Should the Pope deny communion to Pelosi for being pro-choice?
posted at 3:08 pm on February 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
Some Catholics say yes, most — I assume — would say no. It’s a pointless debate since it’ll never happen, but intriguing insofar as the weight of authority does seem to be on the side of denial.
As LifeNews.com reported, Pelosi, one of the top pro-abortion Catholics in elected office in the United States, will meet with Pope on Wednesday…
Jeff Jones, of the Catholic web site Pewsitter, is organizing the petition “requesting the Catholic Bishops of the United States to withhold Communion from her and other prominent Catholics in public life that obstinately persist in their dissent from Catholic teaching on serious moral issues.”…
Jones says Church teachings call Catholics like him to action.
“Most Catholics don’t know that in addition to Canon 915, Canon law also compels Catholics to take action,” Jones says. He says Canon 212 S3 requires lay Catholics to urge Church leaders to action.
Here’s Canon 915, withholding communion from those “obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin.” The defense, presumably, is that participating in abortion might be a sin but merely supporting laws that legalize the practice doesn’t quite rise to that level. The Pope’s been cool to that argument in the past, declaring in 2007 that Catholic legislators should take care to base their laws on “values grounded in human nature,” which includes respect for life, and then upping the ante a few months later by endorsing the excommunication of leftist Mexican parliamentarians for passing an abortion law. The Vatican quickly and quietly cleaned up the latter remarks to make his approval more ambiguous, though, which demonstrates how reluctant Benedict is to push his rhetoric beyond the mere hortatory. If he makes an example of Pelosi, he’ll alienate Catholic Democrats (and their donations) and touch off a global panic about Catholic politicians having to take their marching orders from Rome. Which is why, I suspect, the worst she’ll have to suffer during their tete a tete is a vague lecture on the importance of informing law with morality.
Look at it this way: If he had some huge problem with her, he wouldn’t be giving her an audience. Exit question: Doesn’t the Gospel according to St. Nancy explicitly endorse abortion?
Update (Ed): I’d say that the Pope should deny her communion, for reasons I’ve outlined in several posts over the last few months. It’s pretty difficult to reconcile paragraphs 2271-4 and 2322 of the catechism with Pelosi’s support of abortion rights, especially 2272:
Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,”77 “by the very commission of the offense,”78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
Excommunication means, quite literally, “no communion”. The question will be whether the Pope considers Pelosi’s push for abortion rights “formal cooperation”, an interpretation increasingly popular with American bishops tired of Catholics supporting abortions. If he doesn’t, the Pope will send a signal that participating in the legalization of abortion carries no consequences, an odd signal for this Pope in particular to send.
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Express any opinion you like…But, realize that when you put it out there, you’ve placed it into the public domain. If YOU don’t want your religious views questioned, then don’t do it to someone else. It’s that simple.
You are no more judge and jury over what is Christian and what is not, than I am…Than AP or Ed is….or anyone else here. We talk about what we believe, according to our own perceptions of our faith as we understand it, but our perceptions and our beliefs may not match those of others.
I don’t think I need to say it but…casting the first stone may feel good, but it leaves you without a weapon in your hand.
Talismen on February 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I can sure feel the love here.
Since you apparently missed my point, I’ll explain it to you. I love when catholics preach tolerance and acceptance then use words like heretic, because they’ve used that same word throughout the centuries to justify killing countless thousands of those who dare disagree with them.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Hey Mankai, was that in the proper historical context?
I would be careful accusing people of being child molesters when you have already been warned by the moderator.
I would also be careful of the same when not on the internet.
darclon on February 17, 2009 at 4:04 PM
Thats offensive. The same can be said for public school teachers does that make you an academic?
canditaylor68 on February 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Which is Old Testament teaching that we Christians adhere to..BTW
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM
You have NO POINT. You are exactly what you are spouting… HATE and CONTEMPT for something you know NOTHING about!
Get a CLUE…
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM
I liked that pseudo ghandi quote at the end.
I don’t care if people question my beliefs. I was referring to upinak insulting me and calling me names, etc for daring to disagree with him.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:05 PM
The Pope was talking about apostolic succession in the definition of a church…what’s your point? The Catholic church accepts baptism (arguably its most important rite) from any Christian church.
Trafalgar on February 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Good point candi!! Sad, but true.
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Everyone has an opinion. The secret to having it respected is not being an arrogant, divisive, horse’s rear in the expression of it.
Pelosi will have to answer for her actions. We all will. She knows full well what her denomination believes and in her heart she knows when life begins. It wouild be up to her to accept Communication with that knowledge and up to the Pope to offer it to her.
kingsjester on February 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Kinda BURNS You up, doesn’t it? When will you bring out the mob and burn me to death?
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
Actually IMO she is ugly – see it is all a matter of perception.
Being insulting to others is a venial sin – not a mortal sin
katiejane on February 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM
mankai on February 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
I think people really should look at why the catholic church is concerned with abortion so much. It has a lot more to do with the fact that they, like Muslims, believe you are born into a faith. Therefore, the more children born from catholic families adds to their numbers.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Burning me… or burning you? I wonder what makes you hate religon so much. I can think of many things… lets hope you haven’t created life.
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
What beliefs? You apparently don’t have any
Trafalgar on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Selling authenticated stones with an Obama likeness for 9.99. Order now and get 2 more stones for only an extra 3.99.
MDWNJ on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Grow up..and you still never answered my question about Allah and El Shaddai…
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Born into faith LMFAO…. I guess TTheo forgot God gave us… “Free Will”. what a moron.
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Right, because all of those who are not catholic are heretics and have no beliefs.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
In my view Pelosi is going there to figure out how firm the Catholic Churh’s threat of closing Catholic Hospitals here in the State’s is if Obama signs FOCA into law. Catholics might want to sign this petition if they are against Foca:www.fightfoca.com which already has over 600,000 signatures.
SOS Clinton probably just made matters worse with the Pope with her statement about Christianity being perverted (LONG AGO Hillary). I can’t remember any recent i.e. post the middle ages statements where Christian religious leaders demanded that followers take the lives of Muslims/non-believers and that doing so guarantees them Heaven but it is a weekly thing for some Muslim Clerics to condone these heinous acts.
journeyintothewhirlwind on February 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
Trafalgar, what you say, having read my catechism, is true and I agree. However, Pelosi is in Rome for a simple audience, not a Papal Mass, so there will be no Sacrament of Eucharist offered, no communion.
I just hope the Pope clarifies with Nancy, as supposedly did her bishop, exactly what the church teaches about abortion and her support of it, and the consequences thereof. At some point, hopefully after talking to the Roman Pontiff, the woman may, if she really is a Roman Catholic at all, stop presenting herself to taking the host at Mass.
As for losing cafeteria Demoocrat “Catholics” like Pelosi from the ranks of the fervent believers, I say “Buh-bye, don’t let the door hit your buns on the way out.”
marybel on February 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Don’t expect it too either.
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Finally, a way to overpower that evil Holy See…
…a liberal woman and her dead babies.
?
This is ridiculous. Shame on Nancy.
Black Adam on February 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
If I was Pelosi I would throw myself prone at the Pope’s feet. He isn’t going to let her off. Pelosi is the most powerful woman in our country, the Majority Leader in the House. He knows who she is, he knows the statements she has made about the Church and the Churches position on Abortion. No one remembers her Bishop calling her in months ago for what she said, about what she thinks Catholic Church’s position on when life starts? I am sure the post are in the archive here on HA and Malkin’s Blog. I don’t care if anyone hates the Catholic Religion…it isn’t a new phenomena.
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/27/pelosi-and-the-catholic-church-on-abortion/
Dr Evil on February 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Sure I answered your question. You might want to learn a little more about arabic culture. The point is that AP may as well have the name JesusPundit.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
Just because it’s a lessor sin doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be confessed before receiving communion, does it?
Esthier on February 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Eh…I swear, I love debating someone with a different view or opinion, but you’re exactly right there, upinak. TTheo has no idea what he’s bashing, and can’t have a legitimate debate. Just bash, bash, bash.
Honestly, the rate he’s going I’d be kinda surprised if he’s still on HA after long.
JetBoy on February 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM
The RCC has to stop enabling pro-choice politicos by acting as though their actions have no consequence. Pope B once said that the Church may have to be smaller in the future as it will only be comprised of the truly faithfull. Denying Pelosi communion would be a good first step.
Lou Budvis on February 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM
It is quite simply that Catholics believe in the sanctity of human life. And that the most innocent life, that of the unborn child, deserves our help and protection.
Trafalgar on February 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM
At what point is the child of a catholic couple catholic?
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:10 PM
TTheoLogan
Awwww, Christ, are you going to drag out the tired Crusades line and offer it as evidence of Catholic persecution? The interrogations and persecutions of Inquisition? Good grief. Is that all you have? Let’s keep it to current events please. If you have any evidence of Catholics (not one person) persecuting any one in the name of church then please link it, or shut up!
JAM on February 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Wah wah wah.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Hey you and I have had our differences. But this is like nothing I have ever seen… even with Olaf.
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM
ROFL!!!!
Talismen on February 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
I’ve only said “Foxe’s book of martyrs” several times.
There’s much more recent examples of their persecution of other faiths. They basically do it when they have the power to do so. They only stopped doing it when they lost the power.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Not at all until baptism and even then the church required confirmation to be a full blown member
katiejane on February 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Are you Catholic? Why do you care? How does it offend you what they do?
genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM
Yep. The needle is skipping on the album…over and over again. Very sad.
kingsjester on February 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
How does what offend me? No, I’m not Catholic. But I regard them as just as lost as mormons, jws, etc.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
When they’re confirmed
Trafalgar on February 17, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Baptism by immersion, or just christening?
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM
When they decide to baptis the child. FYI, I am Catholic but neither of my Parents were not.
Was it me at age 13 who decided to become Catholic or my Parents who let me decide what I wanted?
Who do you think was in the right or wrong.
You are an idiot. YOU have NO CLUE of WTF you are talking about and you obscene hatred of Catholics is apalling. You don’t understand anything you are talking about. HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE POINTED OUT TO YOU?????
Where is my idiot be-gone spray….
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Which is more laughable?
(a) A church that claims authority from God through Peter as to who gets into heaven or not. (RCC)
(b) Several people who studied the Bible and decided they wanted to form a church that claims authority from God through the Bible as to who gets into heaven or not. (Protestants)
Christ told Peter that he would receive the keys to kingdom, and whatsoever he bound or loosed on earth would be bound or loosed in heaven. At least Catholics lay claim to that authority. What claim to divine authority do any of the Protestants have that God should recognize them?
BTW, I am not Catholic. Never have been. But it sure seems between the two that they have the better case.
Marking Time on February 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Again, how does it affect your life one way or another? Do Buddhists also have this effect on you? Hindus? What are you really arguing?
genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
You are a religous racists and have now proved it.
ALLAH, can we get a 730 on this guy and bank his butt?
upinak on February 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
I definitely feel the love of Christ in upinak. A true example of Christ’s and Paul’s command that we love others more than ourselves, for sure.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
A religious racist? What exactly is that?
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
The chritening – no need to do the “dunk or drown” version.
katiejane on February 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
Should the Pope deny communion to Pelosi for being pro-abortion? Is murder a sin? YES!
bmac727 on February 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
And when is the christening?
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM
What does the name “Allahpundit” have to do with anything? He’s not Muslim. He never said it’s only a Muslim name (which you’ve alleged two or three times now).
My question is, what is the relevance?
Abby Adams on February 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
No you didn’t answer the question..I asked you if you thought the Muslim “Allah” was the same as “El Shaddai”…if you don’t have an answer just say so. Telling me El Shaddai is hebrew was not what I asked you.
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Hypocrisy…Personified.
Talismen on February 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM
The relevance is AP chose that name to mock Muslims, but he doesn’t apparently realize it’s blasphemous to Arab speaking Christians as well. He probably didn’t bother looking into it.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Sure, because I’m calling everyone on here idiots, stupid, etc.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
The pope must deny Communion to Nancy Pelosi or his leadership of the Catholic Church is based on gaseous air.
Unless she confesses her sins, including supporting the murder of the unborn and supporting and attending the 2001 annual San Francisco Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Pride Celebration with Harry Hay (spot numbers 31 and 34), the man who supported man/boy sex, to the Holy Father and receives absolution for her sins, she is not fit to receive the Holy Sacrament.
As a Catholic, I am hoping that Pope Benedict XVI refuses her.
sinsing on February 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Opinions are like…bellybuttons (or other unmentionable parts of anatomy) , everybody has one.
marybel on February 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Are you asking if the Muslim and Christian God are the same? No. Are you asking if they both use “Allah” to refer to God, yes.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Of course.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM
And you know he chose the name to “mock Muslims” how exactly?
Abby Adams on February 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Well, denying papal decrees and ecyclicals or denouncing Councils and Popes as irrelevant certainly doesn’t make one a very knowledgable Catholic… nor does it change what they decreed as infallible, eternal truth.
I taught Religious Education in two diocese… but I don’t need that to read the Popes and Councils. They were abundantly clear in their pronouncements and were pretty ticked if anybody tried to claim a “greater understanding” of those clear statements (Vatican I, Leo XIII).
mankai on February 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
No…because you’re doing exactly what you believe the RCC does…which is apparently to pretend that you and you alone “own” and “judge” what is Christain and what isn’t.
Get thee behind me…
Talismen on February 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Ask him, I’m sure he’s willing to explain it better than me. Do a little research on “when he appeared” and the context.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
TTheologan, all I can say is that you are in my prayers.
Trafalgar on February 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
As a child but unless the person follows through with confirmation the baptism/christening is little more than any other Christian baptism.
katiejane on February 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Also, he’s an atheist, so being “blasphemous to Arab speaking Christians as well” probably won’t hold a lot of water with him, anyway.
Abby Adams on February 17, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Right, because I need to ask the catholic church what the bible means before I can decide for myself.
It’s fun being a prole.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM
TTheo?
My 4:14 post? I really am curious as to your response.
Marking Time on February 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I’m sure it doesn’t.
My point is he’s doesn’t know what he’s talking about(as you can tell from his postings in general) and that he’s not one to talk about religion bashing.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Yeah, I meant to say…we’ve butted heads on some things, but at least it was intelligent discourse.
TTheo makes Olaf look truly a Saint. And yeah…that’s saying something.
JetBoy on February 17, 2009 at 4:20 PM
I’ve only said “Foxe’s book of martyrs” several times.
TTheoLogan
Well exerpt from it then. I’m not going to read some book so I can respond to a Catholic Basher just b/c he says so.
If you can cite any RECENT instance of Catholics persecuting other religions, then do so. Or STFU! You keep going back to the torrid history of Catholicism that we are all well aware of. That does not reflect the Church of today.
And no one cares what the meaning of Allah is on this thread.
JAM on February 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Pelosi and all pro-abortion public figures most certainly should be denied Holy Communion. In addition to being in grave sin they are also providing scandal for the rest of the faithful. The Pope himself need not do this. The bishops of their dioceses are fully able to enforce this. Concerning excommunication, the Pope and bishops are not the ones who do this. Individuals excommunicate themselves. When the church issues a decree of excommunication it is only a formal declaration of what has already happened by the individuals own actions.
By the way, the only references to official Church documents that I’ve seen here is when Ed quotes the CCC.
Goldenavatar on February 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM
For all the “lost” populations you list,are you entirely sure that you are part of the population that is not “lost”? I mean the combined religious populations of the earth far outnumber the non believing populations. Do you think that there may be something to that? Or do you just assume everyone else is more “ignorant” than you are?
canditaylor68 on February 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM
+infinity to Talismen
JetBoy on February 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Well. Allah, you’ve had a good day. A Palin thread and a church thread. Does all of this mean that subscriptions are on the back burner for awhile?
genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Two things, look into the authority supposedly given to peter, and the subsequent history after it. He actually had less authority than many of the other apostles.
Second, they claim that peter passed down the authority(which there’s no proof of, even if he had the right to do so), and by apostolic succession, they alone control Christianity. It’s a power grab. The most defining moment I had in a conversation with a catholic was asking if some guy in remote India found a bible, if he could become a Christian and start a church. The catholic said no, they’d need to get permission from someone in the apostolic succession line.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM
No you don’t.
You’re assuming that…so you can keep up your assinine behavior.
If you have a beef with the RCC…Take it up with them.
Talismen on February 17, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Yes
TexasDude on February 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Quite a stretch there, including non-practicing Catholics to get those results.
Non-practicing Catholic = not Catholic.
One must presume the reason they are non-practicing Catholics is because they are not in agreement with Catholic teaching.
It’s only slightly less valid than a poll about the pro-life views of Catholics that polls, say, Methodists.
benjamin on February 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I think you have no idea what you’re talking about. Arabic christians have always referred to God as “Allah”. It means God in arabic.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
How convenient.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
sinsing on February 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Exactly he needs to sit her down and tell her this isn’t D.C. and Catholic teaching isn’t negotiable. She is a Strong Willed woman though, I believe also drunk on the power of her office. Will she approach him with humility? I try to picture Nancy Pelosi as a supplicant but she is a proud woman – and vain, how do I know, look at her (appearance) we know pride goeth before the fall.
Dr Evil on February 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM
TTheologan, you are an incredibly ignorant person and I can’t for the life of me figure out why you want to insist on demonstrating that repeatedly. You, I’m afraid, are the ‘lost’ one…all the more reason to keep you in my prayers.
Trafalgar on February 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM
? It’s not a thing of ignorance. The thief on the cross became a Christian and knew little if any of Jesus’ teachings.
If you’re asking whether or not I reject when Christ talked about a narrow road and the sheep and the goats simply because that would exclude a lot of people, then no, I don’t reject that. That’s the same mentality that says once something becomes popular, that God conforms.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Hillary’s comments:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/17/AR2009021700957.html?wprss=rss_nation
journeyintothewhirlwind on February 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Yeah, I don’t know how I live with myself.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM
“Protestant” is a Catholic word.
If anyone claims any belief merely because someone else tells him so, he is a fool. Hilkiah “found the book” and Jeremiah “found the book” and they studied it for themselves. It was religious authorities who claimed to “sit in the seat of Moses” who oppressed the Acts-age church.
I have a theology of one… and I alone will answer for it. I claim no sect and I have no creed. And when the Popes declare things one year only to “adjust” that “unchanging” statement in another, who are you supposed to believe?
Should Catholics believe that the RCC should be “the religion of the state to the exclusion of all other forms of worship?” That was decreed by Pius IX based on multiple papal decrees including Urvan VIII, Martin V and Gregory XVI. Were they wrong?
As a non-Catholic you were deemed a “heretic” by scores of Popes. “Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus” was declared by scores of Popes. Praying with a non-Catholic was deemed a sin… do I need to go on?
mankai on February 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Don’t worry, God is always there for you and there is always hope.
Trafalgar on February 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM
I think you have no idea what I was refering to. For example, Malaysian arabic muslims have real issue with Malaysian arabic christians using the word “Allah”..it’s been a big stink for awhile now due to the arabic muslims fearing that the arabic christians will somehow use the translation to covert muslims to christianity.
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Because no one else will?
Eh…Trafalgar is absolutely right. You are in my prayers as well, TTheo.
JetBoy on February 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I dunno, according to upinak and traditional catholicism, I should be burned for disbelief.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM
I have to admit, I am in a way relieved when you guys show your true colors.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Please, I pray to you, do not put pictures of Pelosi on your website anymore. Can’t you replace it with one of a deranged feline, or a rabid dog, Pee Wee Herman? Anything would be better than looking at the smug arrogant woman who has just pulled off the biggest heist in American History. Thanks.
scalleywag on February 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM
How is it “convenient”? If I took a poll of conservatives over who should run for president in 2012, and a slight majority responds “Arlen Specter”, then you look at the poll methodology and most of the self-identifying conservatives beleive in bigger government, higher taxes, abortion rights, gun control, and activist judges… would the poll still be “valid?”
Self-identifying Catholics may not necessarily be the best representation of the Catholic Church en banc.
Abby Adams on February 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Abortion, embryonic stem cell research, planned parenthood -
Yes.
diogenes on February 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM
As a Catholic, I am watching Nancy’s meeting with the pope very closely. As the Vicar of Christ on earth, the pope has an obligation to shepherd the flock, so to speak, to counsel those who are going astray and try to coax them back into the fold. I doubt that there will be a press release from either side stating that Nancy and the pope could not come to an agreement, so he excommunicated her. So we must watch what she says and does after returning from Rome. Will she attend Mass? Will she continue to foster abortion? If she continues along the path she is currently traveling, THEN we must watch whether she is denied communion. I doubt that anything public will come out of this private meeting in Rome.
Having said that, I must add that the pope should excommunicate her if she does not amend her ways. Even if he loses several million liberal American Catholics and all they put in the collection plate on Sunday. Jesus Christ changed the world with 12 men, one of them a traitor. If the pope doesn’t defend the faith, he may keep the Pelosis, Kennedys, Kerrys and Mulkowskis, and lose the heretofore faithful.
BitterClinger on February 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM
It’s convenient that any catholic who you don’t agree with is not a real catholic.
The funny thing is it shows that the pope has hardly any of the influence he used to have.
TTheoLogan on February 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Let the appeasement begin. Thanks, Hillary.
scalleywag on February 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM
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