Hitchens: Does the left realize Obama’s committing us to endless war in Afghanistan?
posted at 8:48 pm on February 25, 2009 by Allahpundit
Sorry to turn this into Matthews Day at HA. I don’t think Hitch means this disapprovingly — he certainly didn’t two years ago when he defended the prospect of a long commitment in Afghanistan — but things have deteriorated since then, to the point where some NATO countries are now considering asking Iran to provide them with supply routes. As noted last week, if you listen hard you can already hear the first stirrings of leftist anti-war grumbling about “the good war”; Matthews is clearly warming to the thought of giving up, and it won’t take much for liberals as hardcore as Conason to turn. I’m not too worried about Hitchens, though. He recognizes this as a test of wills. And the wills involved aren’t just the west’s and the Taliban’s. Read it and weep.
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searcher484 on February 25, 2009 at 8:49 PM
Join the resistance – refuse to recognize the usurper Obama as President — http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89837
searcher484 on February 25, 2009 at 8:49 PM
The left doesn’t realize anything this guy does.
Tim Zank on February 25, 2009 at 8:49 PM
STOP THE WAR! QUAGMIRE!! BARACK IS KILLING INNOCENT BROWN MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN AND SO-CALLED TERRORISTS IN AF-GHAN-I-STAHN AND PAH-KEE-STAHN!!
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Gotta love Hitchens, agree or disagree. He’s still my favorite atheist. Sorry AP, but you definitely have the number two spot.
Pope Linus on February 25, 2009 at 8:52 PM
So, many of us tolerated Bush’s domestic plans because of his foreign policy. Here its the reverse, the left will stomach his foreign policy in exchange for his domestic plans.
rob verdi on February 25, 2009 at 8:53 PM
WTF?
My ISP’s DNS servers must have been hacked…. all day long, every time i type hotair.com into my web browser I get redirected to msnbc.com
This is bs.
BPD on February 25, 2009 at 8:55 PM
good point.
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Most transparent Administration Evah TM Obama Administration, 2009
TheBigOldDog on February 25, 2009 at 8:55 PM
bdp,
that is cruel
rob verdi on February 25, 2009 at 8:56 PM
I might add….
obama lied. people died.
BPD on February 25, 2009 at 8:56 PM
100 yrs.
jgapinoy on February 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM
JiangxiDad,
The left understands that the Obama plans are so dramatic and in some cases financially rewarding that they will stomach this war as long as he keeps delivering the goods.
rob verdi on February 25, 2009 at 8:57 PM
Jiangxi,
By the way thanks.
rob verdi on February 25, 2009 at 8:58 PM
the left will stomach his foreign policy in exchange for his domestic plans.
rob verdi on February 25, 2009 at 8:53 PM
No blood for gay marriage?
artist on February 25, 2009 at 8:58 PM
It’s not too late – the American people must remove Bambi from office on the citizenship issue – force him to disclose his former Indonesian citizenship —
searcher484 on February 25, 2009 at 8:59 PM
Why does Hitch keep looking down? Is he watching for a thrill in Chrissy’s leg?
jgapinoy on February 25, 2009 at 9:01 PM
Totally. It’s in the greater good, which is control of the economy,and a reduced role for America in the world.
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2009 at 9:03 PM
Barry is waiting for his Afghanistan experts to submit reports to him due in APRIL.
WOO, aka WaziristanOsamaOmar, aka Council for United Mujahideen, is now.
Mountain passes are opening, again, now.
Kyrgyzstan payments botched by Barry.
EPIC EPIC FAIL
Christien on February 25, 2009 at 9:05 PM
BPD on February 25, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Silly, you have not been hacked. Today’s news comes only from The One and The One’s minions…If you resist, it redirects you to “Fair News” websites.
I have no clue either whats going on with your computer, Just wanted to be a part of something.
FontanaConservative on February 25, 2009 at 9:06 PM
Sad. Reminds me of the report last year that ms13 members were joining the military to learn urban warfare to use against the police.
Spirit of 1776 on February 25, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Mr. Teleprompter’s military plan…………..
……… throw thousands of United States service men and women at Afghanistan,
…………. without a plan. Just like his current policies, throw Trillions of dollars at problems, without oversight, transparency, or accountability.
Yeah……….. this is going to work out well.
I hear the number of troops refusing to follow Mr. Teleprompter’s orders is growing……….
………… do to the question of his birth certificate status, and ineligibility to be the POTUS.
Seven Percent Solution on February 25, 2009 at 9:07 PM
Hey Hitch—
Ayers gets it. Hey said Afghanistan will bury Obama, just like Vietnam buried LBJ.
So when are Bill and Bernadette going back to bombing?
Mr. Joe on February 25, 2009 at 9:09 PM
2 twits and a drunk.
Bleh.
(I still like the drunk)
VolMagic on February 25, 2009 at 9:09 PM
So, I’ve been asking my lefty chickenhawk associates when they are going to go sign up for his war against the peace loving people of Afghanistan and for some reason they don’t give me a date. After spending a few years trolling, ah, reading DU and Kos I’m now thoroughly confused.
18-1 on February 25, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Well, cowboy, you endorsed him. What a dummy. Oh wait, he’s an athiest, so he’s awesomely awesome.
It's Vintage, Duh on February 25, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Forgive me for asking, but is there something wrong with Christopher Hitchens? I mean he doesn’t even attempt to look at the camera and he looks fevered. I never really knew who he was before this sooo…
Glenn Jericho on February 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Aghr that 2nd useless talking-points guy was gobbling up Hitchen’s time.
ebrawer on February 25, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Having routed the Taliban, liberated millions, midwived a (Sharia-supreme) constitution, assisted in elections, propped up a government and routed the Taliban some more, all the United States needs now to win victory in Afghanistan is to win the “trust” of the Afghan people.
So, cockamamiely, wrote Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, in a column appearing in the Washington Post just days before President Obama ordered 17,000 new troops to Afghanistan, nearly doubling the American presence there.
The president’s top military adviser explained the policy this way: “We have learned, after seven years of war, that trust is the coin of the realm — that building it takes time, losing it take mere seconds, and maintaining it may be our most important and most difficult objective.”
Sorry, admiral, but if that is what we have “learned” in a war that has claimed more than 600 American lives, wounded and maimed thousands more, and cost billions of pre-bailout dollars, we are practically done for.
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM
Well why not, there’s gonna be an endless war in the Kuffar countries too … Muslims finally admit islam is NOT a ‘religion of peace’. Get ready.
Tony737 on February 25, 2009 at 9:16 PM
I love listening to Mr. Hitchens. The extra bonus is his speech pattern that makes the interviewer think he has completed his answer when he’s actually just getting started. It’s very funny.
Cindy Munford on February 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM
More proof that the UK is doomed:
British soldiers are engaged in “a surreal mini civil war” with growing numbers of home-grown jihadists who have travelled to Afghanistan to support the Taliban, senior Army officers have told The Independent.
And yet they still won’t have the balls to do something about it. They will allow them to continue to immigrate, refuse to deport them, and even when convicted, refuse to deport them. But, they will refuse entry to Wilders.
Blake on February 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Relax, folks. They just need a little community organizing in The ‘Stan.
/
Christien on February 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM
Meanwhile,at Code Pinko’s Anti-War Peace Command
and Control headquarters,they seem to be in a
perplexing and inexplicable position,
on one hand they voted for Obama,Hope/Change,
but then on the other hand,
the Roman Temple Pillar Peace Troopers,
have been,
B E T R A Y E D by Obama!!
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 9:21 PM
LBJ, LBJBHO, BHO, HOW MANY KIDS HAVE YOU KILLED TODAY!!!?MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:23 PM
Conason’s nightmares are all coming true but no doubt the irony is totally lost on Joe and his biggest fan, Matthews.
From Conason’s website:
It Can’t Happen Here,Authoritarian Peril In The Age Of Bush by Joe Conason
The Raw Deal by Joe Conason
Big Lies by Joe Conason
The Hunting of the President by Joe Conason
moxie_neanderthal on February 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Paging Helen Thomas…
JiangxiDad on February 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Hopefully,us Canadians will tough it out,
and stand with thee,Americans!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 9:24 PM
When can we play the “where’s-the-Afganistan-exit-strategy” card?
Glenn Jericho on February 25, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Let’s see we have a liberal, a lefty, and a radical lefty.
That’s what MSNBC calls a balanced panel.
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Its Obama’s War,as well as, the Liberal Party,
fair is fair,the U.S.S Hot Air,has 4 years of
besmirching Hopey,just as the nutcakes,did to
President Bush!
Now how does that Liberal line go,
“Dissent is Patriotic”!
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 9:30 PM
The left does not even realize the sun warms the earth.
DeweyWins on February 25, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Col Jack Jacobs decorated Vietnam Veteran. Was on Imus in the Morning. He wants to know what are the 17,000 troops going to Afghanistan for? What is their Mission? There is no mention what the plan is for 17,000 more troop build up. According to Col Jacobs it isn’t to hunt for Bin Laden, Al Qaeda or the Taliban. After he brought it up, I got to thinking about Somalia, and Black Hawk Down, and Mission Creep. Shouldn’t the Media ask the Obama Administration exactly what these 17,000 Troops Mission will be – what will they be tasked to do? Below link to Col Jack Jacobs on Imus in the Morning. Why is he the only one asking?
http://www.wabcradio.com/Article.asp?id=1175227&spid=22807
Dr Evil on February 25, 2009 at 9:34 PM
At the end of the day all this discussion about Afghanistan doesn’t matter one bit in the climate we are in now.
Most people realize Obama inherited this war and as such will give him leeway. You can start talking about Afghanistan in six months.
At that time most people will then give weight to any criticism.
Right now people are just seeing these arguments as noise.
ckoeber on February 25, 2009 at 9:34 PM
War is a tough sell and enthusiasm for war, even for a just war, has a very short self life. That’s why it takes an outstanding leader to inspire people to keep up the good fight and never quit. Unfortunately the last one I saw with that quality is now clearing brush on his ranch.
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Here is Jack Jacob’s Blog again What is the Goal in Afghanistan “Status Quo” ????
http://jackjacobs.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/19/2448622-whither-afghanistan
Dr Evil on February 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM
They’re not stomaching anything. The left is not pacifist. They launched similar wars in Bosnia and Kosovo under Clinton for identical reasons.
aengus on February 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Today, I come before you to warn of a great threat. It is called Islam. It poses as a religion, but its goals are very worldly: world domination, holy war, sharia law, the end of the separation of church and state, slavery of women, the end of democracy. It is NOT a religion, it is an political ideology. It demands your respect, but has no respect for you.
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Don’t forget Vietnam and WWI.
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:41 PM
That conason has a face and personality that makes me want to punch.
peacenprosperity on February 25, 2009 at 9:41 PM
Not at all. The Iraq war was not a tough sell. It only became unpopular when it petered down to the US armed forces standing around in the desert doing nothing, being picked off by snipers and IEDs, waiting for democracy to take hold.
The initial war in 2003 (which lasted three weeks) and four years later the surge in 2007 were effective, successful and popular.
aengus on February 25, 2009 at 9:42 PM
I got a plan,special ops with lazer pointers,
air support 24/7,and Spectre C-130′s,and have,
the new SLBM tested,that was planned a year ago,
to substitue the nuclear warhead to conventional
warhead,and strike any part of earth,with less
than 30 minutes,from Balistic Submarines!
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Where is Patreus? How come we haven’t seen or heard from him lately? Has barry taken over the running of the wars?
peacenprosperity on February 25, 2009 at 9:43 PM
Circa 2012:
Just about four years ago I set out on Obama’s Afghanistan road,
Seekin my fame and glory, lookin for a pot of gold.
Things got bad, and things got worse, I guess you will know the tune.
Oh ! lord, stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.
Flew in on a big plane, I hope I’ll be in one piece flyin out when I go.
I was just passin through, must now be yet another 2 tours or more.
Running out of time and patience, looks like they took more of my friends.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.
The Hope and Change man in the White House said yet again I was on my way.
Somewhere I lost his connection, he ran out of words to say.
I came into Kabul, a one year stand, looks like the plans fell through
Oh ! lord, stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.
Mmmm…
If I only had a woman, for evry Obama tour Ive done.
And evry time Ive had to fight while Obama and Biden sat back home power drunk.
You know, Id like to catch the next plane back to where Im from.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.
Oh ! lord, Im stuck in Obama’s Afghanistan again.
- CCR Soldier Boy
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:44 PM
According to Adm. Mike Mullen, to win the trust of the Afghan people.
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
OK, that sounds like a good plan to take out the threat coming from Washington D.C., but what about Afghanistan?
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:49 PM
We can subdue Afghanistan anytime we want. It’s a question of the ROE. The idiot messiah wants to make it look like an endless war, but we will finish it as soon as his sorry azz is out of office and someone gets in who knows how to fight a war.
Also, NATO are a bunch of pu**ies who couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag. Everything with NATO is endless. It’s really just us and a couple of others. That’s it. We need to realize that, make the ROE’s reasonable for a war, and get to business.
Of course, this is all made very tough as the idiot messiah is turning on our allies and trying to cozy up to terrorists the world over …
progressoverpeace on February 25, 2009 at 9:54 PM
That’s why it’s a tough sell… War is hell. It’s like the first 10 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. As my friends who were in Vietnam used to say, “war is hours of boredom punctuated by moments of shear terror.”
War is an easy sell until people start dying.
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 9:56 PM
The last Afghanis you could trust, the Buddhists, were wiped out by the invading Arabian Islamic imperialists ~because those naive followers of Siddhartha believed in peace.
Mohammedans believe in conquest.
The jihadists’ de facto winning of this war was when the U.S. “leaders” submitted to Sharia Law being installed as the legal code of the country.
Since that fatal error, there is nothing to fight for, only against.
Until we tire of their duplicity and corruption and contempt for us infidel dogs, and just bomb from the air .
No minds or hearts will be won until the radical theocratic loons are all room temperature.
And a secular Constitution, dislodging religious rule, is imposed.
Without the will to do that, there is no point in persisting in this folly.
Bomb from a distance until any secularists can wrest control from the dogmatic maniacs.
profitsbeard on February 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Some of the far left is freaking out. ANSWER is planning a march on the Pentgon next month. I’m sorry this is so long, but I think it’s kind of funny that they go after Obama as they did Bush. All the usual suspects will be there.
http://www.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=M21_homepage
7 Reasons You Should Join
the March on the Pentagon
on March 21, 2009
Please post the March 21st event on your Facebook and MySpace pages, and forward it widely to your friends and family.
1
The war in Afghanistan is expanding and widening. President Obama announced last week that another 17,000 troops are on their way to Afghanistan. Only 18 percent of Afghanis support this escalation and only 34 percent of the people of the United States approve of the added troops despite the president’s popularity, according to the Washington Post/ABC poll announced on February 17, 2009. This is a colonial war. The president of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, was not involved in the decision to add more occupying troops into his country. Rather, he was “informed of the deployments in a telephone call with Obama” on February 17, according to the Washington Post (February 18, 2009).
2
About 350,000 U.S. troops and U.S.-paid private contractors (mercenaries) still occupy Iraq. The Iraqi people want the occupation to end. Gen. Ray Odierno, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is insisting that only two of the 14 combat brigades in Iraq exit in 2009. The war and occupation of Iraq costs $430 million each day. If the U.S. government were to end the military occupation, any and all future Iraqi governments would return to a position of political independence from the economic and political dictates of the United States. Iraq’s anti-colonial legacy has created a political reality that prohibits the country from becoming like Kuwait or Saudi Arabia–an out-and-out dependency on U.S. imperialism. That is the real reason that the U.S. government fears a complete disengagement from Iraq and an end to its military occupation.
3
Israel’s Siege of Gaza remains in place, with the full backing of Washington. The U.S. government has continued to fund Israel’s war and blockade against the people of Gaza. The Pentagon provided the funding, and technical and logistical support for the establishment of the Israeli war machine, including its massive cluster and white phosphorous bomb arsenal, and the country’s large cache of nuclear bombs.
4
The new Justice Department has announced that it will continue the policy of renditions, meaning the CIA and Pentagon will capture and kidnap individuals anywhere in the world and transfer them to other countries. “The Obama administration appears to have determined that the rendition program was one component of the Bush administration’s war on terrorism that it could not afford to discard.” (LA Times, Feb. 1, 2009)
5
The new administration has stepped up the air strikes that are killing an increasingly large number of Pakistani civilians. Unmanned drone bombing attacks violate Pakistani sovereignty and are creating an ocean of resentment and anger inside of Pakistan. The U.S. government has no right to carry out these drone bombing strikes in Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen. The people of the United States would not accept the legitimacy of other governments ordering air attacks in the United States. We must openly and loudly reject such tactics by the government that speaks in our name and spends our tax dollars for such aggression.
6
The real Pentagon war budget is over $1.3 trillion annually. This is greater than the combined total of most of the other countries in the world, including all the NATO countries, and Russia and China. Some label this “waste spending” because it spends precious resources to build exotic and high cost weapons, a new generation of nuclear weapons, and space-based war fighting capabilities, while filling the coffers of the big investors (i.e., the biggest banks) in the war corporations. Pentagon contracting is often based on guaranteed “cost-plus” contracts that reward price gouging since corporate profit is based on a fixed percentage above their expenses. Another label for this process is “extreme corruption” and theft from the public treasury.
7
More than 20 million people are now unemployed and under-employed. Nine million families are either in foreclosure or are at risk of foreclosure this year, according to the statistics just released by the government. Forty-seven million people are without health care. College tuition hikes are soaring and millions of students are at risk of being forced out of school. The people want change. They don’t want a simple tweaking of Bush’s criminal foreign policies. They want to put people’s needs before corporate greed. They want an end to wars of aggression that are wreaking havoc, death and destruction abroad, and diverting urgently needed resources in the service of semi-colonialism and Empire.
juliesa on February 25, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Ok,that sounds like a good plan……
MB4 on Feb 25,2009 at 9:49PM.
MB4:Okay,Mr.Smart#ss(Kidding you,)hey MB,forgot to thank
you for that link of that picture you posted,a few days
ago!:)
canopfor on February 25, 2009 at 10:02 PM
As GayPatriot said on his blog… NO BLOOD FOR OPIUM!
SouthernGent on February 25, 2009 at 10:04 PM
Has Obama ordered the white flags yet. Nancy is getting antsy about leaving 50K troops in Iraq. She thinks the number should be alot lower, maybe 15K. Probably drooling over the money that she’ll be able to spend when the troops are out.
GarandFan on February 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM
Obama can’t handle the bad publicity. He will fall apart like a wet disposable diaper. The most pressure will come from his own party as in Nancy “I think my face is jammed” Pelosi and Harry “I AM smilling” Reid. They are career politicians who will be around years after the O is gone.
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM
According to Adm. Mike Mullen, to win the trust of the Afghan people.
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 9:47 PM
That’s the State Department’s Territory not the Military. So when can we expect to see Madame Secretary showing off the latest in Burqa fashions:) oh and can she embed a press member, and take Helen Thomas with her…just sayin any excuse to get Helen in a Burqa.
Dr Evil on February 25, 2009 at 10:06 PM
The commanders were forced to compromise with Obama’s staff over Iraq; I suspect many of them are unhappy right now.
Supporting the war was also a fad. All those “We support the troops” ribbons starting disappearing in January of ’04. They used to be hard to miss–now, you rarely see one.
War *is* a tough sell. Many Americans think that freedom is an entitlement. Most of them have the attention span of a gnat. They think that wars are fought the same way we see them fought in movies. I honestly think that, if we were faced with a situation like WWII, most Americans would rather give up than fight.
youngTXcon on February 25, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Normally I’d sympathise with grumbling about over-cautious R.O.E. but Afghanistian is famously an unconquered land, so saying that it could be subdued anytime if it weren’t for this or that complication is not convincing.
Also, NATO are a bunch of pu**ies who couldn’t fight their way out of a paper bag. Everything with NATO is endless. It’s really just us and a couple of others. That’s it. We need to realize that, make the ROE’s reasonable for a war, and get to business.
NATO was conceived as a defensive alliance against the Soviet Union and should have been disbanded in 1991. It was never conceived as an extraterritorial invasion force.
The unwillingness of NATO member countries to act as vassal states to an international U.S.-led nation-building coalition is unfortunate for U.S. interests but not evidence that NATO countries are “pu**ies”.
Although many NATO soldiers, particularly Brits, Candadians and Danes, fight and die under the banner of NATO.
aengus on February 25, 2009 at 10:07 PM
In the words of Pope Benedict XVI, “Amen”
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM
As per the Muslim poll: We’re going to lose this war either way. Who gives a crap?
I’m adopting the Allahpundit school of thought w/ regards to all things that matter to our very existence: Who gives a flying crap? For god sakes people: the GOP is being represented by people who have strong feelings and are willing to insult the president. What the hell does it matter that there are over 10 million Muslims sympathetic to terrorism? PALIN said something stupid!
jimmy the notable on February 25, 2009 at 10:11 PM
They might say they want to fight, but that would be a lie. For them, if the war wasn’t over in 16 months, it wasn’t worth fighting in the first place. America is doomed. It was going to take a monumental effort to overcome the Social Security crisis, and that monumental effort did not involve putting the country further into debt.
jimmy the notable on February 25, 2009 at 10:14 PM
No that’s not it at all. I wasn’t inferring that there were less casualties during the initial invasion or the surge.
Would you agree that “war is four years of boredom punctuated by moments of shear terror”?
Look back at the statements issued by President Bush in 2005 saying that “democracy” would transform Iraq. It was/is a utopian fantasy.
The Armed Forces were not waging war during that time, just policing cities and waiting for democracy to kick in.
aengus on February 25, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Today I explained to a coworker that even though he’s pulling troops out of Iraq in 2010, he’s committed thousands to Afghanistan for an indefinite period of time. And that there was a tiny little throw-away line about continuing the war in Pakistan. Which, technically, there is no war in Pakistan so his campaign promise of unilaterally invading a nuclear capable ally of the US might actually happen.
Her reponse: Oh, I must have missed that.
Which of course means: I was too busy orgasming over how awesome Obama is to actually pay attention to his words…
mjk on February 25, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Are they going to try and levitate it? I hope so. That would be so cool.
progressoverpeace on February 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Allahpundit…this guy posts this on most every blog…please tell him to knock it off…we get it…not to mention some of it is just plain wrong…we get it…
right2bright on February 25, 2009 at 10:22 PM
It is this failure to appreciate freedom as a gift that got us here. Many Americans watching this spending-spree are willing to support it because “our President is spending money on *us* now, instead of those meaningless savages”.
youngTXcon on February 25, 2009 at 10:23 PM
War is at best barbarism. Its glory is all moonshine. War is hell.
- William Tecumseh Sherman
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Policing, waging war, tap dancing it doesn’t matter what they were doing when they were killed. Death is a show stopper. A leader has to face the country as the body bags and the maimed soldiers come home. He has to reassure the people that somehow the cost is justified. Bush did it to some extent. Obama could care less and will not even try to make the case. Afaganastan is a wound that will take a long time to heal. If we ignore it it will just festur and kill a lot of people when it does. It’s like the war on drugs. You never win it, you just win one battle at a time.
RadioFreeUSA on February 25, 2009 at 10:29 PM
They welcomed the reannexation of the Saar, and the Anschluss, and the liberation of the Sudetenland, they were thrilled when they smashed the French, and turned Poland into part of Greater Germany…thrilled, tears in their eyes thrilled, and they pushed their way over others in order to try to touch him, and the rallies, oh, the rallies, the spotlights reaching to the heavens, and the torchlight parades, and the gifted speaker, the one who guided them, guided them, even had a name for that, Fuhrer. And they saw that all of this was good. They felt proud again, as a people, the bad days were over, forever, or at least for the next thousand years, as the one, the one who guided them, promised. Their self-respect as a people had been given to them once again.
So what if there was a seamier side. Yes, neighbors disappeared in the dead of night, and that broken glass the one night, well, it was a bother to step around, but it got the message out, and sons, fathers, cousins went off to war, never to return…what was important was that the enemies of the state had to be dealt with.
But, they had their pride restored…nothing could stand in their way.
It is amazing how much people will put up with, with fervent tears of gladness streaming down their faces, how much they are willing to endure, willingly, how easy it is to be part of the tsunami of a historic tide…and so easy to not see anything that runs contrary to the accepted belief. Only those obstructionists, enemies, traitors, wreckers, are to blame for any failures, not the one who is guiding them.
Powerful stuff this charismatic leadership can be.
So what if we are committed to Afghanistan for the next ten, maybe twenty years. Others failed, but we won’t. The others just didn’t do it right, or weren’t the right people to do it.
So long as another mortgage is paid off, and college tuition is free for any and all, and the benefits keep streaming in…that Afghan thing, just a distraction, really, not all that important.
Hitchens has latched on to something that one should really take a look at, a deep look…and see beyond the obvious.
There will be no anti-war outcry from the Left. To do so would be disloyal. To do so would be to cave in to all those on the Right, the obstructionists, who are trying to distract the one who guides us from his given mission. There is no contradiction. There cannot be a contradiction. The one who guides us told us so. We must believe. And that stuff on the seamy side? Not all that important really. Just caused by those who are disloyal and want to show their disdain for the one who guides us…our leader.
coldwarrior on February 25, 2009 at 10:30 PM
And they probably missed or didn’t care about the line in the speech last night where Obama called Iraq a waste. Basically he dehumanized millions of Iraqi people as a waste. That hurt my brain and my cold shriveled heart.
mjk on February 25, 2009 at 10:30 PM
Again I am relieved to see that the military sees their responsibility is to protecting the constitution and not the Commander in chief!
allrsn on February 25, 2009 at 10:32 PM
You’ve gone very philosophical all of a sudden. That’s fine, I suppose.
aengus on February 25, 2009 at 10:34 PM
About the only thing that would turn Afghanistan into anything worthwhile would be to confiscate all their korans, kill all their Imams and probably more than half their adult male population.
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 10:38 PM
A scientist is someone who learns more and more about less and less, and ultimately knows everything about nothing. A Philosopher is someone who learns less and less about more and more, and ultimately knows nothing about everything.
Tav on February 25, 2009 at 10:40 PM
mjk on February 25, 2009 at 10:30 PM
They may not have, but *I* heard it, & I’ve never been so disgusted by a President in my entire [albeit short] life. Regardless of how one person feels about Iraq, a CIC telling his soldiers *to their faces* that their sacrifices has been in vain is equivalent to spitting on them.
youngTXcon on February 25, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Afghanistan is not the point Hitchens is trying to make. The point he is making is that under this President, under this Party, white is black, black is white, and all the moral certitude and passion the demonstrated loudly and vividly as the Left over the past eight years tried to bring down a government was without conviction…a sham…and they are proving it today by their silence. The Sheehans and Code Pinkers and all the rest were not the least bit interested in morality and justice nor the least bit concerned about the alleged tortures and the killing of the helpless masses in a foreign country. Not one bit. It was all a sham. All of it.
coldwarrior on February 25, 2009 at 10:47 PM
Conason is impressive. I never thought anyone could make Matthews look rational and sane by comparison, but he pulled it off.
Splunge on February 25, 2009 at 10:50 PM
So you were being sarcastic? Or “paraphrasing Hitchens being sarcastic?
MB4 on February 25, 2009 at 10:52 PM
One small consolation is that the British soldier can permanently remove the home-grown jihadists from the scene.
Johan Klaus on February 25, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Just talked to a friend of mine who is a Senior Enlisted guy in the Pentagon…
They’ve been shut up.
Its been made abundantly clear to them that public bitching will be prosecuted under the UCMJ as Conduct Unbecoming… and prejudicial to good order…
He even had to sign a non disclosure agreement because has some access to Budget docs…. and the administration wants to “control the messege”…
Romeo13 on February 25, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Does the left know that the left committed Obama to an endless war in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
Speakup on February 25, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Geez! Your post was depressing! This is going to be a very very long year isn’t it. Can a man like Obama–so stupidly naive with a weird lack of understanding about how the world functions–really run any kind of war?
I hate to agree with Ayers on anything but this really does smack of LBJ.
petunia on February 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM
I agree but I think the Sheehan’s,et. al. have a strong anarcharist tendency. They want power for themselves. And attention. I think they won’t be able to help themselves.
petunia on February 25, 2009 at 11:23 PM
You know, before he was elected I said Obama was a totalitarian but wow. He has replaced the American Dream with the Soviet Dream in one short month.
I wonder what excuse he will make to keep power when his time is up. This is very very very very scary.
petunia on February 25, 2009 at 11:27 PM
No excuses. Destroying the dollar will make it “necessary”. Of course, he and his buddies don’t understand that no one can predict what will happen after the dollar goes. No one.
Yep.
progressoverpeace on February 25, 2009 at 11:30 PM
Never fear! I’m sure the New York Times will be happy to take his phone calls, and publish any amount of classified information he would care to provide. Their ombudsman has written eloquently of how they have a sacred responsibility to do so, no matter who sits in the White House.
Of course, the way things are going with the Times financially, he’ll probably won’t be able to call collect.
Doctor Zero on February 25, 2009 at 11:37 PM
At first, I was for going into Iraq, but we need to get OUT of Iraq and Afghanistan as soon as possible. When it comes to these Muslim nations, unless you go in and completely take over and change the culture, you know convert them to Christianity or something, uh, you will NEVER have success. Why do I say that? Because they cannot integrate with the West. Islam sees the West as “God’s Enemy.” The Quran says not to take Jews and Christians (infidels) as friends, and that would be anybody who is NOT a Muslim. If we conducted the Second World War the same way the Iraq War has been fought we would all be speaking German right now. You don’t make rich a nation of people that will use that wealth to destroy you. When you keep throwing people and money into Muslim nations that HATE YOU and want to KILL YOU time and time and time again, and you expect different results, normally that’s referred to as being insane.
apacalyps on February 25, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Why should we wait? He talked about it continually during his campaign. As I recollect, he wanted the job pretty badly.
a capella on February 25, 2009 at 11:44 PM
Why exactly should I give a flying flaming rat’s patootie in space what Hitchens says about anything? The man is an idiot is desperate need of a village.
pilamaye on February 25, 2009 at 11:51 PM
The One can do whatever he wants and the left wont care. As long as it’s not a republican they do not care.
Brat4life on February 25, 2009 at 11:59 PM
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