Targeting the filibuster again
posted at 3:35 pm on February 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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A few days ago, Jazz Shaw reported that Democrats and liberals seem suddenly interested in ending the filibuster in the Senate, or at least some of them do. Now that the Democrats have the majority, the filibuster — so important just three years ago — now is the nadir of Beltway power abuse. Steve Benen makes that argument for Washington Monthly:
TIME TO REFORM THE FILIBUSTER…. One of the striking aspects of the political process on the Hill is how quickly everyone has adapted to a once-rare tactic becoming routine. Senate filibusters used to be exceedingly rare — a dramatic challenge only to be used under extraordinary circumstances. Only recently has the political world accepted, without so much as a discussion, the notion that literally every key measure must enjoy a 60-vote majority if it hopes to become law.
BJ at Newshoggers calls Benen a hypocrite, though, for his majority-era conversion to filibuster reform:
It is hypocritical in the extreme for Democrats to do an about face on this issue and now advocate changing the system simply because we have power. The filibuster was an important tool during the dark days of the Bush years that we were able to use to block controversial nominees (maybe leglislation as well, I just can’t remember). During those days, we argued and howled at the Republican threats of the nuclear option and arguments about the anti-majoritarian nature of the cloture system. To now argue that the system is in need of reform is completely unprincipled and hypocritical.
Jazz, meanwhile, reminds Democrats of the inevitability of political karma:
Listen, Democrats… you didn’t like it when the GOP was running the table on you, stopping all of your agenda and building audition tapes for Legislators Gone Wild. If you didn’t have the filibuster, what judges would be sitting on all the courts right now? What other legislation would be in place? Now take a look at the stimulus (I’m sorry… porkulus) package you just hung around your own necks. If that doesn’t work some miracles in the next 18 months, you may be looking at hard times in 2010. Do you want to hand that kind of power to your opponents?
Like BJ and Jazz, I support the filibuster for legislative purposes. It allows the minority in the Senate to have an opportunity to block bad legislation. If the practice has grown in the last couple of decades, that relates more to the polarization of both parties and the inability to give the minority a voice in legislation in the first place. Democrats howled at that practice when in the minority, with Nancy Pelosi howling the loudest and promising reform if given a majority. She got get majority two years ago, and if anything, she’s worsened the situation. One look at how Porkulus came to the floor shows that far from wanting reform, Pelosi just wanted absolute control of legislation. That’s what the filibuster prevents, and more cooperation on the front end (from both parties when in power) would make the filibuster much less necessary on the back end.
Presidential appointments, to the judiciary or the federal bureaucracy, are a different matter. Having participated in the “nuclear option” debate in 2005, I still think that a filibuster on presidential appointments is inappropriate and should be discarded. A president should have the presumption of choosing his own Cabinet and advisors as well as judges. Elections have consequences, and as Republicans and Democrats point out in every campaign, that’s one of the biggest.
I’d go even farther and say that the Senate should only vote down an appointment on the basis of competence, ethics, or violations of the law, and not on policy, for which a President receives his mandate from the people. Tim Geithner should have never been approved, for instance, and neither should Leon Panetta, but both should have gotten a floor vote (which they did). Any President deserves an up-or-down vote on his appointments, and the Senate has a duty to provide the actual “advice and consent” and not withhold a floor vote for these appointments. If the President bears the responsibility for the performance of his subordinates, then the Senate should give the President the courtesy of an actual vote.
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Liberals no longer want a country of laws.
Entelechy on February 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Nice job with the screencap…kudos!
JetBoy on February 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Liberals no longer want a country of any but liberals.
jeanie on February 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
They just want to ensure that those pesky Republicans won’t be causing anymore trouble. We all know how wise the Democrats are in spending our money.
txaggie on February 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
it was a bad idea when the GOP proposed it and it is a bad idea now.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
This is sick, blatant display of hypocrisy. Republicans will make a comeback in 2010 because of this and other abuses of power.
liberty787 on February 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Talk it up Democrats. Expose who you are for all to see. Even the most political illiterates. At some point the “moderates” are going to say your rule sucks more.
WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
And don’t forget…. for you OLBERMANN haters….
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fire-keith-olbermann
read and leave a comment!!
afotia on February 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
THe GOP only discussed it for the Judiciary. Not for stuff like Porkulus.
WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
As if they wouldn’t have used it for other things. Please.
DTMH is right. Bad idea then and now.
lorien1973 on February 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM
I have no problems with fillibusters but make them legit and not procedural. I really wanted a Senator to stand up and read the entire bill front to back and then vote on it. It would have taken probably a full 24 hours to read that thing out loud. It would have been great politcally and I no one really could be against a move like that.
cadams on February 17, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Hypocrisy is not a sole possession of the left.
Entelechy on February 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I’ll be more surprised if they don’t do it. Liberals are looking to limit the oppositions ability to defend itself so getting rid of the filibuster would follow.
Blue Collar Todd on February 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Decline and fall.
Vote in the bread, vote in the circus.
Mew
acat on February 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
The Democrats’ pursuit of absolute power continues apace…
CP on February 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM
When the democrates are out and down, they whine and act like clowns.
But when the hold the rod (symbol of power) the have no love for man no God
Dave M on February 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Sorry
Nor God
Dave M on February 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
Why go a half-step like abandoning filibusters? Why don’t they just impose the dictatorship they want, and start up the tribunals already?
Vashta.Nerada on February 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Just in case, I did not make a comment on the merits (good or bad). Just their intentions.
The reasone the filibuster gets used so much today is the gulf in principles between the two parties (at least in the core bases of each). One want to increase the size of the federal government and one wants (when it is functioning correctly) to reduce the size of the federal government. These are mutual exclusive and people of principle on both sides can never agree to compromise.
WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Yeah like anybody wants to give those criminals absolute power.
anniekc on February 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
And the foolish populace deserves them. I’m for giving them 60 votes so the country knows clearly who’s destroying her.
Entelechy on February 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
The republicans never pulled the trigger on eliminating the filibuster because they remembered that they might not always be in power. The dems had better remember the same thing. Besides, if the republicans don’t talk some sense into Specter, Collins and Snowe the question is mute. Having the presidency and control of both houses is like hiring starving foxes to guard the hen house.
duff65 on February 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
They will all go broke and starve. Then they will become cannibals.
izoneguy on February 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Nah, we no longer have two parties in this country, just one who exploits us in our face, and one which does it in different ways. We’re milked by the charlatans/quacks from both sides. We are the fools.
Entelechy on February 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM
This is the best argument against it. But democrats right now are drunk on power, and not thinking clearly. Who am i kidding, they never think clearly. But this could turn around and really bite them in the ass big time.
MDWNJ on February 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM
I wish I could rebut this. Sad that it is not possible.
WashJeff on February 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM
The party of Hope and Change has been unmasked as the party of Fear and Corruption….
DL13 on February 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Serious power tripping going on. These guys are vengeful. Reminds me of the Japanese horror flick The Grudge. If this doesn’t demonstrate the complete immaturity of the so-called elite political class, don’t know what else will. Grow up libtards. Stop pissing on our constitution you lawless, godless adolescents posing as rational adults.
RepubChica on February 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM
I only object to the procedural filibuster. If you want to filibuster, you ought to be out on the floor debating the bill, until all considerations have been brought out, and voted on.
Heck, they could have filibustered the spendathon by reading the bill, front to back, with call outs to what legislation was being effected.
That would have been noticed.
Keith_Indy on February 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
I like this. Very Huckabee-esque
RepubChica on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
This.
And this (via The Other McCain):
Rae on February 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Frankly the Dems would be stupid to do this, just like the GOP was stupid for trying this several years ago. It may not be something written in the Constitution, but has acutally worked to dampen “change” in the Senate and that has been a good thing.
Mr. Joe on February 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Term limits, the census, the filibuster. Sooner or later, the MSM, possibly even the people, may sit up and take notice. Wait, nevermind, the Dems will overreach, the 52% will snooze through it all.
southsideironworks on February 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM
As I recall, the Republicans wanted to limit the filibuster to what it was originally designed to do…stop legislation from being shoved down our throats by the majority. The filibuster wasn’t meant to be used to block appointments to the bench. Nominees are to be given a straight up or down vote and the majority carries the day. DemocRATs used the filibuster to change the appointment rules to be a super-majority for confirmation. You might be able to get 51 votes for an appointee but you can’t bust the filibuster without 60 votes…so they changed the rules. Not nice. That’s what the nuclear option was all about. Enforcing the rules as they were originally meant to be. Unfortunately, clowns like McCain and the “gang of 14″ neutered the Republican majority.
Jarhead68 on February 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Probably could make an argument that elections are an abuse of power as well. Why should the anointed ruling elites have to submit to such an abuse every few years?
I can imagine some talking head somewhere getting the bright idea that,, since we finally, at last, have the right people running things, maybe it’s time to just shut down elections and give these blessed Dems the chance they need to fix the nation.
JellyToast on February 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Here is a short history of the Senate filibuster … the Democrats have done this before.
It’s a Senate rule BTW, subject to just a majority vote.
tarpon on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM
The Axis of Evil now presides in our Nation’s Captitol. These Evil Doers have their WMD’s pointed straight at the GOP and will not stop until they obtain complete dictatorship. Well, until they begin to eat their own, whichever comes first.
TN Mom on February 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM
I agree–I would like the filibuster to stick around for legislation, but not appointments (and there will be some dooosies from this administration).
Count to 10 on February 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Agreed.
MayBee on February 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM
I was thinking the same thing…
Count to 10 on February 17, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Jazz Shaw’s warning about political Karma doesn’t factor in the Trent Lott tradition of self-emasculation when in the majority. We could hold 80 seats in the senate, and someone would find the Scottish parlimentary precedent to denude.
Jacob Marley on February 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Agreed. Make them stand up and speak – hour after hour, through the night, for days on end if necessary. In the case of the porkulus bill, there would be plenty of script.
The “procedural” filibuster is for wimps.
photom on February 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM
I like the thread picture, one of my all time favorite movies “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.” It’s just too bad we have very few politicians (if any) in Washington with the same conviction, fortitude, and understanding that politicians represent THE PEOPLE and not themselves as was displayed by the fictional character Mr. Smith, if we did our government wouldn’t be so damn screwed up!
Liberty or Death on February 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM
After they do the Census Dem-style and create congressional districts tailored to elect nothing but dems, there won’t be a need for filibusters or any other rules favoring a minority. There won’t be a minority… unless you count the minority (the dem rulers) telling the majority (the rest of us) what to do.
n0doz on February 17, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Wow, who coulda predicted this? I doubt they do it, though, since they have three Republican senators in their pockets. Why bother?
jdp629 on February 17, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Since the *goal” of modern liberalism is the acquisition of power, why is this surprising?
You’ll notice that the left can completely reverse its positions on philosophic questions at the drop of a hat, but anything that gets down to how much power *they* should have is a constant.
We’ve already seen the left arguing that “dissent” within the public sphere from the Obama agenda is unpatriotic after years of hearing that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. And the Obama agenda of giving away a trillion dollars to special interests goes against everything the left has claimed to be opposed to these last few years.
Expect to see much, much more of this. And the media will continue to act as Obama’s media organ through it all…just watch.
18-1 on February 17, 2009 at 9:14 PM
The House does not have filibusters. It is only in the Senate.
ss396 on February 17, 2009 at 10:33 PM
The fact they are talking this way and the obvious bias from the media about Republicans behaving badly on
H.R. #1???
Not good. I don’t think I can take 4 years of this and after the campaign witht the media bias… is there ever going to be a calm political climate in the USA again? I feel like I am on pins and needles having to watch this corrupt President and Congress for fear of seeing 200+ years of America slip away.
Conan on February 17, 2009 at 11:11 PM
If you allow the Democrats to do it during the Bush administration without responding in kind, then you have effectively allowed them to block every Republican nominee while getting all their own approved.
I’m sorry, but precedent has been set, like it or not. The only way to allow the filibuster to end for nominees is by setting a sunset date by mutual consent between Republicans and Democrats, after allowing Republicans to use it during the Obama administration.
And that would require the Democrats publicly admitting they were wrong to use the filibuster that way, and allowing it to be used against them by way of retribution until the sunset date arrives.
And do you really think the Democrats would honor such an agreement once they have political power?
Sometimes, you just have to deal with the consequences of others’ wrong actions, even when you’d prefer not to.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 17, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Commenting on my own comments. Must have caught it from The Race Card.
But just a follow-up to the above: if the Senate had done the nuclear option for getting rid of the filibuster on judicial appointments, then all the above would be moot. By allowing the Democrats to get away with the filibuster for nominees, they essentially perpetuated it as a legitimate tactic. If it had been stamped out immediately, then we would have seen Bush’s nominees seated, and it wouldn’t be so critical to prevent Obama from seating his own nominees. By conceding defeat, we now have to fight back twice as hard.
ThereGoesTheNeighborhood on February 17, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Sorry, Ed, gotta disagree with you there. The Constitution specifically grants the Senate the power right of consent on both executive and judicial appointments. The filibuster is a tool that the minority party can use to withhold consent on bad appointments just as validly as it can use it to block legislation.
I agree that the President should (and does) have the option to choose his appointmentees, but the Senate also has the right to say no. Under the current rules that includes the option of filibustering.
JackOfClubs on February 18, 2009 at 3:59 PM
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