Quotes of the day
posted at 10:00 pm on February 20, 2009 by Allahpundit
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“In case you have forgotten, we are a government of the People, by the People, and for the People. He was not elected serve his personal interests. I personally believe that instead of sending e-mails full of threats and hateful words you should take his example to heart and congratulate him on being a legislator who cares more about what the People of his district want than what he may want personally.”
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“I think some of the gay activists will be upset with me for this, but sometimes I think an agenda is pushed so far and so fast that people have no alternative but to push back… And I think that sometimes you have to move slowly.”
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So only people who have had water hoses turned on them have “rights” huh? Your logic makes no sense.
Here’s a quick thing for you, can you define what a “right” is. That may make things a little easier.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 21, 2009 at 10:26 AM
I didn’t say anything about other STD tests…you’re just trying to change the subject…cause you can’t handle the truth.
as far as other ways of transmission…how besides blood or bodily fluids???
and why hasn’t it broken out into the straight community in this country?? hmmmmm??
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:26 AM
the last gay pride parade i went to was 2002 i think. i don’t remember exactly because it was not the end all and be all of my life like it was for you. and yes, i haven’t been to one since because they are all the same, and unlike you, i do not have to wrap myself around other gay people to feel good. and i live in Chicago, btw, and i encounter many different ethnic groups frequently. also, i am not, sad, nor am i bitter. yes, i am single. i may be somewhat miserable due to the fact that most gay people are liberals and it is hard to find other gay people who do not have a victim mentality and are not wishing and praying that they could crawl up barack obama’s asshole and just sit in there and take a long comfortable nap or just hang out. i was simply informing the straight people on here exactly what a gay pride parade is like. i will be going to the south side irish parade next month, and let me tell you….THAT WILL BE AWESOME! (provided some gay irish group hasn’t screamed for their right to be in it as well)
Ghoul aid on February 21, 2009 at 10:28 AM
You could say the same thing about anti-segregation law that it is meant to silence and crush white supremacists. When we all know that white supremacy still exists, it just can’t be the justification for discriminatory actions in the public sphere. I’m sorry but I’m just not really all that sympathetic to the poor, discriminated against Christians. When they have 90% representation in Congress, the world of business, the white house, every state house, every governors mansion. You’re not being “silenced” by anyone.
A few people practicing discrimination got sued, DEAL. Things change, society moves forward.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 21, 2009 at 10:28 AM
He didn’t give you ‘gay desires’ rather he gives you over to your own desires…
Romans 1:
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM
DeathToMediaHacks – God does not tempt us (i.e. make us suffer), that is what Satan does. It is Satan who leads us down the path of sin and God who redeems us through his love and grace.
tnmama on February 21, 2009 at 10:30 AM
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:31 AM
translation: bend over for the gaystopo or you get sued, silenced, harassed, jailed.
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM
and here’s a question for somebody like, deathtomediahacks, how come when it was found out that it was “african americans” who helped pass prop 8, why didn’t the militant gays go screaming and crying against them? was it so safer to attack mormons and white people?????????? i think it was!
your thoughts death?
Ghoul aid on February 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM
this is beyond stupid…if that were the case ‘gay marriage’ wouldn’t be an issue…there wouldn’t be judges forcing it down our throats…laughable.
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:35 AM
because they knew if they went into the black community, they’d have to deal with people like crips, bloods, NOI types…
same for the mexican community…La Eme Nuesta Familia, etc…
they’d get their a** handed to them…
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM
You do realize that the number one killer for African American aged 18-30 in this country is HIV-AIDS. Are they all lesbians or IV drug users? Dude…HIV-AIDS can be spread among straight people. Don’t be such an idiot.
No YOU are changing the subject. Because you and I both know you would be HORRIFIED if your daughter came to you and said “I’m marrying this ex-gay guy.” And you know why? Because deep in your heart you don’t believe in it. You don’t believe a person can change their sexual desires. No doubt because you are a guy yourself and understand how deeply sexuality is ingrained in a person.
And luckily for EVERYONE involved most people agree with you which is why the ex-gays are shrinking every year as people like Ted Haggard and Larry Craig are an example to the world that no matter how hard you try you can’t change your sexuality.
Something tells me you were single LOONG before Obama came along and you’ll stay single LOOONG after he’s gone. Are you closeted with your family and friends? That’s also probably why you are single. No one wants to date someone who has demonstrated a proclivity for lying to those close to them, it’s not exactly a character trait that says “life long partner” or even “worthy boyfriend.”
And as someone who lived in Logan Square for a few years (and met the guy I live with now in that city) there are LOTS of gay men in Chicago who are not interested in the club scene, who are masculine, who are sports fans. I mean…LOTS and lots of them. If you can’t find one it’s for the above mentioned reasons. Just grab a copy of the weekly gay mag, start looking up the dozens and dozens of non-sex/politics related clubs, join one and start mingling. Quit your moping you live in Chicago for chrissakes, the world if your gay oyster.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM
Hack – Here are some definitions for you from mirriamwebster.com
So, basically, by attempting to claim marriage as a right, those homosexuals are seeking moral approval for their lifestyle from the remainiing 96 % of the country. And they are saying that they have a just claim to a term used since the 14th century to signify the union of a man and a woman.
kingsjester on February 21, 2009 at 10:38 AM
duhhhh DUDE I know it can…but its not. deal with it..deuhhhhh
I said AIDS…not STDs…duhhhhh you’re beyond stupid. oh I do believe it…because homosexuality is a CHOICE…like pedophilia!! deal with it…its just another perversion…
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:38 AM
I have many. I think gay organizers went after the people who FUNDED Prop 8 from out of state, that would be the mormon church. But you also have a point. As both a black guy AND a gay guy I was struck by the horrific job the organizers of No on Prop 8 did in reaching out to both African American and Latino communities. The assumption was just that they wouldn’t vote for it and there was no need to buy ad space in their media markets or work with their communities. It was a huge mistake and gay rights activists need to learn from it.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM
what BS…I had a good friend that was gay..we went to a restaurant..and were waited on by a beautiful girl….he just stared and stared at her…and said, ‘you know maybe I should change’…
it was too funny..and very revealing…
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:40 AM
The only people I’ve known that are really against gay rights are the ones who have fought internalized homosexual feelings themselves. Ted Haggard anyone? Otherwise, who the heck cares?? Just get on with your life and mind your own business and pay attention to your own failing, sexless marriage.
dcwvu on February 21, 2009 at 10:40 AM
You’ve literally descended into typing out childish sounds. I don’t know what more I can do for you. I pointed out the fact that in heterosexual african american communities HIV-AIDS has and continues to kill people. You ignored that. Why? Are only white people heterosexual now? LOL
And the entire scientific community is wrong? OK man. You can believe that all you want. Here’s the thing, it actually doesn’t matter either way if its a choice or not when it comes to marriage law.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 21, 2009 at 10:42 AM
YES, I AM OUT TO ALL OF MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS. UNLIKE YOU, I DON’T HAVE TO SCREAM THAT I AM GAY TO ALL OF SOCIETY AND COMPLETE STRANGERS AND MAKE A FEDERAL CASE OUT OF IT. YOU MENTIONED GAYS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CLUB SCENE, ETC. BUT YOU CONVEIENTLY FORGOT TO MENTION THAT GAY MEN WHO DO NOT HAVE A VICTIM MENTALITY AND THOSE THAT HAVE NOT DRUNK THE OBAMA KOOL AID ARE F-CKING FEW AND FAR BEWTWEEN AND YOU STILL HAVEN’T ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT WHY THE MILITANT GAYS DIDN’T GO AFTER AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO HELPED PASS PROP 8. BECAUSE YOU ARE COWARDS THAT IS WHY! BUT YOU SIT HERE AND ARGUE WITH REPUBLICANS ON A GOD DAMN BLOG IN THE SAFETY OF YOUR HOME. AND YES, PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULD LOVE, LOVE, LOVE THE CHANCE TO CRAWL UP BARACK’S ASS IF GIVEN THE CHANCE. TAKE YOUR GAY “ENLIGHTENMENT” AND TAKE THAT UP HIS ASS WITH YOU.
Ghoul aid on February 21, 2009 at 10:43 AM
The 4% can define their behavior as normal. It doesn’t make it attractive or normal for the 96%. It doesn’t compel the 96% to partake in the behavior. In CA, the 4% had about 47% of the voters supporting them.
I hope it is decided at the ballot rather than in the courts, but the Supreme Court views marriage as a fundamental right and states that want to defend against lawsuits would likely do better if they established domestic partnership laws that mirrored marriage laws with regard to rights.
dedalus on February 21, 2009 at 10:45 AM
you can point that out…but you don’t break it down between drugs and gay sex…and many of those heterosexuals get AIDS from having sex with intravenous drug users…do you know the breakdown of those stats??? of course not…you wouldn’t because it would not support your point.
oh please, homosexuality used to be considered an abnormal condition by the psychiatric community…until they VOTED to change it, under pressure by the gay community…yeah VOTING is real SCIENTIFIC…duhhhh..
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:45 AM
wow…Bravo sir!
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 10:46 AM
I do not believe for an INSTANT you have any gay friends. How can you be friends with people you think are scum of the earth perverts. Sounds like you’re a bit of a passive aggressive jerk.
Oh sorry, a STUPID passive aggressive herk, because people with brains can recognize that another individual is attractive without wanting to actually have sex with every person in that gender. Are you one of those straight men who pretends like no other man is at all attractive? No one believes you by the way. I know when a woman is beautiful and I even joke with my friends “oh I’d flip for her.” But it’s a JOKE, it’s funny, it’s not “telling” or anything. God I just…you’re just so dumb.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 21, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Um maybe you’re single because you’re super angry and defensive and start yelling at people at random? Whatever your issues are (and they seem legion) they aren’t the fault of gay activists and other gay. And I DID respond to your argument about african americans and prop 8.
As for your inability to find gay men in Chicago who don’t hate Barack Obama, yeah….sorry about that. Join the log cabins I guess. Or maybe don’t make politics the basis for the guys you will date, lots of married couples are from different political parties and they make it work. I think you use the Barack Obama thing as an excuse because you don’t actually want to date a man or be involved in a serious relationship. Which is fine, enjoy the singlehood.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 21, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Apples and oranges comparison. Historically, women who are Catholics and wish to devote their lives to ministry in a formal way become nuns. In all other cases, women who are Catholics apparently have been content with the status quo. I’m not Catholic, so you’ll have to take it up with them.
Gays, on the other hand, will sue any religious denomination that will not perform a wedding ceremony for a gay couple. Most gays hate Christians because Christians do not consider the gay lifestyle legitimate. Ultimately, gays won’t be able to force religious denominations to perform wedding ceremonies, but the price they and their donors will pay (exacted by liberal courts or a liberal administration) is that the denominations will get their tax-exempt status revoked.
As a policy matter, I don’t think a denomination should lose its tax-exempt status if it won’t perform gay wedding ceremonies.
BuckeyeSam on February 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM
and I’m supposed to care what an idiot like you thinks??? please….you’re a jacka**
projection…idiotic ASSumptions…you are full of it.
you’re just a stupid piece of trash…a liar too…I noticed on another thread you said you weren’t going to post here anymore…wacko.
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 11:09 AM
oh and a ‘death’…not all gays are pompous self-righteous a-holes like you are.
its people like you that straight people don’t like…check the mirror sometimes…it ain’t pretty…
right4life on February 21, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Historically, a lot of women have disagreed with their role within the Catholic Church. It only takes one feminist to initiate a lawsuit. Is your contention that all feminists have looked at the Catholic Church and thought discrimination against women in the priesthood is OK, since they are allowed to be nuns?
I don’t think the lack of a successful lawsuit is the result of restraint by feminists but an inability to have their gender discrimination suits succeed in court.
dedalus on February 21, 2009 at 11:18 AM
good lord death, the fact that i am single has nothing to do with my politcal beliefs. i currently choose to be single. i could go out today and find a new “boyfriend” in under an hour. i was making the point that most gay people are blindingly infatuated with obama and those of us that are not, are singled out, hated, and ridiculed. the fact is that the majority of straight people do not want marriage to include gays. the fact is that militant gays who go apesh-t to get what they want, are not doing themselves any favors. and the fact that they have harrassed even individuals who had the audacity to give money to a cause they believed in (prop 8) makes those people livid. and i don’t blame them. most straight people are perfectly happy to accept gay people, but when you shove it in their faces at every turn, it tends to turn them off. when you want to radically change an institution that has been around forever, and you do it in a barbaric way, it tends to turn them off even more. and it’s pathetic of you to go on and on about how “single” i am and just assume that i live a miserable existence. you just cannot fathom another gay man who refuses to go along with the liberal gay program. i’m sure you are horrified at my existence and i am 100% sure that i mean nothing to you all because i flat out refused to drink that kool aid.
Ghoul aid on February 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Still not buying it. It’s apples and oranges. You speculate about a lone feminist. Maybe she exists. My guess is that she simply moves to another denomination–Episcopalian, maybe.
In contrast, gays live for litigation. Liberals love slippery-slope arguments. This is the one I will allow myself because I see it as a very short slope. Gay marriage nationwide means gay demands for religious wedding ceremonies nationwide.
As I’ve said, Obama has already subjected faith-based organizations seeking grants to employment discrimination scrutiny. I can easily see the logical leap between gay marriage and suits against churches that don’t perform ceremonies and ultimately loss of tax exempt status.
BuckeyeSam on February 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Ghoul aid on February 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Thank you for your reasoned and thoughtful comments. Having had gay friends and co-workers in my life, you remind me of them a great deal. As you have said, it is the radical left that is ticking everybody off.
kingsjester on February 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM
In 2004 a lawyer named Susan Rockwell sued the Archdiocese of Boston for its refusal to admit her to the seminary. She lost.
There are many men and women who have challenged the Vatican over the past couple of decades on the issue of female ordination. They haven’t found success in U.S. Courts.
dedalus on February 21, 2009 at 11:47 AM
when did you choose to be straight?
lolwut on February 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM
The etymology of the word and concept of marriage has religion in its origins. It’s true that most religions find homosexuality wrong. Now what is it about the word ‘marriage’ that is so crucial to the same sex advocates?
Now the ‘rights’ argument is specious. It would be nice to move on from this argument and try another angle. The amount of single women in this country is represented by ‘x’. As a heterosexual single man, x is the amount of which it is lawful for me to marry. That number does not change for any homosexual man. Conversely, ‘y’ represents the amount of single men in this country. I can marry zero of y. The number does not change for homosexual men. No government entity has ever prevented anyone marrying from the same pool.
Now I understand the usual counter to that is along the lines of, “but it does prevent us from marrying with whom we choose, etc.” Again, the number is still the same for both orientations. Eventually, the logical end has to come down to who we choose to have sex with and mandating that union should be recognized. At this point marriage has just been reduced to sex.
It’s unquestionably more than just that. Pick a new word.
anuts on February 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Nice try.
You define yourselves by the sex you have. Gay=Homo=butt sex just as hetro=hetro sex. This we all know, but you parade it because you are tired of being ashamed of it. But exorcising your shame on society is classless. As it has been manifestly clear in this thread, and every other thread on HA, those of us who are sickened and disgusted by the thought of gay sex are dealing with it by accepting the fact that you have a right to be gay. This is a positive change in society and you should be thankful for it. But the militants aren’t satisfied. They see the power in PC politics and now want more than equality. They want super equality. The type of equality that forces those whose choices are less risky pay for the choices that you make which are way more risky. This is classless on their part. And to top it off, they parade their same sex activities. This behavior is no better than cows f**king in a field next to a busy highway. In that context, the cows have more class than the militants because they are doing what is natural and the militants sacrifice class and privacy to manipulate people and wield political power.
The gay rights movement has gone the way of the March of Dimes. The original mission is completed, but now that there is all this power, they just can’t put it down.
This is why the militant gays are intimidating, threatening,and classless when dealing with those who have legitimate disagreements.
My advice to the militants are that if there aren’t careful, they will get what they ask for, but the unintended consequences will make the struggle not worth it.
IE: When/if gays hijack the word “marriage”, hetros/churches/insurance companies will stop using the word and come up with a different one so that the distinction between same sex and hetro sex will be established again.
So, go f**k yourselves and your ignorant militant naziesque mentality.
csdeven on February 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM
You marry an individual, not a demographic. If you were to divide straight people into equal numbers of classifications, by wealth, race, fitness, etc. and then said in order to not have the classes genetically mix we restrict marriage equally, it wouldn’t be considered fair or pass a SCOTUS challenge.
dedalus on February 21, 2009 at 12:10 PM
A common leftist problem:
1. I want to do [behavior].
2. AND I DEMAND YOU ACCEPT IT.
Most people ignore 1., but will fight 2.
Get over yourselves.
I have certainly sinned throughout my life, but I don’t demand that it be “okay.”
Do the gay thing if you want to but be secure in yourself that’s it’s the “right thing.” Why do you need others’ to agree and accept? Answer: you don’t, unless you have second thoughts.
p3ned
ex-Democrat on February 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Didn’t DTMH take his leave of this place?
I guess it sjust proof again about bad pennies…
opusrex on February 21, 2009 at 12:18 PM
In New York and San Francisco NAMBLA march in the gay pride parade. They evidently don’t feel that they need their own separate parade.
aengus on February 21, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I think what really terrifies the people against gay marriage is that gays might turn out not to be all that different. They might turn up in public, happier and healthier, and then how do you argue that homosexuality is the end of western civilization or whatever? The absolute worst thing that can happen, for these people, is that the gay pride parades will stop, gays will settle into the same stable relationships as straights, and there won’t be anything left that a reasonable person can hate.
RightOFLeft on February 21, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Very rare in the militant arena. The decent gays don’t parade their sexual activities on the front page of the NY Times.
csdeven on February 21, 2009 at 12:45 PM
So you’re saying that current opponents of homosexual marriage are unreasonable people who would be shattered if they felt they didn’t have a solid excuse for hating homosexuals? As it happens I’d be in favour of homosexuals voluntarily ending their parades even in the knowledge that it might be favourable for legalising homosexual marriage by ballot. I’m not holding my breath though.
aengus on February 21, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Many people don’t want to be identified by the parades held by the groups they belong to. If you met an Irish or Puerto Rican person and based your impression of them on the behavior at the NYC Saint Patrick’s Day or Puerto Rican Day parade many would regard it as unfortunate.
dedalus on February 21, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Yeah I know. I don’t think St. Patrick would be too happy about it either.
aengus on February 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM
Some of them, but I think most of them are reasonable people, and good people, and they’d rather not confront the fact that they’re opposed to something that can only help.
Eventually gays will figure that out and do better at policing their behavior as a community. But if that sort of thing really offends you, and introducing marriage into gay culture would discourage it, why would you oppose gay marriage?
RightOFLeft on February 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I don’t think introducing marriage into homosexual culture would discourage it. I think it will have no effect. There’s no reason to think it will.
The legal arguments related to non-discrimination particularly in the case of Christian churches, which have been covered briefly in this thread and in far greater detail on previous threads (no need to rehash them all now) are my main concern re homosexual marriage.
aengus on February 21, 2009 at 1:25 PM
Not against gays. Very much against the gay agenda.
jukin on February 21, 2009 at 3:53 PM
this is FASCINATING! I didn’t know that simply by being single my rights were being violated. Who do I get to sue because I’m not married (which is obviously a right)?
. . . and the gay community wonders why the black community doesn’t support them. You gleefully report the statistic about the ‘number one killer of African Americans’.
Are you sure it isn’t smoking? Because we all know that the act of smoking is a choice, and it is dangerous to your health. Have you ever considered why we have laws against smoking? Is it ‘proven’ to cause a higher percentage of lung cancer?
The FACT is that homosexuality has a higher percentage of AIDS than smokers do lung cancer. . . yet for some reason, the fact that EVERYONE with AIDS isn’t gay, and that EVERYONE who is gay doesn’t have AIDS is an important point.
What would you think if the tobacco company trotted out a whole group of lung cancer patients who didn’t smoke. . . Would that change your opinion that smoking was linked to cancer? Well that’s what YOU and the entire gay community are trying to do.
Hey, not just gay people have AIDS. . . guess what, not just smokers get lung cancer. I can’t WAIT until they start forcing lifestyle choices on people on government insurance. They will NOT be able to turn a blind eye to homosexuality as a contributor to ill health. Everyone who smokes automatically pays 30% more if they are healthy or not. . .
AIDS treatment is longer and more costly than cancer. . . yet the insurance companies are not allowed to underwrite for high risk behavior of homosexuality the way they are with auto racing, sky diving, and even smoking.
The discrimination is actually reverse discrimination from the propaganda that the gay community wants us to swallow. The FACT is that they need to teach that being gay is hazardous to your health the way that every single cigarette pack has a surgeon generals warning.
ThackerAgency on February 22, 2009 at 12:10 AM
But this is ultimately the problem. The gay community doesn’t want the public ‘educated’. They want the public subdued. EDUCATION would teach that homosexuality leads to a higher risk of AIDS than any other lifestyle. FACT. That needs to be taught in the Jane and Jill kindergarten books.
But if you believe this FACT (and would like to see your nation address this FACT in a way that will assist your health and your childrens’ health), you are a homophobe.
ThackerAgency on February 22, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Gay activists are just sad. They NEED conflict to feel fulfilled. They create their own misery, and then cry about how they are ‘treated’. Wah wah wah.
Doug on February 22, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Why do right-wing Christians think that they are the only people who have ever been persecuted? Your religion is a choice, my sexuality isn’t. Thankfully, I was born an Episcopalian.
SC.Charlie on February 22, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Why do right-wing Christians think that they are the only people who have ever been persecuted? Your religion is a choice, my sexuality isn’t. Thankfully, I was born an Episcopalian.
SC.Charlie
You exhibit a poor understanding of history, Christianity and the history of Christianity. BTW, If my religion is a choice, isn’t yours also? How could you possibly have been “born an Episcopalian”?
SKYFOX on February 23, 2009 at 5:13 AM
I born into a family that was Episcopalian. Since then I have lost one sister to the Baptists and another to the Methodists. In addition I have an undergraduate degree in History.
SC.Charlie on February 23, 2009 at 5:41 AM
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