Hey, who’s up for renewing the assault weapons ban? Update: Not Pelosi
posted at 2:00 pm on February 26, 2009 by Allahpundit
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Gotta give Eric Holder credit: His use of “just a few” here is simply a masterpiece of ominous rhetorical efficiency.
You can’t say you weren’t warned.
The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.
“As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons,” Holder told reporters…
Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.
“It’s something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign,” he said. “There are obviously a number of things that are — that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I’m not sure exactly what the sequencing will be.”
Combine this with the fact that demand for guns has been booming for months and we should see the price of semi-automatics blow sky high. Any ban will have to survive two challenges: One, obviously, will be a goal-line stand by the Supreme Court’s conservative majority in applying the Heller decision, but count on smilin’ Anthony Kennedy to “find his conscience” and switch sides if it gets that far. The more serious obstacle is convincing a majority in the House to vote for it. An NRA spokesman tells the Standard he expects 60+ Blue Dogs — roughly the number endorsed by the group two years ago — to oppose a ban, but I think he’s kidding himself. It’s one thing to be pro-gun when there’s a Republican majority and no chance of the ban coming back; it’s another thing to do it when there’s a serious chance of passage and the prestige of a new president from your own party is riding on it. I’ll bet it passes — narrowly. Exit question: Will the Centrist Three in the Senate join with the GOP to filibuster? Specter’s pretty good on guns.
Update: Looks like I spoke way, way too soon. Clearly, Madam Speaker doesn’t think she has the votes.
Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.
“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it’s clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”
Presumably they’ll revisit the issue after the midterms if they pick up a few more liberal seats in the House.
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Reporter: Can you give some examples, Madam Speaker?
Pelosi: Um, well, I thing it is evident that things did not work under Bush.
Reporter: So, just let me clarify. You are just talking out of your ass then?
Pelosi: I’m sorry, I’m late for a strongarming session.
riverrat10k on February 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM
EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM
Pelosi knows this is a hotbutton and will at least pay lip service, for now, to talking down the issue. She knows this will be one area where they could lose big just as in ‘94.
I do agree that an armed citizenry is necessary. At what point does it become needed? Do we have Americans who will actually use their firearms if the time comes? On that I’m not so sure.
catmman on February 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Go here to find out:
biden.senate.gov/senator
Badger40 on February 26, 2009 at 2:26 PM
On the one hand, you’ve got to hand it to her for the first part. That’s honest. But then blaming it on Bush is just more of the same ol’ bullshit. The gun laws haven’t been enforced with any rigor since forever. Clinton, in particular (’though not exclusively), was notorious for trying to pass new legislation because “the laws we’ve got just aren’t effective.” Never mind that enforcement was practically non-existent.
Someone did a study here in Maryland in the 90s and examined how the current laws were being enforced in this state. Basically, from bottom to top, nobody in enforcement, the DA’s office, or the courts did anything to actually apply the laws that existed. Obvious possession violators were not being arrested. Nor were they even being charged consistently; those who were being charged were not being convicted (charges were dropped in a vast majority of cases); and those convictions that actually did happen would end up in wrist slaps.
I don’t know if there was evidence for it, but it was claimed that the mandate had come down from Clinton’s Justice Department that the laws were not to be enforced. The obvious intent was so that they could go whining to Congress that tougher regulations and out-right bans were the only way to stem this “horrific problem”, because the laws we have “are so obviously ineffective.”
I hope that Obama pushes this one, and runs into a buzz-saw in Congress. I’m willing to bet that the Blue Dogs are going to have some spine on this one. It’s a pretty big deal for a lot of them. Of course, looking at how they folded in the House on Porkulus, I guess there’s no guarantee.
nukemhill on February 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Drool… I bet you talk dirty in bed too… YOU ROCK!
Ok, so sorry, I know your married and that was maybe over the line, but I was trying to be funny, it’s a guy thing.
Mark Garnett on February 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
I don’t feel that I need a weapon with Hopey and Changey and His loving gang in charge.
Nobody around The One has assault rifles except his relative Odinga.
And, despite his followers burning down a few churches, (with people in them) he seems like a cool politician. Those people were political enemies, unarmed and hiding from armed thugs.
Wait a minute……
IlikedAUH2O on February 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Idunno, Gang. I think the “morans” are the ones who elected Obama.
Remember: Guns don’t kill people. Husbands who come home early do.
kingsjester on February 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Lol. And I like how Mark Garnett loves you now, too. If that’s not a sign that Obama should leave this issue alone I dont’ know what is.
BadgerHawk on February 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Awww I knew you’d come back to me, baby. ;)
I truly believe that the definition of conservative is not confined by most issues. However, taxes, size of government, and the second amendment are, to me, the third, second, and first qualifiers.
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM
There might be hope, yet…
DL13 on February 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Ten children a day die from drowning. It is completely preventable, why isn’t the government not demanding all children be taught how to swim? Why backyard pools not banned? SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!!! AAAHHAHHAHAH!!!
darclon on February 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Why don’t the parents actually do anything with their kids? Why don’t you mentor them? Why is the sky blue.. why do vigilanties get these gun (because the kill the responsible ones or steal them from the responsible ones)…
Serious.. Why are you here? You won’t change your mind.. it is closed and seal with superglue!
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM
If it aint guns, it’s sticks or broken bottles. Guns don’t pull triggers, people do. If you outlaw guns, the criminals and the goverment can run against us at will.
saiga on February 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” Thomas Jefferson
Kevin in Washington State on February 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Dude you are cheating on me. No guns for you!
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Someone plese explain why in this day and age it’s a good thing that any fool can own a gun. One stat for you, people who keep guns in there houses a more likely to accidentally shoot a family member than an intruder. I say again this is insanity!!!!!!!!!
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:18 PM
MY GOD – you are f#cking stupid….
EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Yes, and your point was?
rofl
It’s just so nice to see me and Madison BOTH so passionatly agree on an issue of great import… New found respect might be around the corner, and if an gun orgy helps… :)
Mark Garnett on February 26, 2009 at 2:29 PM
Why does everybody need to have freedom of speech
a gun, what kind of rediculousness is this, just because some guys 200 years ago thought it was a good idea doesnt mean it’s still a good idea today.Make it any clearer?
catmman on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I wanna join!
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
I’m up to 27, but there is always room for more, eh?
Next on the list: HK P-7M8
pseudonominus on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
You’d be surprised how many democrats out there still see the second amendment as important, even if they do keep trigger locks on their goddamned home defense weapons. Push it, and I think you’ll see rage quickly explode on both sides. 5 years ago? Maybe not. On top of a horrible economy and government spending worse than ever? They’re going to get a big surprise. I think that’s why even Pelosi jumped at the idea. They may be naive, but they’re not completely stupid.
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Sokay brother. :D I don’t offend very easily.
But you know, talking in bed is for touchy feely people.
So is cuddling.
But I have been told I’m insensitive.
Badger40 on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Why is this a bad choice please someone explain the rational behind thinking everyone should havre guns
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Because hunting Cape Buffalo with a spear is known to be hazardous to your health.
Bishop on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
For every story of a kid killing a step-mother or Daddy’s girlfriend, there are fifty where a grandmother defended herself against a would-be rapist.
And any man who isn’t able and prepared to defend his family needs to grow a pair! You are the first line of defense for your wives and children. The police come by after it’s all over to write up a report and start the manhunt. They are almost never around to do any actual defensive work.
flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
If someone else had been armed on the campus of Virgina Tech, they would not have lost that wonderful professor who held the door closed and died giving his life for others or the rest of the casualties they sustained.
kingsjester on February 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM
No worries.. I don’t cuddle either. The BF is very uipset about that, but I told him to get over it. :)
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM
It’s clear that you aren’t going to change our minds and we aren’t going to change yours. That’s fine. You have the right to own or not own a firearm. But your arguments on the issue are much more emotion based than reason based, so in the future I’d suggest approaching it from a different angle.
BadgerHawk on February 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Virgina = Virginia
oops.
kingsjester on February 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM
I have many guns, but I won’t tell you how many; a girl has to have a few secrets.
Bishop on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Our broken government is scared of the people with this economic disaster.
getalife on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Guys wanting to cuddle?????? What kind of guys are you gals dating..lol
MDWNJ on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
As a 15 year veteran of the police department, I must disagree with you on this.
For home defense I always recommend a shotgun with bird shot! The reasons are simple:
1. Most home intruders are shot at very close range, inside of 6 feet. Bird shot will do a marvelous job of stopping the threat at that range.
2. If you miss, and believe me, when the threat level is maxed out, missing is the rule and not the exception, you won’t kill your children in the next room! Sheetrock will slow down the shot enough that it won’t cause death or serious injury in most cases!
3. It is point and shoot. No leveling, no aiming!
I do, however, agree that an AR or similar “assault rifle” is a MUST HAVE for anyone who is concerned about having to fight for what they believe is worth killing for!
fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Yep. Especially in Memphis.
kingsjester on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Handguns were banned in England, and afterwards handgun crime increased. Handguns were banned in Washington DC, and afterwards handgun crime increased.
In some towns, ordinances were passed requiring firearms ownership by citizens. Crime decreased. Switzerland is one of the only countries that has remained uninvaded despite world wars. Reason? Firearms in every home, and a good deal of the populace ready to use them to repel invaders.
Gun ownership by law-abiding people deters crime. Banning ownership by law-abiding people does nothing but encourage law-breakers who didn’t follow the regular gun laws anyway.
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
I disagree. A shotgun makes perfect sense within a house. Most defensive shots would be made at night with poor visibility, the rounds are more devastating at close ranges, and there is less fear of over-penetration.
An AR is more versatile though.
Remember, you are responsible for every round put down range; life or death situation or not.
darclon on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
…and anyway has crime gone up in any significant way since it was sunsetted? really? I didnt think so…
…PREPARE…
OH! and sisnce it cant be reloaded buy plenty of .22 long rifle ammo it’ll be worth its weight in gold if the crap ever hits the fan.
…PREPARE… again…
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Wow, I’m just going to sit back and watch MadisonRealConservative go after the trolls… This is great. I don’t need to say another word… He and Badger got this covered…
God, I love the smell of freedoms in the morning…
Mark Garnett on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
You are very right about that. There are still many Southern Democrats around who have been taught that FDR saved the country, so they won’t vote Republican if their lives depended on it. But FDR himself would pay hell trying to take their guns. The Blue Dogs might save the nation…seriously.
flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
why approach it at all? Anti-Gun’s like that will never understand or change their mind because they are scared to death of them.
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:33 PM
Haha! Get him a stuffed bear! Or better yet, how about a blow up doll? Only for cuddling, of course.
I can’t cuddle bcs I’m constantly thinking about science & politics.
GUFFAW!
Badger40 on February 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishment, quoted by Thomas Jefferson in Commonplace Book
IOW: If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!
INC on February 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Completely agree.
BadgerHawk on February 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Why is this a bad choice please someone explain the rational behind thinking everyone should havre guns
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Because hunting Cape Buffalo with a spear is known to be hazardous to your health.
Bishop on February 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Also a cop is too heavy to carry around all day.
Remember when seconds count the police are minutes away.
EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
I only trust politicians who can handle a firearm.
Needless to say; I trust this lady more than anyone else on the political scene today.
Norwegian on February 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Come and take them!!!
Wanna rassle over them? I might enjoy it. ;)
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
A Former Marine :)
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM
Your a Memphian, too?
flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
BadgerHawk on February 26, 2009 at 2:31 PM
What the bejesus are you talking about anytime you turn on the news theres a rason based arrguement against gun ownsership… some loony opens up in a church….” two dead in mall shooting”…. ELEVEN YEAR OLD KILLS FATHERS FIANCE WITH HiS OWN SHOTGUN, christ you people are insane
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Ooops, You are a Memphian, too?
flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Both of us Madison, WI residents, but the way.
Told ya there’s an underground here. :D
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
that a depressed high school kid whos been bullied and beaten down for 2-3 years can one day snap grab his fathers rifles and go nuts….. WHY isnt this a consideration.
Or drive into a group of kids with a Suburban, or light the bully’s house on fire, or or or or or.
Seriously, wtf.
Bishop on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Ahh we are ready here in SW ND.
If there is a school shooting, every kid & 1/2 the teachers will be running to the parking lot for their guns!
I’m not scared. Come & get some bad guys.
And if I can’t make it to the pick up, I’m pulling out the acid bottles!
Badger40 on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
I told the BF if we ever get married for a AR or a truck instead of a ring. I think I may get an AR in the future LOL!
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Bask in the stupidity!
Brought to you by Hope, Change! and the letter O. (and America’s Publik Skoolz! Three cheers for the NEA!)
SuperCool on February 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Well..there are things called gun cabinets…with locks. ;)
becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM
In your case this is probably a good decision. I assume that you find it difficult to envision ever needing a firearm for any reason. You would, therefore have little inclination to properly learn about, and practice with, any firearm you might purchase.
But please, do not whine or moan about any predicament you may find yourself in a year or more from now. Please do not curse when your armed neighbor decides it is not in their best interest to provide you protection, and you discover that the authorities you were depending upon for your protection will either be responding to your call an hour later, or maybe not at all.
You have made an important decision, that you are obviously comfortable with, but you do have to admit that you, and you alone, are responsible for that decision. Good luck.
Yoop on February 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM
For those that do not wish to own guns: don’t own them. As for the rest of us, we would like to refer you to a profound and concise document: The Constitution of The United States of America. Specifically the 2nd Amendment. It really is a good and quick read :)
tank_killer69 on February 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM
As we say in Texas:
Come and take it! %
TheSitRep on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Remember? I escaped into DeSoto County, MS. I cut a hole in the barbed wire one night. I still have to make sales calls there, though.
kingsjester on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Bullying is over now in school.
Don’t you know-we are educated about bullying & sexual harassment.
It doesn’t happen anymore.
/sarc
Badger40 on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
He was 12 two minutes ago.
CHILDREN AGING BACKWARDS!!! DOGS SLEEPING WITH CATS!!!! AAAAHAHAHAAAHH!!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!
darclon on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
my first gun for home defense would be a 12 gauge shotgun…most of ‘encounters’ you are going to have are going to be at close range…and there is nothing more frightening than a shotgun at close range..the knock-down power, and the sheer intimidation of that bolt sliding home…is tough to beat.
buckshot is a powerful persuader.. and most of the time its going to be dark, and getting a good shot is tougher to come by…
right4life on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Well Madison and I are from Wisconsin, home of the badger, the more aggressive and hostile creature on earth. And we drink a lot, so that doesn’t help.
BadgerHawk on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
How did that child get the gun? Probably unlocked form his dad’s room, right?
How did you sone get that can of detergent and why is he throwing it on you? Ahhh detergent, and household chemcials can make weapons too… but they scar more!
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
I tried that on my fiancee.
Didn’t work.
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
-Most- agressive, ahem.
BadgerHawk on February 26, 2009 at 2:37 PM
For me this is like the abortion issue, i cant understant how anyone can be pro choice, it’s just beyond how anyone thinks an automatic right to own a gun is healthy in a modern society
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Make no mistake, Senator Byrd doesn’t give a rat’s a** about Obama power grab against the people, just if he does it against the Senate.
johnsteele on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM
I KNEW I married the wrong woman!!!
fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Locks get in the way of speed.
But I usually am locked & loaded in the pasture.
:D
Badger40 on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Sounds like You watch too much news go outside the fresh air might do you some good. Live a little stop letting the Media tell you what is going on…
…PREPARE…
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
And sometimes they won’t come at all unless they know a crime has already been committed.
scalleywag on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
I am not enough of a “nut” to be expert on this topic, but I ran into a fella last week that would take care of me if I brought the lower. He also spoke about reliability, machining, etc. till even my eyes glazed over. Lots of discussion on the boards, just wanted your opinion.
Thx upinak!
Cya after the apocalypse.
riverrat10k on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Beat me to it, you commie homo-lover.
BadgerHawk on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Yeah but I told him….. there is a difference ;)
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
you’re a pathetic idiot..move to britain..and get stabbed…
right4life on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
ELEVEN YEAR OLD KILLS FATHERS FIANCE WITH HiS OWN SHOTGUN, christ you people are insane
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM
My God…you’re right. People are only a gun away from killing someone.
And to think that 1,000 years ago people weren’t being murdered, assaulted or robbed because they didn’t have a gun handy.
Bishop on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
complete morans who shouldnt be allowed to vote
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:15 PM
Insert self-fulfilling joke here.
Otis B on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
For actual combat of looters, government agents, etc I agree. However, for prowlers while our country is still stable? Shotgun has a lower chance of wall penetration, and you want to avoid that. Also has better stun capabilities.
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Best lower you can buy http://www.gunsmith.net
Ordering my fusion kit in the next day or two.
hoakie on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
It was his own shotgun, as in it was bought for him to use and guess what he did… well played Dad that worked out well
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Go here and enter your home town or state in the search archive and see why you should be armed.
NRA Armed Citizen
BrianA on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Hey. This is a concern you know.
My stuck up house cat is now lying with the old outside dog when he comes in from the cold at night.
Boy has $hit hit the fan.
Badger40 on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Sorry sweetie … but I won’t leave Alaska either. :D
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Sounds familiar. When I was in high school (early 80’s), guns were common in the windows of trucks in the school parking lot. I went to a large high school, too, 1,500 kids give or take. And there was never a single gun incident. We all carried pocket knives as well. Any would-be Columbine punks wouldn’t have gotten very far at my school.
flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Kids kill themselves with pills mostly. As for that 11 yr old..I agree his father should NOT have bought him a gun considering he had issues with the gf. It shouldve been locked up too..like most people do.
becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 2:40 PM
What’s the ole’ leftist petard?
Ah, yes:
“Don’t like assault weapons? Don’t have one.”
CDeb on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Damn straight! I mean, I may drink actual liquor and he may drink Shirley Temples, but we drink, dammit!
Shouldn’t you be reading Alinsky right now?
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
As an aside, this is a fascinating book on Switerland in WWII and the role of an armed citizenry in preventing invasion:
Target Switzerland : Swiss armed neutrality in World War II by Stephen P. Halbrook
INC on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
That’s fine, nobody cares if you don’t want them. But why should you be allowed to tell me I can’t have them.
johnsteele on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
And to think that 1,000 years ago people weren’t being murdered, assaulted or robbed because they didn’t have a gun handy.
Bishop on February 26, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Wow strong arguement…. people have always killed eachother so why try and make it harder, that’s shear GENIUS!!!!!!
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
IT’S CALLED THE SECOND AMENDMENT!!! You can move to Australia, they speak English and don’t allow gun ownership!
G’day Mate!
fumpbump on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
This is where you are dumb. All States have laws about children who are under 16 and guns (including shot guns) that the parent in responsible for the guns.
Show me a link to this story!
upinak on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
For me this is like the abortion issue, i cant understant how anyone can be pro choice, it’s just beyond how anyone thinks an automatic right to own a gun is healthy in a modern society
Equanim1ty found on February 26, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Just let the grown ups finish this discussion, please….
EagleClaw on February 26, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Ah, yes I remember. I live in DeSoto now as well, but I’m still a Memphian…if that makes sense.
flyfisher on February 26, 2009 at 2:42 PM
Hm, another thousand comment thread? Guns are always the best rallying cry for conservatives. I would be astounded if Obama was actually dumb enough to go ahead with this asinine assualt weapons ban.
It will be Deja Vu (1994) all over again.
Norwegian on February 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM
hahaha That’s true….
If a kid wants to kill himself..he will find a way. That dad bought it for him because in Pa, 12 yr old’s are allowed to hunt.
becki51758 on February 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM
If Dad refused to teach his kids about the weapons kept in the house, that’s his own fault. Keeping them away from guns leads to disasters like the ones you’re talking about, which are actually extremely rare but highly played up by the media. Every month, the NRA puts out a magazine, a section of which is devoted to listing news stories of people defending themselves with firearms against assailants and criminals, and most of the time never even needing to fire the weapons. Read some of those and then ask again why people need firearms.
MadisonConservative on February 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Sorry to disagree with you but a .410 shotgun is much better for home defense less smoke and noise in an already confusing situation less recoil for smaller people and smaller ladies but all the kick of a 45 longcolt bullet and in bird shot it really is like the INTERNET “Just point and click.
…PREPARE…
-Wasteland Man.
WastelandMan on February 26, 2009 at 2:44 PM
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