House passes $410 billion spending bill as Obama prepares $634 billion health care fund
posted at 5:03 pm on February 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
The health-care money would be provided over 10 years, so, you know, no worries. Granted, they don’t have an actual plan on how to spend it yet — but then they don’t have an economic plan yet either.
Obama would pay for the expansion by trimming tax breaks for the wealthy and tightening payments to insurers, hospitals and physicians, according to a senior administration official.
By first identifying a large pot of money to underwrite health care reform — before laying out a proposal on who would be covered or how — Obama hopes to signal his willingness to negotiate with Congress over the details of an eventual plan.
“We wanted to get this process going by putting some serious resources on the table,” said the official, who was not permitted to speak on the record until formal release of the budget blueprint. “This is a reserve fund, instead of a 700-page plan. We learned the lessons of the past and want to work interactively with Congress. This is a first step.”
This won’t pay for the whole thing, in other words. It’s a down payment, with the balance to be paid by the permanent tax increases on the middle class that are coming, as the NYT reminds us in a moment of amazing candor today. How much will that balance be, allowing for the inevitable cost overruns? Only The One, in his supreme wisdom, knows. As for the spending bill that passed the House this afternoon, there are literally almost 9,000 earmarks in it — and it still drew more than a dozen GOP votes. It’s an amazing testament to the confidence Obama and the Democrats have in their popularity right now that they’re willing to hit the public with another trillion in future spending so soon after dropping $800 billion on the stimulus and with another round of TARP on the way. Exit question: How much will that “down payment” end up ballooning to? $2 trillion? $3 trillion?
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I guess he’s following the Cuban model. That worked out so well!
PattyJ on February 25, 2009 at 5:48 PM
And how true that’ll be…
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM
A trillion here with no plan….
…and a trillion there with no plan…
…and pretty soon you are talking about real money and still no plan …
…but who needs a plan? Just spend a trillion a week and pretty soon the Chinese will be parking their money somewhere else and asking us to cash in the treasury securities they do hold…
…and we get to pay them back in deeply depreciated dollars! What could be a better deal?
What could possibly go wrong?
ElRonaldo on February 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Does it matter anymore?
Darth Executor on February 25, 2009 at 5:49 PM
I think Obama stays in shape by talking out his butt and both sides of his mouth at the same time…
beatcanvas on February 25, 2009 at 5:50 PM
Now, now…
We must have a collapse if we even hope to have global currency and global governance….
PrincipledPilgrim on February 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM
This is off topic but pretty funny- the front page of “The Globe” has a screaming headline of “Obama’s gay sex scandal- Michelle is heartbroken” Should we call him Homobama?
anniekc on February 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM
How many Presidents are in the Guiness book?
This has got to be some kind of record for most money spent in the shortest amount of time.
Richard Pryor had 30 days to spend $30 million dollars and barely made it.
Obama has spent, what, at least 2 trillion dollars in less than two weeks?
Wait till next week and he’ll break his own record!
catmman on February 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM
Does anyone know who the 12 or 14 Rinos that voted for this are?
thmcbb on February 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
Did anyone read the comments to the NY Times piece about taxes going up that Allah linked to above? Wow, the comments prove my point exactly – almost every one of them is FOR more taxes to pay for government programs. You’ve got to read the comments to believe them.
KickandSwimMom on February 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
First he got $350 Billion. Then $787 Billion. Now $410 Billion. Whatever Obama has planned, it sure is expensive.
SoulGlo on February 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM
The people seem to really want to try the socialist way – as much as it pains me to say that . . .
KickandSwimMom on February 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Who cares whether or not there’s a “plan”, since the “plan” is probably some 4 slide PowerPoint presentation with 10 bullets, put together by some 22 year old staffer.
All Democrats are worthless idiots and there is nothing that comes out of their mouths that is of any value to anyone.
NoDonkey on February 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM
They don’t think they’re “bankrupting” the country. They think there is an unlimited amount of money they can extract, without affecting the behavior of businesses or citizens in the slightest. It’s called “static analysis,” and it’s a religious belief to liberals. For example, if ABC Company makes $100 million per year in profits, you can tax ABC Company up to $99,999,99.99 without affecting their behavior. Likewise, a $6 trillion economy equals $6 trillion in potential tax receipts. A 10% hike in tax rates brings 10% more money into the treasury.
Liberals also do not believe in the law of unintended consequences, and are baffled when a new luxury tax on expensive yachts puts thousands of middle-class people out of work, because the industry collapses. They will be equally confused when “universal college education” renders college educations even more worthless than they already are, or “universal health care” produces more dead people.
When this is all over – and, thanks to Obama, the present American system will be in a terminal crisis within ten years – the first order of business must be to reconstitute the government with strict rules setting caps on tax rates and government spending, effectively outlawing socialsim. There will always be a voting constituency eager to hear socialist promises, and politicians willing to make them, even when they reach Obama-esque heights of absurdity. The only way to guarantee the success of a free-market democracy is to rule this kind of nonsense off the table, before the discussion even begins. My preferred method of doing this is extending the vote only to those who pay taxes, requiring all tax revenue to be spent within the year after it is collected (no ten-year utopian schemes) and outlawing deficit spending except for military emergencies. None of these things is thinkable right now, but the terms of the discussion will be different after the crash.
Doctor Zero on February 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM
You know what that means…rationing care..King Obama is going to decide who gets to live and who gets to die
AmericanUnderground on February 25, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Just as an aside, this is the same McGovern whose emails were on the FARC hard drive captured by Columbia…
Vashta.Nerada on February 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Yawn.
VolMagic on February 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Roger that.
Addendum: I’m not sure that our Republican leaders have the stones or the wherewithal to actively oppose this, as Newt did in ’94. I see flashes of hope, like Flake and DeMint, but it seems like no one is listening to them.
Flyover Country on February 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
Next time someone mentions how much G.W. Bush spent over 8 years, I’m going to slap them right across the face.
Conservative_SAHM on February 25, 2009 at 5:54 PM
talk about being underwater on a mortgage….will he bail himself out
middleoftheroad on February 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Hey, wasn’t there some sort of FCCCR panel in that stimulus bill that let the government decide who gets treatment and who doesn’t?
Why yes. Yes there was.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Remember all… This is helping Michelle’s Children.
**Eye roll**
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Hey, have you guys seen this? http://www.whatobamameanstome.com
Pure comedy gold.
Laura on February 25, 2009 at 5:58 PM
“trimming tax breaks for the wealthy” = raising taxes on job/wealth producers (which results in fewer jobs, less wealth, and ultimately fewer wealthy to tax, as they flee for jurisdictions with lower tax burdens)
Naturally. When you’re on the receiving end of the government giveaways financed by other peoples’ taxes, you always want taxes to go up.
AZCoyote on February 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
a sample –
What Obama means to Cris Albama, USA – 25 Feb 2009 Obama taught that with the right logo and marketing campaign I can have anything I want.
Laura on February 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM
Obama’s an ideological fool and I would not be surprised if his presidency does wind up having something in common with Lincoln – a civil war.
dugan on February 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
This health care plan makes me sick.
ornery_independent on February 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Copied from MichelleMalkin.com:
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/25/house-roll-call-vote-245-178-another-410-billion-down-the-drain/
Fun fact: There were more Democrats who voted against omni-pork than Republicans who voted for it.
15 Pro-pork Republicans who voted for it:
Bono Mack
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Cao
Capito
Castle
Emerson
Gerlach
LoBiondo
McHugh
Miller (MI)
Murphy, Tim
Reichert
Upton
Whitfield
Young (AK)
19 Democrats who voted against it:
Bean
Childers
Cooper
Costa
Donnelly (IN)
Driehaus
Giffords
Hill
Kind
Kratovil
Marshall
Matheson
Minnick
Mitchell
Nye
Peterson
Speier
Tanner
Taylor
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2009 at 6:00 PM
You can reliably triple any number given on health care.
LBJ promised that Medicare would never cost more than $20 billion.
rockmom on February 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Billions for the Dems is pocket change.
neuquenguy on February 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM
This of course means, “Hospitpals and physicians must continue to treat people with Medicaid or be shut down, AND we’re now going to pay you much less money to treat them…so you’ll eventually have to shut down.”
I assume it’s so that the government can completely take over the healthcare system.
I, for one, am looking forward to my health care being as efficient as the Post Office, as compassionate as the IRS and as easily accessable as the DMV.
/sob
DrAllecon on February 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Don Young isn’t going to vote against a bill with 9,000 earmarks. No way. This is like Christmas in February to him.
Mark1971 on February 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM
Over 9000 earmarks in this bill…..I give up!
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Exit question:
I heard a figure to straighten out the banks,
was about,
50 Trillion dollars!
I might of heard wrong!
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
It will be the media’s fault. They create, nourish, and sustain him. There will never be a free press again, nor one with constitutional guarantees. That’s because it didn’t work to police government and help ensure liberty as was intended. So many things are gone, although we talk about them as if they’re still here.
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2009 at 6:06 PM
Why are they trying to nationalize health care when they have seen that it does not work in every country it is tried?
All of these traitorous idiots are trying to make America just another Third World country in order to achieve their goal of globalization. All it takes is OUR money…a lot of it.
kingsjester on February 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Keep in mind this bill only covers March thru September and excludes defense spending.
JeffVader on February 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
another reason he won’t be coming back next time around.. Young that is.
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 6:07 PM
Flippin sucks when your congressional seat flips from R to D and your new Rep is voting for all this spending.
WashJeff on February 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM
Could be worse. I’ve never had a Rep. representative or Senator.
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2009 at 6:09 PM
How about this gem:
We would all live in caves if it was not for the government? Am I missing something?
Joe Caps on February 25, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Start finding a blackmarket doctor who will working for cash, kinda like doctors who work for drug dealers. Pretty soon dentists and all other healthcare providers will drop off the radar screen. I am pretty sure some are setting up shops in Mexico and getting protection from drug dealers in exchange for medical care. That is what will happen – medical care run by organized crime.
Akin to prohibition – look how that worked out.
It will take the next President to set-up a task force to dismantle all this crap.
Because that is what it is – C.R.A.P. – Constant Rape And Plunder
izoneguy on February 25, 2009 at 6:09 PM
Because of what the liberals are doing – We will all end up in caves.
izoneguy on February 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Giffords is the congresswoman for my district. If she voted against it, it’s only because it didn’t contain enough spending to suit her. She voted against the “stimulus” on the first round too — for the same reason: she wanted more taxpayer money to be used to pay down deadbeats’ car loans, student loans, credit card bills, etc. She’s an idiot.
AZCoyote on February 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
I was a pessimist on obama but it is sooooo worse than I thought.
Personally, I put most of this on pelosi…the former official socialist democrat party member.
jukin on February 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
I appreciate the job that Bush and the GOP of this decade did in keeping us safe, but the precedence of the deficits that they ran up in his first six year (with some Dem help, I’m sure) is killing us now.
Democrats seem to have absolutely no impulse control. This spending is unbelievable, and those POS GOPers and GOP earmark recipients ought to be flogged.
The worst part of the Bush legacy is Obama.
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
I don’t think I can take 47 more months of this.
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Me neither i’ve never smoked so much in my life.
heshtesh on February 25, 2009 at 6:12 PM
Fuck Obama and Chuck Schumer.
I’m a member of the chattering classes, and I’ve had enough.
BuckeyeSam on February 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
We should have worked harder on Operation Chaos. A Hillary presidency is looking pretty good right now.
neuquenguy on February 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM
The good news about living in caves is that we’ll finally capture Bin Laden.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on February 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
…in the middle of winter in Alaska.
upinak on Feb 25,2009 at 5:47PM.
upinak: I feel your pain,(kidding you!)we recieved another
4″inches of snow today!!
How are you,and the ‘Great State of Alaska’doing!
Haha:)
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Must be a lot of caves in Cali!
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Are you going to stop chattering? :0)
neuquenguy on February 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Hopefully before Aug 2010!
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 6:15 PM
How much you wanna bet sweet Shannon is “specially” in favor of the “very rich” paying more taxes because she’s conveniently not one of the “very rich”?
AZCoyote on February 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Must be a lot of caves in Cali!
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Nope. Sheebe says there are a lot of old hippies in some parts out there. They just look like cave dwellers.
kingsjester on February 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM
If I say that the cold hands of Communistic regime seems to be coming ever so much close via icey hands and hearts to our beloved State off the Bering Sea. Would that make sense?
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM
Must be related to the arctic ice cave hippie, I presume.
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Repeal 16 & 17, install term limits and the fair tax. It is the only hope we have. Any ideas as how to accomplish this?
Bear Grass on February 25, 2009 at 6:21 PM
Now you two stop it! As a NorCal resident my entire life, we’re not all hippies and cave dwellers. (although many of the “growers” have gone underground):)
There are still conservatives across this state, even if the government has gone to pot.
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 6:24 PM
Back in September and October, when I would talk to people, I started sounding like a crazy person, resorting to hyperbole about sending Obama to the White House with a Democrat controlled Congress.
I would come up with the most outlandish possible things that would happen. I seriously should have been medicated for the crazy talk.
As it turns out, I was totally underestimating them.
myrenovations on February 25, 2009 at 6:26 PM
Well, let’s see, what kind we do tomorrow that will help send our kids to debtors’ prison?
d1carter on February 25, 2009 at 6:29 PM
Do they want to pay for me to breed? Or, is there a “no conservatives” clause?
I can’t find any health care with womb coverage. The hazards of being unpoor, I suppose.
tuffy on February 25, 2009 at 6:30 PM
No, Hillary is a member of the Shadow Party also. A Soros crony willing to go down the same path of the commies.
Kevin in Washington State on February 25, 2009 at 6:30 PM
I don’t know about any of you, but I’m buying stock in the company that makes green ink.
darwin-t on February 25, 2009 at 6:33 PM
I am sure glad my kids have jobs.
tarpon on February 25, 2009 at 6:36 PM
This.
Rae on February 25, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Would that make sense?
upinak on Feb 25,2009 at 6:16PM.
upinak:Umm ya,Obama is embarking on a “New Cold War”,
on Republican Conservatives’,and on the
American taxpayers!!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 6:40 PM
Everyone around here is out of 9 mm, but I have found a couple of cases of 45 ACP’s. There are no 357′s here, but I have seen some 38′s and 44 specials. Slim pickens.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 6:40 PM
So far while in office BO has spent about 36 billion dollars a day. What’s another couple billion. I don’t hear any of the dems screaming that we are wasting money and spending money we don’t have. They were only saying this because Bush was in office.
If the Senate pushes this bill through it will be over unless we can take over in 2010. The damage will be done. I don’t see us ever recovering from the amount of debt that the taxpayers have been asked to take on. No amount of cuts or tax increase will cover this. It’s only getting worse.
The one has many down payments for all of his programs. We all know that these programs will need more money. It’s going to be like public education lets throw money at it til it works. How sad.
Brat4life on February 25, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Communism 101.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 6:42 PM
Just read an article about the Defense Department being required to sign non-disclosure statements regarding the FY 2010 defense budget. What is the “one” trying to hide from us?
We got change alright: transparent to opaque in 33 days. As to over a half trillion dollars for socialized medicine 52% voted for this &*%#$ and now they are going to have to pay the piper. It surprises me how many people still believe in Alchemy including the educated elite from Ivy League schools. You can’t change lead into gold through chemical processes and you can’t create wealth out of nothing from money transfers. Alchemists all of them. This is putting real science back into decision making. I guess I should turn in my science degrees as they apparently taught me poorly.
chemman on February 25, 2009 at 6:43 PM
He is a radical tax and spender. There’s some basic economic reality for you, NYT.
smellthecoffee on February 25, 2009 at 6:43 PM
Can anybody recommend a versatile, easy-to-maintain gun for a newbie survivalist / freedom fighter? Just in case, I mean.
joe_doufu on February 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM
Let’s hope not.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Anybody else think this may be a bad sign?
Xiphos on February 25, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Glock 45
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Thanks brother.
joe_doufu on February 25, 2009 at 6:49 PM
I see him standing in the rain
Raindrops falling on him
He doesn’t even seem to care
He stands there and smiles as if just at me
And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Money everywhere
I love the Money Man
Oh, I don´t know just why
His Hope and Change simply catches my eye
I love the Money Man
He seems so generous and kind
He sweeps thoughts of $$$ into my mind
I know I have to say bravo
(bravo, bravo)
He smiles over at me
It’s as if he takes me by the hand
And we walk
To the bank alone
And I know
(I know, I know, I know, I know)
He will make me rich and happy
(rich, rich, happy, happy).
Money in his hair
Money everywhere
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 6:51 PM
Okay, how about a versatile, easy-to-maintain gun for someone who has never owned one before and is somewhat inexpensive?
myrenovations on February 25, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I’ll soon take all my troubles over to Obama Rue
You know The One with the never ending Hope and Change shtick
He’s got a pad down on Pennsylvania avenue
He’ll be passin’ out little bottles of Obama Potion Number Nine
I’ll tell him that I’m having trouble with my mortgage payments
It’s gotten even worse in these last few weeks
He’ll kiss me on the cheek and he’ll made a magic sign
He’ll say “What you need is Obama Potion Number Nine”
He’ll turn around and gave me a wink
He’ll say “I’m gonna have my Michelle make it up right here in the White House sink”
It’ll smell like Chicago, it’ll look like socialist ink
I’ll hold my nose, I’ll close my eyes, I’ll take a drink
I won’t know if it is day or night
I’ll start grabbin’ everyone else’s money that is in sight
But when there’s nothin’ left to grab
It’ll break my little bottle of Obama Potion Number Nine
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Glock is a great gun but personally I prefer the Springfield XD series. I own both and XD 9mm compact and an XD 9mm subcompact and love the way the feel, fire and carry. But of course it’s a matter of preference. You should see how they feel and fire then make your choice.
Good luck.
rplat on February 25, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Before or after we switch to the new Obama coin of the realm?
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM
Boy are people ever going to be pissed when the sober up and see what they woke up with.
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 7:00 PM
anyone ever been to a VA hospital? if you get a chance, go, take a nice, long look around. that’s the US health care system in 10 yrs if this sh!t doesn’t stop.
every day that goes by, i think to myself….”this can’t be happening”
this guy is raping our country. i truly think he’s the antichrist.
sandlin71 on February 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM
It will certainly make you patient.
There has to be some good business opportunity somewhere in there catering to people in long lines.
neuquenguy on February 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM
True as always.
I think something much more sinister is going on here. There is an obvious plan to steamroll the opposition and country as soon and as fast as possible. No debate, no discussion, and if they can turn Collins it will be filibuster proof.
The plan is to spend and radicalize the country with socialized programs under the guise of ‘emergency necessity’ with the view that 2010 will come too late and programs will not be undone. There is too much prepared over a long period with the purpose of nationalizing the banks, healthcare, critical industries, and program ‘czars’ to pre-empt cabinet appointees. The key is expedited legislation with majorities in both houses. No advise and consent, blur and deception, delay and consolidate.
The party and citizenry better jolt to attention quick.
Starlink on February 25, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Obama is in a spending hurry to get this all in before any one has a real chance to complain loudly. He obviously has no clue as to how he is actually going to spend it. Once the spending authorization is in place, he can do whatever he wants. He has paid off all the lobbyists and those who got him elected in the ‘stimulus’ bill. When taxes are raised later to pay for everything and the complaints start coming in, he can ‘crack down’ on the troublemakers. Opposition will be kicked off of Air Force One, press conferences, and photo ops. If that doesn’t work, then the FCC and congress will move in.
jerseyman on February 25, 2009 at 7:08 PM
OT. Good news. A major drug bust on a Mexican cartel and Holder uses the opportunity to promote another assault weapons ban.
a capella on February 25, 2009 at 7:08 PM
Oops. A link.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29389404
a capella on February 25, 2009 at 7:09 PM
If I had told you before the election that Obama would give a speech on fiscal responsibility then ask for over trillion in new spending the next day 2 weeks after $800 billion in spending with a bill no one read you would have laughed at me.
Chuck Schick on February 25, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Everyone around here is out of 9 mm, but I have found a couple of cases of 45 ACP’s. There are no 357’s here, but I have seen some 38’s and 44 specials. Slim pickens.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 6:40 PM
And when the ammo runs out remember a well shot arrow is recycled to drive the environmentalist crazy.
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I have never in all my long years witnessed such a bold faced liar as Obama, he stood up there last night and said he would go line by line on this budget to make sure there was no wastful spending in it. HELLO!!!! it’s all wasteful spending. Never liked him from the first time I saw him, reeks dishonesty. I guess the only thing that can save this great country is another civil war and God’s blessing. So sad:(
concernedsenior on February 25, 2009 at 7:13 PM
It is like the money is not even real to them.
I think that some people say they are willing to pay more taxes, but what that usually means is that they are ready for someone else to pay more taxes. That and liberals assume that once these taxes are paid, health care will be free so they will come out ahead. The morons.
Terrye on February 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
It’s Wed. so today the Prez must be pretending to be Reagan. I’m just waiting for the flannel shirt and boots.
Lemme know when James Buchanan gets added to the rotation.
moxie_neanderthal on February 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Hey, anyone want to invest years of time in Med School and internships, and gazillions in personal education dollars to become a doctor? It’s almost as rewarding a career as being a community organizer! We’re sure to attract nothing but the best, right?
Buy Danish on February 25, 2009 at 7:32 PM
How in the hell can he spend like this and then the next week say he is going to cut the deficit???? What in the hell is wrong with this country that anyone would actually buy this???
It is amazing and scary as hell to me that everyone is willing to give him a chance to be fair??????????????? What??? Have we collectively lost our flipping minds???? Then he wants more money just in a bank to show good faith about health care???
I seriously am starting to doubt people’s sanity.
momof2 on February 25, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Id like to know when the hell the government is going to start sacrificing?
I dont see Nancy or Diane Feinstein flying coach across country, I dont see them giving up the new cars or helicopters or having fancy parties. I am sick of eating in, not shopping and paying my bills, while Congress and Obarfo dont pay theirs.
becki51758 on February 25, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Trillions on trillions. These idiots are driving us straight to third world status.
Is this really what you hope-n-change believers wanted?
FireBlogger on February 25, 2009 at 7:40 PM
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