California breaks budget impasse; Update: Tax swap, not cut

posted at 10:52 am on February 19, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The California Republican rebellion in the state Senate has ended, and California has a budget deal.  Democrats negotiated for the one Republican vote they needed and got it from Abel Maldonado, in exchange for an elimination of a gas tax increase and some electoral reforms.  The agreement will still mean billions of dollars in new taxes for an already-overburdened state economy:

The state Senate approved a long-awaited budget early Thursday intended to wipe out a $42 billion deficit, possibly steering the state clear of a fiscal disaster.

Leaders secured the final vote needed from a moderate Republican in late-night negotiations by agreeing to his demands for election changes, government reform and removal of a gas tax increase, giving them the two-thirds needed to pass the package, 27-12.

The budget awaited approval from the state Assembly, which had been expected to approve previous budget deals earlier this week but has yet to weigh in on the late changes. The Assembly was set to take up the bill immediately.

What did Maldonado get for his vote?  One point in particular appears to have clinched the deal.  Democrats agreed to put a referendum on the ballot approving open primaries, which Maldonado hopes will generate more moderate candidates for general elections.  California has had closed primaries for decades, and some people attribute that to the polarized nature of California politics.  On the other hand, it will likely open the door to partisan mischief through Operation Chaos-like organized protests.

Other than that, the big win for Maldonado was the removal of a big increase in the state’s gasoline tax, which is already sky-high.  He also demanded more program cuts than in the previous agreement, an end to legislative pay increases when budget deficits arise, and to cancel the order of new office furniture for the state controller.  The change in the gas tax and the sundry budget cuts Maldonado demanded now put budget cuts higher than tax increases ($15B to $12B, respectively).

The Assembly will likely pass this immediately, rather than drag it out over the loss of the gas tax. It’s a net loss for Republicans, and also for Californians.  They already pay almost the highest overall tax rate in the country.  Despite what Schwarzenegger says, the problem isn’t a lack of taxes — it’s a lack of fiscal discipline and an overly large nanny state.  Cutting 10% of California’s budget, which is what this does, is about as effective as cutting 10% of one’s sugar intake for diabetic management.  A responsible legislature would redline vast amounts of the state’s bureaucracy, paring it back to a per-capita outlay in alignment with most of the other states in the nation.  in FY2006, California ranked 6th in the nation, behind Alaska, Hawaii, Delaware, New York, and Wyoming.

Update: HA reader Ryan S points out that the elimination of the gas tax doesn’t actually eliminate the extra tax burden, according to the Sacramento Bee:

Leaders also agreed to Maldonado’s demand to eliminate the 12-cent additional gas tax, which was estimated to bring in $2.1 billion through June 2010. The money will be replaced with a 0.25 percent increase in the state income tax, federal stimulus dollars and more than $600 million in line-item vetoes.

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One point in particular appears to have clinched the deal. Democrats agreed to put a referendum on the ballot approving open primaries, which Maldonado hopes will generate more moderate candidates for general elections.

That’ll help, you moron.

Vashta.Nerada on February 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM

just think what specter and crew could have extracted if they held out, as for this deal I suspect the spending caps will be circumvented and the tax increases will remain. The elimination of the gas tax is a minor win, but overall its another rotten deal.

rob verdi on February 19, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Traitor. Open primaries in California means the end of real conservatism there. The Republicans that end up in the legislature will be a caucus of Specters.

Jim62sch on February 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Once again, the GOP is caving. Surprised they held out this long…..

search4truth on February 19, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Hey look, is that a new ‘fuel distribution fee’ over there?

Vashta.Nerada on February 19, 2009 at 10:58 AM

So they eliminate the gas tax, yet still raise all the other taxes(including sales)? Yeah that’ll help Californians.

Like I’ve said before, they’re welcome to move down here to Texas, but they better damn well leave their liberal voting tendencies behind!

Doughboy on February 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM

How will they make up for the missing gas tax they wanted?

“”The money will be replaced with a 0.25 percent increase in the state income tax, federal stimulus dollars and more than $600 million in line-item vetoes.”"

So income taxes go up, they use temporary federal dollars that won’t solve the underlying spending problems and line-item vetos that also don’t have long term effects.

The last two items merely set the painful reconciliation back by one year. Unless Cali gets federal dollars every year they won’t be able to balance the budget and…..Ruh roh, I see a pattern forming.

Bishop on February 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

The elimination of the gas tax is a minor win,

No it isn’t!! They increased income tax to compensate for it. So now everyone isn’t affected. Only those of us stupid enough to have jobs in the private sector. Soon the only people left in California will be the Illegals, State workers, and the leftist, commie, legislature.

Kjeil on February 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Yes, no increase in the gas tax, but we still have to take care of the illegals in this state.For some strange reason, that’s off limits. Thanks for nothing Taxifornia.

Sanjoboy on February 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

lol. what a joke. Why does there need to law about if primaries are open or not? Political parties are private oranizations, therefore, it is up to the state party to decide if they want to allow open primaries.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Traitor. Open primaries in California means the end of real conservatism there. The Republicans that end up in the legislature will be a caucus of Specters.

Jim62sch on February 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM

And the Democrats will still be from SF.

Count to 10 on February 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how really bad politicians are at managing money. Certainly, there has to be some incredible talent out there to make a video of some sort showing just how bad and stupid politicians are with managing money. They need to be mocked and laughed at, ridiculed endlessly.

It’s like an old joke… if you ask a mathematician, he’ll tell you that 2 + 2 = 4. If you ask a statistician, he’ll tell you that it’s somewhere between 3 and 5. If you ask an accountant, he’ll ask you what you want it to be.

There has to be some great punchline for the answer a politician would give to that.

beatcanvas on February 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Dude – the problem in CA is not closed primaries it’s the gerrymandering. Draw the districts fairly and you’ll get plenty of moderates. Closed primaries are how you BUILD your party. Sheesh.

This looks to me like a win for the GOP though. There was no realistic way to cut $42 billion in spending in one budget. Maldonado held out and got something significant for the taxpayers. At least he didn’t do what Arlen Specter did and insist on a huge spending item from his own wish list.

A purely Democrat budget would have been more like 80% tax increases and 20% budget cuts. So I think the GOP can claim victory here – hopefully Arnold will give it to them.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I see no reason to have a republican party in Calif. They are worthless.

Kjeil on February 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Open primaries? Like those will help. And here we were talking about getting Steele to make all of them into closed primaries.

promachus on February 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM

The GOP caves again, at least a RINO. The party is not going to gain any traction what so ever as long as they have weak in the knees politicians such as these.

Sammy316 on February 19, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I’m a native Californian. Never thought I’d see the day I’d say this, but it’s time to move out of my beloved state. I just cannot abide the direction the liberals – and pseudo-Republicans – have taken us. They no more speak for the vast majority of real Californians than Obama speaks for real Americans.

Blue Star Rider on February 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Yes, no increase in the gas tax, but we still have to take care of the illegals in this state.For some strange reason, that’s off limits. Thanks for nothing Taxifornia.

Sanjoboy on February 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

Thank the California Supreme Court. This is not a policy choice it is a court order to provide benefits to illegals.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM

Doughboy on February 19, 2009 at 10:59 AM

Oh, no, we can’t lost texas. We already lost Colorado to those moving from California.

promachus on February 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM

I thought whether or not primaries were open or not depended on party rules, not state law.

zmdavid on February 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM

This looks to me like a win for the GOP though. There was no realistic way to cut $42 billion in spending in one budget. Maldonado held out and got something significant for the taxpayers. At least he didn’t do what Arlen Specter did and insist on a huge spending item from his own wish list.

BS… Why the hell not? The Budget went from 104 billion in 2003 to 145 billion in 2008. Cut the freaking budget.

Kjeil on February 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

send the illegals home!

NRA Lifer on February 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

There has to be some great punchline for the answer a politician would give to that.

beatcanvas on February 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM

I think the answer is: ‘give me the two. Now give me the other two. Ah – the answer is three – here is your three back. No, you can’t look into my pockets…..’

Vashta.Nerada on February 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Every Republican Whig party has its Arlen Specter.

james23 on February 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM

Another day, another Republican sellout. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Percy_Peabody on February 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Democrats agreed to put a referendum on the ballot approving open primaries, which Maldonado hopes will generate more moderate candidates for general elections.

In the great tradition of the Declaration of Independence… this brave man is pledging somebody else’s livelihood, california’s fortunes and his scared centrality… to generate more moderate candidates.

American statesmanship at its finest.

mankai on February 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Fellow soon-to-be-poor californians: want to see how much you will pay after this fiasco? Sacramento Bee has a calculator here.

This calculator still shows the gas tax. But one thing that it doesn’t include is the TAX ON PAYING YOUR TAX. After you compute how much income tax you owe the state, a surcharge is calculated on that!

We need to overthrow – not overhaul – our state government. It is a government of the government, by the government and for the government.

In this country, I’ve never seen a local government with as much disrespect, contempt and scorn for its own people.

kurtzz3 on February 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Gas tax is paid primarily by people who WORK and the most tax is paid by people who drive the most – i.e. conservatives who live in the outer suburbs and farm owners. It also is a very regressive tax; older cars owned by poorer people get the worst gas mileage.

It would have been better to increase the sales tax than the state income tax to make up for the revenue though.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:09 AM

When will we get past this myth of the “Moderate”? When will we get passed the whole theory of “if only/we need more moderates to win elections”?

This thinking gave us McCain as the POTUS nominee. How did that work out? “Moderates” like Snow, Specter and Collins have given us the ‘stimulus’. Moderation works well, huh?!

I’m not saying there can’t and shouldn’t be compromise or ‘moderation’ in politics. But when it comes to ELECTIONS partisanship is what wins, NOT moderation!

Open primaries? Is this guy insane? The reason we get inundated with crappy candidates who don’t have a snowballs chance is because of open primaries. Primaries should be closed, period!

catmman on February 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Send him your congratulations:

http://cssrc.us/web/15/contact_us.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

mankai on February 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

This is great news!!!
For states looking for business’s to re-locate that want to move out of Kalifornia.

With this agreement Kalifornia has signaled that it is now socialist and any business that wants to stay will pay HIGHER taxes and be bullied by UNIONS.

izoneguy on February 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

It would have been better to increase the sales tax than the state income tax to make up for the revenue though.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:09 AM

It would have been better to have just cut spending.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Just wanted to add my defense of Wyoming, lest there be any misunderstanding of per capita spending. Wyoming is the ninth largest state with the smallest population. With only 500,000 people, the per capita spending is completely out of the norm for any other state.

California needs to step back into the business of governance and not entitlement, IMHO.

Tennman on February 19, 2009 at 11:12 AM

BS… Why the hell not? The Budget went from 104 billion in 2003 to 145 billion in 2008. Cut the freaking budget.

Kjeil on February 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

A 40% budget cut in one fell swoop? Right. You know what that would bring? Closing community colleges and ports and health clinics and DMVs and firing health inspectors. That’s what always happens. Here in PA people are in an uproar over Ed Rendell chopping a $2 million Governor’s Scholars program.

Everybody wants somebody else’s programs cut. Governments always trot out the most popular items for cuts and get people riled up.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:13 AM

So, it turns out the standoff was NOT about Philosophy, they were just haggling over the price….

and the price was? The destruction of the primary system.

Your new California legislatars will be Dems… and Dem Lights…

Oh, and on the Tax question? STUPID… he moved the tax from one everyone pays, to one just the few pay (as a lot of folks don’t pay income tax… 50% soon?)…

So… lets see… Income redistributtion thorugh the Tax system, with fewer people bearing the burden… and the destruction of closed primaries…

Are you sure this guy is even a Republican?

Romeo13 on February 19, 2009 at 11:13 AM

The US might one day need to create a “free market zone” similar to Hon Kong if this keeps up lol

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:13 AM

HIGHER taxes and be bullied by UNIONS

Newspeak: “Paradise”

mankai on February 19, 2009 at 11:13 AM

more rotten then I thought.

rob verdi on February 19, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I think the answer is: ‘give me the two. Now give me the other two. Ah – the answer is three – here is your three back. No, you can’t look into my pockets…’

Vashta.Nerada on February 19, 2009 at 11:06 AM

Love that… that’s a pretty good response :)

beatcanvas on February 19, 2009 at 11:15 AM

It would have been better to increase the sales tax than the state income tax to make up for the revenue though.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:09 AM

So, seeing as how only about HALF of the people pay INCOME tax now… you would shift the burden from EVERYONE paying the tax… through the Gax tax, to HALF paying the tax, through the Income Tax…

Yeah, sounds really fair to me…. NOT.

Romeo13 on February 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM

If Maldonado was going to be an idiot and vote for this, he should have asked for special tax on Hollywood film studios. Make the progressives in that industry complain how higher taxes will hurt their business.

WashJeff on February 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM

I live in CA. If we had simply put into place this year the budget from 2003, we’d have nearly a $40 billion surplus.

However, this budget is probably the best we could get this year. I retire in four years and I am leaving my home state. That’s sad for me, but I need to go where my money will go further. I’m moving to a low tax state and will vote to keep it that way.

sdillard on February 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Californians drove over the cliff long ago. The legislature just hit the accelerator so that the impact at the bottom is harder.

InterestedObserver on February 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM

Not raising the gas tax will be a moot point anyway.

Obama is against drilling and when prices for oil hit all time
records – and they will – then gas in CA will be $6-$8 per gallon anyway.

Nothing lasts forever – I would say the CA gold rush is over.

Now people will be leaving CA and head to Oklahoma – a reverse of “The Grapes of Wrath” – how about “Wrath of the Taxes”

izoneguy on February 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM

SELLOUT SELLOUT SELLOUT SELLOUT SELLOUT SELLOUT SELLOUT

thmcbb on February 19, 2009 at 11:18 AM

This calculator still shows the gas tax. But one thing that it doesn’t include is the TAX ON PAYING YOUR TAX. After you compute how much income tax you owe the state, a surcharge is calculated on that!

kurtzz3 on February 19, 2009 at 11:08 AM

Paying taxes on taxes? WTF? You’re right though… time to not move to Texas, but to Sacramento to burn the place down.

When will we get past this myth of the “Moderate”? When will we get passed the whole theory of “if only/we need more moderates to win elections”?

catmman on February 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Amen. Close the primaries. Any organization, or person for that matter, that isn’t explicitly right wing will eventually turn left wing.

If ‘moderates’ want to run, let them run as independents or democrats.

Chaz706 on February 19, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Why cut school budgets, Arnold? What California need is the elimination of public education, entirely.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:19 AM

However, this budget is probably the best we could get this year.

Statements like this are exactly why the Marxists are free to continue their march, and Vichy Republicans like Maldonado think they can get away with it.

doubleplusundead on February 19, 2009 at 11:19 AM

I’m glad we won’t have to pay the gasoline tax but apparently our car registration fee will go up. We will be able to vote on the open primary. Texas is looking better and better. However, two of our kids don’t want to leave.

Rose on February 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM

When will we get past this myth of the “Moderate”?

catmman on February 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Moderates are people who have no firm principles… and there are a lot of people like that. Not sure what you mean by “myth,” unless the myth is that people without firm principles will somehow be attracted to vote for people who do have firm principles.

beatcanvas on February 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Taxing taxes? Now that’s weird.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM

Hey California, hope you enjoy losing more people and businesses to other states, ’cause you’re gonna…

CP on February 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM

I see no reason to have a republican party in Calif. They are worthless.

Kjeil on February 19

Actually I see no reason for you to be breathing the air on this planet as you are a worthless liberal sychophant.
Why dont you propse a single party for the nation too? We could all be a member of the “party” comrade.
What is wrong with you freaking liberal scumbags that think that your view is tyhe only view? Wake up to the fact that 47% of the public voted against your socialist hero “The One”!(Tm)

ObamatheMessiah on February 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM

LOL –

Can we sell California to the highest bidder?

tarpon on February 19, 2009 at 11:23 AM

The new California bill does provide for an “Adopt a Non-Taxpayer” program. California taxpayers will be linked up with non-taxpayers in the state. The taxpayer will receive monthly updates regard on the non-taxpayer is doing with their money, including:
- Their new government refinanced mortgage.
- Emergency room visits
- Food stamps received

Maldonado said this new “Adopt a Nontaxpayer” program will help the taxpayers of California feel good about their contributions to society by making it personal.

credit to Dennis Miller for the idea.

WashJeff on February 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Abel Maldonado

There’s always one in every crowd…sometimes you can even find three.

sdd on February 19, 2009 at 11:24 AM

ObamatheMessiah on February 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM

http://www.ca.lp.org/

The Libertarian Party of California has a better platform.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM

When will we get past this myth of the “Moderate”? When will we get passed the whole theory of “if only/we need more moderates to win elections”?

This thinking gave us McCain as the POTUS nominee. How did that work out? “Moderates” like Snow, Specter and Collins have given us the ’stimulus’. Moderation works well, huh?!

I’m not saying there can’t and shouldn’t be compromise or ‘moderation’ in politics. But when it comes to ELECTIONS partisanship is what wins, NOT moderation!

Open primaries? Is this guy insane? The reason we get inundated with crappy candidates who don’t have a snowballs chance is because of open primaries. Primaries should be closed, period!

catmman on February 19, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Well California may have changed in the last 20 years. But when I was there in 1989-90 and working in the legislature there were quite a few moderates in both parties. The hardcore leftists like Dan Burton and Tom Hayden and Maxine Waters were more comic relief than anything. Now they run the damn place and then they graduate to Congress.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:25 AM

throw that guy out of the party

Defector01 on February 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM

ObamatheMessiah on February 19, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Cool Nick! You are right. The Scum Bag Kool-Aid drinkers are loons. This makes me sick that Maldanodo is a Traitor Rino. He needs to lose re election. Arnuld is worse then Davies was. He needs to get out as well. I was a Democrat until the Man Child said he was running. I re registered Republican as quickly as I could. Ca. is running this State in the Ground. Resistnet.com is a great site. Ca. has a site with them. We are raising hell. The more the merrier.

sheebe on February 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Looks like I will be donating to whoever runs against this ass. Thanks for nothing.

jukin on February 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM

There has to be some great punchline for the answer a politician would give to that.

beatcanvas on February 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Any politician or a CA politician? A CA pol would complain about the lack of diversity in the numbers of that equation.

swash_plate on February 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM

A moderate politician just means he or she is in it for themselves. They have no principles.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Too bad for the minority of Conservative Californians who can’t afford to vote with their feet.

However, many of us can only giggle at the Liberal quagmire that California now epitomizes.

Wallow in your progressive “utopia”.

there it is on February 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Mr. M should hold his head in shame….

The GOP should dismiss him or at least refuse to aid him ever again in elections.

Tim Burton on February 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

You have to stand for SOMETHING. You can’t just go to congress and vote on whatever “feels” right. You need to base your beliefs on something.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Just heard that Calif. is going to raise spending in next budget by 9 billon$.These fools have just signed the death warrent for the late great golden state.

thmcbb on February 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM

I look forward to the bloodbath that will be the 2010 elections. If you voted for this piece of crap, start packing. And you can save any money you have by not bothering to run for office again.

GarandFan on February 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM

If you never have to face the consequences of your actions, then there’s no incentive to act responsibly. Politicians are notoriously poor fiscal managers because they are almost never held to account for their mismanagement. It takes a person with strong moral character and courage to consistently restrain him or herself when there is no down side to irresponsibility. Unfortunately, Able Maldonado reminds us that there are precious few such people in government.

So Cal Jim on February 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I look forward to the bloodbath that will be the 2010 elections. If you voted for this piece of crap, start packing. And you can save any money you have by not bothering to run for office again.

GarandFan on February 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM

You voed for this guy in the primaries?

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:32 AM

It’s like an old joke… if you ask a mathematician, he’ll tell you that 2 + 2 = 4. If you ask a statistician, he’ll tell you that it’s somewhere between 3 and 5. If you ask an accountant, he’ll ask you what you want it to be.

There has to be some great punchline for the answer a politician would give to that.

beatcanvas on February 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM

For a politician, it’s whatever number his biggest contributor wants it to be (plus whatever number the politician has stashed away in his/her offshore accounts).

AZCoyote on February 19, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Congress a microcosm that shows us why democracy fails.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:34 AM

“We’re stuck in a hole down here , can someone throw down a shovel?”

the_nile on February 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM

All funding for illegals should stop, first.

Let the courts howl, but save the money now, and worry about their suicidal judicial activism later.

profitsbeard on February 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM

State taxes are already the highest in the US. So, even raising them a fraction is too much.

California has had closed primaries for decades, and some people attribute that to the polarized nature of California politics. On the other hand, it will likely open the door to partisan mischief through Operation Chaos-like organized protests.

Oh, great. Of course, they are going to screw over any republican candidate running. What an idiot idea. The solution is to redistrict but it keeps losing on the ballot because so many outsiders, including republican outsider bloggers who don’t know what the hell they are talking about, rally against it.

Blake on February 19, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Oh, no, we can’t lost texas. We already lost Colorado to those moving from California.

promachus on February 19, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Don’t forget OR, WA, ID, MT. Also coming soon to a theater near you:
ND
SD
MN-already lost

Badger40 on February 19, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Thank God I got to live in CA when it was only semi-screwed up (70′s).
I have fond memories of my Orange county YMCA summer camps as a child in CA.

Badger40 on February 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM

We.are.SO.screwed.

Bob's Kid on February 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

All funding for illegals should stop, first.

Let the courts howl, but save the money now, and worry about their suicidal judicial activism later.

profitsbeard on February 19, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Do you know how you stop this? You stop mandating that hospitals must treat anyone that walks in its doors. I thought hospitals were supposed to be private? You can’t turn customers with no money away? Well, the initial shock would create quite a stir, but when you think down the road, you’ll find that no gov intervention in healthcare will be beneficial to us all.

Or you can just mandate that noone be treated without a social security card lol. but that wouldn’t be my choice.

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every step you take
They’ll be taxing you

Every single day
Every word you say
Every night you stay
They’ll be taxing you

Oh, cant you see
You belong to the collective we
How for your money the legislature’s heart aches
With every step you take

Every move you make
Every dollar you make
Every claim you stake
They’ll be taxing you

MB4 on February 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Actually I see no reason for you to be breathing the air on this planet as you are a worthless liberal sychophant.
Why dont you propse a single party for the nation too? We could all be a member of the “party” comrade.
What is wrong with you freaking liberal scumbags that think that your view is tyhe only view? Wake up to the fact that 47% of the public voted against your socialist hero “The One”!(Tm)

The reason I see no need for the California Republican Party is they don’t stand for anything. Are they against raising Taxes? No! If they don’t stand for fiscal sanity, and they certainly don’t stand for moral sanity, what is left? Why should a give another penny to the CRNC?

I guess you aren’t big on reading comprehension.

Kjeil on February 19, 2009 at 11:42 AM

Is this Nancy Boy from SF?

sabbott on February 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Spock: Jim, They are Dying!

Kirk: Let them Die…”

GunRunner on February 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM

MB4 on February 19, 2009 at 11:41 AM

They should remake that song to say that lol

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM

What did Maldonado get for his vote? One point in particular appears to have clinched the deal. Democrats agreed to put a referendum on the ballot approving open primaries, which Maldonado hopes will generate more moderate candidates for general elections.

When I read the headline, I was quite concerned. Now that I see what Maldonado got, I would have done the same. In fact, besides some environmental issues, I don’t know that anything else matters as much to me as fiscal restraint and political moderation.

thuja on February 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

This crap is coming to a state near you…
This lone politician thinks he’s a hero. Wrong, He’ll never get elected to higher office.
He sold his vote for a concession to allow an open primary ballot measure on the May 17 special election. He’s finished along with the rest of the NO TAX PLEDGE republicans.
When they say they won’t raise taxes don’t believe them. when they call themselves republican don’t believe them.

We threw out the Senate leadership too late. No republicans stood up calling for removing the leadership while the leaders were in closed door with Governor Arnold Kennedy dealing their NO TAX PLEDGE for 70 billion in tax hikes over the next 5 years.
Johnny, get your gun…

MALICIOUS DISORDER on February 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM

When I read the headline, I was quite concerned. Now that I see what Maldonado got, I would have done the same. In fact, besides some environmental issues, I don’t know that anything else matters as much to me as fiscal restraint and political moderation.

thuja on February 19, 2009 at 11:45 AM

You prefer open primaries? LOL

Libertarian Joseph on February 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Open primaries? What happened to his statement about that he was not holding out for things for himself?
What a joke.

Rocks on February 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Open primaries in California means the end of real conservatism there.

Jim62sch on February 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM

And? Is “real conservatism” actually running anything in California? (And is it likely to do so under any system of primaries?)

paul006 on February 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM

What did Maldonado get for his vote?

Maldo’s an idiot just like Snowe,Spector, and Collins. The LA Times started one article yesterday with “The California State Budget Gap may get resolved soon”

BUDGET GAP????? Give me a break! 30 billion over a balanced budget is now called a GAP???

This state (my state) is frikken broke, and yet they still continue to NOT STOP SPENDING! I hope this state has to go bankrupt and send ripples across the world.

The Bee also wrote this headline yesterday:

“In what could be a break in state budget talks…..”

My response posted in the Bee:

A “break” for who? Certainly not working taxpayers. Maldonado thinks punishing legislators to complete a budget is a priority while this state burns in economic hell? And he thinks an open primary will help in a future political process? I give up…..they’re all idiots. Let this state go bankrupt and throw the whole government under a large bus, and start over by electing people that run their own SUCESSFULL businesses because they operate on the primise that you can only spend what you can afford. This whole society has gotten into trouble exclusively by the our governments allowing the extention of credit……..borrowing beyond our means. IT HAS TO STOP NOW!

Rant/off

Rovin on February 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Dude – the problem in CA is not closed primaries it’s the gerrymandering. Draw the districts fairly and you’ll get plenty of moderates. Closed primaries are how you BUILD your party. Sheesh.

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Right – I live in El Dorado County, and my State Senate Rep is from Lodi? Makes complete sense.

BS… Why the hell not? The Budget went from 104 billion in 2003 to 145 billion in 2008. Cut the freaking budget.
Kjeil on February 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Not only that , it was $56 billion in 1998. We almost TRIPPLED state sepnding in 10 years. Spending is the problem.

I live in CA. If we had simply put into place this year the budget from 2003, we’d have nearly a $40 billion surplus.
sdillard on February 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM

We should just use 02/03 as a baseline, and lock it in for 2 years. Then call a constitutional convention and cry havoc.

juanito on February 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Open primaries in California means the end of real conservatism there.

Jim62sch on February 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Can anybody show me what “real conservatism” has gotten accomplished in California? Any real conservatives win a statewide election? Do they have any influence in the legislature?

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM

This crap is coming to a state near you…MALICIOUS DISORDER on February 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM

MD’s got it right here folks. California has always been the root of most infections that spead across the “fruited plains”. The mental morons from LA and SF control the social policies that effect/infect this entire nation. If you can’t put this in perspective, take your state’s current deficit (and by California’s “standards”) TRIPLE IT!

Rovin on February 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Open primaries? It’ll be a state of Mavericks! Why is that even in a budget? Geez, I love California, but this is stupid. It’s like knowing your little brother does meth.

I think we’ll see another real estate boom in Arizona and Nevada real soon.

Johnson on February 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Meanwhile, there is oodles of oil to be found off the California Coast which would bring billions to the state’s coffers while providing jobs, but nooooh, we can’t have that because of tools like this:

Lt. Gov. John Garamendi, one of three members of the lands panel, said allowing any new drilling in state waters would suggest the state welcomes offshore drilling and send a come-hither message to other oil companies. His view was echoed by legislators from coastal districts, including Assemblyman Pedro Nava, who represents Santa Barbara.

Buy Danish on February 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Do they have any influence in the legislature?

rockmom on February 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Not for forty years mom…..going all the way back to before Pat Brown. Only the 2/3′s majority needed to pass any tax increase has slowed down the Dems socialist lunacy.

Rovin on February 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

Dude – the problem in CA is not closed primaries it’s the gerrymandering. Draw the districts fairly and you’ll get plenty of moderates. Closed primaries are how you BUILD your party. Sheesh.

Rockmom,

That redistricting problem was fixed in the last election when Proposition 11 was passed. Now redistricting for the legislature is in the hands of a bipartisan commission, rather than the legislative majority. It’s a slow-acting, long-term change, and it only applies to the legislature, not our congressional delegation, but it is a welcome reform.

irishspy on February 19, 2009 at 12:07 PM

If we simply drilled off the coast we’d have a surplus.
I can’t blame Governor Arnold Kennedy entirely for going complete democrat. As he promised a couple of years ago he had a special election that would have eliminated gerrymandering , cap spending, and a whole host of other problems. The five propositions failed because NO ONE CAME OUT TO VOTE. The election had the lowest participation in any election…
He lost part two of what he campaigned for during his election because you fools sat home.

MALICIOUS DISORDER on February 19, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Except for that fact Californians are spineless sheep, there should be breaking live traffic helicopter video of two massive traffic jams in LA for the next two weeks: 1) the exodus east on the 10 and 2) the march north on Sacra-tomato…

phreshone on February 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM

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