House passes $410 billion spending bill as Obama prepares $634 billion health care fund
posted at 5:03 pm on February 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
The health-care money would be provided over 10 years, so, you know, no worries. Granted, they don’t have an actual plan on how to spend it yet — but then they don’t have an economic plan yet either.
Obama would pay for the expansion by trimming tax breaks for the wealthy and tightening payments to insurers, hospitals and physicians, according to a senior administration official.
By first identifying a large pot of money to underwrite health care reform — before laying out a proposal on who would be covered or how — Obama hopes to signal his willingness to negotiate with Congress over the details of an eventual plan.
“We wanted to get this process going by putting some serious resources on the table,” said the official, who was not permitted to speak on the record until formal release of the budget blueprint. “This is a reserve fund, instead of a 700-page plan. We learned the lessons of the past and want to work interactively with Congress. This is a first step.”
This won’t pay for the whole thing, in other words. It’s a down payment, with the balance to be paid by the permanent tax increases on the middle class that are coming, as the NYT reminds us in a moment of amazing candor today. How much will that balance be, allowing for the inevitable cost overruns? Only The One, in his supreme wisdom, knows. As for the spending bill that passed the House this afternoon, there are literally almost 9,000 earmarks in it — and it still drew more than a dozen GOP votes. It’s an amazing testament to the confidence Obama and the Democrats have in their popularity right now that they’re willing to hit the public with another trillion in future spending so soon after dropping $800 billion on the stimulus and with another round of TARP on the way. Exit question: How much will that “down payment” end up ballooning to? $2 trillion? $3 trillion?










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Try to get a business loan like that.
Uh. Yeah. I’m gonna need that $1 million loan today. I’ll show you a business plan next week.
And see how far it gets you.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:06 PM
It’s like he’s trying to bankrupt the country on purpose.
rollthedice on February 25, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Hey, what’s another trillion among friends?
Vashta.Nerada on February 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Ya think?
darwin on February 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
Depends on if you mean on the books, or off the books.
If you sum up all the different accounting books the government keeps, debt is at like $50 trillion dollars or something. The “official” book only has it at $10 trillion.
I’m fully expecting DC to have a budget of $6 trillion dollars by 2012, which would be ~10% of the global GDP.
Can you imagine?
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:07 PM
I don’t think I can take 47 more months of this.
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM
None of this should come as a surprise to anyone. We just gotta bunker down and oppose everything that is against the principles of conservatism. If we can’t sink them all, it doesn’t matter. We gotta, at least, try.
Achilles on February 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Oh Jesus. :(
I guess I am going to actually have to make a snow cave and live in it soon.
I wonder if I will get taxed!
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM
we are running out of doctors as is and his plan is to cut back on what they are making from government programs allready. I have no doubt they take it for granted that doctors will always be there.
rob verdi on February 25, 2009 at 5:09 PM
Enshala, Barack…
DamnYankee on February 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
it’s like a reverse fire sale
Trent1289 on February 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Europe did.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I passed a church sign (!) in town last week; it read: “A billion dollars here and a billion dollars there soon adds up to real money!”
hoosiermama on February 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Politico’s Thrush says that 16 House Republicans voted for it. Do we have names yet?
onlineanalyst on February 25, 2009 at 5:12 PM
I think they’re using this for more than just “medicinal” purposes already.
pain train on February 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I have been wondering about something. He says that “families” making under $250,000 will not have their taxes raised. Does this mean that the $250,000 income limit does not apply to individuals?
Mark1971 on February 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I believe you can tell what the future holds by looking at the past. Bush’s Medicare part D exploded by a factor of 10 and it is still growing. So take the down payment and multiply it and you get around 5 trillion bucks. I would guess that is the real down payment with the actual cost much more.
txaggie on February 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
When it all hits the fan…………..the street lights will be turned off, the police cars towed to the junk yard, the schools shuttered for lack of funds, and Polosi will be fat still – along with her marsh mice………….
Cinday Blackburn on February 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
You said it well: “a trillion here, a trillion there”. It’s pretty ridiculous that they still have this “high approval rating”
youngO on February 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
Where does he come up with these numbers. Its like a game to him, say a really big number kids 786 billion gamillion katrillion. Great that sounds perfect, be right back got to talk to congress
Tremmy on February 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM
The ordinary folks who comprise the voting populace are getting overwhelmed. One has to be a big radio/blog junkie to keep up with all the TARP/Spendulus/Big3/AIG/DistressedMortgage/HealthCare/etc spending going on. The average joe just can’t keep up with all of it, and the White House is planning on keeping it that way. Spend until everybody is too dizzy to react and then spend some more.
innominatus on February 25, 2009 at 5:14 PM
This isn’t going to last, and the explosion (implosion) is going to be quite large I’m afraid.
Vashta.Nerada on February 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM
There is no plan. The number is pulled out of his ass.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Doh…I meant 7 trillion
txaggie on February 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM
What’s another Tril or two. So, he’s going to cut the deficit in half at the same time? Only one way that could happen. Bend over, This is gonna hurt.
swede7 on February 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM
Eco-terrorist Pelosi won’t let the politce cars be towed.
1. they would be a bioharzard.
2. her mice come first
3. can’t drill for oil… go no gasolino!
Everything made of and from plastic will just sit there and never be used. Schools included.
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM
U.S.(S.)(R.)A.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM
If this spending insanity doesn’t convince you to withhold all tax revenue from the government, you have no grounds for complaint.
This is our country, not the government’s, and if you don’t have the backbone to stand up for it, you don’t deserve it, and you don’t deserve to call yourselves “American”.
LimeyGeek on February 25, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Unicorns ain’t free.
trubble on February 25, 2009 at 5:16 PM
I wonder how that bubble is looking from the outside?
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:16 PM
If I were thinking of ways to destroy our country, I couldn’t do any better than just letting the Democrats do whatever they want.
Is there not 1 journalist who will ask these tax criminals where the money is going to come from?
WisCon on February 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM
What about Pelosi’s face?
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM
MO appears to be to pass/approve as much as possible before the honeymoon is over and they can’t get away with it as easily.
Is this not seriously setting up Fiscal Cons well for 2012? Sanford, Jindal, Palin, Coburn, etc.?
jp on February 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Wake up my friend. Bankrupting the country has been the Democratic goal for many decades.
Maxx on February 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM
as American will have to forever endure it. It just won’t melt!
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM
To oppose this is nihilism.
Ted Torgerson on February 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Obama, third debate:
There will be a net spending cut in Washington if I’m elected.
Obama advisor after the debate:
spending cut meant tax increases. (cuz spending to democrats is a tax decrease)
So you were warned. Too bad.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:19 PM
I’m driving by Wal-Mart on my way home tonight to stock up more .357′s
Kevin in Washington State on February 25, 2009 at 5:20 PM
ashame we don’t have a legit media to take it to Obama over this stuff
jp on February 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Obama, Dreams of my Father:
Your future, your past.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Now, if everyone else would only get it.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
Can one Conservative member of Congress please stand up and say…………….
Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM
I wonder when China will run out of money.
txaggie on February 25, 2009 at 5:22 PM
Lots of luck.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 5:22 PM
This is what Bush tried with Social Security. He had parameters and wanted to work out a plan with congress. I hope it works as well for Obama as it did for Bush.
WashJeff on February 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Hillary says to communists,
We will succeed or fail, together.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Look at the juxtaposition in THIS screen-cap.
franksalterego on February 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Taxpayers would like to “interact” with congress a little, themselves.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM
If he is serious about tightening payments on physicians and hospitals, you can forget about ever finding a doctor to treat you. Medicare and Medicaid are notorious about paying less than a patient costs a doctor or hospital. They make up for it by charging us and our insurance companies more. Expect a major physician shortage.
bopbottle on February 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM
Well, yeah. We’re paying for the Dems’ FDR fetish. We, and our kids, and our grandkids…
ddrintn on February 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Proof positive that this group does NOT believe in the free enterprise system.
Funny part… there going to be nobody rich left to tax with Barry’s Rich Man Tax increse.
No one will be paying any Capital Gains taxes this year, between the housing market, and the stock market… and in fact once loses are written off the Government will be seriously in the Red next year…
Romeo13 on February 25, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Yep. The little secret is the hospital costs go up -because- of government action. Thus, we need more intervention to make the costs go down.
Wuh?
Ya. I know.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Yipee! I feel so stimulated now. I feel a tingle running through my wallet.
SouthernRoots on February 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I think we already passed that about a month ago.
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Has someone here called China to make sure this is OK?
kc8ukw on February 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM
I’m waiting for the “Chavez Moment”. You know, where someone in Congress says “Hey, let’s do away with 2 terms”. Will he still be the president, or shall we refer to him as Comrade Chairman?
GarandFan on February 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM
Well at least the numbers are decreasing. 800 billion, 600 billion, 400 billion. I am trying to find a bright side but this guy is doom and gloom. I wanted to say dark but we all know what that would be called
Tremmy on February 25, 2009 at 5:26 PM
BTW, the $400B is just to get the feds through September of this year…
Vashta.Nerada on February 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM
I think the republican strategy should be to double up on anything Obama proposes.
He says 600 billion, trump him with 1.2 trillion.
He says 1 trillion, trump him with 2.
It’ll expose the fallacy of the whole operation. Too bad, no one has any malkins up there.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Fixed it!
WashJeff on February 25, 2009 at 5:28 PM
This is SO UNBELIEVABLE! He’s insane! You want fries with that?
CynicalOptimist on February 25, 2009 at 5:29 PM
LOL.. might wanna take a look at this!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
“tightening payments…..”
How is that miracle performed these days?
This is the Least Tightened administration in recent memory, enabled by the Totally Un-Tightened Congress.
exit rhetorical question: Why does this hack want to ‘fix’ something which ain’t broke?
Janos Hunyadi on February 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Always remember Daschle’s rules: Be Quick, Be Vague.
For example, the sentence, the quick vague fox jumped into the henhouse.
r keller on February 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
OK, then the local Hardware store, Dennis Company. I live out in hunter’s paradise – so they should have my shells. :)
Kevin in Washington State on February 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
He spoke about fiscal responsibility last night. I swear I saw that.
Chuck Schick on February 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
So then,the Liberals will be flying by wing,but no prayer,
but hey,don’t worry,be happy,they have said,
Transparency
and
Oversight!
Spender down Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 5:31 PM
NAMES!! I WANT NAMES!!! And rope…NAMES and rope!
ihasurnominashun on February 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Yep, our gubment is printing money so fast it won’t be long before the American dollar is as worthless as Zimbabwe’s currency, not long after that our inflation rate will be about the same as Zimbabwe’s too!
Good times…good times to come for sure…hmmmm…I wonder if I can get a Wi-Fi signal in my under ground bunker so I can keep posting on HA?
Liberty or Death on February 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Is printing counterfeit money a “shovel ready” project?
JoeySlippers on February 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Wait let me get this straight.
In about 3 months or so we just spent 3 trillion dollars???
That must be how BHO plans on reducing the deficit by half. Make it ridiculously large and then default on if or “short sale” the country.
Unbelievable.
Jamewah on February 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
nope I live in paradise :D
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Oh Goody! We will finally know why Capitol Hill smells the way it does with the ‘Study of Swine Smell’ Pork Project.
HornetSting on February 25, 2009 at 5:33 PM
This has to still be voted on in the senate doesn’t it? And isn’t this the one that has nothing BUT pork projects in it?
I’m going to be an alcoholic by the time Barry’s out of office.
anniekc on February 25, 2009 at 5:33 PM
Tightening payments. That translates to hospitals and clinics and doctors getting even less money for their services, causing even more to go belly-up, requiring even more government intervention/interference/enslavement for the healthcare system.
Of COURSE it’s intentional. They can’t get total communism up and running here FAST enough.
MBuck on February 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM
you live with me? ;)
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM
That’s really nauseating.
Laura on February 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM
No you haven’t bought my F350 diesel extended cab yet.
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM
I have noticed the money to be faded a little, must be the mass printing. My IRS check is coming the 3rd but they are post dating it for the 30th.
Sarc
Tremmy on February 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
From Arkansas-online:
House passes omnibus spending bill
WASHINGTON — The U.S. House voted to boost spending on domestic programs by 8 percent, ease restrictions on travel to Cuba and kill a school voucher program in Washington, D.C., as part of a $410 billion spending bill……
Today’s Most Popular Stories:
1. Obituaries
2. LIKE IT IS: Pelphrey working to get his type of players
3. Beebe chewing over jobless-aid offer
4. Bad season no stranger to Pelphrey
5. Day of reckoning, Obama says
Tell me the folks in Arkansas haven’t got their priorities straight? :)
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM
I think Hillary cut a deal with the North Koreans. They can shoot their weapons and develop nukes as long as they send us some of these US bills they make over there.
WashJeff on February 25, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Online – here’s the roll call vote from THOMAS. 16 Reps voted for it, including FOB Fred Upton of Michigan, who lately has been getting the Obama-beer buddy treatment something fierce.
Among the notables:
Mary Bono
Shelly Capito
Fred Upton
Mike Castle, who slammed Obamas speech last night????
20 Dems voted against it, oddly enough including the reliably SF liberal/Jonestown massacre survivor Jackie Speier. curious.
Mike D. on February 25, 2009 at 5:36 PM
Someone is beginning to get it. They’re going to need to crank this out really fast:
“A Major Doctrinal Shift for Republicans”
INC on February 25, 2009 at 5:37 PM
My buddy is on the North Slope at the moment – maybe I should join him and just hibernate awhile….
Kevin in Washington State on February 25, 2009 at 5:39 PM
You could try but they aren’t hiring.
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:40 PM
I have been wondering about something. He says that “families” making under $250,000 will not have their taxes raised. Does this mean that the $250,000 income limit does not apply to individuals?
I haven’t forgotten that either.
From Barackobama.com
(emphasis added)
flyfisher on February 25, 2009 at 5:41 PM
“We need to turn the page once and for all on the last eight years,” said Representative James McGovern, a Massachusetts Democrat. “I’m glad that we have reversed the Bush cuts on domestic priorities.”
Glad to see Mr. McGovern thinks an 8% increase in government spending is a priority. Obama’s “sacrifice” speech last night went over well.
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 5:42 PM
On the appropriations bill – 10 GOP House members voted for it, 20 Dem House members voted against it.
Think we could trade for some of those Blue Dogs?
hawksruleva on February 25, 2009 at 5:42 PM
No, I’ll build a “Hawkeye” still and hunt.
Kevin in Washington State on February 25, 2009 at 5:43 PM
I feel…powerless. Santelli, for all his bluster, has struck a nerve railing against precisely this kind of idiotic governmental excess. What do you do when the inmates are not only running the asylum, but have consolidated power with approval from 60+% of the public to do so?
Flyover Country on February 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
People will be cool, until the bill comes due.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
Oh Allahpundit Ghost of Christmas Future. Why show us these things when we are past all hope?
BrideOfRove on February 25, 2009 at 5:44 PM
You just reminded me of the movie “Sleeper” with Woody Allen, where they put him in hibernation and wrapped his feet in tin foil……..
Rovin on February 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
Expanded…
Obama is smart to push all the spending now. That way future tax increases are couched as deficit/debt control, which no one could be against.
lorien1973 on February 25, 2009 at 5:45 PM
The Lying Liberals say,its a DEPRESSION,
and everybody needs to pay a price,some will
have to pay a much steeper price than others,
Hopey has made that painfully clear!
The absolute Dirty Rotten Filthy Rich will really
pay,and that has made the Liberal Party giddy as h#ll,
stick’n it to the top tax payers,
meanwhile,back at Team Socialist Liberal Party Command
and Control,they’re spending cash faster than they can
dream up the next Democrat scam!
Why is it,that the Liberal Party are in a ‘DOOMSDAY CRISIS’,
or at least thats what their telling their ‘sheep’,but
every American has to bite the bullit,and spend wiser,
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama,for the love of Gawd,
lead by example,why isn’t their government layoffs,and
cut-backs,
and thats the tune that should be played,if its THAT BAD,
in good faith to the American paying tax payers,show that
your willing to sacrifice,and share the BURDEN!!!
Instead,’ITS CHRISTMAS MORNING,EVERY MORNING’for the
Liberal Socialist Democratic Party,
‘Happy Spendis Holiday’,but not for the rest(Americans)of
us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 5:46 PM
You missed a paragraph:
WashJeff on February 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
The Chinese have to be getting jumpy, regardless of what they say.
a capella on February 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
you go build whatever you think… in the middle of winter in Alaska. Can I laugh at you later?
And then when you take “hawkeye” out and get the still shot of that animal you just killed out of season.. can I laugh then too?
upinak on February 25, 2009 at 5:47 PM
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