Auto bailout team no fans of American cars
posted at 2:50 pm on February 23, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Instead of a car czar, Barack Obama and Tim Geithner have settled on a committee to manage the domestic auto-industry bailout. But do the members of the team have an issue with American automobiles? No more than the rest of American drivers:
The vehicles owned by the Obama administration’s auto team could reflect one reason why Detroit’s Big Three automakers are in trouble: The list includes few new American cars.
Among the eight members named Friday to the Presidential Task Force on the Auto Industry and the 10 senior policy aides who will assist them in their work, two own American models. Add the Treasury Department’s special adviser to the task force and the total jumps to three.
Only two of eighteen own American cars? Include the Treasury Secretary and Obama economic adviser Larry Summers among import aficionados:
Geithner owns a 2008 Acura TSX, registered in New York. He once owned a 1999 Honda Accord and a 2002 Acura MDX, according to public records. … Summers owns a 1995 Mazda Protege that’s registered in Massachusetts. He previously owned a 1996 Ford Taurus GL.
The people tasked to rehabilitate the American auto industry and convince Americans to fund that rehabilitation largely avoid their products. That certainly sends an interesting message, although one in consonance with the buying public. It underscores the reason Detroit is in trouble — people with the funds to choose buy other products. They can’t solve their economic problems without solving that problem first.
But this could be a stroke of genius, rather than a disaster on the optics. Would we trust people who bought Detroit’s product to tell both the automakers and labor the truth about their predicament? A panel of skeptics sounds like a better idea than a panel of true believers.










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Excellent.
myrenovations on February 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM
Ya don’t say?
Glenn Jericho on February 23, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Timmy can afford to drive an Acura, but cheats on his taxes…
Wethal on February 23, 2009 at 2:54 PM
But they ride around in American made limos and fly in American made private jets.
Bishop on February 23, 2009 at 2:54 PM
The liberal motto:
Do as I say, not as I do.
MarkTheGreat on February 23, 2009 at 2:55 PM
I can hardly wait to see the ‘car of the future’ designed by a committee. Anyone recall what happened when a committee designed the replacement for the M113 armored personnel carrier?
GarandFan on February 23, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Define your terms – I drive an old Subaru, which was manufactured in the Midwest. I consider it to be an American car.
Realist on February 23, 2009 at 2:55 PM
And that’s why they’ll know what they’re talking about….because they have a Eurpoean perspective. When do we switch to driving on the left side of the road?
lm10001 on February 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Ed, what no love from the TIPS@HOTAIR.COM tipline?
Traffic Cop Timmy on February 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Please buy a car, to keep the car companies in business.
Please don’t drive it.
Please don’t run the engine.
Please don’t park it.
Please don’t use it to commute.
Please don’t take it in to a city.
Please don’t mind if we charge you by the mile as if your car were a taxi with a meter.
Please don’t put foreign oil or gas made from that oil in it.
I wonder why car companies are in the tank?
Wander on February 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
I’ve been driving Toyota Camry’s since 1987.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Gee,i wonder if the UAW will be silent about this?
centryt on February 23, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Libs: “Buy American for thee, but not for we. We’ll stick with the free market system, when it benefits us personally.”
Traffic Cop Timmy on February 23, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Who cares. America died on Nov 4th 2008.
It’s over folks.
VolMagic on February 23, 2009 at 3:00 PM
I could care less what he drives back and forth to his office. It’s what he does everyday IN the office that matters. And so far, it’s been unimpressive.
sherry on February 23, 2009 at 3:01 PM
Wander on February 23, 2009 at 2:56 PM
You forgot, please let us tax the hell out of it just for the right to own it.
myrenovations on February 23, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Obey. Just obey.
BHO Jonestown on February 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Hey, the DOW is down 212; soon we won’t have anything left to buy vehicles or the gas to power them, so no big deal.
I ride an Italian mountain bike, though the tires are made in the USA; I wonder if I can mount a machine gun on it.
Bishop on February 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Blaggo said, “Buy American!” as he sold to the highest bidder The Messiah’s empty Senate seat! (come to think about it, the “seat” was empty even when The One was a Senator!)
Cinday Blackburn on February 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM
Timmy can afford to drive an Acura, but cheats on his taxes…
Thats why he can afford it.
ouldbollix on February 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Really?! Wow, I never saw that one coming. What a surprise.
King of the Britons on February 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
stupid, stupid, stupid, buy American assholes! I sometimes wonder if these people actually think. Back in the day our elected officials proudly talked about the spectacular Amrican cars made with American hands. Presidents were unafraid to encourage citizens to buy American made products. Nowadays if you do that you’re called a protectionist and these idiots actually don’t even understand symbolism. I weep for American manufacturing…more.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM
How do you think he afforded it???
Shit I could have bought a Ferrari for all the taxes I have paid!!!!
I am such an idiot!!!!
izoneguy on February 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM
Considering all of their cars could have been assembeled in the US by Americans I don’t care. If the idea is to save jobs then let the Big 3 fail and lease out their factories to foreign makers who know how to produce quality cars and they can rehire the eomployees as long as they are non-unionized.
cadams on February 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM
And to you, unions are the best. Unintended consequences. Who’d of thought it?
genso on February 23, 2009 at 3:06 PM
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting a foreign car – we’re a military family, and we own one foreign (VW) and one American (Ford). When we pay off the car, we’re trading in the truck for another VW. Doesn’t make us un-American, it just means we like their cars better.
The Big 3 aren’t providing a product we want – let them fail, and maybe American car makers in the future will make better vehicles.
Anna on February 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I quit buying big three brands *because* they were union made. Oh, and they were also junk…
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Car Committee: We must raise your taxes to save the American car companies.
Me: But, but, you don’t drive American cars.
Car Committee: Oh, but our cars were made here in the USA.
Me: Cool. Then lets just do what you’re already doing and go with the profitable American made cars.
myrenovations on February 23, 2009 at 3:10 PM
these people don’t buy foreign because they have a better product, they buy it as a status symbol to their neighbors… they buy low fuel, high cost vehicles, that send money over seas. and they know it.
P.S.
Ford Stock can be had for $1.75 per share today. it normally sits around $10… so for every 50 shares you buy you stand to make $1000 when the stock returns to normal, which we all know it will… I don’t call this a recession, I call it a buyers market.
Kaptain Amerika on February 23, 2009 at 3:13 PM
I’m surprised they need cars at all. I thought The One’s cabinet levitated everywhere they needed to go…
Wyznowski on February 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM
I love my Acura. Although the sticker on the door-jamb says it was made in Ohio, weird.
Meric1837 on February 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Neither am I !
- 1991 Mercedes 560SEC
- 1974 Porsche 911 Cab
Both paid for – both done past the days of property tax – both in showroom condition.
I’m good.
jake-the-goose on February 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Take a break, dude, you must be tired by now…
karl9000 on February 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM
WHAT!?!?!?!
You mean to tell me he drives a car….i was under the impression that all Libs took the train with OBiden….
alexraye on February 23, 2009 at 3:14 PM
Ferris Buler runs the Treasury.
Frat boys…
RadioFreeUSA on February 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM
America first!
artist on February 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM
You know in the very last Seinfeld episode when the plane is going down? As the others are completely panicked, Kramer is singing, “Glory, glory hallelujah–I’m ready, I’m ready!” The plane does not actually crash! Come on–we just have to make it to 2010! And if we don’t, well…
Glory, glory hallelujah–I’m ready!
varnson on February 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM
I hate it when I feel twinges of jealousy.
myrenovations on February 23, 2009 at 3:18 PM
DeathToMedia actually said something negative about an Obamacrat?!? Will wonders never cease? Now, I can die happy.
College Prof on February 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Guess that disqualifies me for a cabinet level position. I own two Fords and I pay my taxes.
sdd on February 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM
I’m impressed that Summers still owns a 14-year-old car. Mazda, was it?
CLaFarge on February 23, 2009 at 3:19 PM
that should be a national commercial… the media is at war with America. and the auto industry and the national mortgage industry are just the first victims.
Kaptain Amerika on February 23, 2009 at 3:21 PM
The message that it really sends, you are missing, ed. The two guys noted are wealthy enough to own anything, yet the cars they supposedly own are not only “normal” but older. The people running our country consider driving cars beneath them, they are the self annointed elite that believe they are the only ones who can run this country. They don’t drive, they are chauffered.
peacenprosperity on February 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM
How embarassing…
Will we now hear that its unAmerican to buy American?
canditaylor68 on February 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM
They may own all those foreign cars, but let’s be honest, they all normally ride around in Lincoln Town Cars or Chevy Suburbans, owned by and fueled courtesy of taxpayers.
Dukeboy01 on February 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM
It sounds like they own reliable modest vehicles. The fact that they aren’t from American makers is a symptom of the problem. Outside of trucks, American vehicles just aren’t all that competitive.
And what constitutes an American car? A vehicle that’s made here, like my Honda, is in my opinion an American car. Made in America is more important to me than made by a company incorporated in America. It’s not as if Detroit has no international investors that profits (well, if they had any) would flow back to.
jonknee on February 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM
You usually bring forward great arguments, but really, don’t you think the unions created this unfortunate situation? The world has changed a lot since WWII, and just having the “Made in America” brand on cars is not good enough for people to buy them. Even the American car majors use tons of parts which are imported from China.
The President himself mentioned in a speech recently that we can never compete with labor prices in Bangladesh. It is repeating the obvious, but I think there are a lot of people who miss this valid point – you just have to rely on innovation to make our country prosperous, that’s what we have ALWAYS done in the past.
peter_griffin on February 23, 2009 at 3:25 PM
You’d think that Detroit could build cars if not as good as the Japanese and Germans then at least cheaper, but the Unions took care of that, and quality went out the window long, long ago. Some US designs are actually quite good, from the F-150 to the rather awesome (on paper) Cadillac CTS-V “Cadzilla.” But for roughly the same prices you can buy foreign equivalents that are at least as well thought-out (and usually better), and also adhere to higher standards of workmanship (even when they’re assembled here in the States with non-Union workers).
(As a footnote, Ford is on the right track with bringing its Euro-spec Fiesta to the states next year, a rather nicely-designed car that’s getting a fair share of buzz–however, its planned Mexican manufacturing is a tad worrisome. That should keep the production costs down, but when there are Honda Fits actually built in Japan available in the same “sporty” sub-compact class, is a grand or two more not worth the peace of mind?)
Simply put, the fact that the “Auto Bailout Team” drive imports is evidence that, if nothing else, they aren’t idiots. They don’t waste their own money on Detroit crap, and if they can pressure Detroit and the Unions to make cars that they themselves would want–i.e., with European or Japanese design smarts and/or Japanese quality–they’re at least on the right track (political questions aside).
Unfortunately, that would necessitate playing hardball with the UAW. And somehow I suspect that isn’t part of the “Hope and Change” agenda.
Blacklake on February 23, 2009 at 3:28 PM
You know… Ford owned, until just recently, controlling interest in Mazda. They’re still the largest single sharholder in the company. Additionally, the cross pollination of ideas and products between the 2 companies has gone back to the 70′s.
It’s not a big jump to consider Mazda to be an (almost) domestic manufacturer.
But then again, I’m a car nut, and actually pay attention to the goings on of the auto industry. I’d wager I probably have more knowledge than all of that panel combined… which highlights a major failing in having beaurocrats calling the shots in an industry they know nothinig about.
ExSubNuke on February 23, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Lots of “imports” are made domestically. But they’re assembled by non-Union workers using modern European and Japanese management and production models. Those are the real innovations that enhance quality and lower production costs, and they’re precisely the kind of things that the UAW fight against.
Blacklake on February 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM
So do I. Own a 2005 TSX, and it feels great!
peter_griffin on February 23, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Domestically owned, but free of UAW management shackles, since they manufacture primarily in Japan, and their management techniques remain Japanese. That’s the critical difference–not which nationality owns it, or even where assembly takes place, but how manufacturing (and design) is run.
Blacklake on February 23, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Too big to fail? More like, too heavy to prop up.
Tzetzes on February 23, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Good point. I have not followed this industry that closely – but at what point did the American sedans start losing their shine, and be tagged (in popular perception) as ones which cannot match up to their Japanese or German counterparts in terms of reliability?
peter_griffin on February 23, 2009 at 3:39 PM
I owned American cars for years.
The Malibu totally rusted it out and I can’t count the number of times I was on the side of the road with my Mustang (Found on the Road Dead).
Never again.
Of course, even if they become the finest vehicles available (as if that has a chance of happening), I won’t buy one as long as they’re manufactured by union scum, because their dues go to in part to support the absolutely worthless Democrat Party.
NoDonkey on February 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM
…murmurings of the little harp-girl’s song in Heinrich Heine’s 1844 poem “A Winter’s Tale”
Other than that it’s to each’s own. Choice is good. Just let the market sort it out.
Entelechy on February 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM
While we’re at it, let’s see how many bigwigs who work in the Department of Education (guffaw), send this kids to public schools.
That should be a real hoot.
Big talker on the wonders of public schools Obama sends his precious offspring to private schools.
At least Jimmy Carter was man enough to walk the walk on that one, Amy went to public schools. Not Chelsea or Obama’s girls.
NoDonkey on February 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Is Geithner an actor also?
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm318871552/ch0004990
roninacreage on February 23, 2009 at 3:46 PM
As I’ve said many times, the era of union busting began in earnest with Ronald Reagan as did a slashing of business tax rates (which should have made the cost of union labor more affordable) and in that era Detroit started to tank big time. The prospects of domestic production have worsened as unions have gotten less influence. And I’ll say it again, the problem is not wages, the problem is the healthcare that employers in this country are saddled with whereas Japan/Germany have national systems and their auto manufacturers just have to worry about making cars.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 23, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Yeah…let’s look at those economies now. You flailing here.
genso on February 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM
But what do their wives and/or girlfriends drive? I’d guess Mercedes and BMWs.
Brat on February 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM
The 2012 Pelosi GTxi SS/RT Sport Edition
HarneyPeak on February 23, 2009 at 3:50 PM
I’ve had Toyotas since 1971. You turn them on, they work. A number of years ago, it was 45 – 50 degrees centigrade below zero, my Corolla was 10 years old, and not plugged in (in Canada, you have a block heater to heat the engine in winter so the car will start) – so, 50 below, 10 year old car not plugged in and it starts like a charm.
Would a North America car do that? Hah! Besides there’s that old adage (it’s old by now) – “GM doesn’t know how to make cars”.
Gospel Moody on February 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM
The only way an auto bailout will work , is if GM, Ford, and Chrysler give the middle finger to Gettlefinger and the U.A.W. The union has manager to leverage the employer into bankruptcy, I say let them reap what they sow.
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on February 23, 2009 at 4:02 PM
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on February 23, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Was this supposed to be CAPITALIST? Just curious…
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM
I’ve made it a point all my adult life to buy American branded cars. (BTW, the cars have performed just fine, thank you.) But I’m starting to rethink this. Buying a foreign car assures that my money does not support the UAW who really are responsible for the collapse of GM and Chrysler (and can Ford be far behind). It’s a sad state of affairs that buying a Nissan made in the U.S. may be a more patriotic purchase than GM.
Christian Conservative on February 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM
I have had 3 consecutive Pontiac Grand Prix’s…and honestly, they’ve been problem free. Great cars….one even saved my life after I rolled over multiple times. That being said, when I buy another car it most likely will NOT be another Pontiac (I’ve heard they are phasing the Pontiac brand out). I love the G8 designs, and Pontiac and my local dealer have always done right by me…but I will switch to a Nissan Maxima rather than support the UAW. I can’t stand the arrogance of Gettlefinger and the GM leadership, and will vote with my dollar.
search4truth on February 23, 2009 at 4:12 PM
1986 was the year I quit buying UAW built cars. I have never looked back, nor felt any regret or guilt.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2009 at 4:16 PM
I haven’t bought an American car in my life. When I was much younger my family purchased an Eagle ad that thing was the biggest piece of junk that has ever rolled off of an assembly line. It was always in the shop and my mother finally got rid of it and bought a Toyota. She has been a fan of Japanese ever since. From what I hear the Big 3 have fixed the quality problem, but they need to fix the price problem before they can be a competitor again.
txaggie on February 23, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I was thinking the same thing. He could mean that he lives on or near the Capitol though.
txaggie on February 23, 2009 at 4:21 PM
When the press dug up the fact that Joe the Plumber was neither Joe, nor a plumber but that he was not in arrears with his child support payment, that was a Gestapo-like invasion of his privacy. Yet now you guys think nothing about digging up what kind of cars Geithner has and where they are registered. Double standards?
factoid on February 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM
At least with my Honda I don’t have to FixOrRepairDaily.
anniekc on February 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Joe isn’t a public servant, Timmy is.
OmahaConservative on February 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I can’t afford to buy a car, new or otherwise- American or foreign…but if I did, I’d slap an ‘I Voted For Obama’ bumper sticker on it so it wouldn’t get stolen. ;)
JoeySlippers on February 23, 2009 at 4:33 PM
I drive a Honda Civic. When the Big Three can make a car as reliable and economical, I’ll buy American. Until then, sayanora.
patriette on February 23, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I haven’t heard that. In terms of reliability and build quality Ford seems to be the best, but it’s still no match for Toyota, Honda, or Nissan. Most of the German marks (with the exception of Porsche) are generally less reliable than the Japanese, but in terms of engineering, performance, design and appointments they still tend to be a better value than American counterparts in the same classes and price ranges (and drive rings around most of their Japanese rivals).
I had the misfortune of driving a Dodge Calibre while my S4 was in the shop during the summer, and was amazed that, aside from the fact that steering wheel felt like a hollow piece of chincey plastic, it somehow managed to make itself feel like a much bigger car than it actually is. That’s quite a grotesque achievement. You’d never have that kind of experience in a Toyota.
Blacklake on February 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Factoid,
Are you actually suggesting that there should be a similar level of public scrutiny between a private citizen standing in his own front yard who asked a legitimate question of a politician and a public official who is responsible for overseeing trillions of dollars of public tax dollars during an economic crisis?
patriette on February 23, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Joe isn’t a public official granted enormous power to affect the long-term prospects of the American economy. If, for instance, he had been named to a high-level administrative position as Plumbing Czar you might have a point. But he was just some shmoe on the street asking a question during a political campaign. I believe you understand the difference. It’s not appropriate to vet every citizen who happens upon a rolling news camera. It is important to vet individuals who are granted sweeping federal powers.
Blacklake on February 23, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Interesting that Summers’ ride is a 14-year-old Mazda. I also commend him for the Ford Taurus; that’s a good and reliable auto.
Paul_in_NJ on February 23, 2009 at 4:47 PM
The wheels are falling off the UAW made Obama Clown Car which is fueled by bullcrap, apparently.
NoDonkey on February 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM
At least they have the good sense not to buy Union-Thug-Made American cars.
Too bad their populist pandering overrides that sense when it comes to policy making.
Maybe their committee slogan can be:
“Buy American, so we don’t have to!”
And dang, nothing like a committee to insure inaction or inept action, both of which can’t be traced back for accountability.
Montana on February 23, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Anyone notice a trend here?
NoDonkey on February 23, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Because we all know that Japanese/German auto companies have persuaded those governments to pay the health care costs of the US workers employed at their US plants here right? I’d love to know how that works… The biggest difference between foreign owned plants here in the US and the big three is Union labor and the huge cost incurred. Period. Full stop.
Dawnsblood on February 23, 2009 at 5:06 PM
I have a friend who refuses to buy non-American “on principle” as he puts it. It’s an interesting irony that the reason American car companies are in such a mess is precisely because of this attitude. Let me explain.
THE SETUP
In the 70′s American cars ruled the North American market. Everything else was junk by comparison. So the Japanese car makers realized that to make money they had to improve their product until it beat American product hands down. Only in this way could they garner sales. So they did, via 6-sigma quality optimization and other ingenious refinements developed for the purpose.
THE DIVERSION
Meanwhile, the American companies maintained business as usual, secure in the knowledge that Americans would always want to buy American, so they were not required to maintain a competitive edge in product quality.
THE STING
By the early 90′s the Japanese had thoroughly surpassed the Americans in factory technology, quality assurance, and customer service. It got to the point where only the diehard “Buy American” folks kept buying American cars unless there was a huge price differential. The Japanese were able to charge nearly double for their cars and still compete in sales.
THE MARK REALIZES HIS MISTAKE
Too late, the Big 3 began trying to catch up by copying Japanese production techniques (even down to the Japanese words used to describe them). They are now a solid 20 years behind, and they will probably never catch up.
THE SPOILS
Imagine: if it hadn’t been for “Buy American”, the forces of the free market would have forced American car makers to compete from the get-go. 6-sigma and many of the other Japanese innovations for quality control might have been American innovations instead, and the companies playing catch-up would be the Japanese to this day.
THE MORAL
Buy the best product. If American ingenuity is truly world class, that product will be American more often than not. Buying American for its own sake only sets American industry back by removing the driving force behind all of American success: fair competition.
Gaunilon on February 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM
I drive a 22 year old suv.
Why?
Because it still does what I need it to do.
I spent 40 years repairing Detroit’s messes, and came to the conclusion that the Japanese now make a better product.Sad commentary on Buy American, I guess.
The fact that several of these people drive elderly cars simply means that autos play little or no role in their lives.
That makes me feel quite confident they have the best interests of Detroit at heart./
irongrampa on February 23, 2009 at 5:17 PM
People buy foreign because they have $1500 or so more put into the quality of the vehicle because they don’t have the legacy costs associated with the big 3. That money has to come from somewhere in the vehicle. It’s not like they can just change the way they do business with the long term contract requirements they are burdened with.
LifeTrek on February 23, 2009 at 5:22 PM
First car I ever bought ~ at 16 ~ was a ’67 Ford Fairlane. She were schweet and built like a tank.
My favoritest American car I ever had was my ’74 American Motors Javelin. Bad ASS.
But a piece o’ $hit.
Even though the early Toyotas and Datsuns were rattling deathtraps, they STILL kicked the crapola out of anything Detroit had to offer, both gas mileage (Even/odd lic. days ring a bell…?) and endurance wise. My ’87 Pathfinder has 350K miles on it (and we had the confidence to buy it with 197K of that already), as well as turning a pretty penny when we finally sold the ’85 Toyota SR-5 4X4 (bought brand spanking new) just 3 years ago.
The only thing reMOTEly tempting lately has been that new Impala, but then we stumbled over a 6 year old E-430 with 45K that just took our breath away…for half the price. And a 100K warranty. Done deal.
tree hugging sister on February 23, 2009 at 5:23 PM
I believe that’s called “voting with your wallet”.
We need to be careful. Next thing you know, we’ll be FORCED to buy American cars.
hawksruleva on February 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM
My car and truck were built in the U.S.A.
From Japanese engineering diagrams.
Toyota.
Know why? Because at 200,000 miles, they’ll still be running, instead of heading for the scrapyard at 80,000 like the last Detroit P.O.S. I owned.
I don’t know why Toyotas are better made than Chevys, I just know that they are.
Mew
acat on February 23, 2009 at 5:41 PM
I don’t know why but it always surprizes me to read someone like you who totally bought the MSNBC media lies… I shouldn’t be surprized because Obama did win. But still you really believe the crap that is spewed. I just can’t believe people can be so dumb.
Try thinking on your own once in a while why don’t you. It’s actually quite fun when you get the hang of it.
petunia on February 23, 2009 at 6:14 PM
The only bad American cars I’ve owned were all made in Mexico plants…how’s that for irony.
Olds and Pontiac cars me and my family have owned have run just as long as the “Japanese” cars my friends owned. They’re cheaper to operate and maintain too.
I’ve owned Chevy Tahoe and Silverado truck products with 0 problems, defects, or issues. I gave my Dad a 1990 Chevy pickup I bought from a friend with over 185,000 miles. It was on it’s 2nd transmission (used to pull campers alot) but didn’t burn any oil and was tight as the day it was new. I guess it depends on the assembly plant…
Wyznowski on February 23, 2009 at 6:24 PM
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I bought my first (and last) new American build car in 1973–a Ford (Found On the Road Dead, or Fix and / Or Repair Daily). I needed a reliable economical car–the Pinto wagon looked good. It failed at random over the next 13 years–first stranded me at 500 miles in a midnight sandstorm. I had to carry tools and parts with me always, and no one else could drive or fix it.
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The used American cars (Chevy, Pontiac) weren’t much better. At 100,000 miles engines and transmissions were gone. The cars ran badly and gave poor gas mileage.
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The next cars were Hondas and Toyotas–great running economy cars–fun to drive–all went over 200,000 miles with very few problems. As an engineer and as the mechanic I really noted the better design and construction of the Japanese cars. Most all other people at work (a 100 mile daily round trip in the Southwest desert) had similar experiences.
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Roger Smith was the CEO of General Motors in the 1980′s. GM’s market share dropped by 25 percent (I think) during his tenure. J.D. Powers and Consumer’s Reports detailed the far lower quality of the G.M. cars. Smith was rewarded with a $12 million bonus for his “job well done”. Coach Tom Landry was fired by the Dallas Cowboys for doing a better job than Roger did!
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Now it’s Deja Vu all over again. The American Taxpayers will reward GM for doing a bad job. Hope and Change you can believe in!
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John Bibb
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rocketman on February 23, 2009 at 6:51 PM
I have 2 american cars (old dodge caravan) still running to this day..
I bought 1 toyota truck because it was the only 4 cylinder model i could find anywhere..
So americans are trying to buy american but a lot of this is due to the Big 3 decision to keep building
giant gas guzzling monsters when gas keeps climbing to new highs..
Oh yea right now gas is back down (but you just wait and soon it will jump all the way up)..
Detroit needs to start making real fuel efficient models,
if they can survive..
I tried all i could including emailing the morons running detroit..
they didnt listen so i had no choice..
jcila on February 23, 2009 at 6:52 PM
How about when the transportation secretary wanted motorcycles to have rear wheel steering.
Johan Klaus on February 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM
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