Video: Ruinous stimulus bill becomes ruinous stimulus law

posted at 4:35 pm on February 17, 2009 by Allahpundit

Nothing too exciting, but moments in American history as glorious as this deserve to be shared. Note his reminder halfway through the first clip that this is just the first bite of the crap sandwich we’ll have to ingest. He’s not kidding, people.

Ahead of Obama’s arrival in Colorado, the White House went live with a Web site, www.recovery.gov, that will allow people to track where the money is being spent. The White House press office also promoted the projected job growth for each state and congressional district.

Aboard Air Force One en route here, presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters the White House was open-minded about another similar effort. But he stressed that there are no plans currently in the works for one.

The website is thin on details and will remain so until money starts flowing, but here’s a nice, graphically gratuitous snapshot of where the cash is supposed to be going. Exit question: “Protecting the Vulnerable”?


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Never mind this.

My collie says:

Come watch the slap fight in the Bristol Palin thread between MadisonConservative and SeeJaneMom.

CyberCipher on February 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Remember people — call it the Friday the 13th bill. This thing is cursed.

jimmy the notable on February 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Exit question: “Protecting the Vulnerable”?

Funding for the Ministry of Love.

amerpundit on February 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM

And Democrats wonder why they are stereotyped as “tax and spend” liberals?

awake on February 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM

CyberCipher on February 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM

I’m not going near that thread with a 10-foot pole.
I just have one thing to say about the whole subject: Dick Cheney’s daughter is a lesbian, does that make him any less terrifying/awesome? Not in my book.

jimmy the notable on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

The DOW loves Porkulus!!!111!

carbon_footprint on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Obama just signed his resignation that the American people who voted for him are complete idiots.

izoneguy on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Can we put that pen in the Smithsonian for ruining this country.

MDWNJ on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

Dude…Frenchy was right.

Flyover Country on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

The pen is mightier than the sword U.S. economy.

Weight of Glory on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I could feel my wallet getting lighter just watching it. I will make a mental note of this day for my grandchildren when the last few nails were put into the coffin for a formally free country.

WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I want to cry, but I just turned the heat down some more to save money, and I’m afraid the tears might freeze in my eyes.

CyberCipher on February 17, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Heh.

Anna on February 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Okay but wasn’t the actual bill suppossed to be posted for 5 days before he signed it? All 1,071 pages of it. I have looked and can’t find it. Guess he really didn’t want the people’s comments after all.

Kevin in Southern Illinois on February 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM

My headache says,

Somebody go over to the Pelosi Thread and put a cork in TTheoLogan. Please.

I could not watch Barry and Plugs speak. And I sure couldn’t watch this ruinous act be completed. God protect us all.

kingsjester on February 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Is it just me, or does that smile on his face look like you’d expect….

Yesssir ladies and gents, the leftists in America just got everything( ha – well, actually I guess not) they’ve wanted for the last 30 years.

OwlorNothing on February 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Can we put that pen in the Smithsonian for ruining this country.

No he needs to put it on e-bay so they can start paying down on the TRILLION dollars this is going to drill us for. When we said “Drill baby drill” we did not mean our behinds.

izoneguy on February 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Precedent B Hussein is going to drag this country straight down the chasm with his stupidity. He will be one of the most reviled people in history – and the morons who voted for him will stand as those who threw away the greatest nation to have ever existed – for NOTHING. Thanks, morons.

But I don’t think the idiot messiah cares one bit. He’ll change the US into a socialist sh!thole or he’ll take us down. He’s happy with either outcome.

progressoverpeace on February 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Montel Williams has a plan to pay for all of this…

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/figures-obama-coins-turn-out-to-be.html

After we inflate our currency and put Obamugabe’s face on all of the coinage we’ll be able to pay for all of this…

ninjapirate on February 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM

The smiling and gesticulating is so disingenuous — these people don’t give a rat’s arse about the future.

I hope the American electorate who voted for these clowns realize what they have done to their children’s futures.

You have selected two leaders, both of which have no record of merit whatsoever — what the hell has Biden done? Obama? Choke down this porkulus folks, courtesty of the morons who can physically vote (but not mentally) and the knee-jerk leftist MSM.

Richard Romano on February 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Can we put that pen in the Smithsonian for ruining this country.

MDWNJ on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

I believe there must be plans to build an entirely new Smithsonian building just to house that pen….have you seen how much Smithsonian is getting out of this Crapulus?

Youngs98 on February 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

The market reaction today says it all. Down 297 and sinking……

xander569 on February 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

I can’t wait for my extra $13.00 a week.
I’ll be able to buy that pack of gum and 2 liter of pop I’ve been eyeing since Christmas.

Talismen on February 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

My 5-year old just asked me, “Mommy, why doesn’t the new President ever stay in the White House like President Bush did?” From the mouths of babes….does The Messiah really think that if he keeps going in “Campaign Mode” he can fool everybody into falling for lie after lie after lie? I am wondering how long it is going to be before the MSM start turning on him….

Cinday Blackburn on February 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

The DOW loves Porkulus!!!111!

carbon_footprint on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

You must not be reading the MSM:

DOW Falls Due to Too Small of Stimulus Package

WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Some unfairly cherrypicked quotes about fascism from wikipedia:

Fascism is an authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline or decadence.[1][2][3][4] Fascists aim to create a single-party state in which the government is led by a dictator who seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation, a race or even a social class.

Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[10] Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective through the state

While fascists support the unifying of proletariat workers to their cause along corporatistic, socialistic, or syndicalistic lines, fascists specify that they advocate a nationalized form of such economic systems such as national corporatism, national socialism, or national syndicalism which promotes the creation of a strong proletarian nation, but not a proletarian class.[105] Fascists also make clear that they have no hostility to the Petite bourgeoisie (lower middle-class) and small businesses and promise these groups protection alongside the proletariat from the upper-class bourgeoisie, big business, and Marxism

Fascist economies are typically in between laissez-faire capitalist and statist socialist economic systems.[citation needed] Unlike laissez-faire capitalist systems, fascist economies involve significant government intervention such as regulations, objectives, and nationalization of certain enterprises.[citation needed] Unlike statist socialist systems, fascist economies for the most part protect the right of private property and allowed significant independence for private free enterprise except in areas deemed vital to the national interest where private enterprise was not able to meet economic expectations of the state, in which such enterprises are nationalized.

Not that I’m calling porkulus fascist. No sir, not me.

rbj on February 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM

The plan has to involve printing funny money as needed. How will the next president ever dig us out of this hole?

joedoe on February 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM

“…and miles to go before I sleep.”

AubieJon on February 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM

I did not get a chance to read the bill, where do I go for my new bathroom?

WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 4:44 PM

“Protecting the Vulnerable”?

Planned Parenthood butcheries vulnerable to actually having to obey the law.

Darth Executor on February 17, 2009 at 4:44 PM

‘protecting the vulnerable’ (among others) is it’s own bubble – why is it also a component of ‘tax relief’?

Midas on February 17, 2009 at 4:44 PM

And so capitalism now has 2 arms nailed to the cross. Bush gave us the 1st nail, Obama the 2nd.

Who will drive the nail through the feet?

TheHat on February 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Tax Relief – includes $15 B for Infrastructure and Science, $61 B for Protecting the Vulnerable, $25 B for Education and Training and $22 B for Energy, so total funds are $126 B for Infrastructure and Science, $142 B for Protecting the Vulnerable, $78 B for Education and Training, and $65 B for Energy.

So tax relief is a highly inflated figure, the final total for tax relief is 165 billion.

And i would like a clear definition of ‘protecting the vulnerable’ Thats a damn lot of money without a clear definition of what it is.

Yngmarine on February 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM

“Protecting the Vulnerable” = “Assure Dem Majority”

The cartoon’s use of the phrase “Tax Cuts” is a real hoot. It even includes a footnote to tell us that they’re just foolin’

“It is by our own hands, not by others, that we are now smitten.”

Tamaqua on February 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM

I did not get a chance to read the bill, where do I go for my new bathroom?

WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Outside. It’s all one big toilet, now.

progressoverpeace on February 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM

“We are spending more money than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started and an enormous debt to boot.”

Henry Morgenthau, Jr.
US Secretary of the Treasury
January 1, 1934 – July 22, 1945

Chuck Schick on February 17, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Is it just me, or does that smile on his face look like you’d expect….

Ohh, baby, you are so talented….and they are so dumb….

rockmom on February 17, 2009 at 4:46 PM

MAN….he didn’t even kiss us first.

seejanemom on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Exit question: “Protecting the Vulnerable”?

That makes my skin crawl and sets of alarm bells like a prairie fire.

Count to 10 on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Don’t you love the big pork-eatin’ grin on his face?

econavenger on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Just wait til the housing bailout plan tomorrow, and then we have Tarp II, and Auto bailout tomorrow.

I want to know when we the people get a bailout.

Brat4life on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I think that a cute little confiscation of gold can’t be too far in the future, now. Gotta push those brilliant FDR moves …

progressoverpeace on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I hope the American electorate who voted for these clowns realize what they have done to their children’s futures.

Based on conversations with several that I know, they don’t. Yet.

Midas on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Fabulous! Look at the effect this is already having on the economy:

Dow down 3.79%
Nasdaq down 4.15%
S&P down 4.56%

And this is just the first day of stimulating awesomeness.

califcon on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Did you notice the * by “tax relief”? Very small print but here is what it said:
* Tax Relief – includes $15 B for Infrastructure and Science, $61 B for Protecting the Vulnerable, $25 B for Education and Training and $22 B for Energy, so total funds are $126 B for Infrastructure and Science, $142 B for Protecting the Vulnerable, $78 B for Education and Training, and $65 B for Energy.

$142 Billion for protecting the vulnerable. What exactly does that mean?

milwife88 on February 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM

MAN….he didn’t even kiss us first.

seejanemom on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Hopefully hes gonna grease up the second time

Yngmarine on February 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Outside. It’s all one big toilet, now.

progressoverpeace on February 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM

This is going to be embarrassing (and cold), my place of
Good one!!

WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Yeah, the market kicked that stimulus bill in the groin. Can’t wait to see the reaction from tomorrow’s bank plan…yeeeeesh.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I hope the American electorate who voted for these clowns realize what they have done to their children’s futures.
Based on conversations with several that I know, they don’t. Yet.

Midas on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I have to agree. Alot of the people I talk to think this is the answer. Scary Scary. Don’t try talking any sense to them, They still wont get it.

Brat4life on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I loved the cheers for the “smart meters” he promised to install in all of our homes.

Do those people cheering know what makes the meter so smart is its ability to turn off your electricity when there’s a high demand?

MayBee on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Can I have the “collectible pen” that he signed the HUSSEIN with?

Maybe I can get it with a commemorative COIN….

***yeah, a COIN***

seejanemom on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

What about the side panel on recovery.org:

Accountability and Transparency
This is your money. You have a right to know where it’s going and how it’s being spent. Learn what steps we’re taking to ensure you can track our progress every step of the way.

I call shenanigans. I like how since it is our money we have the right to know how it is spent, but no right to say anything about it.

Ferris on February 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Thank You President Moron.

Viper1 on February 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM

$61 B for Protecting the Vulnerable

I can be vunerable if you want me too where do I sign up for my million.

Brat4life on February 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM

We are so boned.

KelliD on February 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I feel so fulfilled now… I will now go the the nearest McDonalds to spend my 13 bucks tax relief on two “crappy” meals. Then I will go get a case of vodka to wash it down, Maybe by the time I am sober this will have all passed.

Kuffar on February 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

this is the equivalent of losing your job, getting dumped by your girlfriend, being evicted from you apartment and deciding that the best way to put it all behind you is to go to the mall and max out your Amex.

DrW on February 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

I have to agree. Alot of the people I talk to think this is the answer. Scary Scary. Don’t try talking any sense to them, They still wont get it.

Brat4life on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

My liberal friends actually truly believe they are helping their children by supporting this.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Do those people cheering know what makes the meter so smart is its ability to turn off your electricity when there’s a high demand?

MayBee on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

MayBee, shug…smart METERS. DUMB sheeple.

seejanemom on February 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Is there anything more stupid than an invitation only signing of a frigging bill? Good Lord, what is happening to our country?

ctmom on February 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

I have to agree. Alot of the people I talk to think this is the answer. Scary Scary. Don’t try talking any sense to them, They still wont get it.

Brat4life on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

I’m loving all the idiots driving around with the Obama stickers still on their cars.

These will be soon be known as Targets, I’m afraid.

AubieJon on February 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Exit question: “Protecting the Vulnerable”?

Yeah, apparently the “vulnerable” ones get $142B for food stamps and expansion of unemplyment insurance. $61B of this money is tagged as “Tax Relief”. The “vulnerable” don’t pay !@#$%^! taxes.

FuriousAmerican on February 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

I can’t wait for my extra $13.00 a week.
I’ll be able to buy that pack of gum and 2 liter of pop I’ve been eyeing since Christmas.

Talismen on February 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM

You forgot about inflation, super-inflation, stag-flagation; whatever the heck it’s called. Try $13.00 for half a pack of gum.

LAW on February 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

That Porkulus is already having a wonderful effect on our economy:
WooooooHOOOO!!!! We’re saved!!!!*

/sarc

*Note: DOW might change after 16:42 ET

leetpriest on February 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

You guys…stop it.

When the DOW goes UP, its thanks to Obama. When it goes DOWN, its some sort of layover problem of Bush’s.

jimmy the notable on February 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

“America’s problems: Over.”

That cracked me up Allah.

I heard Obama brag that ‘his’ stimulus package has done more for children’s healthcare in thirty days than all that had been done previously in the last decade.

No silly man, it hasn’t done diddly squat yet. All you did was sign a bill. The jury’s still out on what it may or may not accomplish.

fogw on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Free magic unicorns for everyone!!!

CP on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

I am glad I bought a bunch of gold on Friday.
The dollar ain’t gonna be worth a pinch of Hindu sh1t in 6 months.

TheSitRep on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

My liberal friends actually truly believe they are helping their children by supporting this.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:51 PM

Can I meet your friends?

In a dark alley?

seejanemom on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

I am already hearing talk of Porkulus II, and the ink isn’t even dry on the current one.

I think its about time to get some recall petitions cranked up, including one with the name of Barack Hussein Obama.

We have to get these people the hell out of office NOW-before they completely bankrupt this nation (if they haven’t already).

2010 will be too damn late.

-Dave

Dave R. on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

It might be wise to save that picture of Mr. Obama signing that abomination with that smile on his face………

……… it is his, and the Democrats.

They own it………

Seven Percent Solution on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

February 17, 2009. A day of infamy.

OmahaConservative on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Pass the tire pressure gauge

LadinPlaid on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

In reporting on the signing of the bill, The Wall Street Journal quoted President Obama as saying:

“I don’t want to pretend that today marks the end of our economic problems. Nor does it constitute all of what we have to do to turn our economy around. But today does mark the beginning of the end,” the president said.

Funny, even he knows how f’d we are

AmericanUnderground on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

What, youaresoscrewed.gov was taken?

TheQuestion on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I am glad I bought a bunch of gold on Friday.
The dollar ain’t gonna be worth a pinch of Hindu sh1t in 6 months.

TheSitRep on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

I’ve said this before, be careful of gold. FDR seized gold by executive order in 1933 and Obama is following the FDR agenda.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

America’s problems: Over.

There, fixed it for ya.

t.ferg on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Ummm… I am feeling a little vulnerable here….
Where do I pick up my check?

fumpbump on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I am glad I bought a bunch of gold on Friday.
The dollar ain’t gonna be worth a pinch of Hindu sh1t in 6 months.

TheSitRep on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

All I can say is:

Executive Order 6102

Sorry.

progressoverpeace on February 17, 2009 at 4:55 PM

I’m excited. This means my magical unicorn is on it’s way right? I’m gonna name him Sprinkles.

Seriously, though, after signing this craptacular bill, he needs shut his mouth about anything Bush-related in regards to the fiscal situation. He owns the economy now. And of course there will be more stimulus in the future. This bill was only the first step to these power hungry jokers.

BakerAllie on February 17, 2009 at 4:56 PM

The plan has to involve printing funny money as needed. How will the next president ever dig us out of this hole?

joedoe on February 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Still thinking 11/3 I see.
What makes you think there will ever be another president?
Ok, sorry I take that back because I don’t know how old you are. It’s doubtful I will see another one because BO is a lot younger then me so I will likly die before him. So who will be the next? I don’t know manybe one of his daughters?
 
A little OT but did anyone notice the new NBC series called “Kings”? The tale of how one man rose to become king of the country because he was so loved. At least that was what I got from the teasers. Is NBC plowing the road so to speek?

jmarcure on February 17, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Seven Percent Solution on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

And that peckerhead from the solar company who introduced the One said that the bill would create 69,000 jobs in the solar industry. My question is, in what century?

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:56 PM

I am glad I bought a bunch of gold on Friday.
The dollar ain’t gonna be worth a pinch of Hindu sh1t in 6 months.

TheSitRep on February 17, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Really? I invested all my money in Milton Bradley stock. I’m gonna be RICH I tell ya when the gov’ment needs my Monopoly money to pay for all this garbage from now on. WooHoo!

LAW on February 17, 2009 at 4:56 PM

Not that I’m calling porkulus fascist. No sir, not me.

rbj on February 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM

In the words of Todd Lungran, “Why not?”

Count to 10 on February 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM

what is truely scary is Paul Krugman claiming this didn’t work in Japan only because they “Chickened Out” and had they just kept spending like crazy it would’ve worked.

jp on February 17, 2009 at 4:58 PM

My question is, in what century?

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:56 PM

My question is “How much horseshit does he have to dump out before we either wake up or choke to death?”

Oldnuke on February 17, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Jobs in the solar industry? When I was a kid, my neighbors had a solar panel that was made with beer cans that were painted black. Hmmm, maybe the Great One has finally found a way to put perpetual welfarers (ok I made up that word) to work!

fumpbump on February 17, 2009 at 4:59 PM

All I can say is:

Executive Order 6102

Sorry.

All I can say is:

Second Amendment

Sorry.

FuriousAmerican on February 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM

The Dem gov from CO was on Cavato, they aren’t even talking creating new jobs anymore. It is about saving them. So how do we know if a job is saved. I mean how do we measure that. Is that saying that Congress and the Senate still have jobs they were saved?

Brat4life on February 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Is it just me or does VP Plugs look like Jeff Dunham’s puppet Walter?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM

All I can say is:

Second Amendment

Sorry.

FuriousAmerican on February 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Sing that song brother! I love the beat!

fumpbump on February 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM

did FDR seize Silver?

jp on February 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM

I’ve said this before, be careful of gold. FDR seized gold by executive order in 1933 and Obama is following the FDR agenda.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Yeah…I thought the whole Glenn Beck “buy antique coins” would beat that wrap, but the way this
megalomaniac POS is blasting through Executive Ink Pens, I am buying beans, bullets, and BandAids…..and little else. He could decide he wants to confiscate the antiques too>>>who is to stop him?

The GOP can’t even get its collective head out of its elephant’s @$$ long enough to muzzle Light Loafer Lindsey who is running his suck about “nationalizing banks”.

seejanemom on February 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM

All I can say is:

Second Amendment

Sorry.

FuriousAmerican on February 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Oh … that’s going to go very soon. Congresscritter Bobby Rush (who should be sitting in jail rather than Congress) is working on it, as we speak.

progressoverpeace on February 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM

FuriousAmerican on February 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM

IIRC, when FDR seized the gold, there was a prison term of 10-20 years for failure to give. Now, if arms are to be used it would make sense to pick the battles.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM

Those looks like Mont Blancs he was signing with. 10 of them. At about $400 a pop that would be $4,000 just to sign the bill…
 
Meisterstuck!

ElRonaldo on February 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM

The idea behind “saving” jobs is to slow the rate of unemployment it is increasing exponentially. They want those new job loss numbers to come down each month.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM

is about saving them. So how do we know if a job is saved. I mean how do we measure that.

Brat4life on February 17, 2009 at 5:00 PM

If unemployment stays roughly where it is at, Obama should still have the crisis that he wants; thus, more spending. Success!

WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM

Now, if arms are to be used it would make sense to pick the battles.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM

It seems to me that the battle is upon us! We just have to decide how we are to fight back!

fumpbump on February 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM

did FDR seize Silver?

jp on February 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM

Just gold, I believe.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM

I can see the banner on the Abraham Lincoln now -

Mission Accomplished!

Amphipolis on February 17, 2009 at 5:04 PM

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