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Hey, who’s up for renewing the assault weapons ban? Update: Not Pelosi

posted at 2:00 pm on February 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Gotta give Eric Holder credit: His use of “just a few” here is simply a masterpiece of ominous rhetorical efficiency.

You can’t say you weren’t warned.

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

“As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons,” Holder told reporters…

Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.

“It’s something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign,” he said. “There are obviously a number of things that are — that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I’m not sure exactly what the sequencing will be.”

Combine this with the fact that demand for guns has been booming for months and we should see the price of semi-automatics blow sky high. Any ban will have to survive two challenges: One, obviously, will be a goal-line stand by the Supreme Court’s conservative majority in applying the Heller decision, but count on smilin’ Anthony Kennedy to “find his conscience” and switch sides if it gets that far. The more serious obstacle is convincing a majority in the House to vote for it. An NRA spokesman tells the Standard he expects 60+ Blue Dogs — roughly the number endorsed by the group two years ago — to oppose a ban, but I think he’s kidding himself. It’s one thing to be pro-gun when there’s a Republican majority and no chance of the ban coming back; it’s another thing to do it when there’s a serious chance of passage and the prestige of a new president from your own party is riding on it. I’ll bet it passes — narrowly. Exit question: Will the Centrist Three in the Senate join with the GOP to filibuster? Specter’s pretty good on guns.

Update: Looks like I spoke way, way too soon. Clearly, Madam Speaker doesn’t think she has the votes.

Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.

“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it’s clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

Presumably they’ll revisit the issue after the midterms if they pick up a few more liberal seats in the House.


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BTW do you have any recomendations on fly tieing equipment for arthritis?

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:21 PM

No, I am sorry I don’t of anything specific. I’ve got a Regal Medallion vise. It’s real nice, but I don’t think it would be any better for someone with arthritis than any other.

A few years go I fly fished next to an eighty-year-old man with a walker. He waded out into the middle of the stream and fished for hours leaning aginst that walker. And he left with a full creel. He was a fasincating old guy. If you want to do it, you can find a way. But I wish I could help.

flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Yes..it is safer

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

YES

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM

lol :)

Let’s just say I was a lightning-fast study when I moved here….had a lot of catchin’ up to do ;)

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

If you ever decide to go back, there are organizations trying to get a Second recognized. If enough violent mobs go crazy over there this year, it might just be possible to pass.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

This country is FREE isn’t it. How do you think it became free? The people throwing dung at the English army FFS.

Grow a brain!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Does nobody care that guncrime is out of control …
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Someone plese explain why in this day and age it’s a good thing that any fool can own a gun…
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

What the bejesus are you talking about anytime you turn on the news theres a rason based arrguement against gun ownsership… some loony opens up in a church….” two dead in mall shooting”…. ELEVEN YEAR OLD KILLS FATHERS FIANCE WITH HiS OWN SHOTGUN, christ you people are insane

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM

goodness … the epitome of the liberal education and media machine. where do you receive your current information? CNN? Newsweek? SNL?

the number one cause of death for children in the united states is drowning. head over to cdc.gov and check it out yourself. moreover, death by firearm for the same group is 10 times less.

regarding your accidental shooting scenario; law enforcement will shoot the wrong person 11 times more often than the average citizen. why? the citizen on the scene knows who the bad guy is. law enforcement shows up and has to make a decision in a couple seconds with very limited information. unfortunately, the decision is not always correct.

regarding the looney in the church scenario; tragic, but i fault the church leaders. wouldn’t happen at ours. regarding schools and (many) malls … they are gun free zones by law. the law abiding citizens don’t bring their firearms along, but the outlaws do.

if you look at recent history, you will find the greatest murder is government. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, …. the list goes on. hundreds of millions of disarmed people have been murdered by their own government. won’t happen here. myself and folks like the ones you read on this site won’t let it happen.

the 2nd amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

what people like you do not understand is without private firearm ownership, there will be no free state. only free men (and women) carry arms. in addition, your type does not understand shall not be infringed. it is people like myself and folks like the ones you read on this site that provide a free state. not the police … not the military … not the government. last, the militia is not the national guard or other military branch. it is people like myself and folks like the ones you read on this site that are the militia.

regarding the boy shooting someone with his shotgun; tragic, but it is readily apparent that this father did not love his son enough to teach him the discipline and responsibility of firearm ownership. in my home, at a very early age, my children were taught to about firearms. at the age of six, they are taught (read required) how to shoot shotguns and rifles. the less expensive firearms they have hanging on their walls in their rooms. there are not any bodies around my home.

it is only because of people like myself and folks like the ones you read on this site that you are not currently a slave.

AZ_Redneck on February 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Yes, and I’ll tell you why.

When you can ensure that not a single criminal in the world has guns, and when you can assure me that not a single government has guns, then I’ll consider giving mine up.

Until that day, which I really wish would happen by the way, come nowhere near the guns of the law-abiding.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM

I am looking for something for people who have arthritis and like to tye flies. I may have to make them, but I will need distributors if I do come up with something.

We will see.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Yes..it is safer

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

YES

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 3:32 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

What AZ_Redneck said!

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Yes.

And free.

Otis B on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

About shotguns: yes they have their uses, but they are slow to reload. If you have watched and listened to those news stories about the strife in Mexico, social encounters can on for several minutes, with each participant firing hundreds? of rounds. I was talking about times of mass unrest, not the goblin that breaks into your home for a spot of ultra-violence.

Note to self: add shotty to buy-list (just in case).

But for the domestic low-light situations mentioned as being the turf of the shotty, I have an HK USP with tac light mounted for that duty.

pseudonominus on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Don’t own a firearm. Don’t plan on getting a firearm.

robblefarian on February 26, 2009 at 2:11 PM

Prepare to give up your food and whatever.

cjs1943 on February 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM

What is making us all unsafe is Obama spending money like there is no tomorrow, Obama taking away our rights..including freedom of speech since we are not allowed to criticize him and now he is cutting the defense budget and appeasing the terrorists.

So owning a gun makes us safer. yes

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Nope

I would say it has alot to do with GREED!

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM

NO…it may have soemthign to do with uh uh CRIMINALS?

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM

NO…it may have something to do with uh uh CRIMINALS?

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty

You bet. When states, like mine, changed from may issue to shall issue license to carry, crime actually declined. If criminals don’t know who has a gun, they tread more carefully.

Next, gun crime has risen in the UK following their total ban on handguns. As people say time and time again, by definition criminals don’t obey the law, so making guns illegal results in law abiding citizens being unarmed and the criminals then have nothing to worry about.

So yes, this country is safer because of the guns we own.

crashland on February 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Find a link to back your statement up! Or just SHUT UP! Because the developed world NOW includes Iran, Iraq and a few other choice countries. FFS get a brain!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I’d say that has a lot more to do with a society that regularly watches and accepts violence on screens every day than one of the implements used to achieve killing, which I notice you haven’t yet responded to. I repeat, 99.99% of all guns in America kill no one every year. Tell me how guns are the problem.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Need more guns:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/02/26/klare/print.html

getalife on February 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM

I am looking for something for people who have arthritis and like to tye flies. I may have to make them, but I will need distributors if I do come up with something.

We will see.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I’ll remember to ask my buddy who is an Orvis distributor and get back with you in another thread. I bet there is something out there.

flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 3:37 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

No, I don’t. I think its because of gangs who do own guns illegally.

cjs1943 on February 26, 2009 at 3:38 PM

AZ_Redneck on February 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM

I am literally applauding!!! As a full time police officer and part time soldier, I couldn’t agree more!
The best way I serve my country is by excercising my 2nd Amendment rights!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it’s clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

Which means if you drip sweat on an application you’ll go to jail and your DNA will be recorded for all time.

What will happen is ammunition won’t have a tax so much as a minimum purchase price, something along the lines of $20 a round.

Speakup on February 26, 2009 at 3:38 PM

NO…it may have something to do with uh uh CRIMINALS?

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM

O.K so your arguement is that criminals in america are just more violent and predisposed to murder than the criminals in europe or asia,

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:38 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

Do you honestly think that if the firearms were eliminated that murder, rape, assualt etc etc would just magically stop? Its like this, yes people kill people everyday with guns in crimes. Key words – crimes, criminals…the overwhelming majority of firearm owners in this country are law abiding citizens who dont wake up everyday thinking I am going to shoot someone today. Guns are NOT the problem. Its the idiots who use the tool for destructive purposes. PUNISH them not the rest of us who mind our own business and live our lives in peace. You will never understand this position so I am not going to continue…

EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM

JDAM and WCMD are great weapons, used them in the F-117, but it is NOWHERE near as fun as a high 60 degree dive bomb run..or a 10 degree low angle strafe

My dad flew the F-117, when they were still a secret out of Nellis AFB.

Jvette on February 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM

hmm..I would have thought there were more murders in the muslim countries. Plus..not all homicides are committed with guns.

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM

If gun ownership is a free speech issue, then by that logic why arent people legally allowed to use heroin or drive on the wrong side of the road whenever they like. Answer because its pretty hard to kill someone with words

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:05 PM

What we have here is a common problem with liberal thinkers. You are mixing up laws with rights. I will try and explain the difference.
According to our Founding Fathers rights come from God. You can try and protest that they didn’t believe in religion or not, but it is written into the Declaration of Independence as well as the Constitution. Anyway, since rights come from God, then God is the only one who can take them away. Since nobody here knows what God wants they are inalienable. That means they cannot be taken away even if the holder of the right agrees to it.
Laws are a different animal entirely. Laws come from the State. Laws are not immutable since they have changed over time, and we seem to keep changing them constantly. Since they come from the State they can be taken away by the State. See the difference?

txaggie on February 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM

I do agree that an armed citizenry is necessary. At what point does it become needed? Do we have Americans who will actually use their firearms if the time comes? On that I’m not so sure.

catmman on February 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM

i used to be concerned with this … however, that i can not find a cci 400 primer within 100 miles of my home, the local store shelves are bare of ammo, and firearms sales are through the roof … i thank God and have peace with that.

At what point does it become needed?

when it’s time to hide’em … it’s time to use’em

AZ_Redneck on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Just wondering, seeing as how my guns have killed NO humans should I return them? They must be faulty per the libtards belief that GUNS KILL PEOPLE!! Thank God for warranties!!

EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 3:03 PM
DAMMIT! YOU MADE COFFEE SHOOT OUT OF MY NOSE!!!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Reminds me of a response from an open-carry guy to someone in a checkout line with him:
cust: those things are dangerous!
gun owner: how so?
c: guns kill people!
go: huh, this one hasn’t done anything but stay in my holster except at the range. do you think it’s defective and I should return it?

To those in WI, lets hope the West Allis thing will open things up a bit for you there. Good Luck!

riverrat10k on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

400+ comments, the gun nuts are putting the palin apologists to shame!

benny shakar on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

LAWD…exhausting…

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

AZ_Redneck on February 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM
I am literally applauding!!! As a full time police officer and part time soldier, I couldn’t agree more!
The best way I serve my country is by excercising my 2nd Amendment rights!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Thank you! I have some friends in law enforcement and I know a few D.A.’s. Each of them would agree with your opinion.

flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM

OK guys…I am going to go fly…and then talk to a brick wall about the Bill Of Rights…maybe it will listen more closely than a lib…cheers

tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM

400+ comments, the gun nuts are putting the palin apologists to shame!

benny shakar on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

how so Benny? If you supposedly live in Alaska, you do realize that Alaska does not have a CCL law like the other States and anyone can carry legally in a CCL capacity.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM

To those in WI, lets hope the West Allis thing will open things up a bit for you there. Good Luck!

riverrat10k on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

I’ve been hoping that, too. However, until I can afford a retainer, I’m not doing it.

400+ comments, the gun nuts are putting the palin apologists to shame!

benny shakar on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Go. Die. In. A. Car. Fire.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM

I think all the anti gun people should make up huge signs that state “This is a gun free household” and put them in their front window. Let’s see how that works out for you. (Especially here in Philly)

These idiots fail to comprehend that they are protected by the fact that someone like me MAY own a gun.

(I apologize if this point has already been made. Didn’t have time to read all the comments)

PAGOPgirl on February 26, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Keep it up defenders of the Second Amendment. You are doing the Lord’s work. I’ve got to leave and get some work done.

flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:41 PM

The moose will get him. Stomp.. Stamp… Stomp, Stomping away…. Slip sliding on blood!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

What about the fact that after Great Britain outlawed private ownership of guns the crime rate skyrocketed? The adage held true – once gun onwershipo was outlawed, only the outlaws had guns.

catmman on February 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM

. If you have watched and listened to those news stories about the strife in Mexico, social encounters can on for several minutes, with each participant firing hundreds? of rounds.

I’m learning spanish, so when the time comes I can join La Eme, the Texas Syndicate or Nuesta Familia…might as well join the winning side…

Viva La Raza!!

when that times come, you need to break into a military armory…and get automatics, grenade launchers…etc…

I like the AR, but it has jammed on me…the AK and the old shotgun never have….

right4life on February 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM

If you ever decide to go back, there are organizations trying to get a Second recognized. If enough violent mobs go crazy over there this year, it might just be possible to pass.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:33 PM

There are plenty of other, equally profound, reasons why I would never wish to live in the UK again. I doubt they’ll get any ‘right to arms’, and especially not any ‘right to carry’ laws passed. The brits are cattle inured to their condition. The bulldog is long-dead.

I am an American. This is my home.

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM

The moose will get him. Stomp.. Stamp… Stomp, Stomping away…. Slip sliding on blood!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM

That one actually made me laugh out loud. The mental picture is wonderful.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM

PAGOPgirl on February 26, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Great idea!

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 3:45 PM

The moose will get him. Stomp.. Stamp… Stomp, Stomping away…. Slip sliding on blood!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Damn I wish there was someone with a gun to kill this awful moose!!!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM

Dont kill the moose till he’s done!!

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM

when it’s time to hide’em … it’s time to use’em

AZ_Redneck on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Amen…someone else feels the same way!

I thought I was alone!

catmman on February 26, 2009 at 3:47 PM

That one actually made me laugh out loud. The mental picture is wonderful.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Well the ravens would be sitting on his body picking at him.

Have I mentioned that raven will eat a dead animals in less then 5 minutes. I mean picked CLEAN! We also have the largest Ravens in the world. :)

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Well, I wouldn’t infringe on his right to NOT own a gun by employing mine!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 3:47 PM

What about the fact that the per capita homicide rate in america is so much higher than the rest of the developed world, you don’t think that has something to do with widesacle gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

No. It isn’t. Only statistical fraud suggests this. Comparing the entire US with the UK (frex) is like comparing it with Idaho. It also fails to take account of cultural differences (like Japan – a traditionally passive people, gun control or not). If you control for the few freak regions where ‘gun control’ is the demented law-of-the-land, the US homicide rate is miniscule compared to elsewhere.

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:47 PM

riverrat10k on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Yes, as I told my kids early on, in educating them in gun safety ect etc, this object in my hand does not have a brain. It does not wake up in the morning or middle of the night and decides to get on its little gun legs and walk out of daddies nightstand and shoot someone!
Now, lesson for libtards – there is this little thingy called a trigger, psssst…come closer..closer…it has to be pulled for gun to fire. In some case a gun dropped will also discharge. Either way the gun is not doing either of these things by itself.

EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM

O.K so your arguement is that criminals in america are just more violent and predisposed to murder than the criminals in europe or asia,

This, unfortuantely, is true. Although it is not just an argument. It is what the data show. Data also show that homocide is not correlated with gun availibity.

exception on February 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM

We also have the largest Ravens in the world. :)

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:47 PM

But your men have the teensiest peckers – shrinkage y’see ;)

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM

homocide is not correlated with gun availibity.

exception on February 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Why am I laughing?

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM

But your men have the teensiest peckers – shrinkage y’see ;)

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM

and blue scrotums!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Why does everybody need to have a gun, what kind of rediculousness is this, just because some guys 200 years ago thought it was a good idea doesnt mean it’s still a good idea today. A 12 YEAR OLD SHOT HIS FATHERS PREGNANT FIANCE WITH HIS OWN 12 GUAGE….. just what in the hell is going on.

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Want more information. Stepchildren are abused and murdered all the time, it might have been self-defence.

darktood on February 26, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Why am I laughing?

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM

It is the gayness of the situation that makes up for the lack there of, of the cide!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:50 PM

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304

I think this says it all!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 3:50 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty

Ahhh…Yes I can! Read below if you don’t believe me. (And these are just a few of many, many examples.)

Evading a months-long manhunt that canvassed two north Florida counties, Brian K. Franklin – whose criminal pursuits reportedly included drug manufacturing, car theft and home burglary – finally met his demise at the hand of a homeowner intent on self-preservation. Franklin brazenly walked onto the back porch of the Mayo, Fla., home with a handgun by his side but was momentarily halted when the victim’s wife locked the interior door. Undeterred, Franklin broke in and reportedly raised his gun at the woman. That’s when the woman’s husband leveled a 12-ga. shotgun at Franklin’s chest and pulled the trigger. The mortally wounded ruffian retreated from the house and expired a short while later in a nearby wood. (Branford News, Branford, Fla.)

Stanley Horn and his wife were at their home in Cumberland County, Tenn., one evening when a knife-wielding man forced his way inside and proceeded to tie up the couple and lead them upstairs. But the home invader apparently didn’t do a thorough job on Horn’s knots. Horn was able to free his hands and shot his tormentor three times, killing him. (The Knoxville News-Sentinel, Knoxville, Tenn.)

Bail bond agency owner and former police officer Juliet Williams stopped by her office early one morning on business and was immediately faced with a life-or-death situation. Judas Lewis Caudle, a career criminal intent on theft, was inside and had already stacked up a load of office equipment near the front door. When Caudle came at Williams with a crowbar, Williams fought back, firing once from the handgun for which she has a carry permit and mortally wounding Caudle. (The Charlotte Observer, Charlotte, N.C.)

Huntington Beach, Calif., homeowner Larry Spahr awoke to a loud banging at his back door early one morning only to find the door nearly kicked in and a hand reaching inside. After tussling through the opening with the man to whom the arm belonged, Spahr heard an accomplice say, “Move away from the door.” Four shots rang out, sending splintered glass toward Spahr who retreated to his bedroom and grabbed a .357 Mag. handgun. He fired back, and the inept home invaders fled. (The Orange County Register, Santa Ana, Calif.)

Reynaldo Batista had just given a man and his female companion a ride in Phoenix, Ariz., when the man pulled a gun while the woman relieved Batista of his wallet, watch and car keys, according to police. As Batista and the man became engaged in a struggle, Batista pulled his Glock handgun and fired twice. The would-be robber – who had a lengthy criminal record including several outstanding felony warrants – died from his wounds. (The Arizona Republic, Phoenix, Ariz.)

Clinton, N.C., convenience store owner Ali Odeh suspected something was wrong when he saw a customer enter his store leaving one hand inside his jacket pocket and continuing to keep his face turned away. Odeh later told police the man then approached him, pulled out a hammer and demanded, “Give me your money!” Odeh promptly upped the man’s ante by producing a gun. The fleeing would-be robber was caught by police soon afterward. (The Sampson Independent, Clinton, N.C.)

Garnett Campbell had left home early one morning in order to withdraw cash from a bank’s automatic teller machine. He had no idea he was in for the rudest of greetings. As Campbell stood at one machine waiting for his cash, a man standing at the next machine made a threatening gesture and ordered, “Give me all your money.” A brief struggle ensued during which the two wrestled on the ground. Finally, Campbell drew his licensed handgun and fired, mortally wounding the would-be robber who fled and shortly thereafter crashed his vehicle into a convenience store. (Miami Herald, Miami, Fla.)

When Betty Kulas turned out the Christmas lights and went to bed one evening in her Tampa, Fla., home, she placed a.25-cal. handgun nearby. Not long afterward, the 62-year-old widow and grandmother of 16 was awakened by a crashing sound. Arming herself, she went to the living room to investigate and noticed a man’s shadow move through her kitchen. “I just squeezed,” said Kulas of firing at the intruder, who was wounded before fleeing into a nearby field. Police charged the man with burglary of an occupied residence. He reportedly later told his mother, “I am so tired of this. I really want to go straight” (St. Petersburg Times, St. Petersburg, Fla.)

Shooting suspect James Michael Smith made a poor choice of hideouts one afternoon when he ducked into Tom Campbell’s Standard Wilson Glass Co. in Knoxville, Tenn. Attempting to evade police, Smith ran into a supply room at the business where Campbell caught him reaching into his pocket. Campbell drew his .40-cal. pistol, held it against Smith and told him not to move. “He came awful close to meeting his maker,” said Campbell. Police were following closely behind and took Smith into custody. “I am a glass merchant that would like this trash off the street,” Campbell said. “I was glad I was able to help.” (The Knoxville News-Sentinel, Knoxville, Tenn.)

sdd on February 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Why am I laughing?

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Because homocide is something you live in fear of.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Two things to keep in mind: “Renew” is not the right word; “reinstate” is. As McCain pointed out regarding Bush’s tax cuts, there’s a big difference between extending a current law and enacting a new one.

Also, if anyone would want to do this, it’d be Pelosi. The 101 California Street Shootings in her district were what prompted the ban to begin with. That she won’t says a lot about the changes of the last 15 years.

calbear on February 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM

and blue scrotums!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM

In days of old, brazen Scots would paint their balls blue and wade into battle….

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Because homocide is something you live in fear of.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Nervous laughter indeed….but a very well armed, nervous laughter ;)

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Nervous laughter indeed….but a very well armed, nervous laughter ;)

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM

You could always join the Pink Pistols. :D

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM

You could always join the Pink Pistols. :D

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Jokes aside….they’re a fine group.

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:54 PM

darktood on February 26, 2009 at 3:50 PM

There is a link in an earlier comment. He was jealous and killed the fiance with his own gun his father bought him for Christmas. It happened in Pa.

I still say that homicides do occur with other weapons..not always guns.

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Jokes aside….they’re a fine group.

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:54 PM

With all that they have to deal with in this world, once again, it stuns me that there are any homosexuals AGAINST gun ownership.

MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I hate the color pink!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Last week in Memphis a former football star held a teenage girl hostage for hours and raped her. His weapon…a “barbecue fork.” That same dude is also a suspect in a brutal rape of a 67-year-old woman.

If a thug has evil in his heart, he will find a way, armed or unarmed.

flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 3:55 PM

knives come to mind. And it lately seems to be with someone holding a head.

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Equanim1ty found,

I know this is going to be difficult for you, but let’s try to talk logic. Gary Kleck is one of the nation’s foremost criminologists.

In Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, Kleck’s research showed that guns are used several million times each year defensively. The vast majority of times, the mere presence of a firearm diffused a threat upon display.

You posit guns are too great a hazard to our society to entrust to our citizenry. The data from Kleck’s criminological research (as well as research from other academics) shows that civilians owning guns prevents far more crimes that they cause.

Thousands of years of history also shows us that one the first things a tyrant does is disarm those he would oppress.

So now I am forced to ask questions I hope you will seriously ask yourself:

Are you merely ignorant of the facts, and amenable to changing you opinion based upon reputable criminological facts?

IF NOT:

Are you too fearful of your own irresponsible behavior that you feel you could not act rationally with a firearm, and are projecting that fear upon others?

IF NOT:

Are you merely a petty tyrant in waiting, hoping those who have differing ideologies from you will be crushed by the government-sponsored violence that would be your fig leaf?

While I won’t presume to put words in your mouth, most of the people I’ve personally known who are strongly anti-gun are ignorant about firearms and how they operate, are a bit skittish by nature, are quick to fly to an overemotional response, and quite simply, are probably prone towards being the kind of people who would use a firearm in a fit of passion or rage if one was at hand.

They can’t imagine others being able to act reasonably when they cannot, and project their shortcomings onto others as a reason nobody should be allowed to own guns.

Even your responses here are all based upon emotion, with a smattering of anecdotal evidence.

So tell us, Equanim1ty found, are you still willing to argue against logic and fact against your strongly-held emotional truths?

Or are you emotionally strong enough to admit your arguments are without logical merit, and based upon only your own shortcomings as a person?

Bob Owens on February 26, 2009 at 3:57 PM

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Indeed. Fox is doing a show this weekend on beheadings. How there has been so many done by muslims lately.

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Bob Owens on February 26, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Good questions.

becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 4:05 PM

Dear Equanim1ty,

Hello. Washington D.C. area resident here. Up until last year’s Heller case, D.C. had a prohibition on firearms, and still has such a restrictive policy towards them that we might as well still have the ban.

And yet, our crime rate remains alarmingly high. This includes firearm-related homicides and shootings.

Why is this?

Because cliched as it may have become, harsher gun laws really don’t do anything but take firearms away from LAW-ABIDING citizens. Criminals in D.C. have NEVER had a problem getting them, and our crime rate reflects this accordingly.

It’s because of this unique context that I live in, I always laugh when someone tries that “no, we need stricter gun laws!” argument. I’ve lived under the strictest of gun laws, friendo, and it did precisely dick to stop crime or firearm-related death. If anything, it’s made it far worse.

Vyce on February 26, 2009 at 4:05 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

You claim that crime in America is more rampant then across the pond in Europe. Where are you getting your facts from, or are you just stating something that is obvious? Let me give you a dose of reality. I don’t have time to look through the crime statistics for the entire EU, so I will focus entirely on England where gun control is strictly enforced. Instead of quoting well known opinion I will quote facts. I am getting my facts from here. Where are you getting yours?

England has overtaken America in all criminal areas save murder. But before you claim victory you need to look at another stat. They have a 38% higher rate of stabbings then the US. Using the simple logic you value you so highly you can understand that if guns were used instead of knives our murder rate would actually be the same or even lower.
Now we shall move to your next argument that America is less safe due to widespread gun ownership. Since England has always had strict gun control we have to move to a country that recently enacted restrictions and see if there is a change in violence. Lucky for us we do have an example and that would be Australia. The exact data can be found here but I will give you the high lights. Since the gun ban violent crime has risen. Homicides increased by 3.2%, assaults by 8.6%, and armed robberies by 44%! In one area alone (Victoria) armed robbery was up 300%! Those numbers seem fairly convincing to me. What data do you have to backup your claims?

txaggie on February 26, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Pelosi is stupid, but not that stupid. The 2nd Amendment, like Social Security is like the third rail in a subway tunnel. You don’t want to touch it.

Nancy’s having way too much fun at the moment with her government issued, Democratic Party backed credit card.

In short “There ain’t no money in it”.

GarandFan on February 26, 2009 at 4:10 PM

See my trigger finger? It’s my safety.

Back away slowly….

ladyingray on February 26, 2009 at 4:14 PM

Sigh. Of all the times to wish I could afford a gun…

It sucks being poor. There are so many disasters you can’t guard against.

Dark-Star on February 26, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Someone plese explain why in this day and age it’s a good thing that any fool can own a gun…
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

So let’s take this train of thought a bit farther. If the goal is safety why do we allow anyone to drive over 25 MPH? In fact why allow anyone to drive?

Other possibly more inflammatory statements:
Why don’t we outlaw Islam (maybe religion all together)?
Why don’t we outlaw alcohol?
Why don’t we outlaw tobacco?

Are you seeing the whole personal freedom angle?

Bunsin on February 26, 2009 at 4:22 PM

The potential ban has be wanting to pick up an AR-15 with a few extra 30 round magazines but I can’t find one anywhere. I swear, Obama has to be in bed with the gun manufacturers because he has been the best cause of sales probably ever.

cadams on February 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM

But your men have the teensiest peckers – shrinkage y’see ;)

LimeyGeek on February 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM
and blue scrotums!

upinak on February 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM

That is why the fur lined underware was invented.

akoilfieldtrash on February 26, 2009 at 4:40 PM

The potential ban has be wanting to pick up an AR-15 with a few extra 30 round magazines but I can’t find one anywhere. I swear, Obama has to be in bed with the gun manufacturers because he has been the best cause of sales probably ever.

cadams on February 26, 2009 at 4:25 PM

there every where from $900 up.

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

when it’s time to hide’em … it’s time to use’em
AZ_Redneck on February 26, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Very well said and very true.

saiga on February 26, 2009 at 4:43 PM

there every where from $900 up.

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM

WHERE??? I can’t find them under $1000!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

O.K you guys are all obviuisly entitled to your opinion, but can anyone on this thread honestly tell me that you think America is a safer country thanks to widespread gun ownership

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 3:31 PM

When they put in conceiled handgun permits in Texas after the Lubys shootings in Killeen, crime has dropped like a rock. When you arm the sheep, the wolves think twice.

saiga on February 26, 2009 at 4:47 PM

WHERE??? I can’t find them under $1000!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM

my local has a dpms sporter for $925, and check out this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=123764605 ther are plenty there.

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

All I know is that I am very proud of all the passion displayed on this thread on this very important subject. It reminds me again that in these uncertain times there are great Americans out there who still believe in the core values, traditions and rights that have made this country so great. It is encouraging to read the replies it really is.

EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Someone plese explain why in this day and age it’s a good thing that any fool can own a gun…
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Don’t forget, guns are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Not to mention they can save your life. A gun in the hand of a criminal is an offensive weapon, and in the hand of a law abiding citizen, it is a defensive weapon.

If I am goinmg to argue with someone over a dollar, I want to be the one holding the dollar. I don’t want to choose to be a victim either. Being unarmed and helpless is a good prescription for crime victimhood.

saiga on February 26, 2009 at 4:52 PM

You know, a lot of Democrats understand that certain issues, including gun control and abortion, are just bad news for them. That’s why they’ve avoided passing legislation on them, content to let the courts ease the law in their preferred direction.

But it seems that Obama’s team is willing to tackle any issue, no matter how it might alienate a majority of voters.

hawksruleva on February 26, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Thanks for the link! I will check out the rest of the site, but I should have been more clear… I am looking for the M-4 version. Carried one for a year in Iraq and prefer it to the larger model. Much quicker time on target and much handier when having to exit a vehicle to deploy your weapon.

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Someone plese explain why in this day and age it’s a good thing that any fool can own a gun…
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Because when you have a gun, criminals are less likely to bother you.

Because any fool can STEAL a gun, or buy one illegally.

Because owning a gun provides good training if there’s ever a draft.

Because riots still happen in America.

Because governments, by their nature, seeks to diminish personal liberties, and it is sometimes necessary to remind governments of their place.

Because we can’t own anything bigger, like an M-1 tank.

hawksruleva on February 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Thanks for the link! I will check out the rest of the site, but I should have been more clear… I am looking for the M-4 version. Carried one for a year in Iraq and prefer it to the larger model. Much quicker time on target and much handier when having to exit a vehicle to deploy your weapon.

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM

First of all thanks for your service !!!!!!

understand about the m-4, you probably want find one for under 1k.

Be_Aware on February 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Why does everybody need to have a gun, what kind of rediculousness is this, just because some guys 200 years ago thought it was a good idea doesnt mean it’s still a good idea today. A 12 YEAR OLD SHOT HIS FATHERS PREGNANT FIANCE WITH HIS OWN 12 GUAGE….. just what in the hell is going on.

Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my guns

Wade on February 26, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Am I the only fool who wishes I had bought an M-4 a year and a half ago and could have gotten it for under $800?
Maybe some of y’all were right and Obama is in “Big Gun’s” pocket. The price has damn sure gone up!

fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM

About shotguns: yes they have their uses, but they are slow to reload.
pseudonominus on February 26, 2009 at 3:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibBgBhwafGM

dugan on February 26, 2009 at 5:08 PM

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