Glenn Beck: The end of America is nigh, maybe

posted at 4:18 pm on February 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

Even before watching this, if you’d asked me which media star’s most likely to turn survivalist, move to the mountains, and start doing his show from a lead-lined bunker, there’s no doubt what the answer would have been. There’s something “off” about Beck in a way that’s not true of other chat-show hosts, although that’s not necessarily a criticism: O’Reilly and Hannity can be tiresome in more than small doses but this guy I find watchable even at a stretch. Partly it’s the sheer bravado of the performance, partly it’s the challenge of trying to figure out what’s going on in his head to make him the way he is. As big an audience as he has, I’m surprised it’s not bigger. He’s one of a kind.

I’m giving you all three segments from yesterday’s show; if you’re only up for one, stick with number three. Nothing they’re saying is terribly implausible, frankly — except maybe the idea that in five years NYC will look like Mexico City or Baghdad — but because the tone of Beck’s show is always somewhat febrile, it’s hard to know how seriously to take any of it. Segment two, at least, is very serious indeed. If you’re hungry for dessert afterwards, try his appearance on Fox & Friends yesterday morning to promote this show, in which he talks about his hands shaking and frightens Gretchen into hiding under the couch. Like I say, one of a kind.

Update 2/22: A couple of lefty readers e-mailed to ask if I find any of this crap credible. Answer: No, except for the scenario sketched out in segment two about Iran targeting Saudi oil installations in the event of regional war. That’s why I singled it out as serious. I should have been more careful, though, in saying that nothing here is terribly implausible, which I wrote with the inflation bit at the beginning in mind. Segment three certainly is implausible; when I said it’s the one to watch, it’s because it’s nutty and most emblematic of that “lead-lined bunker” mentality. Apologies if that was ambiguous. I’m not stocking up on canned goods, I promise.



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RandyKowalski on February 22, 2009 at 12:55 PM

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genso on February 22, 2009 at 12:56 PM

The version of slavery practiced in North America was perhaps the single most violent and repressive version of slavery ever practiced anywhere on earth. It was however not by any stretch the only version of slavery ever practiced on earth.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM

I’d have to disagree. Slavery in North America was relatively tame compared to other parts of the world. South America comes to mind where new shipments of slaves were constantly coming in because the slaves were worked 24/7 until they died. Unlike US slaves they weren’t allowed to have family, own property, receive an education, congregate, were never freed by their owners and were beaten regularly. Considering the savagery and intolerance of the world, US slave owners forcing them to attend sunday school and assimilate was relatively light. My Irish ancestors received almost the same treatment except instead of being captured by fellow tribesmen and sold to Arab slave markets they were imprisoned for being Irish and shipped to America (and other countries) to work British farms as penalty.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Unlike US slaves they weren’t allowed to have family, own property, receive an education, congregate, were never freed by their owners and were beaten regularly

You’re a complete idiot and don’t know a single thing about the history of slavery in America.
1. Masters were against Christianizing their slaves until the antebellum era, that’s the mid 1800s. It was thought throughout the chesapeake and low country that if slaves were Christianized it would lead to rebellion.

2. Violence and intimidation were hallmarks of all slave systems in the U.S. Plantation diaries are really clear about the role of beatings to encourage “productivity” and prevent insubordination.

3. Literacy for black people was a CRIME in the U.S. south and those taught teaching slaves to read were punished.

4. Breeding was a widespread “specialty” and was the principal source for new slaves once the trans-atlantic trade was outlawed in 1809. You don’t know a SINGLE thing about American slaveyr, stop pretending you do.

And btw, it’s not the same thing as being taxed 40$% of your income.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM

they were imprisoned for being Irish and shipped to America (and other countries) to work British farms as penalty.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Come on now, you know that only persons of African descent were slaves in the New World.

thomasaur on February 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM

My Irish ancestors received almost the same treatment except instead of being captured by fellow tribesmen and sold to Arab slave markets they were imprisoned for being Irish and shipped to America (and other countries) to work British farms as penalty.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 1:24 PM

My Irish ancestors arrived here the same way, as indentured servants. Your point on the South America slave trader is well taken though. The point I was making however is that not all slaves were treated with such abject brutality. Throughout much of the Mediterranean world their were laws protecting slaves from abuse and cruelty.

The indentured servitude that our Irish ancestors suffered was a form of slavery. What is happening to lower and middle class Americans today bears a disturbing resemblance to that indentured servitude.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Oh and I forgot, you need to read the antebellum slave codes, it’s very clear what plantation owners felt about slaves congregating and owning property. God you’re just….DUMB!

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM

OMG the ignorance on this board about slavery is ASTOUNDING.
Everyone needs to read Ira Berlin’s Many Thousands Gone: The First Two Centuries of Slavery in North America. Once you’ve educated yourselves come back. I don’t think anyone here has read more than three books on American slavery. If so can you cite those books?

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

So tell me, how many years were you a slave.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM

So, I’m thinking GB is not too far off with these possibilities. If everyone would at least consider these scenarios possible, the reaction would be greatly lessened. If everyone were stocked up, even a little, there wouldn’t be the panic that would turn a glitch in the system into widespread panic, looting, civil unrest…

My family is preparing with stored food, necessities, ammo, generators, a garden this year, firewood… If something does happen, we won’t be panicking. Meanwhile, we carry on like the worst won’t happen – we run a small business and are moving forward for the upcoming season as usual.

Not crawling into the bunker yet! But happy to have one… And happy that Glenn Beck promotes the dialogue.

outwestdownsouth on February 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

My ancestors were indigenous to this land and I’m not whining about what happened to them. Get over it.

thomasaur on February 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM

I was never a slave, nor did I claim to be. What’s your point?

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I like Glen Beck. I like his tv stuff better then I like his radio stuff tho.

I think the critique on him comes across a little bit..I don’t know…maybe a bit ‘envious’.
Sounding more like jealousy that he has a personality while bloggers and ‘writers’ often come across like those dweebs on that ‘aint it cool’ site.

Alot of ‘wah wah wah’.

‘jus sayin..

Handel on February 22, 2009 at 1:44 PM

My ancestors were indigenous to this land and I’m not whining about what happened to them. Get over it.

thomasaur on February 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I’m not “whining” about what happened. I’m correcting historical innacuracies. Would you be fine if people started making lies up about the history and claiming that Europeans brought indigenous people over here and therefore they never had any claim to the land, or some other such silliness. It is flat out, 100% wrong that slaves had the right to own property, had the right congregate, had the right to learn to read and were treated “equally” with Irish indentures. That’s 100% false, especially since European indenture goes out of fashion very quickly after Bacons Rebellion of the 1670s. God…the ignorance…

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM

I’m not “whining” about what happened. I’m correcting historical innacuracies
DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:45 PM

“Never argue with an idiot, people may have trouble telling the two of you apart”.

thomasaur on February 22, 2009 at 1:53 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM

You’re a complete idiot and don’t know a single thing about the history of slavery in America.

1. Masters were against Christianizing their slaves until the antebellum era, that’s the mid 1800s. It was thought throughout the chesapeake and low country that if slaves were Christianized it would lead to rebellion.

Yes, that’ why the history of (non-Spanish) America from its very beginnings is replete with slaves being sympathized with, educated and christianized. Go ahead and ignore the truth.

2. Violence and intimidation were hallmarks of all slave systems in the U.S. Plantation diaries are really clear about the role of beatings to encourage “productivity” and prevent insubordination.

Yes, because everyone knows a scarred up broken man is going to be VERY productive. See the illogical aspect of your argument is that even if the Americans were soulless beasts destroying their expensive property would be financially unsound. While there are always exceptions to rules most people don’t beat their horse. And this ignores most slave-holding Americans were fervent Christians who were born slaveholders and abhorred the institution!

3. Literacy for black people was a CRIME in the U.S. south and those taught teaching slaves to read were punished.

Wait, then how did illiterate slaves write those diaries you love reading?!? It happened all the time. Most slave owners took an active role in educating slaves. It wasn’t until slave revolts by educated slaves in the states and every white person in Haiti being slaughtered that it was seen as an unwise activity.

4. Breeding was a widespread “specialty” and was the principal source for new slaves once the trans-atlantic trade was outlawed in 1809. You don’t know a SINGLE thing about American slaveyr, stop pretending you do.

Yes, I should defer to your vast wisdom and knowledge since you lived through that perilous age. Your ignorance and lack of logic is astounding. And telling me to shut up is the greatest evidence. In fact, its a total waste of time to argue with you. I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m just going to ignore him from now on. In all his posts I haven’t found one solid argument or shred of logic. I’m skipping his posts. Why can’t DailyKos send us someone with actual facts to debate?

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM
The point I was making however is that not all slaves were treated with such abject brutality. Throughout much of the Mediterranean world their were laws protecting slaves from abuse and cruelty.

I concede the point. Many nations were compassionate to the slaves they held in bondage. I would go so far to say that most forms of slavery throughout history have been rather benign. Benign evil, but benign none the less. The ancient Greeks come to mind.

The indentured servitude that our Irish ancestors suffered was a form of slavery. What is happening to lower and middle class Americans today bears a disturbing resemblance to that indentured servitude.

Once again I agree totally. Bondage to the government is the same as bondage to another man. Probably worse. Man has a soul. Government does not.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 2:02 PM

OMG the ignorance on this board about slavery is ASTOUNDING.
Everyone needs to read Ira Berlin’s Many Thousands Gone: The First Two Centuries of Slavery in North America. Once you’ve educated yourselves come back. I don’t think anyone here has read more than three books on American slavery. If so can you cite those books?

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Ah yes, the perpetual outrage. We are fighting a present evil not one long since gone.

True_King on February 22, 2009 at 2:02 PM

Got to agree. Find Beck fascinating to watch even when I don’t understand what he’s saying. All those gestures and facial expressions and little side ‘chuckles’ for lack of a better word. He’s a showman for sure.

jeanie on February 22, 2009 at 2:05 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM

I thought you were going to leave this site for a while.

Disturb the Universe on February 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Oh, my….I didn’t realize the scope of your knowledge. Let me clarify. I didn’t realize that you knew so little about so much. You gotta quit reading the Dem talking points and Wiki. Your statements about literacy and slaves are laced with half-truths and backed by the least objective evidence but the broader point is that you are not pulling off the hoax of being so well read and knowledgeable. Did you believe Alexrod when he told you how smart you are. Ha….I guess he fooled you as well.

Are you really paid to come here? I see no other reason for you being here. Do you and your masters know that you are not changing any minds here with your lame arguments? Instead your arguments are only convincing people who read them that liberalism is an unnatural mindset and steeling them against your POV. You would do well not to keep poking a stick into the bear cage. But…as evidenced by the less than stellar performance by your overlord and since you get your inspiration from him, I’m sure you just can’t help yourself.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:07 PM

My ancestors were indigenous to this land and I’m not whining about what happened to them. Get over it.
thomasaur on February 22, 2009 at 1:43 PM

‘Whining’ =/= getting owned on historical matters, dinosaur. And by a liberal dingbat no less.

Dark-Star on February 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM

Yes, that’ why the history of (non-Spanish) America from its very beginnings is replete with slaves being sympathized with, educated and christianized. Go ahead and ignore the truth.

If you’re only point had been that slaves were treated, comparatively, better than in Spanish/French America then you wouldn’t be a moron. However you went on to claim that slaves had access to property and were encouraged to read, totally false. I’d love to go point by point but you’ve declared that you’re not reading my posts so why bother. I’d suggest the following reading however
Ira Berlin, Many Thousands Gone
James Oaks, Slaves and Masters
Eugene Genovese, Roll Jordan Roll
Michael Gomez, Exchanging Our Country Marks
Eric Foner, Reconstruction
Thats just to get started…not sure why people keep taking on a trained American historian when it comes to American history. I don’t try and lecture you people on how to build a car or something, jeez.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM

‘Whining’ =/= getting owned on historical matters, dinosaur. And by a liberal dingbat no less.

Dark-Star on February 22, 2009 at 2:08 PM

It’s the truth…and hey! :)

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I thought you were going to leave this site for a while.

Disturb the Universe on February 22, 2009 at 2:06 PM

I couldn’t stay away, it’s possibly a drug like addiction…

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:13 PM

I found this freeper post, linked to the UK Guardian, about Stanford and his relation to the Gulf drug cartel and the mayhem in Mexico of interest: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2191444/posts

One of the commenters had further information about Stanford’s history of questionable activity, to put a fine point on it.

How much of the financial meltdown is related to drug cartels? The reason that I ask is that Soros and his political buddies believe in decriminalizing drugs and in one-world government.

onlineanalyst on February 22, 2009 at 2:17 PM

How much of the financial meltdown is related to drug cartels? The reason that I ask is that Soros and his political buddies believe in decriminalizing drugs and in one-world government.

onlineanalyst on February 22, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Ultimately, the links will be made….hopefully before it is too late.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Drug cartels caused a speculative bubble in the housing market. God NOTHING is the fault of the people who are actually involved in the financial industry. It’s everyone else’s fault isn’t it. Is this how your side feels when people make excuses for black crime rates?

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM

And speaking of drugs, seems drug legalization is more popular than all of the GOP in Congress and George Bush.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/marijuana_legalization_more_popular_than_key_conservative_leaders.php

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM

How much of the financial meltdown is related to drug cartels? The reason that I ask is that Soros and his political buddies believe in decriminalizing drugs and in one-world government.

onlineanalyst on February 22, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Glenn Beck had a Sheriff on a few days ago who alluded to the fact that many politicians in DC are getting payoffs by these drug cartels. I wouldn’t be surprised if the financial sector isn’t the only one with a hand in the coca cookie jar.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Do you honestly believe that only those of your party are not corrupt? You hold the GOP responsible for most everything. Is there corruption in the DEM party? If so, why do you have such faith in your leaders? You are again being an insincere bore.

Or is it that corruption is ok with you so long as it achieves its desired goals. Hmmmm…very pragmatic of you.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Or is it that corruption is ok with you so long as it achieves its desired goals. Hmmmm…very pragmatic of you.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM

You don’t read my posts if you think that I have any faith in the Democrat party.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM

So you thought that Bush was a king, not a President when he had both legislative houses too?
DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Bush was a disaster. Kudos for preventing another attack but other than that, he really screwed us up. Unfortunately, President Obama will be even worse.

True_King on February 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Then please explain your lust to defend their every philosophy. You are intellectually dishonest in your approach to every argument you make. You argue the minutia while ignoring the real debate. If you think that your party is corrupt then argue a broader viewpoint instead of repeating talking points.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM

not sure why people keep taking on a trained American historian when it comes to American history. I don’t try and lecture you people on how to build a car or something, jeez.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM

You are a Historian…. No wonder America is sooooooo screwed.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 2:33 PM

You are a Historian…. No wonder America is sooooooo screwed.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 2:33 PM

He’s writing it as we speak. To the victors goes the history. ;)

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Then please explain your lust to defend their every philosophy

It’s frustrating. Dems mouth progressive words, but their actions don’t reflect that. As a result they make leftist philosophy seem ridiculous. Perhaps you’re confusing what I say with Democrats, that’s fair. But I’m NOT a Dem. The first Democrat I voted for was Obama and that was primarily because I couldn’t resist the history of it all (yes I’m a brotha and no I’m not ashamed that it made me proud). I’m much more on the Jeremiah Wright spectrum of ideology (prepared for shitstorm) than I am for anything the Democrats do.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM

He’s writing it as we speak. To the victors goes the history. ;)

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM

There’s a reason most historians are on the leftist side of the aisle, we actually KNOW the history of this country. It’s an amazing and heroic history, but to pretend that this nation is some kind of “city on a hill” any different from the ugliness of other nations is to believe in American myths, not American history.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I just got done watching Beck’s “what if” show that was broadcast on Foxnews this weekend. Wow, just WOW!!

He is doing a follow up segment on Monday night with one of the guests. I have the DVR set.

karenhasfreedom on February 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM

You have shown to be irrelevant since I’ve been reading your remarks. This statement reveals the reason for it. Your ideology is sick and sickening. You won’t ever get what you want politically so you might as well start the revolution. I owe you nothing and will resist every attempt that is made to extract what you think is owed to you. As to your history, it is warped to your way thinking and has no value in truth.

But, I admire you for finally making your true presence apparent. You are an agitator of half-truths and disrespect and you will find no harbor here. I hope that everyone who has tried to have debate with you now understands who it is they are debating.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM

There’s a reason most historians are on the leftist side of the aisle, we actually KNOW the history of this country.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Complete and utter bullshit. No, you are on the left because you are brain dead imbeciles.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 2:44 PM

DeathtoMediaHacks,

“If you’ve ever argued that the Democrats are “elitist” then you’re being totally hypocritical here.”
I never made this claim.

As for the fundraising, if this was something that was legit why didn’t McCain and the GOP push that story everytime they were on television instead of Bill Ayers?

Let’s ignore Ayers for a moment, even though most of us recognize that the only difference betweenAyers and TimMcVeigh is that McVeigh was a better bomb builder). The McCain campaign team was inept, clueless and out of touch. I hated him as a candidate and I hate his handlers for blowing the election. I know you post here regularly, did you not read the many features on the questionable credit card donations? There are many:

1) http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/19/newsmax-drops-another-long-report-on-obamas-shifty-online-donations/
2) http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/29/team-obama-deliberately-avoided-credit-card-security-checks/
3) http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/26/wapo-notices-the-contribution-fraud-at-team-obama-but-misses-the-real-question/
4) http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/01/must-read-ken-timmerman-on-obamas-unreported-campaign-donations/


I love your logic.
1. Accuse the other side of slavery
2. Other side says, you’re not slaves.
3. Claim that black people aren’t slaves too!
LOL, whatever.

I didn’t bring up the slavery topic in this thread. I’m friggin’ tired of hearing people whining about something that happened centuries ago. I grew up in a mostly black town, the high school I attended is currently 95% black, I’ve been involved in the black music world for decades. I am well aware of black issues. Forward-thinking blacks are tired of slackers using the race card and throwing “slavery” into the mix. It’s a tired argument, one that I didn’t even bring up.

Examples please? And can you actually give examples that can’t be reduced to “I didn’t agree with what the people in power did.” Not agreeing with our leaders doesn’t mean we’re “enslaved” by them. You see the word “slavery” has an actual meaning and a history. It’s a little insulting that you’re characterizing being in the political minority as slavery, it’s just…not.

Taking my tax payments and giving them to people that bought houses they couldn’t afford is a form of ‘slavery’. I am working for the money, someone else is redistributing it. Having to work four months before my income actually goes to my family instead of the government, that is financial ‘slavery.’

I’ve seen no evidence that Obama is a radical socialist. I happen to KNOW radical socialists and they are not happy with Obama right now. Do you know anyone who idenifies as a “radical socialist.” Have you ever read Marx? I honestly don’t think you know what these words mean…

This stuns me. Perhaps you need to open your eyes? Why did Obama go to Chicago in the first place? He’s not from there. He was mentored by a communist (Frank Davis), was an affirmative action candidate into Harvard sponsored by a socialist, and he went to CHicago to be part of SAul Alinsky’s community organizing mindset. Please check out the series at http://ibdeditorials.com/series8.aspx. Or check out some of my short videos on the subject if you don’t have time to read the 20 or so articles at IBD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tddfiG70pQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KNBYgx4-Ao

So you thought that Bush was a king, not a President when he had both legislative houses too?

You just don’t get it. Bush had plenty of opposition, and had Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to deal with. He also had an extremely critical press, and was the laughing stock of every late night talk show and almost all of hollywood. Obama has been on more magazine covers than hollywood stars lately. Can you not see how he is on a pedestal??? IF not, you clearly should step away from the voting booth. Can you at least acknowledge that he is getting incredibly favorable treatment from hollywood and the press?

I wish I could continue, but I’m going to be on planes and in airports for the rest of today. Thanks for responding and continuing the discussion.

cannonball on February 22, 2009 at 2:45 PM

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Read his 2:35pm response to me and you will see who you are dealing with.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Read his 2:35pm response to me and you will see who you are dealing with.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:45 PM

ROTFLMAO… Oh I figured out who and what I was talking to a long time before that.. What we have here is nothing less than a black David Dukes.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Lord….the drama…..

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM

ROTFLMAO… Oh I figured out who and what I was talking to a long time before that.. What we have here is nothing less than a black David Dukes.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 2:49 PM

You got one on me. I honestly thought he was a paid hack.

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Lord….the drama…..

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Would that be Lord Wright…or Lord Obama? Certainly not the Lord of Israel. Maybe Allah?

genso on February 22, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I wasn’t going to respond to the responses to my post from early this morning, but DeathToMediaHacks seems to have hijacked the thread and gone off on some specious argument about slavery. Time to get things back on-topic, I guess.
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If you have a beef with something Beck is saying, can you be specific here and point it out? I seriously doubt you can, which makes all of your arguments moot.

cannonball on February 22, 2009 at 10:06 AM

No beef whatsoever with what Beck’s saying. My beef is in the manner and style that he uses to say what he’s saying. Glenn is utilizing the age-old method that Libs/Dems/Progs have used for four or five decades: The sky is falling! He also plays the “what if” game to the extreme, another far Left tactic.

I’ve watched the Dems/Libs/Progs play these games every single time they wanted to ram legislation through that suited their agenda, from environmental causes to anti-war causes to even smoking taxation, and of course, to raising taxes. Everything becomes a crisis, and every Liberal doomsayer crawls out of the woodwork. Obama is a prime example of every single one of these tactics, because he had a humongous spending bill he wanted to get passed, and the only way to do it at the level he was going for was to make the rest of us scared to death of the impending (he said) collapse of our nation and economy.

He spent days scaring us half to death with the notion that each moment we delayed enacting his stimulus plan millions more would become unemployed and the economic collapse would be far worse than it could be if the stimulus plan were in place right away. Then Barry goes off on a four day weekend holiday, with an attitude that the signing of the passed bill could just wait until he was done having his Valentine’s weekend fling with his wife. Some crisis, huh?

Glenn Beck uses the same tactics. Well, we can play ‘what if’ games until the end of time, and over the next thousands of years every single prediction, from economic disasters to depressions to recessions to even major meteors falling from the sky, will eventually happen. But looking back over the past 50 years, how many dire predictions have we heard and waited to happen, only to watch the ‘date certain’ come and go with no actual occurrence?

Remember that a portion of California was going to drop off into the Pacific Ocean? Remember how many ‘end of the world’ predictions came and went? How many more are we waiting on now? Wasn’t Armageddon, the various predictors of which included the bible and even Nostradamus, supposed to result in worldwide nuclear war in 1999?

There were so many predictions during my 60 years of lifetime, with dire consequences that didn’t come true, including a new ice age, that I’ve come to completely discount anyone making such predictions. Glenn Beck is simply another ‘prophet of doom’ in my assessment.

The only thing he’s dead-on about, as my SO rightly points out, is what’s happening to Mexico and our southern border. But that’s not a “what if” scenario. It is, in fact, already happening, and anyone with half a brain could see the things that Beck is seeing in that regard.

Yes, we’re stockpiling a reasonable amount of stuff as well, just in case the worst case scenarios do happen. But there’s ample indicators that it’s the wisest thing to do, from inflation heating up (better to buy durable products or products with long shelf lives) which makes it smart to buy with today’s current dollars which are temporarily worth more and can buy more, and other smart actions to prepare for the foreseeable future’s economic downturn.

But anyone who has lived through past recessions and layoffs and such, who has learned the lessons of history, would do the same. Heck, I had to walk away from my home in 1992 when it was so devalued during that recession that the mortgage was thousands more than its value, with no hope of recovering the equity. After losing our businesses as well, the only thing to do was abandon ship and start over fresh.

Having been there and done that and owning several T-shirts, I’ve learned how to survive and start over. The last thing I think that’s needed in this current economic “crisis” is people running around like Chicken Little, spewing dire predictions and scaring people into taking rash and ill-thought-out actions.

Reasonable discussions and intelligent planning and actions are what’s needed. Sorry, I don’t intend to end up like Gretchen Carlson, hiding under the coffee table because I’ve been scared so badly and expect the sky to fall any minute.

Glenn Beck has a new TV show that needs to get good ratings for his show to continue to charge premium advertising dollars to make it a financial success for Fox. Whatever Glenn has to do to make that happen, that’s what he’ll do. If that makes me seem cynical, so be it. I call it being pragmatic.

I’m not a Democrat or Liberal because I despise their tactics and means of keeping people cowed and voting for them. By the same token, I won’t allow Glenn Beck’s use of those same tactics to reduce me to a quivering mass of scared hysterical mush, like it did to Gretchen.

Effective communication, intelligent discussions concerning the current events and ‘crises’, and intelligent and rational planning, followed up by reasonable common sense actions to deal with them, are the things that, historically, work the most effectively long term.

Bottom line: You won’t find my picture posted on Glenn Beck’s wall. Obama globe-trots to find the mindless adoring crowds to feed his ego. Glenn Beck, although hailing from the opposite end of the political spectrum, also has his adoring crowds, only he won’t have to globe-trot to find them. They’re already there, tacked on his wall, where all he has to do is swivel in his chair to gaze out on them. Bleah!

KendraWilder on February 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM

If we still treat black people so bad, why would you not want to go back to Africa? Beacuse the wars? Rape? Disease? Lack of food? Murder? Lack of money?

Larry Elder had a caller one day. He said to the person if you want to go back because it’s so bad here he would help them. Pay for the ticket and even raised money for the person to live over there. He never heard back from the idiot.

It’s for this reason I tune out the people that see us as so bad. No matter what we do it’s never good enough. Good luck with getting what you SOME of you people want. It won’t fly. My ancestors were killed by the “white man.” I don’t ask for handouts. I don’t want to be a leech(sp?) and I darn sure don’t want my money going to people who won’t get up off the couch and try to make something for themselves.

roopster217 on February 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM

KendraWilder on February 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM

I disagree in that Obama spreads fear and doubt to gain further control of the government. Beck speaks about his fears. His only agenda is to alert people and spread the word. In his wargaming show, playing right now on FoxNews, he repeatedly says his fears aren’t probable but possible. Thats a huge difference from the “do what I say or the planet implodes” fear-mongering of Obama. Glenn may be warning of of impending doom more than other media talents, but does that illustrate his problem or theirs?

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Glenn Beck has a new TV show that needs to get good ratings for his show to continue to charge premium advertising dollars to make it a financial success for Fox. Whatever Glenn has to do to make that happen, that’s what he’ll do. If that makes me seem cynical, so be it. I call it being pragmatic.

KendraWilder on February 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Pragmatic is what it definitely is not. Glen Beck is an entertainer, nothing more. Some people like a good scare that’s why they ride roller coasters or watch horror movies. The genuine pragmatic approach would be to watch if that’s your kind of entertainment or not watch if it’s not. What it definitely would not do is get worked up or excited about something you don’t care about, since doing so would be a useless waste of energy.

doriangrey on February 22, 2009 at 3:17 PM

The first end of the world I remember was the Cuban Missile Crisis. My dad had can food and sleeping bags in a paved crawl space at our house. In school we had drills kneeling on the floor head covered (?) from the nuclear attack. There have been a series of doomsday scenarios since that I have ignored. I have a friend who bought a pallet of MRE’s during Y2K, I wonder if he is wishing he had not forced himself to eat them all. Usually it is the media hyping this stuff but even if it were real this time they won’t see it because they are blinded by their adulation of the President and his leadership. I am not quite sure that I believe in what Mr. Beck is saying but I must admit that I am making plans and purchases that I never would have considered before. So I guess I am just this side of crazy.

Cindy Munford on February 21, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Check out the “trailor” for the book “God’s War on Terror” by Walid Shoebat which makes the case for Islam being the Antichrist’s platform.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLeRFwY3SDs

VinceP1974 on February 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Deathtomediahacks is one angry dude…i mean HATE filled…everywhere he surfaces there is venom spewed…can not be a happy existance!

winston on February 22, 2009 at 3:26 PM

A shepherd sees a wolf hungrily eyeing his herd of sheep. If he warns the others and the wolf doesn’t strike the shepherd is called a fool. If the wolf strikes, the shepherd is called a sage. The shepherd cares for his flock, not praise or scorn. Either way the wolf is out there and Glenn is willing to be the fool.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 3:29 PM

“There’s something “off” about Beck in a way that’s not true of other chat-show hosts, although that’s not necessarily a criticism: O’Reilly and Hannity can be tiresome in more than small doses but this guy I find watchable even at a stretch. Partly it’s the sheer bravado of the performance, partly it’s the challenge of trying to figure out what’s going on in his head to make him the way he is.”

Obviously, Glenn Beck is a liberal.

percysunshine on February 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM

There’s a reason most historians are on the leftist side of the aisle, we actually KNOW the history of this country.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM

So, you are a history professor?

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 4:04 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM

So, your reason for voting for Obama was because he was black?

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 4:08 PM

I’m much more on the Jeremiah Wright spectrum of ideology (prepared for shitstorm) than I am for anything the Democrats do.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM

So, you are the pot calling the kettle black.

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Death:

My God, I do not believe you are babbling about American history. And how bad we are. Oh yessss, the left knows just how bad we suck. etc.

Gag me.

I have ancestors that were black, Cherokee, Irish, English and German.

The problem with morons like you is that you are not only morally superior and judgmental, you are incapable of keeping events in the context of their times.

Tell me, do you think the original inhabitants of Haiti were French speaking Africans? Or that Brazilians were black and spoke Portugese?

The truth is that only about 5% of the slavery in the world in Colonial times was even in North America. And while the Brits outlawed slavery before the United States did, they had no problem supporting the Confederates in the Civil War.

And btw, the Confederates were by and large Democrats.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM

As for the history of this country, let us compare with the rest of the world. After all, we have no shortage of people who have been willing to risk their lives to come to this place. Maybe deathtomediahacks would like to trade places with one of them and let someone live here who might really appreciate it.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 4:13 PM

Oh yes, Jeremiah Wright. He is wealthy, he lives off his people like a tic off a dog and then he whines about how evil America is. The man is a fraud and a parasite.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM

As for historians and Jeremiah Wright, the man thought that that December 7 was the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima.

What an idiot. yep, that is death to media hack’s kind of history. The kind you get wrong and make up.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 4:17 PM

LOL good one percysunshine. From reading some of these posts looks like some of Hannity & Bill-O’s fans are worried about Beck too.

Earlier posters mentioned the Kelo decision – if that doesn’t scare you senseless, might want to schedule a brain scan.

More regarding Kelo: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/02/15/over-3-1-2-years-after-i-kelo-i-ruling-new-london-paper-contrives-reason

Attacks against property rights continue against Texas, New Jersey, Florida, California, Missouri

- see details at http://www.castlecoalition.org.
Click on “castlewatch” on the left.

To the posters questioning Obama’s socialist/marxist goals check this out.

COMMUNIST GOALS (1963)

1-U.S. acceptance of co-existance >> hammond1955b as the only alternative to atomic war.

2-U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3-Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4-Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5-Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6-Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7-Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8-Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9-Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10-Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11-Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12-Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13-Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14-Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15-Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16-Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17-Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18-Gain control of all student newspapers. (Campus Progress is funded by George Soros–my emphasis)

19-Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20-Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

Recognize us???

The remainder of the list can be read at http://gto7.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/communist-goals-1963/

And to the poster(I don’t have the patience go back to see who it is) harping on Glenn Beck for utilizing the screeching left’s tactics, you’re being silly or obtuse or stupid.

Wouldn’t it be SWEEEEET if we could meet the opposition on our terms and have civilized discussions about serious matters. Face reality, it isn’t going to happen…not now…not ever.

We have to take the battle where the battle rages, to the streets, and quit whining about processes and rules. GET A GRIP, GET IN THE GAME OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Now the clouds part and we see the TRUE SKY. Deathtomediahacks is a follower of the so called Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a hypocrite of the first order. “Death” has NO credibility and we should not pay ANY attention to him now or in the future. Deathtorevisionisthistoryhack is more like it. Go back to KOS where you belong.

RandyKowalski on February 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM

Drug cartels caused a speculative bubble in the housing market. God NOTHING is the fault of the people who are actually involved in the financial industry. It’s everyone else’s fault isn’t it. Is this how your side feels when people make excuses for black crime rates?

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 2:20
PM

Let’s see, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, and Isn’t it worth noting that Democratic Rep. Maxine Waters insisted, “we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines”?, “The top three U.S. senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were Democrats and No. 2 is Sen. Barack Obama.” , and numerous threats and lawsuits to force banks to make risky loans, just to name a few.

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 4:25 PM

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM

Nah, not possible. The democrat party and education could never be taken over by……

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Deathtorevisionisthistoryhack is more like it. Go back to KOS where you belong.

RandyKowalski on February 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM

DeathToEveryoneThat’sNotBlack is more like it.

thomasaur on February 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Democrats took control of Congress back in 2006. So far as I can tell, they did nothing to stop, get in front of, or prepare the country for the financial meltdown. In fact whenever Bush or McCain tried to talk about reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they were treated like bigots.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 4:46 PM

If anyone is interested in looking at what is happening in the world and especially in the Middle East from a Biblical perspective, check out Joel Roesnberg’s website:

http://www.joelrosenberg.com

He has written books on the end times and shows how the United States will not be a part of the war in the Middle East during those times. Whether you are a Chistian or not, it is worth looking at.

Stacey on February 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I spelled his name wrong in the comment, but I spelled it correctly on the link…sorry!

Stacey on February 22, 2009 at 4:48 PM

DTMH – this might be a good time in which to take a deep breath and renew your anti-depressant.

If you’re not just another wild-eyed KOSKID troller, your anger and energy should be re-directed from the long-dead slave-owners in this country to those living in horrific circumstances who could use your help.

Go to http://www.ijm.org/?gclid=CMXevfeL8ZgCFRhhnAodrBR40w

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 4:57 PM

thomasaur on February 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM

Yeah inclduing my white boyfriend and God son and his parents. Hate them all! LOL you’re so silly.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 4:33 PM

While we sat around thinking naaaaaah they can’t be doing what we think they’re doing can they(?) Well, indded they did.

And now faux conservatives want us to make nice and be polite and discuss discuss discuss as Rome is burning and smiley face socialists pretend their goal is merely to help the downtrodden and needy. Hurl.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 5:06 PM

DTMH – in reality means “death to all who don’t think like me” – typical leftist.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 5:09 PM

What do I consider “rich” or “wealthy” I’ll say a networth of a million dollars.

Now before you start squawking and squealing and saying “but Obama says thats 250,000″ I don’t think that only “rich” people should pay taxes. So maybe that will clear all that up. The middle class should have to pay taxes too and 39%, as it was under Clinton, seems fair.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Huckster dude,

Do you realize you can’t even distinguish between net worth and income? Typical liberal. Not only do you lack the ability to reason or use logic, you also have no clue about the basics of income and taxes.

angryed on February 22, 2009 at 5:12 PM

And further more Huckster, it is 39.6% which is rounded to 40%. But since you most likely are part of the 50% of Americans whose tax rate is 0%, I can understand why you wouldn’t know the difference.

angryed on February 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM

Yeah inclduing my white boyfriend and God son and his parents. Hate them all! LOL you’re so silly.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 5:05 PM

You are not dating a student , are you?

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 5:25 PM

For those of you who think that Glenn is not sincere, you are very wrong. He believes, but he is hoping that he is wrong.
He also has lots of people on who don’t believe him, but you notice he does not take crap from dems and those who fight against him. If they go off on their talking points he cuts them off. Blessed!

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM You go gal.

If you could see what is happening in our schools you would be amazed. That’s what happened to Canada – they got to the schools and taught the kids their liberal way of doing things. Thank goodness Harper is the PM now. But he does have a liberal government. Why do we think the Universities are hot beds of liberalism – those who can do, those who can’t teach. OK, my husband teaches at a University, but none of this liberal crap.

Bambi on February 22, 2009 at 5:29 PM

You’re a complete idiot and don’t know a single thing about the history of slavery in America.
1. Masters were against Christianizing their slaves until the antebellum era, that’s the mid 1800s. It was thought throughout the chesapeake and low country that if slaves were Christianized it would lead to rebellion.

2. Violence and intimidation were hallmarks of all slave systems in the U.S. Plantation diaries are really clear about the role of beatings to encourage “productivity” and prevent insubordination.

3. Literacy for black people was a CRIME in the U.S. south and those taught teaching slaves to read were punished.

4. Breeding was a widespread “specialty” and was the principal source for new slaves once the trans-atlantic trade was outlawed in 1809. You don’t know a SINGLE thing about American slaveyr, stop pretending you do.

And btw, it’s not the same thing as being taxed 40$% of your income.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 22, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Also, the first gun control laws were aimed at keeping them disarmed.

Yakko77 on February 22, 2009 at 5:38 PM

Also, the first gun control laws were aimed at keeping them disarmed.

Yakko77 on February 22, 2009 at 5:38 PM

That nasty second amendment. “The constitution must be changed”, ” Wealth must be redistributed”.

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Bambi on February 22, 2009 at 5:29 Why do we think the Universities are hot beds of liberalism

Bambi, therein lies the rub.

Too many public schools are swamps of mediocrity, pubescent sexuality and adolescent rage. School buses and schools themselves are temporary prisons where children are attacked, groped, bullied and worse. The universities spoon feed and indoctrinate our children and then give them worthless “degrees” in return for tens of thousands in investment.

I’m glad to know your husband doesn’t teach the liberal crap. God knows there is too much of it already.

If we don’t attack the leftist machine run by the earthly incarnation of Satan himself, George Soros, we are as doomed as the rest of the world.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM

Now the clouds part and we see the TRUE SKY. Deathtomediahacks is a follower of the so called Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a hypocrite of the first order. “Death” has NO credibility and we should not pay ANY attention to him now or in the future. Deathtorevisionisthistoryhack is more like it. Go back to KOS where you belong.

RandyKowalski on February 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM

The KOSKIDS are restless today, must be the moon.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 5:54 PM

If we still treat black people so bad, why would you not want to go back to Africa? Beacuse the wars? Rape? Disease? Lack of food? Murder? Lack of money?

Larry Elder had a caller one day. He said to the person if you want to go back because it’s so bad here he would help them. Pay for the ticket and even raised money for the person to live over there. He never heard back from the idiot.

It’s for this reason I tune out the people that see us as so bad. No matter what we do it’s never good enough. Good luck with getting what you SOME of you people want. It won’t fly. My ancestors were killed by the “white man.” I don’t ask for handouts. I don’t want to be a leech(sp?) and I darn sure don’t want my money going to people who won’t get up off the couch and try to make something for themselves.

roopster217 on February 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM

Right on roopster. DTMH (death to dissenters) is just screeching more leftist hating whitey garbage. Got to blame somebody, might as well be whitey. Can’t possibly take personal responsibility or be accountable. Must be somebody else’s fault, right? It’s WHITEY!

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 6:01 PM

I have ancestors that were black, Cherokee, Irish, English and German.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM

we may be related!

right4life on February 22, 2009 at 6:08 PM

I have ancestors that were black, Cherokee, Irish, English and German.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Whoa; you admit to having German relatives? “You can always tell a German, you just can’t tell him much”.

Johan Klaus on February 22, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Any way to filter the socialist hack’s so we don’t have to keep skipping over the miles of revisionist communist babel or can they be grouped so that we can skip through the group listing’s (want to be fair to the 1st Ammendment hacks who want to silence US)

Why do they bother, they monopolize Television, have their very own hateful deceitful homes on the internet to go to and yet they persist in trying to push their “progressive” crap on one of the few venues that the rest of us have available to us as they sit in the drivers seat in the Desctruction of Democracy. Like a bad dog who slipped the leash, GO HOME FIDO!
Go HOME

guspapa on February 22, 2009 at 7:16 PM

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

All you Lib’s who think there is nothing radically left regarding Obama’s select upbringing can go read this site then come back and tell us how there is no evidence that he, or the Clintons have nothing in common as it relates to the focus of their philosophical development.

Of course this site will be viewed as nothing other than conservative revisionism with no proof, anecdotal or otherwise to support the argument.

guspapa on February 22, 2009 at 7:24 PM

On frontpagemag.com they have an excellent article of a book that is comming out..

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=90C2C354-2149-4D79-9AC0-E803D0006934

It is a great read and very timely as the author discusses how the leftists and Democrat liberals ARE actively working
WITH the enemies of our country in order to DESTROY it..

We need to being talking to each other to start preparing..
that is our greatest weakness..

We dont know who to trust..
While ALL of the Democrats, leftists and TERRORISTS DO..

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=90C2C354-2149-4D79-9AC0-E803D0006934

Read it

jcila on February 22, 2009 at 7:32 PM

Why do they bother, they monopolize Television, have their very own hateful deceitful homes on the internet to go to and yet they persist in trying to push their “progressive” crap on one of the few venues that the rest of us have available to us as they sit in the drivers seat in the Desctruction of Democracy.

Guspapa, its all they have and its all they care about. If they can’t control us, they are nothing, have nothing, are nobody. They are empty people. Ever see Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Progressives are pod people. Empty, ugly, deceitful, hiding behind smiley faces.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Boring, boring, why is Death to media hacks, so boring??

anniekc on February 22, 2009 at 8:25 PM

Progressives are pod people. Empty, ugly, deceitful, hiding behind smiley faces.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Pretty accurate. But Michael Moore is that poop monster from Dogma.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 8:28 PM

I don’t have a problem with any of those relatives. The black ancestor was named Jemima and was in fact what they used to call creole. She died young. The Cherokee was an Indian princess who married a young English American and had 12 children with him. The German {my Dad’s side, came over right before the Civil war and fought for the North. Kansas cavalry. The Irish were my mother’s Dad’s people and they came over to escape the Great hunger. Somewhere in there was a Confederate as well.

That is the whole history of the country right there.

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 8:28 PM

Pretty accurate. But Michael Moore is that poop monster from Dogma.
chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 8:28 PM

LOL – didn’t see Dogma but checked it out online. MM is definitely a poop monster. I can think of other names too but it is Sunday after all, so I’ll save further epithets and name-calling for a week night *grin*

For anyone else who missed it see Michael in all his bloated glory at
http://www.dogma-movie.com/pics/strip/strip6.html

His parents and friends must be so proud.

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Terrye on February 22, 2009 at 8:28 PM

my greatgrandfather was a full-blooded cherokee and married a half-indian half black girl…int the time of the civil war…in the oklahoma territories..she was escaping slavery…I am named after him, and I follow his footsteps in some very interesting ways…and I knew it not until recently…

right4life on February 22, 2009 at 9:23 PM

If we still treat black people so bad, why would you not want to go back to Africa?

roopster217 on February 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM

How can a person go back to a place he/she has never been?

baldilocks on February 22, 2009 at 9:46 PM

kooziegirl on February 22, 2009 at 9:22 PM

Thanks for the link. Couldn’t get it to work. And yes, the list of monikers for Moore would be almost as long as the Porkulus bill.

chicagojedi on February 22, 2009 at 10:59 PM

I don’t understand what is so wrong with what Glenn Beck said. There is nothing crazy about the scenario.
What sane person has not thought about worst case scenarios.
I’m completely baffled on why there was never a counter revoultion to the new left in the sixties.
Most change throughout history comes at the end of a gun and not from diplomacy.
The idea that the left can be defeated by logic and reason is laughable
Conservatives have won battles domestically but on the overall war from the sixities onward has gone to the left.

Glenn beck should really let his guest do more of the talking

kangjie on February 22, 2009 at 11:18 PM

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