Pethokoukis: Savior-based economics
posted at 9:29 am on February 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Count US News’ James Pethokoukis as one of the unimpressed on Barack Obama’s mortgage-bailout plan. He refers to the $75 billion as “savior-based” economics, but we used to have another name for it: elitist. It puts economic management in the hands of a few people in Washington rather than the market, and oddly enough, into the hands of judges:
In the span of just over a week, America has witnessed the debunking of “savior-based” economics. That, you might have heard, is the theory that posits all you need for smart economic policy is to assemble a bunch of indispensable brainiacs in Washington and let them work their magic. (Hollywood has its own version of this theory, which is why we end up with the “great cast, bad movie” phenomenon. See “Ocean’s Twelve” or “Ocean’s Thirteen.” Rather, don’t see them.)
First came Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner’s tightly-wound presentation of a banking bailout plan that left Wall Street both somewhat confused about its details and somewhat terrified that the fuzzy thing wouldn’t work. Next, came President Obama’s signing of a $787 billion “stimulus” plan where most of the stimulus may actually kick in after the economy starts to recover. (Too little boli, too many Tic-Tacs in that one.) And now comes the third leg of the chair, a $75 billion housing bailout plan (though it could surge to $300 billion or more). It will attempt to help some homeowners refinance, assist others in lowering their monthly payments, and reduce mortgage rates. …
But it is certainly debatable whether we should even be trying a savior-based plan to prevent foreclosures. Do we need Uncle Sam to “save” homeowners who have sinned against the gods of financial prudence? Here’s how the folks at Weiss Research see things after examining the Obama plan: “Foreclosures are actually resulting in overpriced homes burdened with too much debt being moved into the hands of new buyers, who are paying drastically reduced prices. They can therefore purchase using a traditional mortgage. … Delaying and dragging out the downturn by artificially propping up home prices will arguably work against the market healing.”
James is perhaps a little too polite in this passage, but it was savior-based thinking that got us into this mess in the first place. Congress took a well-functioning lending market and destroyed it by insisting on forcing loans to people who were at high risk of defaulting. When government couldn’t get enough distortion through threats of penalties, it instead starting buying paper from subprime lenders through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and converted them into securities sold on Wall Street, which then infected the entire economy with bad debt. That created unrealistic demand for dubious loans, which created a housing bubble — and its collapse has created all of the mischief we now see.
Why did Congress do this? Because it wanted to choose winners and losers itself rather than allow the market to do it properly. They talked about it in glorious tones — home ownership, self-respect, investment in the community — but at its heart was the deep conviction that a select group of elites could run the markets better than the people invested in the market themselves. That’s elitism, and Obama’s savior-based economics is exactly the same thing.
Consider that homeowners under this program can now force banks to adjust mortgage rates. How? They just drag them into court, under this new law, and a judge can tell the bank to reset the interest rate. (Because of the sale of FM/FM-issued mortgage-backed securities and the splits of loans into thousands of MBSs at a time, banks can’t readjust rates because they simply have no way of finding all of the creditors who have to agree to it. ) What does this do? It penalizes the people who invested in these bonds by lowering their value — in a very inconsistent manner — and it lets off the hook the homeowners who overextended themselves on the sale of the houses.
The inconsistency is a problem unto itself. The big meltdown occurred because investors suddenly had no idea how to value their MBSs as foreclosures began to increase. This plan makes their value even less clear. If a judge in Omaha can reset the value of a mortgage that may be split over a hundred or a thousand bonds, no one will be able to keep track of the value of any MBS. Even if the government bought all of them back (the original TARP plan, if you’ll recall), they’d have no means to price them effectively.
Lastly, let’s remember that interest rates aren’t the problem anyway. The problem is that the principals are too high for the current valuation of the house. The lender shelled out the principal to allow the homeowner to live in the house, and the interest rate is how the lender recoups his cost of lending. Instead of subsidizing the principal, which would also lower payments while keeping lenders whole and credit flowing, this plan penalizes the lender and lets the borrower skate on the pain, although not entirely.
This is what happens when elites or saviors think they can outsmart the market. They turn it into a mess, and this plan is no exception.










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Elites? The only problem with this plan to save people who borrowed too much is it rests on the shoulders of those who were prudent. I am punished with a mortgage that is not mine. Unlike being punished with a baby, I did not get the benefit of even contributing to making that child.
Mr. Joe on February 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM
His housing plan is a double kick in the teeth, Homeowners make payments for inflated housing and our taxpayer dollars go to the people who inflated the values in the first place. We still pay more in mortgage payments because the houses were inflated by the greedy and stupid homeowners, and understand as much as people rail against banks, no homeowner had a gun to their head when they signed the deal. Now we get to have our tax payer dollars used to finance the people who have made life more expensive in the first place, all for the greater good of course. By the way it would not surprise me in the if these plans end up helping the savvier homeowners in the least financial trouble, but who are most able to navigate and understand mortgage dealings.
rob verdi on February 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM
What is it going to take to drive people to the streets? Looks like Holder is baiting folks to do just that so he can impose marshall law. We are in deep du du.
wepeople on February 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Congress is brave with other peoples money, cowards with their own…
elgeneralisimo on February 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Obama and the Democrats: Subsidizing poor decisions
Obama and the Democrats: Failure is not an option…..because we won’t allow it
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
People who saved, worked, played by the rules, read the fine print, EARNED the new home = STUPID IDIOTS!
People who got in over their heads, cheated the system, have no “right” to ownership, don’t work, live on welfare and foodstamps, pay NO tax but get “rebates” = SMART!
Welcome to the new reality in America, the home of the lazy, the union losers and the cult of the Messiah…
Mark Garnett on February 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Obama and the Democrats: Saving people from the own misery
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Too bad my city still insists my house is worth far more than the current adjusted market value; that new half-empty city hall and the spate of community beautification projects still need to be paid for.
Better still, we just built a 2,000 student high school without a pool. Who the hell builds a HS without a frackin’ pool?
Bishop on February 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
This doesn’t help my children.
Greg Toombs on February 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
/sarc on
I’m looking forward to getting a job after school and bearing my share of obamas great rebuilding plan.
/sarc off.
blatantblue on February 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
http://facta-non-verba.blogspot.com/2009/01/manure-spreader-with-sign-in-front.html
Here it is folks in full color & smell
wepeople on February 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM
Mark Garnett on February 19, 2009 at 9:38 AM
You know what’s next on the horizon, MG? Bailouts for cars.
All those morons who used their home equity to buy Lexus’ and Cadillac SUV’s….how are they supposed to get to work if their rides are being repossessed?
Attica! ATTICA!
Bishop on February 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM
At which point it is likely to send inflation soaring into double digits.
whitetop on February 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM
how is this plan fair to people just entering the housing market?
rob verdi on February 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM
For crying out loud, why are we entrusting our economy to Obama? Look at his tax returns to get an idea of what Obama thinks about markets and market forces.
First, Obama and his wife, despite making some decent coin in the past decade, didn’t begin making consistent use of an interest-bearing checking account until 2005.
Second, through 2007, Obama and his wife appear to have owned only two stocks in the past decade. And those two stocks they bought and sold in 2005.
Third, Obama and his wife purchased their residence in Chicago for $300K less than the asking price in a seller’s market. Though the facts have never been fully revealed, market forces clearly didn’t play a role in that transactions.
Fourth, the overwhelming amount of Obama’s investments are buried in tax-exempt bonds.
Obama simply has no financial acumen, he clearly has no faith in the industrial strength of this country, and he engages in significant transactions only when he can rig the game in his favor.
Why did people vote for this guy? I wouldn’t let him mow my lawn, and I wouldn’t let him run a lemonade stand.
BuckeyeSam on February 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM
bishop,
only if the car is a hybrid
rob verdi on February 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Are there really so few of us who have been financially responsible who get bubkes from this plan? Is this the Obama administration’s version of “let them eat cake?” This is a mighty big slice, and I like dessert, too.
College Prof on February 19, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Ed,
correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t there another provision which will allow judges to adjust the PRINCIPAL as well? That would even more devastating.
RadioFreeUSA on February 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Obama said “Crisis” 25 times yesterday in one speech
jp on February 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
You can pimp out a Hyundai. Trust me, I lived in Shreveport, LA for a few years during the mid-1990s.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
OT – I’ve never heard of a H.S. with a pool, frankly. How odd. Now, a H.S. without a football stadium…that would be absurd!
and now, back to your regularly scheduled HA postings….
OwlorNothing on February 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
I don’t need help with my mortgage. I just need the cash so I can sell and buy something else. As it is, I did all the right things, but I’m in one of those suburbs of Phoenix where my house is worth so much less than I paid for it, even though I bought low at the beginning of the boom.
My stimulus plan would be to send people cash to close if they committed to buy a new home. This would help the builders and I could stimulate the economy by filling up the house with furniture, drapes, blinds, back yard, etc.
Traffic Cop Timmy on February 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM
He was protecting himself from what he knew he wanted to do with this country.
genso on February 19, 2009 at 9:50 AM
Probably nothing. The lib establishment has done a good job dumbing down America and the democrats have been very good at dividing and conquering: screw one group at a time by first marginalizing and demonizing them and then move in one you have succeed at convincing the majority that they have no reason to care.
neuquenguy on February 19, 2009 at 9:51 AM
Moaning! Moaning!
jeanie on February 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Bishop:
At my HS, the upperclassmen always told the incoming freshies about the pool on the roof that the nuns would use.
I believed it for about a year. Then I snuck up to the third story roof and was dissappointed.
Google earth has finally squashed any hope as well.
:(
blatantblue on February 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
I heard that one lady who was facing forclosure couldn’t get her bank to stop sending threatening letters and calls—–she threw up her arms and said, “fine, send me a copy of the mortgage and I’ll sign the papers”—-the calls and letters have stopped except for one that informed her they could not find the paperwork. Now I know why these banks need a BAILOUT!
Rovin on February 19, 2009 at 9:53 AM
Is it possible to be a “progressive intellectual?”
4. guided or developed by or relying on the intellect rather than upon emotions or feelings; rational.
I’m going to have to say no — everything they do is based on emotions and feelings, and they have proven to be economic ignoramuses.
Rae on February 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Ummmmm…..duh? Hopenchange = fearncrisis
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM
OwlorNothing on February 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Maybe it’s just a Minnesota thing; even many of our junior high schools have pools too.
Bishop on February 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Here’s what we need… a government official at every place of business. If you want a 42-inch HD TV, you just tell the official what you can afford. $50? Great. You just bought a 42-inch TV for fifty bucks!
How much do you think you should pay for gasoline? Electricity? What about a 3-Dollar Porterhouse Steak “Happy Meal”?
That way, everybody will be equal and we’ll all have nice things.
Sadly, that would make sense to millions of Obama voters.
Of course, the economy would collapse on Day 2.
mankai on February 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
To paraphrase the current WH chief of staff, a god crisis (or a fake one) is a terrible thing to waste.
There will be endless “crisis” the next 8 years
neuquenguy on February 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Ronald Reagan
logis on February 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Even with Bair holding his hand yesterday Timmy sounded awful. Did anyone else listen to the presser in Mesa? Geithner did a terrible job getting the details of the plan across. Reporters had to keep going back to them to straighten out who was eligible and who wasn’t (income, size of mortgage, first or second mortgage, primary or investment property, total indebtedness, etc.), and Timmy added a new condition or referred to a new codicil every time he answered. All with that reedy quaver in his voice.
Ed, to that I would only say that what we’re trying to avoid is having this in the hands of a judge in Omaha, or for that matter in the hands of every bankruptcy court in America. A rule that allows us to see how every loan will be crammed down, applied consistently, is better than a million piecewise determinations.
DrSteve on February 19, 2009 at 9:56 AM
I would let him mow my lawn, if only to give Holder a reason to call me a ‘cowardly racist’. I would have to show him how of course, but I think he can be taught. And no DTMH, I do not hate all blacks, so stuff it. Just the president of the USSA and minorities. He is the racist and the hater, why don’t you rail at him you ignorant jacka$$. …*sigh*
clinker46 on February 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM
TIMMY, You either forgot to leave us your “sarc tag” or your one of the drones that has no clue where the “CASH” comes from…..
Rovin on February 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM
I’d like to register my complaint that Pethokoukis equated Ocean’s Twelve with Ocean’s Thirteen. 12 was rather bad, but 13 was much more like the original (well, the remake, that is) and redeemed the series.
Now let’s hear from people that are actually on-topic:
Abby Adams on February 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Give every registered voter $250,000 cash and call it a day…trust me, it would be simpler and cheaper that way.
And make it only the registered voters of the last election.
In six months the country would be back on its economic feet.
right2bright on February 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM
I wonder how long it will be until real estate appraisers start appearing who are drastically underappraising the properties – to get the mortgages set back and make some really good bucks for the “owner” on the principal adjustments (along with kickbacks to the under-appraisers.
This plan is a recipe for moving housing prices DOWNWARDS! Good going on the idiot messiah’s part. But, that’s what idiot messiahs do.
progressoverpeace on February 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Easy:
For a while it will come from the evil rich; then from the Chinese; when the Chinese cut us off after getting bored with dictating our domestic policy, we will just print it. It’s been done many times before in now proud third would countries.
neuquenguy on February 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM
My stimulus plan would consist of sending a box of No-Doze to everyone who bought a house they couldn’t afford.
Here ya go, plenty of caffeine to keep you awake while you work multiple jobs to pay off your house. What, you actually thought that a $7/hour shift at Cinnabon was going to stretch to cover a $2700 per month mortgage?
Bishop on February 19, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Same here! We were told the nuns used it at midnight. And the seniors charged the freshmen $10 as an “entrance fee”. I paid it.
sherry on February 19, 2009 at 10:05 AM
The best outcome for all of this is no violence.
The middle class is already destroyed.
The real question now is whether the overthrow will be peaceful or not.
notagool on February 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Excellent point. Of course there will be no abuse of this program by the same people who helped get us into this.
genso on February 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM
This idiocay is literally punishing proper behavior and rewarding bad (even criminal) behavior. I would hope that a groundswell of opposition rises to stop this. I literally hope to see blood in the streets as people rise up against this monstrosity.
Vashta.Nerada on February 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Everyone ready for some fun off-topic news?
North Korea is threatening war with South Korea and the United States may shoot down the test missile if launched.
amerpundit on February 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Well. S Korea and Japan, you know, they aren’t Muslim, so I don’t think it will register with our new administration.
genso on February 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Ed,
The second to last paragraph should read “principle(s)” all 3 times.
You’re welcome.
Wingo on February 19, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Heard about the interceptor missiles being readied. If the N Kor missiles come anywhere near our west coast, I wonder how o will handle it. If he were’nt behaving in such an irreponsible and ideologic fashion, I might almost feel sorry for him.
jeanie on February 19, 2009 at 10:11 AM
OT: OK man pulled over, investigated for anti-Obama bumper sticker.
Sticker seized. Secret Service goes to home.
Abort Obama, not the unborn
Dissent is no longer patriotic.
faraway on February 19, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Just another crisis for him. I wonder how he will use that to his advantage?
genso on February 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Baxter Greene on February 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
LOL sherry.
10 bucks!
Wonder if we went to the same hs. :D
blatantblue on February 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Vashta.Nerada on February 19, 2009 at 10:14 AM
I’ll say the same thing I said when McCain stunned the sentient world with his “mortgage bailout” idiocy during the debate -
If there were some price exacted from those receiving government largesse to pay for their ineptitude and stupidity then many people would be okay with it. Of course, it cannot be a monetary penalty, since these morons have no money, so it must be something else.
My proposition for McCain was to:
1) Have the bailed out houses marked (something painted on the doors showing that these are irresponsible people), and
2) have them give up their voting rights for some time (10 years or the duration of the mortgage – something along these lines).
If the decent people saw that the leeches and scumbags were made to publicly display their ineptitude and disallowed from having their moronic opinions affect our government, then many would grudgingly accept this bailout.
These are just the ideas that came to my mind, but I’m sure there are many other non-monetary punishments that can serve this purpose. As it is, though, these leeches will get the money and suffer not one little bit, at all (with many actually coming out ahead … again), and no one with sense will accept such a situation.
progressoverpeace on February 19, 2009 at 10:15 AM
No worries, Hillary is over there bringing in the new era of everybody-loves-america-now-that-the-O-is-president and should be able to straighten this out in now time.
neuquenguy on February 19, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Yep. We all know how these things go.
progressoverpeace on February 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Isnt that the truth? I knew I couldnt afford a damn house…why didnt those losers? People overextended themselves trying to keep up with the Jones..it didnt work. Let these people lose their homes and rent!!!
I saw some Acorn shill on Cavuto boohooing about how these people are realizing the American dream by buying a house and they should not lose them. umm…owning a home is not a right. Free health care is not a right. If I was one of those who kept their mortgage payments up…I would be livid. no help for them.
ugh..Im disgusted with Congress and Obama. Spending money they dont have…thats what got us into this mess.
becki51758 on February 19, 2009 at 10:19 AM
What BS. I’d file a complaint AND sue.
becki51758 on February 19, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Congress has become a politburo. Having come from a socialist country and become an American by choice it sickens me to see the total and absolute control so few people are taking over 300 million citizens.
Folks its ALL about control, control, control,
ouldbollix on February 19, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Um, no.
Vashta.Nerada on February 19, 2009 at 10:25 AM
That’s what Julio thought.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Is there some unwritten law that says that when one buys a house that when it is sold they must get a higher price than what they paid for it?
albill on February 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Until we as Conservatives can change the “entitlement” mentality we are doomed… The message is clear to me:
Health Care = Not A Right
Home Ownership = Not A Right
Employment = Not A Right
TV, VCR, XBOX = Not A Right
Bling & Fancy Car = Not A Right
Food Stamps = Not A Right
On Demand Abortions = Not A Right
Welfare Check = Not A Right
*** Any questions?
Mark Garnett on February 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Whom do I see about the universal oil change plan? A brotha gots to keep his ride runnin’ so I can pay my taxes!
/sarc
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM
TV, VCR, XBOX = Not A Right
Might have to disagree on the Xbox, my guys at the shop seem to think it’s a right.
Bishop on February 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM
I just want to say that I am not in favor of these bailouts, but was only offering the minimal sorts of costs to the recipients that would have to be included if such a bailout was to happen.
progressoverpeace on February 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Until we as Conservatives can change the “entitlement” mentality we are doomed… The message is clear to me:
Health Care = Not A Right
Home Ownership = Not A Right
Employment = Not A Right
TV, VCR, XBOX = Not A Right
Bling & Fancy Car = Not A Right
Food Stamps = Not A Right
On Demand Abortions = Not A Right
Welfare Check = Not A Right
*** Any questions?
Mark Garnett on February 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM
NONE!
ouldbollix on February 19, 2009 at 10:38 AM
North Korea is threatening war with South Korea and the United States may shoot down the test missile if launched.
amerpundit on February 19, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Great, so we have ANOTHER warmonger in the White House?
Code Pink was curiosly unavailable for comment.
Bishop on February 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Looks like that “soft power” from Powers and Rice is off to a shaky start.
“Smart Power” worked out so well last time when the Clintons gave them billions of dollars and hardware to help make their nuclear ambitions a reality.
I guess blowing another countries missile out of the sky is considered “smart power” by Clinton.
If Bush had threatned this,democrats would have called it “more of that Cowboy dipolomacy” from the imperialist and accused him of trying to start more wars.
This will be no problem for Mrs. Smart Power either.The Clintons did not demand verification and oversight when they handed all that money and hardware to N. Korea in the 90′s.
The Clintons probably did not want to hurt their feelings
by showing dis-trust.Real “Smart” way of handling a rogue
communist regime he!! bent on building a Nuclear Bomb.
This is probably just a distraction.
Jong is probably just pissed that the Obama coin set he ordered turned out to be just a bunch of stickers smacked on 50 cent pieces.
Just give him another Basketball Hillary,it worked out so well last time.
Baxter Greene on February 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM
It kills me that the Dems seem to think the right to healthcare is in the Constitution…BUT the right to life is not.
Our rights are..the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That means to me that killing a child in the womb is taking the right of life away from that child.
becki51758 on February 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Jong is probably just pissed that the Obama coin set he ordered turned out to be just a bunch of stickers smacked on 50 cent pieces.
hahahaa
becki51758 on February 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM
This would be the same missile defense that President Obambi wanted to stop funding.
amerpundit on February 19, 2009 at 10:43 AM
I could not have summed it up any better!!! Well Done.
search4truth on February 19, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Obama’s inept initiatives will soon drive the stock market into negative territory. Nothing this guy does has any positive effect on the economy . . . “Isiocracy”, here we come.
rplat on February 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Mr. 57 states wants to gut our missile defense and the future of our strategic power by gutting our space weapons systems while other countries strengthen theirs.
Challenges loom as Obama seeks space weapon ban
Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:14am ESTs
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE50O15X20090125
By Andrea Shalal-Esa – Analysis
While China and Iran are doing this:
Iran sends first home-built satellite into orbit
Feb 3 12:55 PM US/Eastern
http://www.breitbart.com/print.php?id=CNG.3e5b3380bcbfdbe5b23eefd4c8b110b2.6f1&show_article=1
“Yes We Can”
Baxter Greene on February 19, 2009 at 11:12 AM
A little off topic:
http://news.aol.com/article/green-comet/347278
A green backwards appearing comet is moving through the skies conjunct with Regulus star. In ancient days that might mean astrologically the death of a powerful king or empire. I hope that doesn’t foreshadow something happening to Mr. Obama or the USA or Israel (especially since Mr. Obama is going to travel overseas soon-to his homeland?)
eaglewingz08 on February 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM
The homeland comment was just a joke for liberals who need a life.
eaglewingz08 on February 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Savior-based Judicial Economic Governance
maverick muse on February 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Ben Stein had a good comment, yesterday. He asked: “Where is the bailout for everybody who has lost money in the stock market?” He wasn’t asking for himself, but making the point that millions of Americans have lost one third or one half of their retirement savings. If one accepts the idea that we have to prop up people whose mortgage is under water, why stop there?
Star20 on February 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Media malpractice.
ex-Democrat on February 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM
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Hey Bishop, just curious, where do you live? Do they really typically put swimming pools in high schools where you live, or were you being sarcastic? Seriously, I live in a far West Texas border town, and no school except the University , has a pool. Too property poor, no money for luxuries like pools.
Susanboo on February 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM
And there you have it.
Anything else is just pandering.
Count to 10 on February 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM
I want to know when we’re going to take to the streets. I’m not a leader, but I’m a damn good follower, and my pitchfork is hanging in the garage. Just let me know.
labwriter on February 19, 2009 at 11:57 AM
“It kills me that the Dems seem to think the right to healthcare is in the Constitution…BUT the right to life is not.
Our rights are..the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That means to me that killing a child in the womb is taking the right of life away from that child.
becki51758 on February 19, 2009 at 10:40 AM”
I totally agree. Health care a right but it would be nice if it could be more affordable. We need it because we do get sick, etc but it isn’t something enshrined in our constitution. The right to LIFE is and yet the democrats in particular has enshrined in their platform the supposed “right” to kill the pre-born. What about their right to life???
rapunzel77 on February 19, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Not really off topic is it? First, they take the bumper stickers!
mph on February 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM
I meannt that health care is not a right.
rapunzel77 on February 19, 2009 at 12:20 PM
“I could not have summed it up any better!!! Well Done.”
Agreed!
rapunzel77 on February 19, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Obama needs to explain how he plans to bail out the bailout mentality he’s enabling.
Christien on February 19, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Considering their HIT Squad will be killing off the elderly (and all of us) to save money for the good of the collective, it’s not really that much of a contradiction, is it?
Rae on February 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM
.
Having dinner last night, we heard on TV something about the government paying up to $1,000 on the principle each year.
I said to my husband, how can we get them to give us $1,000 a year off our principle? Cause that would be sweet.
Alana on February 19, 2009 at 12:37 PM
You know who the Messiah and his disciples remind me of; ironically the Pharisees, who orchestrated the crucifixion of Christ. Substitute ‘not healing on the Sabbath’ for Mary Landrieu’s statement that ‘the age of individual empowerment is dead’.
technopeasant on February 19, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Doesn’t this plan already exist? It’s called a short-sale.
Just taking one market as an example . . . How would this scheme help, say, a middle-class person living in Southern California? Prices there have dropped drastically of course, but still not enough to put even a modest home within reach of most working families. $700,000 for a 2 BR, 1200 square foot shack (a term I do not use loosely) in Los Angeles? This is INSANITY. Certainly prices will never be in California what they are in other parts of the country b/c land is finite and so many people want to live in the Golden State. But the market was more competitive in the early 90s after the last bubble burst, and I think it’s safe to say that’s because Washington wasn’t meddling and artificially keeping prices high. If they would stay out of it again this time, and let the people who can’t afford to pay just default or work out their own terms with the lenders, eventually prices would settle at a place where people could start buying again and getting conventional loans to finance. At the other end of the spectrum, I have a piece of property in Florida that I own outright. I would dearly love to sell it, but no one is buying. Of course, I don’t qualify for any “help” because I’m not upside down on the house. But the schmoes down the street who are, are gonna get a bail out.
This Plan o’ Salvation for homeowners is NOT going to make homeownership more attainable — it’s going to do the opposite. And once again, those of us who follow the rules, who don’t get in over our heads, who have enough in the way of basic arithmetic skills to figure out that we can’t afford to fritter half our take home pay away on a mortgage, get stuck holding the bag.
When does the revolution begin?
NoLeftTurn on February 19, 2009 at 1:39 PM
It won’t help a lot of people in California because their loan amounts are too high. The program applies only to “coforming” loans that are within the Fannie/Freddie loan limits. Right now that’s $417,000. So those poor saps who bought the $700,000 McMansions in Riverside with the no-down interest-only loans are still screwed.
rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 2:35 PM
The Obama is in the details.
sannhet on February 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM
April 15th, 2009
Califemme on February 19, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Excellent post, Ed.
I really enjoyed reading this. The negative effects of “Hope and Change” will lead straight to socialism-Venzuela style- economics for the USA.
ColtsFan on February 19, 2009 at 3:58 PM
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