New AG Holder: When it comes to race, America is a “nation of cowards”
posted at 4:00 pm on February 18, 2009 by Allahpundit
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So saith the first black Attorney General, appointed by the black president we cowardly Americans just elected — which, last time I checked, is one more than any European country’s ever elected — during a speech honoring America’s officially recognized Black History Month. The key bit comes about a minute in. There’s nothing shocking about this, unless it’s how pedestrian it is. It’s the same old nonsense about having an “honest” conversation on race, which typically means agreeing root and branch with the leftist position on any policy issue that touches that subject (e.g., illegal immigration) on penalty of being called a racist. The boss notes the irony of Holder uncorking this on a day when “civil rights leader” Al Sharpton is demagoging the hell out of the New York Post for an innocent cartoon, but there’s an irony even more sublime here: Obama himself did everything he could to avoid race during the campaign — aside from the occasional insinuation that McCain’s a bigot — until the Wright uproar forced his hand. He could have used his platform to push the issue front and center but he decided he’d rather get elected. Holder owes his job to that, ahem, cowardice.
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I think I will take him up on his bet. The company I work for has 27 different locations spread across the damned south (Louisiana, Texas, and Mississippi). I am pretty much the help desk for the company, so I know every one of the managers, on a first name basis. I show my face in the stores when needed and have met everyone in the company at least once (as long as they have been here a few months).
Included in our employees are quite a few militant black ppl. When I say “Hi! How’s your day going?” they will not acknowledge me, and I just ignore it.
But since our new AG has pretty much ordered me to make things better, I am going to force myself to open a conversation about race relations.
Let’s hope that our company does not have a class action lawsuit against it because I made some employees feel ‘uncomfortable’ because I brought up the conversation of race relations (been there 13 years, and my age is 36).
Wish me luck!
lsutiger on February 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM
*sigh*
Did you actually look at the data on the bureau’s graph? You’ll notice there’s this massive dip in black murder rates beginning in the early 90s (hint Clinton Administration) and which flatlines during the Bush era. Now let’s compare that to the data in this link which shows economic growth for those in the bottom ranges of the economy during the 80s and 90s.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SZpa2MmFMzI/AAAAAAAAA8A/hYSNYifyurc/s1600-h/clinton2.PNG
It’s wierd. As those in the bottom of the economic scale begin to do drastically better, the black murder rate starts to plummet. That seems to led credence to my argument that POVERTY, rather than race have a lot more to do with an individuals liklihood to commit violent crime. Thanks for proving my fracking point.
I’ll also add that according to the DOJ the vast majority of black murders are committed against black people (not whites) *and* that they are almost always related to drugs in some way. But is talking about our nation’s ridiculous war on drugs and its effects on inner city areas allowed? Or are we just supposed to talk about murder rates outside of context?
DeathToMediaHacks on February 18, 2009 at 10:13 PM
AHUG! Someone please help me.. Didn’t a bunch of American WHITE folks just elect a BLACK man for the highest office in the land?
JeffVader on February 18, 2009 at 10:14 PM
He’s okay, but he does hide quite a bit. And his stormfront references are beyond the pale. They are nothing but pure attempts at (racial) intimidation – which really tick me off and are proof that he wants nothing close to an honest discussion. But this is not unusual and why most people have no desire to even try to have honest discussions about race, or racial subcultures, or whatever label people want to put on it Honesty is just not allowed in these areas, lest feelings get hurt.
progressoverpeace on February 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Up yours, holder and yours , too DTMH
MNDavenotPC on February 18, 2009 at 10:17 PM
And I never heard Eric Holder say “white America” refuses to talk about race. He said “America” that includes ALL of us. But it’s amazing that conservatives still think “America” is just only them. No I’m not perfect.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 18, 2009 at 10:18 PM
JeffVader…
you go, boy!
my sentiments exactly
those like Death have forever lost their right to complain about how unfair america is. if you got the will, you can find a way. get over it!
sandlin71 on February 18, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Dude you consistently say incredibly offensive and racist crap on nearly every thread about Obama. You calling anyone “beyond the pale” is ridiculous. As for “racial intimidation” whatevs, if you think I’ve done nothing but call people names without any analysis I can’t help you as it’s not the case.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 18, 2009 at 10:20 PM
I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that poverty can cause crime, where we will disagree is what actually causes that poverty.
I will say it is generation after generation of young girls getting pregnant with no fathers, and you will probably say it is institutionalized racism. So how do we go about determining who is correct?
And yes there are tons of white, asian, latino families in this same boat, and they are also just as poor, however, they appear to consist of a smaller percentage of their racial population.
ClassicCon on February 18, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Death,
i never thought for one minute that he was just talking about white america. were you????
and, one can hope, can’t one?
sandlin71 on February 18, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Why thank you! I feel so validated!
SouthernGent on February 18, 2009 at 10:22 PM
I wish George Bush were still President * sigh *
Aggie95 on February 18, 2009 at 10:25 PM
I understand what you are saying, but you know what, if he is truly a black male then I can understand his sensitivity and quickness to anger on this issue. I don’t think he is right, but we are guilty of similar over the top debating techniques when it comes to other subjects. Like religion for one.
ClassicCon on February 18, 2009 at 10:25 PM
Here’s one for the ages. My daughter is a senior at a Big Ten University, and has this douchebag liberal in one of her classes. (I will protect him from nationwide embarrassment by not giving out his website.)
He’s an upper middle class white guy from an all-white suburb of Chicago (you can feel this coming, can’t you?). I am picturing DeathtoWhinyLiberals as something like this wanker.
Ah, but he somehow is down with the struggle! This guy is signed up on every minority identity group facebook page in the university. He’s involved in university (which is to say leftist) politics, of course. “Minorities in Science”, “Cultural and Minority Student Affairs Committee”, “Empower Women!”, “Support Multiculturalism!”.
He informed a girl in class recently (she had the gall to point out certain moral failure associated with having an abortion) that she may think that now, but she was more than likely to have an abortion soon, so stfu, basically.
What’s better than a half white attorney general whining about being black? Why…the white liberal rich kid from the all white suburbs telling city black kids that the ghetto “isn’t that bad”, and trying to help out all the poor minority victims by demanding their votes!
Dennis Kucinich, beware!
Jaibones on February 18, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Well we’re both correct and since you seem to be an honest merchant I suggest you check out some of the urban histories on the black migration north during WWI and then again in WWII in order to get a sense of the institutional constraints placed on african americans who now live in what we think of as “the inner city.”
One of the best is Thomas J. Sugrue, Origins of the Urban Crisis, it’s about Detroit. A little dryer but I think an even better book is Robert Self American Babylon, it’s about urban renewal/planning in Oakland and is pretty amazing stuff. What’s most interesting is the consistency of critiques lobbed against african americans. Even when black folks had ridiculously high rates of employment (in really shitty jobs) conservatives are like “no state assistance for you, stop being “lazy” etc etc.” Good reads.
Scan the comments on this thread and see how many of your fellows made that assumption. :)
DeathToMediaHacks on February 18, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Remember how, back in July 2008, Obama jumped all over Phil Gramm for saying we were a nation of whiners?
What Holder said today is far worse. It is a slap in the face to our brave military, as it is to all civilians who have worked very hard to promote diversity in the workplace. It ignores all of the progress America has made in matters of race relations since the Civil Rights Movement.
What Mr. Holder said today is right on par with words from another one of Obama’s buddies, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. To me, calling America a “nation of cowards” is as bad as shouting “G-D America”.
Obama didn’t hesitate to pounce on Phil Gramm. It will be interesting to see if he says anything substantive in reaction to Mr. Holder. I will not, however, hold my breath on this. Obama has shown a predisposition to hanging around those who love to insult not only this country, but also its citizens.
I, for one, don’t need some political hack preaching to me about race relations. Adolph Holder can go F himself.
OneVision on February 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
What does it say about Detroit
Aggie95 on February 18, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Death, based on your previous link it looks like you may have something to do with UM. And most of your books just mentioned seem to focus on the larger, norther metropolitan areas.
Being a dirty southerner, does the northern black community hold any sort of different attitudes concerning the southern black community? For instance I know many northern white people automatically feel a sense of superiority based on geographical location, but do black northerners also feel this way concerning the black southerners?
ClassicCon on February 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
A lot, it’s over 300 page book with hundreds of footnotes. Check it out from the library.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 18, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Must we be subjected to this all-black, all-the-time bitching all the time now???
D2Boston on February 18, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Just ruminating here…
300 million Americans.
12.7% [38.1 million] living below the poverty line.
12.8% [48 million]of the population Black.
80% of the population white.
7.3% of the population Asian, Hispanic, Native American or other. There is fuzziness in the numbers due to the dual listing of Hispanics…some Blacks can claim both…as can Native Americans, and Whites, and so forth…this official racial numerology just mucks things up terribly, really.
13% of the population committing 52.7% of all murders in America?
[Figures cited based on US Government Census and DoJ crime figures.]
IF indeed poverty is the major determinant of the commission of crime, as states the liberal mantra, why are not more non-Blacks out there killing everyone they encounter?
Or, are Blacks the only Americans living in poverty? Are there no poor Hispanics? Are there no Hispanic criminals/murderers? Are there truly no poor white Americans? No poor American Indians? Are Blacks really committing ALL the murders? Why are grocery stores not being robbed wholesale daily?
There is a very false assumption that poverty means one thus is forced to or has to choose to become a criminal.
Criminals in America are opportunistic, and not generally driven by economic status. The commission of a murder, for example, is a choice, not a necessity based on lack of income.
So, why then are so many Blacks seemingly committing all these murders, as compared to all the other identifiable segments of the population?
Maybe there are other reasons other than poverty?
Disregard for or contempt for the law? A lack of education? A desire to skip the hard work to get ahead? Opportunism? Perhaps in some segments of the population even a cultural imperative?
Unless one can examine on a case by case basis why a murder was committed, for example, and then, and only then, gather together all the data on causation of murder in America and extrapolate trends and outliers regarding the data on murder, then any blanket statement that poverty makes one more prone to murder (or engage in crime) is a lie.
One cannot address a real issue or problem if one’s start point is based on a lie.
Why are not the thousands of non-Blacks in Appalachia living below the poverty line out there killing everyone they encounter?
Why are not thousands and thousands of rural Non-Black Americans in poor counties in Ohio, Indiana, Alabama, Maryland and other states daily committing murder and other heinous crimes? Or poor Hispanics in the Southwest? Or American Indians?
Obama called for an honest conversation about race in America…but immediately when one attempts to do so, one finds oneself being labeled a racist, and the scope of the conversation is immediately limited, or shut down completely, by the restraints of political correctness.
As much as I differ with Dr. Bill Cosby (based on his politics) at least he is willing to get out there and try to discern why Blacks in many many parts of our nation are still living in poverty, are still perpetuating the stereotypes, are still more than willing to be involved in or condone crime, are more than willing to abandon their responsibilities as a male parent…and a lot more.
Over breakfast last week, while in DC, a recently-retired fairly senior FBI official [and lifelong friend] told me that a huge number of murders in America (he didn’t have the exact figures on him at the time) are committed within a mile or two of a Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard or Malcolm X Street…and this FBI official was born and raised in East St. Louis, Illinois, and he was visibly angry over this bit of crime trivia.
I disagree wholeheartedly with our new Attorney General.
For his “cowards” statement alone, he has disqualified himself from being able to address matters of law in this Nation with impartiality…and that does nothing to address real problems.
He is a political hack…a mouthpiece for the new month-old Administration, and not, by any standard, acting in the best interests of ALL America, nor the Constitution, in his role as the second most important law-enforcement official in our nation.
coldwarrior on February 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Almost, no U of I-Urbana champaign. And yeah there’s definitely some intra-racial north v. south stuff that goes on. Also there’s that unfortunate legacy of colorism within the black community.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 18, 2009 at 10:39 PM
Are southern blacks perceived as somehow betraying the struggle because they stayed in the historically more racist section of the country? Or is it something else? Is that what you mean by colorism?
ClassicCon on February 18, 2009 at 10:43 PM
AP its been a racy day? B-Ball, monkeys, and a nation of white cowards.. Are we really there now?
Indian Outlaw on February 18, 2009 at 10:46 PM
He said “white cowards” the projection on this topic is revealing. Psych majors?
No no, hmm how to explain it. Kind of goes back to slavery. The kids of slave owners who were “mulatto” or “light skinned” tended to gain access to education and some land/business. Often these mulatto communities created exclusive societies, tried to keep wealth within their caste. They made up the first black urban elite classes in antebellum cities like Charleston and Philadelphia. Since then its just been easier for lighter skinned Africn Americans to “make it” than dark skinned, colorism.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Good Idea though 1st: open registration, 2nd post loaded questions,3rd weed out teh ignorant.
Indian Outlaw on February 18, 2009 at 10:51 PM
Republicans are the race baiters. Yes. Democrats are the party of peace, they welcome everyone!
Sigh….
xander569 on February 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM
drive down the streets of shreveport, la and see how able bodied black males you see hanging out on the front porch of the houses. mercedes in the driveway, shack to live in.
shitty jobs aren’t just reserved for the black person, sir. i’ve emptied more than my share of bedpans in my day. i wanted more, and i got it. it’s called determination and work. that’s what’s wrong with this country. everybody’s got their hand out because someone “owes” them.
institutional constraints placed on them were indeed placed on them by the liberals who wanted to “help” by enslaving them to poverty. got themselves a pretty strong voting block by keep them right where they want them. get them used to the handout and they will keep voting them in over and over again. you think they care about the black and underpriv communities? they are going to now do the same thing with the mexican communities. amnesty, shamnesty. they know a potential dependant when they see one.
sandlin71 on February 18, 2009 at 10:53 PM
Can we please stop using the word “minority”, because i just don’t see that any one race is actually a rarity nowadays. This country is a melting pot and everyone has someone in their family tree (recent or not so recent) that had to face hardships and struggles to aquire the american dream.
Swaydo on February 18, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Wow! Do you actually expect those of us who are caucasian to believe that Holder is talking about everyone? We are constantly told by the Left and people like Holder that we are being racist if we even look at someone wrong. Blacks and minorities cannot be racist they tell us, only white people.
The reason “white” Americans do not bring up race is because we are accused of being racist if we do. We walk around on eggshells because of politicians like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Charlie Rangel.
As someone who is caucasian or “white”, I am quite frankly sick of all the race stuff. I am married to a half Mexican, half European, and live in an 80% Hispanic city, where the Hispanics are still calling themselves the minority, and I am a “majority”?!! Ha! I am the one who’s the minority here, but because of all the stupid PC laws etc in this Country, I am discriminated against in business and education because I am not Black, Asian or Hispanic, (I would have to meet other standards to get the female minority benefits – also stupid).
Why can’t we all just stop griping about race and live with each other as fellow humans, what a concept! Obviously not one that is going to be grasp by the current administration in spite of being elected by all colors of people.
Susanboo on February 18, 2009 at 11:00 PM
everyone has someone in their family tree (recent or not so recent) that had to face hardships and struggles to aquire the american dream.
Swaydo on February 18, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Swaydo, We are All that branch of the tree right now.
Indian Outlaw on February 18, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Interesting. I live outside of Mobile, AL where the black population is actually the majority, and I would say that there are very few “light skinned” blacks in the community such as you describe. There must be other reasons, which may be similar to the reasons that whites feel the animosity between norhtern and southern populations.
ClassicCon on February 18, 2009 at 11:02 PM
So, Reagan and W. Bush were cowards when they appointed more blacks to federal positions than any administrations before them?
And how about the Democrats who did everything in their power to smear and slime Clarence Thomas? Is that courage?
Screw you, Mr. Attorney General. Your words disgust me. (Can’t just say “you”, i.e. “your actions”, because then I’m RAAAAAACIST.)
That “courageous” enough for you?
Hawkins1701 on February 18, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Coldwarrior, well said.
So let me get this straight, Mr. AG: Our workplaces and public places are all racially integrated, but your (mistaken) belief that I still only associate with my own kind on the weekends makes America a “nation of cowards.” So, as the chief law enforcement officer in the country, are you suggesting that the federal government must address this problem? I noticed you weren’t speaking to a bunch of social scientists down at the University; you were addressing your employees at the Justice Department.
This guy is going to make Janet Reno look competent. Stand by for many more Wacos and Ruby Ridges.
sgt_rich on February 18, 2009 at 11:07 PM
It is just another case of the liberal Dictionary. Here’s three examples.
Brave= taking a socialist stand.
Coward= unwilling to accept unrightful blame.
Victim= any nonwhite who votes for democrats.
darktood on February 18, 2009 at 11:12 PM
I’d like to see who the AG hangs out with on weekends. Wonder if he uses quotas to determine who he should invite when he addresses his dinner invitations!
Susanboo on February 18, 2009 at 11:15 PM
The fact of the matter is that the conduct of Obama’s election team set race relations back 40 years in this country. Holder is a prime example of “people of color” and their “positive” contribution to a society. Not.
wepeople on February 18, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Find some of the “racist cr#p” you claim I bring up on “nearly every thread about” the idiot messiah. He is an affirmative action Precedent and was an affirmative action pick for the Harvard Law Review. There’s nothing racist about that. That’s just how it is. He’s also an idiot, which is colorless designation. He also happens to hate white people, as was evidenced by the people he hung out with, the church he spent 20 years at and the moron Lowery he picked to give that ridiculous speech at the inauguration (”when whites embrace what’s right” ….), to name but a few simple examples. Then we have his moronic dislike of our Constitution in favor of his protected groups, his lack of understanding of the task of judges, his desire for reparations, and his dislike of America and everything America has stood for … Don’t blame me for his stupidity. The guy was elected because he’s black – as we hear over and over and over about his “historic” Precedency … Please.
But, do show me a couple of these innumerous examples of racism (ooooh!) you claim to see in my posts. That should be pretty easy.
As to whether you are offended by my posts, that’s tough. You seem to be offended by pretty much everything.
progressoverpeace on February 18, 2009 at 11:18 PM
In substance (based on the speech), the perceived problems that Holder (speaking for the Obama Administration’s Justice Department) would like to address are:
- not enough inter-racial socializing,
- not enough multi-racial neighborhoods,
- not enough general knowledge of black luminaries.
This speech, on the day President Obama promised a bail-out to people in or entering foreclosure after falling behind on their mortgage payments, suggests a grand strategy to effect racial interaction.
Take from people who bought homes in accordance with their means, and give to people (a large proportion of whom happen to be black) who bought what they could not afford. Thus a larger portion of the black population gets to own an asset which pretty much provides mobility to move wherever.
Setting aside the utter economic unfairness of the proposed housing bail-out, is a creeping increase in neighborhood diversity something to be feared? I get along with my ethnic Mexican and Korean neighbors just fine. My gun collection will not grow if a black family moves onto the street.
exdeadhead on February 18, 2009 at 11:24 PM
I’m already sick and tired of Jimmy Carter II.
pearson on February 18, 2009 at 11:36 PM
When I have conversations with anyone– strangers, acquaintances, friends– we discuss commonalities from something as mundance as the weather or a television program to activities, places, or meals that we or our families have enjoyed. We might discuss an interesting book, concert, travel, people that we admire, philosophies, etc. We don’t discuss/dwell on what it’s like to be a man or a woman, a Greek or an Indian, a Black or a Latino. We don’t focus on our differences nor feel belittled if we don’t always share the same backgrounds or opinions–even about religion or politics.
Holder’s attitude dwells on differences. And he doesn’t seem to be interested in transcending them.
onlineanalyst on February 18, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Listen carefully. It has nothing to do with being poor. It’s about having sex, unprotected sex. No one is putting a gun to black teens heads and forcing them to have all these babies. White people aren’t running off the baby-daddies. It’s a free-will thing. Free-Wheeling sex. On a massive scale.
TN Mom on February 18, 2009 at 11:42 PM
has anyone posted this yet? It’s a 30 second clip of Morgan Freeman last year talking about black history month and how to end racism. It’s the exact opposite of our new attorney general, and of course, the correct answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO214IFRW1M
Methinks Mr. Freeman should give Mr. Holder a visit.
Vincenzo on February 18, 2009 at 11:52 PM
I have tried all my life to fair to all people no matter there race. But over the last 3 years i have been called a racist over my wanting to stop ileagls coming into this country called a racist ever time i disagree with Obama and now Holder calling people cowards.I hate to say this but now i am starting to look at people of diff. races with hate in my heart.I am starting to believe that Obama is just a very angry black man trying to get even over what he sees as some kind of pay back.He is tearing down this country ever day with all this doom and gloom coming out of his mouth.I shudder to think what the next 4 years will be like.Remember in Jan.what Robert Riceh said about white men const.workers and the bail out money. GOD help us
thmcbb on February 18, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Multiculturalism: isn’t that the idea of some Marxist thinkers? Antonio Gramsci and Georg Lukacs come to mind, but they called it a different name: cultural Marxism. Here’s a good article summarizing this.
Send_Me on February 19, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Can you say “welfare state”?
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Thank you, coldwarrior, for your 10:39 pm post.
When DtoMHs was citing poverty, he was confining his arguement to the inner city, a favorite theme of the race excusers as if only Blacks populate those areas.
Furthermore, I too was thinking of areas that experience much more abject poverty such as Appalachia, where violent crime and family dissolution are not as prevalent. The monetary supports and agencies that give a hand up are not as active nor as generous there as they are in inner cities. Equally, the other places that you mention are not concentrated pockets of crime even though they do not enjoy the same benefits of government support as inner cities to change their situations.
Unfortunately, Obama’s economic stimulus will continue to pour money into cities, and Holder’s attitude about justice seems to be just as narrowly focused.
onlineanalyst on February 19, 2009 at 12:11 AM
Here’s my only question in terms of race and culture: why are we only allowed, in terms of being P.C., to discuss the aspects of culture which are presumably good? Why can’t we discuss the aspects of culture which detract from education, prosperity, morality, etc.? Why is the assumption that culture must be all good and never bad? What many would call “racist” is merely the critique of a particular culture. For example, music that glorifies murder, stealing and recreational rape is a problem of culture. If we want an honest conversation about “race”, then it must be about culture, since, after all, that is what most are talking about in the first place.
Send_Me on February 19, 2009 at 12:21 AM
Gripe, gripe, gripe…
Many whites voted for Obama just so they wouldn’t have to hear this crap anymore. So much for plan A.
29Victor on February 19, 2009 at 12:22 AM
My heart has more hate after the slur on America than before. Gee thanks…
HotAirJosef on February 19, 2009 at 12:23 AM
I have two questions for Holder:
1) You say that I’m a coward for not talking to my neighbors about race. What the hell is there to talk about?
2) Are you implying that you’re black?
LASue on February 19, 2009 at 12:26 AM
Things have changed drastically during the last 50 years. The only racists I know are the ones I see on TV, the Reverse type, predominately Democrats. When are they going to get their house in order?
DL13 on February 19, 2009 at 12:26 AM
Do you mean like Dr. thomas Sowell, Dr. Walter Williams, Larry Elder, Alan Keyes, Condoleezza Rice, John McWhorter, B.B. King, Bobby Blue Bland, Michael Jordan, Jimmy Reed, Muddy Waters, Lightin Hopkins, Jim Brown or James Brown? I guess that you were talking about the dixie chicks.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Because so much of culture has to do with our race, they are inseparable. For example: People of Hispanic culture tend to have very close knit families, which try to stay in close proximity to each other, even as children leave to go out into the world. By the same token, Asians value education very highly and therefore are extremely successful in most endeavors. Blacks tend to be very athletic. Etc… Etc… Every race and culture has it’s good and bad, it just happens that some are more evident then others. There seem to be more single black mothers than in some other races, perhaps this has something to with their culture? Whether or not that is poverty related, I don’t know, but “send_me” is correct, our discussions about race are not honest because it is not PC.
Susanboo on February 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM
In any discussion about race there are, both, cultural aspects and genetic aspects. Most of what concerns people are the cultural elements, but they are not the sum total of differences. For example, we have drugs that are racially differentiated:
Race-Based Medicine Arrives
As much as DeadMediaHack and others like to ignore these facts, they exist. All of this would be part of any honest conversation, but no one really cares about honesty, since we are always met with nothing but a flood of accusations of “racism” and all sorts of other idiotic babble, such as claims that people are talking about 100% of the group rather than group characteristics that describe probabilities of finding random members with X trait or X ability.
It is, most often, a total waste of time to even enter into these discussions (as seen in this thread) and can lead to many very real and serious consequences for those who do not take care of the time and place they engage in such.
progressoverpeace on February 19, 2009 at 12:49 AM
What I think is cowardly is that whites that do not agree with sock puppets political beliefs voted for him basically to alleviate their generational guilt over how blacks have been treated in the past, as well as being scared turdless of the race riots that would have happened had he lost.
I also think it equally cowardly that the minorities voted for sock puppet simply because he isn’t white.
Spiritk9 on February 19, 2009 at 12:50 AM
Sock puppet!! LOL!! Hey, I had one of those when I was a kid! He does kind of resemble one, with those ears and all.
Susanboo on February 19, 2009 at 1:07 AM
And of course there is Clarence Thomas.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 1:09 AM
Holder is a filthy puke. He obviously suffers from the same conflict Obambi does – it’s real hard to hate half of what you are.
The skin shade prejudice is very real in the “black community” but it has NOTHING to do with Caucasians.
It is ILLEGAL in this country to use race to discriminate. Anybody who doesn’t understand this is not only dumber than a box of rocks but is also a social menace.
IOW, a racist. And I call ‘em out when they get in my face with their anti-American BS.
platypus on February 19, 2009 at 1:29 AM
I’m sorry that this post is so late in the thread, but reading said thread made me think it imperative that I do so.
Albeit on a smaller scale, the criminal and social data mentioned here also applies largely to Australia – and there was no slavery.
I think that it is about time that people faced up to the glaringly obvious fact that we are not all the same, and that said differences are not equally distributed throughout the races.
OldEnglish on February 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM
I think that the liberal mentality towards the blacks and the welfare state, in Australia and the U.S., have the more to do with the behavior than anything else.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 2:10 AM
DeathToMediaHacks observes that A and B happened together and concludes that A caused B.
DeathToMediaHacks, what is the name of the argument fallacy you employed?
Kralizec on February 19, 2009 at 2:46 AM
You are probably quite correct in that assertion. Certainly things have deteriorated since the introduction of the full-on welfare system, but the reaction to said system varies – to different degrees – among the races present in Australia.
Also, although there are race-based gangs present in certain areas, only one race has created a no-go ghetto, where even law enforcement is fearful to enter.
OldEnglish on February 19, 2009 at 6:01 AM
DISTRACTION
And the Attorney General distracts America with the “R” word. Hell, that’s nothing compared to the fatalism running Obama’s show.
There is no individual, only the collective. Assimilate. Resistance is Futile. Socialism.
Therein, one’s only existence is what Obama’s Society determines for you, precast, forecast, resolved, inflexible, intolerantly “allowing” and forever beholden to propaganda for maintenance.
Castes are so much more convenient to identify and maintain than a class system that inevitably must purge itself of the “middle”, efficiency being Socialism’s self proclaimed reason for being. Regardless of means, the end effect must reach the goal: make the middle class disappear even as you decry the disappearance of the middle class.
Who all’s noting Obama’s transfiguration of the Socialist press corp into the federal government body just as the free press advertises its own death, particularly in the epicenter of government and now global business, Washington DC, where “fairness” will paint every message on the airwaves.
Not only does this presidency absorb mouthpieces for 2 speech writing positions and 2 communications directors (understandable and expected propaganda machine), but reporters are given positions for which they have no qualifications.
A reporter becomes the transportation secretary’s right hand woman, with no preparation in the field of transportation; and we’re to swallow “putting the economy back on track” as that job description coined by the newby Jill Zuckman. Bulldoze the fence and pipeline in the illegal aliens. Tax all fuels to bankrupt all consumers and industry. Line the pockets of lawyers while absorbing every tax dollar collected without providing any tangible improvements.
Linda Douglas, what medical expertise has this reporter to qualify her to become Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs in the Department of Health and Human Services. Eugenics agenda.
Just as disconcerting is making a reporter be the ADVISER to our United Nation’s Susan Rice. Knowing the names of players does not qualify one as a big time player. This reporter has exactly WHAT qualifications in legalities and diplomacy regarding international affairs? How in depth or how shallow or how inaccurate or reliable has Warren Bass proven to date in his reports?
maverick muse on February 19, 2009 at 7:30 AM
Yeah well ths f’n coward pays his taxes, doesn’t get free college, doesn’t get a free mortage, and pays list price for everything f’n thing. I’m not too coward to get in my car and risk going to my job everyday and or too coward to raise the children I created. What exactly is it these people want? Obviously sucking the country dry isn’t enough.
johnnyU on February 19, 2009 at 7:48 AM
OUCH! That hurts sooooo bad coming from an Administration of Cowards.
Mr Purple on February 19, 2009 at 7:55 AM
OldEnglish, “we are not all the same.”
Welfare segregates society. Aristocrats can afford the taxes. The dumb poor take the free ride. Watch the disappearing Middle Class, sold down slavery’s river.
The Elitists of Socialism utilize Welfare to keep the poor in their place far away, the elitists insulated by Ivy terminators.
Welfare recipients are hung up on NOT assimilating into free enterprise or WORK, ferociously holding to their comfort zone of indolence.
As assimilation occurs within the glass menagerie of Obama’s Socialism, militant blacks kick and scream on their gilded silver platter, Holder for example. He double dog dares everyone to take his bait. He just flashed in public his yellow streak.
The most disgusting point is that ALL of the intelligent, patiently long suffering hard working conservatives of every race, each race and each individual in particular, get swept off with the disappearing middle class. Socialism seduces the virtue of every ideal into its own perversion.
maverick muse on February 19, 2009 at 7:57 AM
Bullcrap! I grew up in poverty that you could not imagine. All of our friends were dirt poor. A few of my friends became involved in crime, but most eventually worked their way out of poverty. We started out hauling hay for a penny a bale. One thoousand bales a day from dusk till dawn. When we were not hauling hay we were hauling pulpwood. It is a matter of character and how you are raised.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 8:09 AM
By the way, my Dad lived through the depression and would not take a handout, even from his friends at church.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 8:12 AM
Yes, your knee-jerk liberal response to every issue such that I can pigeon-hole you as a fem clearly is proof that Ricky is Right about racism in America. You exercise the logic of the average host on The View.
And declaring the opposition commenters to be Stormfront racists was strong, too. That really supports the idiotic statement by idiot Holder.
Jaibones on February 19, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Another gross misstep by a member of the Obama administration. Tone deaf to how this would be received. I’m convinced every one of them dislikes America and wants to see it “changed.”
DrStock on February 19, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Eric Holder is a douche. That’s not a euphemism, either.
bluelightbrigade on February 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM
Whenever I hear anyone say that poverty causes crime I become incensed at the insult to the millions who suffered greatly during the Great Depression - and did not turn to crime.
OldEnglish on February 19, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Holder needs to STFU and STFD. Maybe go back on WKRP where I kinda liked him.
Immolate on February 19, 2009 at 9:28 AM
LOL. I knew he looked familiar.
Holder needs to be removed as AG. Period.
progressoverpeace on February 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM
I am white, my husband, is white my kids are white. So now if I spend time at home with my family on the weekend I am racist?
nocontrol on February 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Worse that that. You are a racist coward. (As am I).
OldEnglish on February 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM
“That seems to led credence to my argument that POVERTY, rather than race have a lot more to do with an individuals liklihood to commit violent crime.”
If this were true, the Great Depression should have seen massive amounts of violent crime.
Bevan on February 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Holder still has the stink of the Mark Rich pardon and the Elian Gonzalez debacle, and now he does the Reparations Strut!?
Obama does not run a tight ship. He’s got a bunch of free-lancers (I include Nancy Pelosi on this list) who feel they can do or say whatever they want without consequences.
I would add this episode to the Obama Implosion narrative. Is it possible for something to unravel before it’s even had a time ravel?
EMD on February 19, 2009 at 9:44 AM
I always thought a coward would be someone who allowed a KKK member to sit in the Senate and say nothing…
right2bright on February 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Hey Eric Holder! Want to end cowardess! End Hate Crime Laws!
http://fromthepen.com/hey-eric-holder-hate-crime-laws-create-cowards/
bucktowndusty on February 19, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Hummmm, let’s see how “blacks” fare in Africa…
Oh wait, the run and control Africa….
AIDS, POVERTY, UNEMPLOYMENT, RAMPENT VIOLENCE, TRIBAL CONFLICTS, UNWED MOTHERS, MURDER, HORRID CONDITIONS!
“Black” do real good when they don’t have “the man” holding them back, don’t they… Maybe the “blacks” here in the USA would like to go “home”… I didn’t think so… Case closed!
Mark Garnett on February 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Cowards? That jigaboo ought to shut up….also you honkeys and crackers follow suit…..I don’t want to hear from you kikes,hebes,ragheads,spics,beaners,mics,guineas,krauts, zipper heads, slant eyes,dinks,chinks,frogs,or any other colorful epithet idiots use….
I feel courageous now…..the Man is always keepin’ me down!!
paulsmos on February 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
On second thought: Sounds like ANY ghetto in Detroit, Chicago, New York, Newark, Okland…
Anyone connecting the dots?
Mark Garnett on February 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Did you leave anyone out?
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Wrong party.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
More than fifty years ago.
OldEnglish on February 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Black on Black crimes,you gotta love it! Maybe congress should put that mental giant Maxine Waters on the case. Yeah, thats the ticket. Case closed.
nukeemnow on February 19, 2009 at 10:03 AM
“Murphy’s” law.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Have you read the posts on here? With the exception of Classicon this group of posters on these last few pages have been stormfronting it up like it’s noboddy’s business. I stand by my declaration.
Look here is what I do not get. If you don’t particularly like black people just OWN it. This is something that gets us about racist people all the time. Not everyone is the same type of racist. You can not like black people…that doesnt mean you want to see one strung up on a tree. But I have found in my social dealings that the most racist white people are the kind of people who deny it so fricking vehemently. The people I end up being really cool with are folks are like “yeah I was kind of scared of this black guy this one time.” Or folks who are like “my parents really taught me bad things about black people.” It’s honest and it reflects an ability to reflect upon the negative ideologies around black people that continue to persist.
But when people start saying crap like “well look at africa” or “they’re murderers! all of em!” or “They want to kill me if I go in their ghetto” you’re literally repeating the same crap that’s been used against black people for all time and you’re not, intellectually, removed from white people 50 or 100 years ago. Many of whom may not have hung someone from a tree, but they didn’t mind going to the lynching and watching.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM
If he would adjust the claim to:
“a nation of cowards and whiners”
..then I would probably be ok with it.
Thune on February 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
My wife is half “Bohunk” and she said that she is offended by your omission.
Johan Klaus on February 19, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Additionally a national discussion of race is not his damn job.
he’s responsible for enforcing the nations laws, period.
Thune on February 19, 2009 at 10:15 AM
FU, Holder.
pseudonominus on February 19, 2009 at 10:16 AM
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