Sportsmans Warehouse — I could count ALL of the centerfire and rimfire ammunition they had on hand (lot’s of shotgun ammo, but rifle and pistol ammo, the shelves are almost bare). The handgun wall is so empty, they have had to put up pictures to cover the bare spaces. Apparently this is the end of their week and they expect a shipment on Friday, but they don’t know what they will get nor how much. Salesman said he watched last week as they put the one case of 38 special ammo out at 10:00 AM, it was all gone by 3:00 PM. Look at online sites like cheaperthandirt — every week the number of products out of stock gets larger and the number of products available and in stock gets smaller. This isn’t because Americans are out at the range shooting more, just like the market, they look at this new administration and the congress and don’t trust what is going to happen in the future. Sure, The One said he was a 2nd amendment supporter, but that was words, just words and most Americans recognized that.

AZfederalist on February 26, 2009 at 7:53 PM

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM

You rule! I am buying my first weapon next week (after payday). Just starting with a 12 gauge home defense shotgun, but plan to add a handgun the month after. Will get the state license to carry concealed. Why after all these years am I doing this? Because I am becoming more and more convinced that I will need to defend myself against a tyrannical government at some point in this mess. Also, I am relatively close to the Mexican border, and the violence in my city has risen alarmingly due to the local affiliates of the Mexican drug operations. I know some local police officers and basically we are on our own.

Self reliance, self accountability. (Hope that made sense.)

catlady on February 26, 2009 at 7:54 PM

England has a thriving air rifle sport industry and shooting clubs; I noticed that the air rifle websites list rifles for England have power restrictions. Is this us in the future?

mad scientist on February 26, 2009 at 7:55 PM

In addition, I have begun brewing my own beer.

loudmouth883 on February 26, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Hey, when you really get into it, I have some killer beer recipes to pass on. Sit back and have a home brew, man!

catlady on February 26, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Ca has banned 1911-style auto pistols for safety reasons; they used the lack of a magazine safety as their excuse. Question: can there be a 1911 mod to include this feature?

mad scientist on February 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM

I suppose it’s possible, but no self respecting gun manufacturer would do it. Cripes, it has a thumb safety and a grip safety. What more do they want?

Actually I thought they could sell 1911s there. I seem to remember that STI announced that they wouldn’t sell guns in California any more because of some stupid law they passed (which exempted cops, of course). I know Kimber makes a specialized 1911 for the L.A. SWAT Team (the SIS).

I love 1911s

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 7:56 PM

England has a thriving air rifle sport industry and shooting clubs; I noticed that the air rifle websites list rifles for England have power restrictions. Is this us in the future?

mad scientist on February 26, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Read on a Usenet group a rant from a Brit about how all of us Yanks are so up on guns. He has an air rifle that he allows his boys to shoot when he is with them at a controlled range, but makes sure it is locked in the safe at all other times.

Shoot, Britain has been seriously entertaining the idea of banning long knives. … and that used to be a joke among gun owners when confronting a liberty opponent, the taunt, “what, then you going to ban knives next?” always came back with “of course not, stop being silly”. Guess it wasn’t so silly — never underestimate the tyranny and stupidity of a nanny state.

AZfederalist on February 26, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

If you do not want a gun, do not buy one.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Let’s each vow to buy a new gun in honor of Equanim1ty

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Self reliance, self accountability. (Hope that made sense.)

catlady on February 26, 2009 at 7:54 PM

**pets catlady’s kitty**

~~Get your head out of the gutter guys, I have a feline named Bubba!~~

Catlady, you will never go wrong. You will want more, trust me ;)

But being here in Alaska, I have no choice but to do what I can for myself. I don’t rely on anyone, you can’t up here, and that is how many people should be thinking. Rely on yourself, your family (I hope) and your few friends that agree with you. Life is not easy… and a LOT of people have forgotten how life is. Hard work and dedication to ones self is another thing most have forgotten as well.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Shoot, Britain has been seriously entertaining the idea of banning long knives.

AZfederalist on February 26, 2009 at 7:59 PM

They were actually trying to ban sharp points on knives. Only registered chefs would be allowed to have pointed knives. I don’t know how it came out because frankly, the Brits are getting what they voted for over the years. You know, like us.

I recently retired from the post office. The clerks has scissors, really nice ones that the PS had rounded the tips on. I felt like I was in Britain for a second.

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM

doesn’t matter if it is a blunt tip. You can still stab someone with it.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Hard work and dedication to ones self is another thing most have forgotten as well.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 8:10 PM

Amen to that. I’m not in Alaska, but I’d be the first place you’d touch in the lower 48. At least on the seaward side.

The people here are very much like you describe, and I am the luckier for it.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 8:15 PM

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 8:15 PM

I lived in Seattle (and surrounding areas) for a couple of years. I have come to the conclussion that I like to visit only. Even the conservatives in WA were taken back on how much more conservative I was compared to them. Then I asked if they knew any California’s and they would say yes… and then I would give them the “Look”.

Most Californias (not the ones on HA) are anti-gun bunny huggers that liked to impose their life on everyone. I told one that I didn’t want something they were trying to do and that person threw a fit. A complete tempertantrum…. freaking sad.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Michael Scheuer, of all people, was on Glenn Beck last week and said that the 2nd amendment was designed specifically to protect the people against a tyrannical government.

Glenn seemed pretty shocked to hear him articulate this.

Disturb the Universe on February 26, 2009 at 8:29 PM

TexasDan, the versions of the new AWB that I have seen have none of these nuances about pistol grips and bayonet lugs. THe new one will list any self loader with a detachable mag. The renewal bill introdiced a few years ago, added several weapons including Mini 14, M1 Carbine and M1A just to name three.

This one will be just as Stalinesque.

Pelayo on February 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Seattle is like a foreign country to me, and takes a full day’s effort to reach, and I hate to do, even when necessary.

I would wager that my little town here is the most heavily armed, conservative, self-reliant community on the WA coast. The only Californian that lives here has a gun safe that would make your jaw drop in awe. It’s half of his frigging house.

And we’ll leave it at that. ;)

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 8:30 PM

The Obama Administration: shredding the Constitution, one amendment at a time.

Cr4sh Dummy on February 26, 2009 at 8:33 PM

I visited four Wal Marts and could not find a single box of .44 Rem. Mag. I finally bought the last one from a gun store twenty-five miles from home (for my Marlin 1894). However, every one of those Wal Marts had plenty of .223 Remington.

Pelayo on February 26, 2009 at 8:41 PM

AZfederalist on February 26, 2009 at 7:53 PM

Jim Geraghty said the only economic stimulus that can be traced back to Barack Obama is found in the gun industry. :)

JohnTant on February 26, 2009 at 8:48 PM

I’m having trouble finding 357SIG ammo; but plenty for my Blackhawk convertible in 45 (LC or auto). I see lots of 223 ammo here also.
As far as home defense I am seeing 12 gauge double barrelled “coach guns” with 20in barrells and exposed hammers. That should do nicely at close range.

mad scientist on February 26, 2009 at 9:05 PM

7.62 X 39 is still pretty plentiful, relatively speaking.

It’s a pretty universal round, at least.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 9:11 PM

And I just THOUGHT I was having a hard time finding a subcompact .40. Prices are going to go through the roof on this. Oh, if i only owned a gun shop about now. :)

OwlorNothing on February 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM

OwlorNothing on February 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM

Recession-proof industries:

1) Liquor stores
2) Car washes
3) Laundromats
4) Gun shops

Discuss amongst yourselves.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 9:16 PM

It was his own shotgun, as in it was bought for him to use and guess what he did… well played Dad that worked out well

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM

How come, if Americans have always had so many guns, the very first school shooting wasn’t until 1991?

fossten on February 26, 2009 at 9:18 PM

I shot alot when I was a younger (with my trusty Ruger 10/22), but hadn’t been shooting for quite some time. Since our ‘Hope and Change’ election in November, I figured it was time to get back to it before it was no longer an option. I’ve purchased a gun a month and now have a nice little weapons cache (a couple of ARs, Mossberg Persuader, XDM-40…). I’d forgotten how much fun shooting was and have learned how addictive gun buying is. This morning when I saw the headline I immediately went and purchased more mags. I figure I’m doing my part to make the gun nazis’ job just that much more difficult in the future.

diesirae on February 26, 2009 at 9:25 PM

As soon as Obama was elected I bought my first semi-auto, Mini 14 6.8, and all the ammo the store had. I said to the clerk. You can thank your new President for the sale. His response was ” we hear that a lot lately.” Good luck on getting our guns libtards…want another civil war…try getting the guns. There is a reason I am finding it difficult to find bulk ammo that is not on backorder…his name is Obama.

jwp1964 on February 26, 2009 at 9:32 PM

Recession-proof industries:

2) Car washes

Discuss amongst yourselves.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 9:16 PM

Wha…?

That’s a luxury, bud. One that can be more easily attained with a dollar sponge, dollar bucket, water, soap, and if you want to go crazy, 3 bucks for wax…versus 10-15 bucks for a car wash.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 9:34 PM

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 9:34 PM

Dude, not THOSE kinds of car washes. The big ol’ wand type where you shove quarters in the slot.

You need to find a Wisconsin gal and get LAYED. You are WAAAAAY too stressed lately.

Do NOT make me take a direct flight and slap your ass around. How embarrassing would THAT be?

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Dude, not THOSE kinds of car washes. The big ol’ wand type where you shove quarters in the slot.

You need to find a Wisconsin gal and get LAYED. You are WAAAAAY too stressed lately.

Do NOT make me take a direct flight and slap your ass around. How embarrassing would THAT be?

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 9:50 PM

Being slapped around by a bonafide and boned 100% Seattle-styled sissy boy? Very embarrassing.

Maybe you’re the gal I need.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM

darwin-t on February 26, 2009 at 7:56 PM
I suppose it’s possible, but no self respecting gun manufacturer would do it. Cripes, it has a thumb safety and a grip safety. What more do they want?</blockquote>

They want your guns.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Oh, if i only owned a gun shop about now. :)

OwlorNothing on February 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM

I’m not sure they are doing all that well. You can’t sell it if you can’t get it. Selling out your inventory is great, not being able to get more inventory when people are beating down your door — that’s not so great.

AZfederalist on February 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Being slapped around by a bonafide and boned 100% Seattle-styled sissy boy? Very embarrassing.

Maybe you’re the gal I need.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM

If I said, at this moment, “I need to go to Seattle tomorrow for some ungodly reason,” it would take me almost four hours driving and a lost night’s sleep beforehand. As I said earlier, it’s like a foreign country to me.

Your pattern is JUST a tad high.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Hence, the 2nd amendment.

dugan on February 26, 2009 at 5:48 PM

***sniff** you have done it now dugan, gone and got me all emotional ***sniff***

riverrat10k on February 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Your pattern is JUST a tad high.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM

That’s nothing compared to the contact buzz you’re getting from all the other wastoids in your commune.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM

Dude. I’m serious. You need to get laid or something.

I’m not the enemy.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Hmm. From Instapundit. A stealth move?
http://virginiashootingsportsassociation.blogspot.com/2009/02/state-department-floating-ammo-import.html

a capella on February 26, 2009 at 10:11 PM

Dude. I’m serious. You need to get laid or something.

I’m not the enemy.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:10 PM

You might as well be Canadian, sucka.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:12 PM

The Wingnut Revolution:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-wingnut-revolution_b_170361.html

I say go for it.

Make some great television.

getalife on February 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Going in next week to pick out my shotgun, and possibly a handgun. My non-perishable food supply is coming along nicely, and I’ve started buying silver and gold coins. Survivalism is a nice hobby to pass the time while you’re waiting for the hyperinflation and food riots to begin.

TheMightyMonarch on February 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I hope you’re wrong but I’m not counting it out.

riverrat10k on February 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Nice. I’m a six year veteran, and you drop the Canadian bomb on me.

We used to have a pretty cool gig going. It was fun. I don’t know what happened, but you’ve been pretty bitter lately. Sorry to hear it.

FWIW, I’m pretty bitter lately, too. I live in one of the most socialist states in the Union, and the path seems very scary.

I’ll hold my own. I just hate to see you lose your sense of humor.

But you’ll always be my friend.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Your pattern is JUST a tad high.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:01 PM
That’s nothing compared to the contact buzz you’re getting from all the other wastoids in your commune.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM

HEY…take a lesson…both of you…LOL !!!!

jerrytbg on February 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM

getalife on February 26, 2009 at 10:16 PM

Did you get one yet?

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 10:19 PM

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Are you going for an Andy Kaufman schtick, or what? When did you get so sensitive?

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:22 PM

All this, and you’re getting sore over a Canuck remark?

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Are you going for an Andy Kaufman schtick, or what? When did you get so sensitive?

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Sigh. Never mind.

I guess we’re all bitter clingers these days.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM

Ya’ll don’t shoot each other but if you are looking for an enemy, they work on Wall Street.

getalife on February 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM

get a clue,
oh yea…

jerrytbg on February 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM

All this, and you’re getting sore over a Canuck remark?

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Dude, it just must be the times we live in.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Dude, it just must be the times we live in.

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM

I guess, because you’re not the only one overreacting lately. Seriously, when did everyone get so down on this site? Yes, Obama is president. Yes, Congress sucks. Seems like some have abandoned humor as tonic, when they should be embracing it.

Now call me a cheese-eating pussy boy, before I slap you upside your espresso-chugging fat head.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:34 PM

getalife on February 26, 2009 at 10:26 PM

You need a firearm safety course.

Johan Klaus on February 26, 2009 at 10:35 PM

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Cheese pussy what, again?

I forgot the rules. Damn.

PS: what the hell is an espresso?

wccawa on February 26, 2009 at 10:37 PM

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