Rush: If you think Jindal reeked last night, I don’t want to hear from you again
posted at 6:10 pm on February 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
Sounds like Ace and I are now Republican personas non grata. As are an awful lot of commenters in last night’s megathread, I might add.
That’s okay. One of these days Andy Levy and I are going to start a secular, hawkish, (mostly) libertarian third party. You’re all welcome to join.
So, where are we? We as conservatives are in the wilderness, and many of you are hopeless. So we have a guy, Bobby Jindal, 37 years old, first time on the national stage, shows up last night to make a response to The Messiah. All he did was articulate what we believe. All he did was articulate opposition to what Obama is doing, with the obligatory when he’s right, we’ll work with him, just like we worked with Clinton on NAFTA, just like we worked with Clinton on welfare reform after we brought him in. These things happen. It doesn’t mean that we lose our distrust. All Bobby Jindal did was tell us what conservatism is; he used his own life story to do it; he talked about the American people making the country work. He had it all. Now, he may not have done it in the same stylistic way as Obama. I can understand the Democrats trashing the man, just as they trashed Sarah Palin. They are mean-spirited, heartless, horrible winners. But the people on our side are really making a mistake if they go after Bobby Jindal on the basis of style.
Because if you think people on our side, I’m talking to you, those of you who think Jindal was horrible, in fact, I don’t want to hear from you ever again if you think that what Bobby Jindal said was bad or what he said was wrong or not said well, because, folks, style is not going to take our country back. Solid conservatism articulated in a way that’s inspiring and understanding is what’s going to take the country back. Bobby Jindal’s 37 years old. I’ve spoken to him numerous times. He’s brilliant. He’s the real deal. I’m not coming here to defend him, he doesn’t need that. We’re going to have to figure out what we want. Do we want to have somebody in our party who can sound as smart as Obama regardless what he says and convince people to vote for us, or do we believe in a set of principles that defined this country’s founding and will return it to greatness again?
Answer: Both, and it’s amazing that a guy who worships the Great Communicator and whose own net worth has reached nine digits on the strength of his communication skills would pose that as an either/or. Jindal will shake this off but the fact remains that he blew an opportunity to turn himself into a breakout star a la Obama at the 2004 convention. He’s touted as a sort of boy genius, but a boy genius should have been able to figure out a way not to be actively bad, even if it meant being merely boring. He couldn’t, so his image took a hit. What’s the problem with admitting that? If he was doomed to fail because of the setting — and he surely wasn’t doomed to fail as badly as he did — he should have adapted by changing it and doing the speech in front of a small audience (or a big one). He’s supposed to be the solutions guy, right?
Not a big deal either way, but I’m not sure why it’s heresy to take a dim view of this. Special exit quotation for all the Dittoheads: “People who don’t believe in God believe in Obama. Agnostics, atheists, because believe me, a planeload of atheists on a jet on the way to Hawaii and three of the four engines go out, the atheists start praying to who? God. Not the ocean, to save ‘em. Everybody believes in God at some point, but not until they face their mortality. Everybody does. They have some God. Very few people think they’re it. Obama is one. I think when Obama prays, it’s to himself.”










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Sadly, you are probably right. So, who is our best prospect, with that as the primary consideration?
a capella on February 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
You mean this?
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/25/the-obligatory-helen-thomas-makes-nasty-crack-about-jindal-post/
SouthernDem on February 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM
I’m waiting for Michelle’s follow up regarding what Ann Coulter said about Jindal. I probably shouldn’t hold my breath.
SnarkVader on February 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Rush is nothing more than an egotistical hypocrite. It was about a year ago he was doing the exact same thing against several Republican candidates running for the GOP nomination. Rush has his own agenda and to hell with everyone else or their opinions. Last time I checked, this was a free country and people have the right to voice their displeasure, just as Rush does on a daily basis.
I stopped listening to Rush several years ago but tried to tune in when I could to listen during the primaries, only to realize why I stopped listening in the first place. He is an egotistical hypocrite.
jparks1972 on February 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Good God, that’s an ignorant thing to say.
L.N. Smithee on February 25, 2009 at 7:15 PM
A Capella….
Sarah Palin is the only one with charisma that matches Obambi.
shomegirl on February 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
What did she say?
amerpundit on February 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I agree with your point. Nixon might be an exception but generally the have-a-beer test is an important consideration.
dedalus on February 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I hope you people heard Charles Krauthammer pan Piyush… right before he compared President Obama to reagan!
benny shakar on February 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM
LOL, spoken like an angry Huckabee supporter…. Sorry, but Rush was absolutely right. Huckabee was not a conservative.
He also said nominating McCain would be a huge mistake. He was right in that as well.
Norwegian on February 25, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Do you sometimes get the feeling you are missing out on some really good stuff they are passing around the circle in Washington?
neuquenguy on February 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Did Rush forget about Sarah?
jencab on February 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Great… impact on the converstaion…which accomplishes nothing for our side.
Since he as been on the air the left has totally co-opted public schools and higher education, co-opted all of popular culture, co-opted the majority of newspapers, the majority of magazines, the majority of broadcast news, the majority of cable news, and the majority of internet blogs/sites while boasting about his “new media” which is talk radio, the oil-stained basement of communication forums.
ClassicCon on February 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
You know what Rush is right it serves no purpose to go after Jindal for the egg laying ceremony he presided over last night, it’s a complete waste of time what with all the people with debilitating neurological diseases we could be making fun of instead.
Equanim1ty found on February 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Yeah, I know.
a capella on February 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
He needs a new speechwriter and the setting wasnt the best.
the message was good except for his praise of Obama. I think Jindal does better off the cuff, without a teleprompter.
To me thats way better than Obama and his dependence on the teleprompter.
becki51758 on February 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Let us all remember Gov.Palin,Gov.Jindal,Gov.Mark Sanford,Sen. DeMint all real deal Consev.Critize on some things ok try to destory no way.
thmcbb on February 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM
I realize how marketing works and I understand that HA needs to increase it’s traffic, but having Allahpundit repeatedly trash conservatives and start gratuitous threads about people he couldn’t compete with in his wildest dreams is getting old- the objectives behind these postings are embarassingly obvious.
anniekc on February 25, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Not to be a critic but Rush is right – first style and rhectoric has cost us
Vietnam
and now a trillion dollar Stim Bill followed up with a 1/2 trillion prok bill and a gravy train thats never going to end
Rush also knows that a humble distant speaking style – flat – is classic in his culture – Ghandi didn’t have a weak voice – was not a quiet man – but soaring phrases and fist pounding and church pew theatrics are frowned upon in that culture.
Just like in the midwest here
Also Rushs theatrics did not get him 9 large – it was the message
Jim Hightower was much more entertaining, much more conservative than rush (even as a Democrat) he failed – Rush succeeded
EricPWJohnson on February 25, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Well, from what I’ve heard:
A) a lot of people in LA really wanted a change, since they, being there, knew who (Blanco) really blew it during Katrina. So the Democrats were in trouble from the get-go.
B) Jindal usually does a lot better job of presenting himself as a normal born-and-bred Louisianan (which he is) than he came across as last night.
I’ve never noticed that he talks, communicates, or thinks or whatever, especially “Indian” as opposed to “American.” That’s why I said “I don’t know whether you’re right or wrong” on that high-context/low-context thing. I do know that he’s always seemed super smart, with a great command of detail, and still able to convey his message like a “normal” person, even if a somewhat geeky normal person in an ill-fitting suit (which I don’t think most Louisianans, or other non metrosexual Americans care much about, anyhow.)
notropis on February 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Who is Piyush?
My last thought on Rush… whom I love.
This is the same Rush who during the primaries refused to endorse anyone… is now telling us we can have no criticism of a Conservative’s speech. I’m just saying.
I realize, and agree, that it is not Rush’s job to promote candidates in the primaries. Here it is, not even the primary season, and he does appear to be hyping Jindal.
I love Rush … may we NEVER wake up some morning and not have the option of listening to him. Just an observation.
stenwin77 on February 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Well, did u hear Charles Krauthammer tonight pretty much calling Obama a liar for his saying there were no earmarks in his new bill? The one with 9,000 earmarks.
becki51758 on February 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
You noticed!
That is my one problem with RL and all his talk cohorts. Our FFs sacrificed everything – and some lost everything in the end – for Liberty. And all these rolling-in-money blowhards do is talk.
We need men of action.
klickink.wordpress.com on February 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Got to tell you, the teleprompter meme is nearly as hilarious as the Birthers.
benny shakar on February 25, 2009 at 7:23 PM
I heard Bobby on Hannity’s show. He can’t stop praising Obama. Enough of that crap. I want a person who is willing to kick Obama’s ass.
Sarah is the gal to do it. I recall she told Kristol in an interview that McLame needs to “take the gloves off.” Of course, McLame was a total wash in the second debate. He was horrible and did not heed Sarah’s advice.
However, Sarah totally annihilated Biden and Obama in the debate. She is terrific and a winner.
What I don’t get is Bobby said he worked with democrats to get things done. Rush said, well “we worked with Clinton” on certain things. I couldn’t believe my ears. He reprimanded McLame for his “reaching across the aisle” garbage.
I am not dissing Bobby. I like him. But Sarah is the best.
jencab on February 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM
It sounds to me that you want him to be something other then he is, which is a talk show host. He is the titan of media. He’s not a politician or the chairman of the fcc.
What he does, does accomplish “something” for our side. It gives people somewhere they can turn every single day for a shot in the arm. Keeps them informed and educates middle of the road voters about the fallacies of the other side.
Spirit of 1776 on February 25, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Just to confirm:
Using Hussein = Fear politics and racism.
Using Piyush = Progressive tolerance!
amerpundit on February 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM
While Allah may be right about Jindal “blowing an opportunity”, Rush’s point on Jindal’s substance attempts to explain how many sit by while conservative principals go down the drain. Allah and Ace aren’t the only one’s that need this reminder now and then.
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I’m with you Allah, I always hated the term conservative anyway and the GOP is useless.
Ann NY on February 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I must admit I voted for Huckabee in the Texas primary. He connected with people. I will also admit that I have seen things in him since that kind of makes me embarrassed to admit I did. We have to have to find someone who both has the conservative principles we want and the ability to connect with voters. (Sarah)
TXMomof3 on February 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Content.
That is what we should be listening for. What is said is much more important than how. I never saw Reagen as the ‘great communicator’ like most did. He inspired me by what he said, not any great oratory experience.
If we conservatives jump on this style-over-substance, American Idol bandwagon, then we deserve to lose over and over again.
If we deliver a message of sound principles that have broad appeal, we have a chance. Believe me after 4 years of fluff and BS, the American people will be willing to listen to clear, honest, and concise vision of American freedoms and values.
DrStock on February 25, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Sorry, but the left has ALWAYS controlled the schools, the majority of newspapers, the majority of magazines, the majority of broadcast news, long before Rush entered the scene.
But thanks to Rush, conservatives now have one outlet, talk radio. And I might add that Rush had a helping hand in establishing Fox News, as the dominant right-of-center cable news (google Roger Ailes & Rush Limbaugh). And we’re not that far behind on the internet either.
Norwegian on February 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
I love the high level of informed political discourse here at hotair.
My friend, Piyush is the subject of Rush’s desperate apologia.
benny shakar on February 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Even Gov. Bobby Jindal, whom I suppose I should note was the first Indian-American to give the Republican response to a president’s speech, began with an encomium to the first black president. (Wasn’t Bobby great in “Slumdog Millionaire”?)
SnarkVader on February 25, 2009 at 7:28 PM
For every hour on the air………
……… he does three in research and show preparation.
Why don’t you get a clue on what you are talking about…….
…….. before letting us all know what an idiot you truly are.
Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2009 at 7:29 PM
What did Ace do? All he did was call Jindal’s rebuttal “awful,” and then say Jindal reminds him of the Indian nerd pledges to the Deltas in National Lampoon’s Animal House. Drew M. awesomely awesomed the sentiment with an Apu reference from The Simpsons. Rush is overreacting.
Christien on February 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Yup.
klickink.wordpress.com on February 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Before you talk about another individual’s lack of intelligence, try to make sure you can write the site’s name correctly.
amerpundit on February 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
What Dr Stock said.
TXMomof3 on February 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
With regards to Nixon it was a close election, but consider who he ran against. Humphrey wasn’t exactly a barrel of laughs.
Hollowpoint on February 25, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Ooo, it’s gonna take a lot of dead cows to keep up with the demand for (mostly) black leather.
Stephen M on February 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM
benny shakar on February 25, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Speakin’ of hibernatin’ RDS’s, where ya been benny???
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I’m not a dittohead but Rush is right on here. Strangely enough, I overheard several of the lefties as work today discussing the SOTU, and they thought Jindal was impressive, go figure.
Even though some religious people can get on my nerves at times, most of them are cool, and in fact, are more interested in being left alone than pushing their beliefs on anyone else. Social cons aren’t the problem with the Republican party…
In fact libertarian hawks such as yourself have pushed a lot more people out of the Republican Party than Social Cons, whether you want to face that fact or not, my downstate friend. Newsflash: NYC ain’t the whole USA.
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/02/09/the-republicans-missing-keysto
Dreadnought on February 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM
You are right, I wanted him to be our Soros which considering the wealth of the GOP I cannot believe we do not have one STILL. He is the titan of only one form of media, and that media is a minor player in the grand scheme of things. Trust me, like so many others I was a fawning dittohead like so many others, but after so many years and seeing the results I find him to be irrelevant.
We need some truly nasty 527′s that fund viscious attacks, I want 24/7 paid investigators to expose all the dirty laundry on every leftist politician/reporter/comedian/actor out there and embarrass them into seclusion. Thought Rush would get pissed about his country being trashed to do something different besides selling club Gitmo shirts…I was very wrong.
ClassicCon on February 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I hope
benny shakar on Feb 25,2009 at 7:16PM.
benny shakar: I heard some idiot Lefty talking head say
that Obama was a ‘great communicator’!
In reference, know doubt to Ronald(SDI)
Reagan!
Hopey/Changey will never ever be Ronald
Reagan,or Margert Thatcher for that matter!
Obama has zero experience,he’s doesn’t even
have ‘girl guide’experience!
Btw,shouldn’t you be occupying someones
foreclosed home,retribution and redistrubution
of wealth,hope and change and all that?
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I read the blog all the time and have never posted before but I have to tell you that I get tired of reading Allahpundit bash every Conserative I like and admire. Allah is almost unreadable except for comic relief from all that is going on in this world. Who really cares about the delivery by Jindal last night. It was all about the message and that was the point. Allah, I think you should thank your Boss for giving you a job, better yet for keeping you when people like me read this sight in spite of you not because of you. I really think this sight could use another “true conservative” and not just a another fraud. Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.
nobama88 on February 25, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Rush is not one of my favorite people, but he has a point. Reagan might have been good at giving speeches, but if that is all he could do he would not be remembered today. I have heard that Lincoln was terrible at giving speeches. He was better at writing them. He had a high voice, with a twang. He was ugly and ungainly and no doubt in this day and age he would be considered a disaster. But he is also considered one of our greatest presidents.
I say Republicans need to take a break from attacking each other and support Republicans who are trying by and large to do the right thing. For a change.
Terrye on February 25, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Allah, as with Ace, are fair weather fans – never to be real players and could never withstand a coaching position. If you could get past your self righteousness for just one second you could see that Rush and Hannity and Steyn and Hewitt are looking long term, who are the successors of the current Republican lug nuts. If these young, and sometimes wet behind the ears, such as Jindal and Palin don’t start getting some national exposure introduction on the campaign trail in 2012 will be disastrous. They can use this time to build their skills, the risk now is far less. Have you ever worked in a business? – this is what smart businesses do with their young stars. Take some advise from Rush – go get a real job for a year and come back to blogging politics when you have a broader picture.
EyesOpen on February 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM
For Rush success can be had by appealing to a smaller percentage of voters than the GOP has to. Some criticizing the GOP are bothered by the Dems having a smooth talker who can market bad ideas in an appealing manner. Jindal offers some hope as a new face of the GOP. He’s got better ideas than Obama but he’s got to up the charisma quotient to sway voters.
dedalus on February 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM
If you’re comparing the rebuttal of an address to congress to the keynote speaker at a national political convention, you’re being intellectually dishonest, as well as completely delusional.
Dave From Canada on February 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM
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That is such self serving BS. If the GOP insists on having only Christians as members then it might as well close up shop. And good riddance too.
ronsfi on February 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM
So you’re not really angry at Rush. You just want a rich hack like Soros on the right.
Spirit of 1776 on February 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM
YOU are talking about ‘level of discourse’? YOU–one of the dumbest and most ignorant cliche-spouting trolls ever to infest these fertile threads?
You parrot talking points, moron: You don’t do ‘discourse’
Janos Hunyadi on February 25, 2009 at 7:37 PM
No idea.
Romney is eloquent enough, but not that outwardly likeable- I’m pretty sure he was born wearing a three piece suit.
Jindal should wait till 2016- he isn’t ready yet.
Jeb Bush would be a possibility if he wasn’t a Bush, but it is and so he’s out.
I don’t think Palin is ready yet, even though I wish she was.
Hollowpoint on February 25, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Rush can screw himself as far as I’m concerned. He’s more of a reason why we’re in the minority right now than most of the Republicans in the house and senate. Aesthetic things won’t solve all of our problems, as the aesthetics are reliant on representing actual substance (which is very difficult with people like Rush around),but this is dammit this is politics!
For one, I think a guy who has made millions on demagoguery who played a huge role in sucking out all of the substance from behind the Republican public facade not only trying to defend a guy saying almost nothing demonstrating the rhetorical style of a kindergarten play, but actually trying to state such a position as being an issue of Republican orthodoxy is significantly more than a little hypocritical. What we needed from Bobby Jindal to have him come out and say that the reality is that what Obama is suggesting is almost identical to what happened under Bush that got us into this mess in the first place. We needed him to point to the specific things wrong with what Obama’s trying to do instead of the tired “Shucks, y’all don’t like the government now, do ya” bit, and he needed to explain how this is what got us here without trying to excuse the role Republicans played in getting us here. That would shift the damn paradigm.
The Democrat elite care about Republicans going against what they did under Bush, the American people won’t, at least not for long. The Democrats desperately want us to keep going in the direction we’ve been going in because that’s the only way people that incompetent and idiotic can get into and remain in power. The Republicans who played a significant role in shaping this direction desperately don’t want us to change direction because they know that’ll involve calling them out for the cheap hacks that they are. In order to prevent this, they’ve shown they’re willing to use the whole orthodoxy thing to keep it from coming.
Rush wants his boy in power. I like Jindal and I can understand the urge to kiss the ring, I don’t fault him for that. What I fault him for is that he’s always so damn forgiving in his acknowledgements that Republicans have screwed up. That’s why Rush likes him, and that’s why the people who’re skeptical of us won’t buy it. Republicans screwed up, and it was largely because of a complete lack of spine and flagrant corruption. They didn’t have the spine to challenge the noisiest parts of the base on even the most obvious things. We became the party where half the presidential candidates said they didn’t believe in evolution, which is like saying you don’t believe in gravity, the party that prefers throwing out embyos instead of using them to save lives but never thought that if the death of these children were honestly such a big concern maybe they should try to get rid of the practice of creating thousands of children only to be thrown away, especially while we still have kids in foster care. We were the party that opposed overturning sodomy laws, the party that gave away billions upon billions in corporate handouts while cutting taxes with absolutely no regard for the deficit (as that would mean cutting spending, which involves telling people “No” sometimes). And we have been losing election after election because most of America sees us this way and the ones at fault don’t want to admit the obvious.
Rush is RINO of the worst degree because he has repeatedly demonstrated the willingness to sacrifice the party to save himself from being seen as the garbage demagogue he is.
galenrox on February 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Oh I am angry at Rush, it is all an act.
You may consider Soros a hack, but his people run things from top to bottom now. Can Rush say the same?
ClassicCon on February 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Rush is right on this one…You guys are unrealistic…Jindal has once speech and you are ready to throw him to the lions. Get a life or change parties.
tomas on February 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Sorry, Rush, but Jindal was bad last night. He was like the young understudy who gets his big break by going on for the star. He walked out on the stage full of confidence but tripped and fell flat on his face. Jindal lost me at his opening paragraph where he slobbered all over Obambi. The rest of the speech sounded like a bad infomercial.
Sad to say, but rhetorical skills are important in this day and age. Rush of all people should know this. If conservatives are ever going to get pack into power they need a communicator who can articulate a coherent message and get people excited. So far, Bobby Jindal doesn’t seem to fit the bill.
Percy_Peabody on February 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Yeah, and Nixon gets props for his Laugh-In “Sock it me” appearance in 1968. I was thinking more of 1972 and McGovern–full of the wrong ideas but a nice-enough guy.
dedalus on February 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
That is the whole point. But that point seems lost on those who revel in backshooting those on the front line.
MoCoM on February 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
No, thankfully.
Spirit of 1776 on February 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Piyush = Jindal’s middle name
Benny shakar= moby obot
adagioforstrings on February 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Jindal had a sufficient charisma quotient to sway Louisiana voters, who are reknowned for prizing it highly. Oh, and there was a major catastrophe mishandled by the local and state Dem leaders. Perhaps the U.S. isn’t facing a sufficiently big enough crisis yet for the voters to be swayed?
Christien on February 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM
You’re wrong, Allah, and Rush is right.
If we can’t move beyond this obsession with style over substance it will be the end of all of us.
If the substance of what he said sucked, then he sucked. If the substance of what he said didn’t suck, then he didn’t suck. When people like you fixate on superficial garbage it makes those of us who are yearning for an intelligent, knowledgeable leader with integrity puke.
He will learn to speak better, and stage things better. But your “Selling of the President” fixation is going to be the ruination of this country. Next you’ll be recommending we vote based on how cool a candidate’s Facebook page is. Come on. Grow up.
ILB on February 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Meh. Rush is allowed to blow off some steam.
Jindal needed some constructive criticism, and getting across the idea that Jindal should stop acting as if the Precedent is a decent person who is looking to make America better (which are quite the opposite of what the idiot messiah is and what he wants for our country) is important. It is part and parcel of the whole problem. This is not about style, but about substance, and some of the deepest and most important substance there is in the chasm between conservatives and the America-hating moron in the White House and his gang of lunatics in Congress.
This message is not just for Jindal, but everybody in the GOP who thinks that playing nice with the snakes is a good idea. The Precedent takes every opportunity – every single opportunity – to bad mouth conservatives, and we are sick of the response to this being a smile and a thank you and an attempt to portray the left as decent, honest people. THEY ARE NOT!! They are scum, and lying scum, at that. Just imagine if any conservative had claimed that autos were invented in the US, let alone made such a totally moronic statement in an address to Congress. It is time to call the dems and the left what they are – America-hating morons who are actively working to destroy this country and everything it was based on.
progressoverpeace on February 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM
Jindal:
Great in interviews, not so good at speechmaking.
Palin:
Great in speechmaking, not so good in interviews.
jgapinoy on February 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM
If Republicans would go after Democrats with the same fervor as they go after each other, then Obama wouldn’t be president.
haikusrock on February 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM
” If the GOP insists on having only Christians as members then it might as well close up shop.”
Because there are so few Christians in America. Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t hold this view — I don’t care what anyone’s religion is — but this statement is, um, silly.
From the CIA World fact book:
“Protestant 51.3%, Roman Catholic 23.9%, Mormon 1.7%, other Christian 1.6%”
That’d be about 78.5% of the population. That’s a pretty big pool to draw from.
notropis on February 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Not to offend any atheists on the board, but I have never seen something that says only rich, white, Christian men need apply. Conservative values should be shared by all, crossing all economic or racial spectrums. Like I ask my kids, “Do you need me to send you a gilded invitation?”
TXMomof3 on February 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM
Not to worry. Things will get worse.
dedalus on February 25, 2009 at 7:42 PM
I think many of you are confusing people’s displeasure with Jindal’s performance with attacks on the man himself. We are amazed that the people behind the scenes in the GOP are still this imcompetant after what we just went through. I don’t blame Jindal, I blame the GOP. Either get some smart clever people in there or higher an outside PR firm to promote this guy.
ClassicCon on February 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM
dedalus on February 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM
I believe you’re not looking at the bigger picture, and Jindal’s just a part of it.
READ EyesOpen on February 25, 2009 at 7:35 PM (the post right above yours.)
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM
As someone who listened almost every day during the primaries, let me bring you up to speed, since it was obviously over your head: He was trying to help prevent John McCain or Mike Huckabee from being the nominee.
McCain only came close because of selecting Palin. Think not? Face facts: McModerate would have collapsed eventually of his own mushiness, and without Sarah, who would have rallied the troops and brought him to within 6% of Obama? Pawlenty? Lieberman, his likely first choice? It is to laugh.
IMHO, if not for Mike Huckabee taking thinly-veiled he’s-not-Christian-enough-for-America swipes at Romney, Mitt would be President today. I’m not sure if that would be a good thing (he AND Hillary have proven Euro-Canadian universal care can’t work in America), but at least we could be sure we would recognize the place if we fell into a three-year coma tomorrow.
L.N. Smithee on February 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Add religious
TXMomof3 on February 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Obama’s “charisma” is an affectation. His negative pontifications about the economy and so much else will negate his “charisma” very soon.
BottomLine5 on February 25, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Enjoy your tax hike…
ClassicCon on February 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM
dedalus,
Not to worry. Jindal will get better.
Christien on February 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM
We’re smarter than the vice president.
jgapinoy on February 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM
“because, folks, style is not going to take our country back” Actually the Democrats and President Obama to take over the country, so he is wrong in this assessment.
JeffinSac on February 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM
Hey Benny, did you know America invented the car? It’s true, if you want I can send you the website number.
ClassicCon on February 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM
progressoverpeace on February 25, 2009 at 7:41 PM
+1
What PoP said! Take the gloves off, or get the hell out of the ring.
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Is there any part of the Democrat Party platform you aren’t in lock step with?
Buddahpundit on February 25, 2009 at 7:49 PM
For a change.
Terrye on Feb 25,2009 at 7:34PM.
Terrye: You are right,the infighting has to end!
However,its awfully difficult,when the Liberals are ramming
every issue down the throats of Republicans,and threatening
to silence the’Right’,through the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ crap!
I think its been a plan all along,the Liberals have pitted
playing American against American,for their own political
gain,and its sickening!!:)
—————————————
The Getting Out of the Wilderness Map
for the Republicans Party!
1. The Vision of the Party.
2.Who is going to Lead.
3.Like Newts ‘Contract for America’,
a ‘Contract for the Conservative Movement’!
4.To purge or not to purge?
5.Time Table via,goals!
Anybody,who has ‘hands on’,and futher Ideas,chime in?:)
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 7:49 PM
I wonder if Soros is going to get any poorer with all these trillions flying around ever week.
neuquenguy on February 25, 2009 at 7:50 PM
It’s not style over substance, it’s style and substance.
What is said is far less important than how; given how recently Obama won, that should be obvious. For all the admiration for Obama’s speaking style, how many people could remember what he actually said after a day had passed?
GWB won two close elections thanks to opposing candidates that were boring and/or not very likeable. How many people would go out of their way to have a few beers with John Kerry???
Clinton beat HWB- again, scored better in the charisma and likeability department than HW Bush.
HWB beat Dukkakis, another unlikeable buffoon.
Reagan won easily, as he was both charismatic and likeable.
Carter employed much of the same hopey/changey style that Obama more recently used, and ran against Ford, who provided late night comics enough material for decades.
And so on, and so on. To pretend that substance trumps style is to ignore both history and reality.
Hollowpoint on February 25, 2009 at 7:50 PM
The Dems are in a bad predicament.
They rise and fall with the Obama brand. They were not elected on their ideology.
When Obama is a failure – they fail.
Let’s talk about Obama. Or, alternately, be quiet for a while, while they destroy themselves. (This is Palin’s strategy now)
faraway on February 25, 2009 at 7:51 PM
I’ve got to admit that I am dumbfounded at the utter shallowness of some of the comments I’ve read here. People decry our “esteemed” President because he is all style and no substance, but when someone speaks conservative values with, a so called, lack of style they want to toss him out with the trash. We have about 2 years for our side to hone their skills and learn to articulate their core beliefs. Let’s at least give our folks the better part of a year before we toss them under, what we hope will be, the juggernaut.
I listened to Rush today and he made a great point. It’s the Washington entrenched establishment that was the loudest in trashing Jindal. Weren’t these the same people that, to a large extent, were pushing for McLame?
I for one do not listen to pundits, even ones with the first name of “Allah”. Conservatives think for themselves. I will listen to other points of view, but not to take as gospel. I am searching for truth, not snarky perspective.
I want to take back this country from the socialists and facists that now occupy the seats of power. This will not happen if we crucify the new and possibly electable conservatives.
lindensg on February 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Sitting in your basement drinking Newcastle is not “starting a third party”. Although if you actually did it, I’d be there.
malan89 on February 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Naturally, nothing says “I’m informed” like knowing the middle names of famous people. Call us when you’ve got an argument deeper than the average birdbath.
TheUnrepentantGeek on February 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Please. Critism is vital for a party. If Reps go back to group think like there was during the early W. years, they’ll be in the political desert for several more years.
dcwvu on February 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM
IF ANYBODY ON THIS SITE THINKS RUSH IS OLD NEWS A WINDBAG OUT OF TOUCH NOT A REAL CONSEV. THEN GO START YOUR OWN RADIO SHOW OR RUN FOR OFFICE. DO SOMETHING AND SHOW ALL OF US HOW SMART YOU ARE. IF YOU ARE AS SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME HERE. GO AHEAD MONEY AND FAME ARE WAITING.
thmcbb on February 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I understand the sports analogy with allowing rookies to develop. That point can be made without calling for a loyalty check.
Rush can also downplay the staging that always comes with the opposition response–the President has a hall full of high-fiving congressmen while Jindal appears to have no one even listening. Massive applause helps a mediocre phrase sound more profound.
Rush and Jindal should shrug it off. No one will remember in a week. It was a less prominent flop than Bill Clinton in 1988 at the Dem national convention. He recovered.
dedalus on February 25, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I don’t think this is that important. It is 2009. Remember the first nationally televised speech Bill Clinton made. He was a laughingstock. He went on and on and on until they had to get the hook. Many predicted his career was over.
We conservatives need to not be warring among ourselves.
Jindal did well on this morning’s television interview.
http://speakdogspeak.blogspot.com/2009/02/some-helpful-advice.html
And Helen Thomas will be a
badmemory when Bobby Jindal is doing something big and important. If not president, something else.http://www.sarah-palin-2012.blogspot.com
History Chaser on February 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Good luck with the hawkish part.
But a third party is needed–or a reworked Republican Party, which is what Rush refers to in my opinion. And yes, that means marginalizing the fence sitters and snarky pundits.
But the problem I see for Libertarians is they are more critic than doer. Life looks pretty darn simple while perched on the fence. You can’t always vote Present if you want to lead a Party.
A few points:
1. Atheists get their you-know-whats in a twist when their atheism is questioned in much the same way religious fundamentalists do. Things that make you go ‘hmm’…the victim routine inevitably follows.
And how does this topic relate to the oppression of Atheists? It doesn’t. It’s more the usual “I’m a victim” routine. But when you go to a Chinese Buffet, don’t expect to get a Hamburger.
2. I think Rush is correct here. But why he is correct was conveniently overlooked.
3. Why was he correct? Rush speaks to the increasingly large and loud crowd of pseudo-conservative/libertarians who think self-abasement and snarky/snide commentary is the height of achievement.
4. In the long run (and the important run) substance matters over style. However, too many people are too focused on popularity. So they take the role of Sophist, of Populist, or most deplorably, of the Victim.
5. What Rush outlined is an uphill battle. One reliant on proper education and the application of facts, reason and logic to a problem.
And I do agree that Jindal’s delivery is not polished enough–at least the few times I’ve seen him talk. I hope we can keep focused on the substance while he works on that–instead of what happened during the Primaries this year.
I won’t hold my breath. MTV FTW.
Montana on February 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
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I’m not seeing how your stats address my statement whatsoever. Yes there are lot’s of Christians in the USA. What that has to do with this push for Fundie Orthodoxy in the party, to the exclusion of it’s secular traditions, evades me.
ronsfi on February 25, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I’ll take Piyush over Hissein
runner on February 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM
or Hussein
runner on February 25, 2009 at 7:54 PM
This is incredible.
Here you have a decent candidate and the GOP cannot decide if:
1. They should back him or Palin.
2. New ideas, style, or record is more important for someone.
3. they will solidify around a person or each go off on a tangent.
It is CLEAR why you are losing, both in power and in public relations. You have no fresh ideas.
Translate fiscal conservatism into REAL WORLD policies.
Simply shouting “Porkulus”, “Tax Cuts”, and “Obamamania” will get you nowhere and the response to Jindal’s speech shows that.
ckoeber on February 25, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Unless it wants to be lost in the wilderness for decades, the GOP has to learn how to win over the moderate and independent voters.
Tinian on February 25, 2009 at 7:55 PM
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