Illegal aliens awarded $78,000 in damages against Arizona rancher who held them at gunpoint
posted at 7:49 pm on February 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
Remember this? The verdict’s in and the vicious comments at the Chronicle’s website have already begun: “He should have just shot them and buried them on his ranch. Shoot, shovel, and shutup. Who’s gonna report them missing?” A fitting sentiment on the day Ramos and Compean were sprung given their own attempt to cover up their crime.
That said, how can a guy be liable for holding potentially dangerous trespassers on his property at gunpoint until the cops come?
A federal jury found Tuesday that a southern Arizona rancher didn’t violate the civil rights of a group of illegal immigrants who claimed that he detained them at gunpoint in 2004.
The eight-member civil jury also found Roger Barnett wasn’t liable on claims of battery and false imprisonment.
But the jury did find him liable on four claims of assault and four claims of infliction of emotional distress and ordered Barnett to pay $77,804 in damages — $60,000 of which were punitive.
Barnett declined to comment afterward, but one of his attorneys, David Hardy, said the plaintiffs lost on the bulk of their claims and that Barnett has a good basis for appeal on the two counts on which he lost.
I’m at a loss. All I can figure is that he somehow went above and beyond simply holding them. There was a dog involved. Maybe he gave them the Abu Ghraib treatment? The tort of assault typically involves fear of bodily harm while infliction of emotional distress turns on “outrageous conduct”; threatening to have a snarling pitbull tear their arms off would arguably qualify on both counts, if in fact something like that happened, but is that really any worse than pointing a gun at them? Enlighten me, ambulance chasers.
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Those jurors must have been hardcore leftists. I want to see some interviews.
WisCon on February 17, 2009 at 10:53 PM
“Alleged” by an illegal alien who committed a crime by not only crossing our border illegally but also entering private property and trespassing. Are you kidding me?? You’d believe a criminal over this rancher?
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 10:56 PM
Well, it quit caring when the best and brightest products from our schools systems elected a socialist as President….now I just stock up on ammo.
saltyrover on February 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM
So, do you believe them?
Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Amen. And Speakup doesnt seem to be fazed at the fact that there were “thousands” of illegals that trampled through this guys ranch, killed his livestock, stole his equipment, left tons of trash and human waste and broke into his home.
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Good idea..I hear its becoming a hot commodity!
Wileygrl3 on February 17, 2009 at 11:00 PM
By my estimate the price has doubled on ammo in a very short time. I wonder why ammo has become so popular lately? (sarc)
Paleoconservatarian on February 17, 2009 at 11:12 PM
You see but you do not observe, you hear but you do not listen. By each of so many things the man’s calling was
plainly revealed. That all united should fail to enlighten the competent observer is almost inconceivable.
semloh on February 17, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Here in south Texas, you cannot leave your home without thinking about what is going to happen while you are gone.
But at least in Texas we have what is called criminal trespassing and the castle doctrine.
Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Florence King relates how, when she and another young girl stumbled across a moonshiner’s operation, the man with the shotgun told them “if’n you’s from the gummint, you gonna carry yer ass outta here in a bucket.” (I miss ole F.K.)
Tzetzes on February 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Some of you ragging on VinyFoxy have been around here long enough to know better. He is a sporadic, but long time poster, and that’s his ‘schtik’. It is hard core sarcasm, and satire based on more than a grain of truth.
What the real Vicente Fox, (Ex president of Mexico and Amigo to The Bushes and McCain) would say if he expressed his true feelings here at Hot Air.
(P.S. Thanks E., for the link)
LegendHasIt on February 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Was it the Southwest version of the OJ jury?
wileygrl3 :
You’d believe a criminal over this rancher?
Well said, very disturbing stuff. And this is Arizona not Vermont.
PC14 on February 17, 2009 at 11:26 PM
To find out how truthful they are, simply ask them where they are from and after they tell you, tell them to prove it.
Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 11:33 PM
I remember reading about this story just a week ago and part of the story was the garbage that the illegals dump on his land (and others). I believe the story said it is 10 inches thick with dirty diapers, clothes, wrappers off the drugs that the illegals take to keep them wired to run, etc etc.
The companies, individuals that support illegals should be forced to do garbage detail on his(others)properties for 6 months. They won’t support another illegal alien after they are done.And the judge should be the first one forced to help.
Fence building has brought lawsuits brought by Enviro groups over peccaries and other animals that roam between borders.
journeyintothewhirlwind on February 17, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Its always a fine line with cases like these and its simply a matter of what type of persons are making the call against you. Castle Doctrine here in Florida too, the thing is if that happened here it would be safer (w.r.t. potential penalties) to shoot the perp and claim you were in fear of your life than to hold him until the cops show up and allow the cascade of lawsuits that follow.
Lawyers out for a quick buck strike again.
stewardoftruth on February 17, 2009 at 11:35 PM
its become “opposite world”. whatever you think SHOULD happen, the opposite actually happens. you can actually use this theory to predict outcomes and amaze your friends. this is what occurs when the
lunaticsliberals run the asylum.mph on February 17, 2009 at 11:38 PM
The man’s a hero
He’s a drunk
A fiddling Nero
He has spunk
Oh bunk, the man’s a crazy lout
And still I long to find him out
I believe he’s been here all around your shores
Dancing ’round these hallowed halls
After all, we Olde English are known
For splendid balls
I see him as a pirate!
No – a poet!
A gypsy mopping sweat upon his brow
It could be you!
Odd’s fish, it could be me!
That scalawag could be most any sod
PercyB on February 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM
So, this is what the end of America looks like.
How sad.
-Dave
Dave R. on February 17, 2009 at 11:59 PM
Lets say his property was invaded by islamic terrorists that parachuted onto his property, would the bleeding hearts try to convict this man that was protecting his property? Don’t think so. So why do people that are illegally in this country and illegally trespassing on someone’s property for no apparent reason given any authority or power over the owner of the property? The key word is “illegal”, they should be put on a bus and dropped off across the border, they have no rights in this country…. that is right, they have no rights in this country.
workingforpigs on February 18, 2009 at 12:08 AM
Best stock to buy in the next 4 years in the company that makes razor wire and ammo. It looks like we will be held hostage on our own property. We should all wrap our property in razor wire and mark it no tresspassing in 3 languages, English, Spanish and Democrat…… then shoot on sight.
workingforpigs on February 18, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Let’s remember folks, Caucasian, heterosexual, Republican, hard-working, Christian males are the real enemy in this country. This lawsuit outcome solidifies this notion.
jediwebdude on February 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Funny, there are similar laws in Louisiana. Maybe now, he’ll just shoot the criminals and not bog down our glorious justice system with frivolous law suits.
saltyrover on February 18, 2009 at 12:13 AM
I can’t speak democrat…I’ve tried to learn it but the rules of speech just don’t make sense. Too many words have multiple meanings. I get confused and just run from my house crying in pain.
saltyrover on February 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM
Great!!,
Man gets sued for doing the job our government failed to do and gets paid to do.
Not the “Hope and Change” we were promised.
Baxter Greene on February 18, 2009 at 12:31 AM
There was a store in Hallettsville, Texas that had a sign that stated; “Do not leave your car unattended”. The sign was in Czech, German, Spanish and English.
Johan Klaus on February 18, 2009 at 12:36 AM
And your point being?
N4646W on February 18, 2009 at 12:41 AM
I live on the Mexican border in Texas and have been listening to this garbage about Illegals having all these rights ever since the two Border Patrolmen, Ramos and Campean were indicted. They of course “broke the law”, and “had no business shooting an unarmed man”, even if the idiot was an illegal alien, drug smuggler. Yeah right, gimme a break! If they are illegal aliens they are breaking the law!! If we did in Mexico what they have done in our country, we would be in Cerrizo prison for the next 25 years, if we were lucky, or maybe they would just throw us to the drug cartels and they would chop our heads off.
I am so sick of our government cowtowing to Mexico over this stuff, it’s all political. Don’t know why, don’t know who, but some higher up in the US is calling the shots on all these “poor, abused” illegals and if they don’t stop we are going have a revolution down here. It is so bad in Juarez, Mexico right now that it is inevitable that some of it is going to spill over our border into El Paso, where we already have the same problem as this poor rancher is seeing in Arizona. If it weren’t for people like this rancher, it would be even worse. He is not the problem, he is the solution, got to play hardball with these people, they just don’t understand anything else.
Susanboo on February 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM
The point is that most everyone is failing to see the sarcasm in VinyFoxy’s posts…
swash_plate on February 18, 2009 at 12:46 AM
He was permitted to do whatever was REASONABLY necessary under the circumstances to detain them until authorities could be summoned. Any abuse above and beyond that which is reasonably necessary would expose him to tort liability. Basically, he had a right to detain them, but not be an a$$hole while doing it…
tommylotto on February 18, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Post Signs in English & Espanol:
“If You Choose To Come Onto My Property Illegally,
You Grant Me Permission To Shoot You If I Choose”
Trespasser Beware.
profitsbeard on February 18, 2009 at 12:46 AM
You should have your US citizenship revoked and promptly be deported to North Korea, as you are clearly too f’ing stoopid to reside in a free country, troll.
I bet you were probably one of the government-schooled ignoramus alternate jurors, too.
BTW, are you that illegal criminal invader defender that used to harass us over at NewsBusters, and who went by the screen name of Tumbler?
I bet it is you, isn’t it, Eugene?
Like I told you over at NB a couple of years ago, go pluck a cactus.
Moron.
-Dave
Dave R. on February 18, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Anyone ask this yet? Can’t he countersue for trespassing and damages?
Or maybe just don’t pay. Make them come back and sue for collection.
jusgottabeme on February 18, 2009 at 12:47 AM
That is for dam sure.
Johan Klaus on February 18, 2009 at 12:48 AM
Hell i am not surprised that the illegals didnt hire
the same aclu layers represnting the islamic terrorists..
Hell they might have gotten a free house courtesy of obama
and pelozi or reid..
jcila on February 18, 2009 at 12:49 AM
So, you believe the illegals?
Johan Klaus on February 18, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Didn’t ‘ya hear? Obama’s mouthpiece San Fran Nan wrote some provisions in for the illegals in the porkulus package. I think free in-state tuition or something, and of course all the free healthcare and food stamps they can carry!
Susanboo on February 18, 2009 at 12:52 AM
If you cross the border, you can be domesticated (become a liberal voter), succumb to the liberal doctrine and become a useful part of the liberal society. Once indoctrinated, you will swoon to the liberal doctrine. If you parachute in, you are here to overthrow the society and implement your own. All that hard liberal work diminished to nothing.
N4646W on February 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM
If it is sarcasm, it is all too true. If it is sarcasm Viny has my apology, but it is still all too true, but tell that to La Razza and all the subcultures that want to reshape the Republic.
N4646W on February 18, 2009 at 1:02 AM
N4646W – The most assanine thing is that all those illegals that cross over here and become liberals – 9 out of 10 of them are Catholic, in other words, supposed Social Conservatives. But just like the Hispanic Americans in El Paso, (which is very poor compared to the rest of the state), they will be so in the pockets of the Feds for all these government incentives that they will vote Democrat anyway. El Paso, despite being in red-state Texas, is sooo very bluuuuuuuu!!
Susanboo on February 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM
You folks that think your state’s Castle Law will protect you from prosecution are woefully misinformed. This Fed stuff will run over your State law like a band of illegal’s over Barnett’s ranch.
If our politicians won’t protect our citizens, the answer to this madness is quite clear. The names of the plaintiffs’ lawyers and the names of the jurors are public.
Shep on February 18, 2009 at 1:07 AM
Interesting… I was trained in CROWD CONTROL by the US Navy…
When you are alone… and outnumbered, you have to create a Psychchological dominance over the crowd… usualy by Yelling, threatening, and being very aggresive..
If you don’t a crowd of 20 can easily overwhelm a single person.
This guy, according to records, has turned over 12,000 illegals from his property in the last 10 years… he is ALWAYS dealing with crowds.
A gun is NOT a magic wand… if you can’t assert your dominance over the perps? You’re done… Sounds to me like that was exactly what he was doing.
Romeo13 on February 18, 2009 at 1:10 AM
At least you live in a RED state. I’m here in the PRC, where our biggest export is the population. Got some extra room down there?
N4646W on February 18, 2009 at 1:14 AM
Allah,
If the government can’t and won’t protect it’s own borders, why should it allow a private property owner to protect his? After all, you cannot have bureaucratic inefficiency shown up by a single land owner who wants to diminish their voting block.
N4646W on February 18, 2009 at 1:22 AM
No one should have to live as this man and his family do. He must spend most of his time rounding up these invaders as well as picking up after them. And where is PETA? They obviously don’t care about his cattle dying from the trash these vile people leave on his property.
Rose on February 18, 2009 at 1:27 AM
But, with a shotgun or a Glock 45, you can put the fear of God in them.
Johan Klaus on February 18, 2009 at 1:30 AM
It is just politics; like sentencing Campean and Ramos.
Johan Klaus on February 18, 2009 at 1:34 AM
Morons. It will be appealed, and overturned hopefully. It just further proves your peers are stupid idiots. They probably voted for Obama.
tx2654 on February 18, 2009 at 2:59 AM
The rancher should sue the illegal alien hiring enablers in his area. In fact, if he was to burn down the nearest illegal alien hiring business, and if I was a member of the jury, I’d vote to acquit and make the business compensate the rancher for the match and gasoline to the tune of $77,805.
Buddahpundit on February 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM
Dear Sports.
Ah, finally I can post my shabby responses on the wonderful Hotair. And all the way from Melbourne Australia! No, really. I can’t believe the smarts and insight of so many of the commenters. Just wonderfully insightful and witty fun, really. Bloody great and bravo stuff.
A major reason for allowing illegal aliens to run rampant, is that ordinary US citizens take the brunt of the disaster, just like the slow Marxist product sodden Socialism and Islamisation of the free West in general.
You should try calling up our own Australian alleged frontlines against incursion and terror, the National Security Hotline and ASIO. A beyond belief PC disingenuous, incompetent, out and out treasonous joke and lie. No, really. Left Liberal multiculti enviro-freak anti-Semite Islamism is in the very air we breath. We are sadly often surrounded by indoctrinated boobs.
Still, it’s a laugh.
All the best from Colonel Robert Neville blogspot com.
Colonel Robert Neville on February 18, 2009 at 6:59 AM
Another assault on our property rights.
Sxyrzrbck on February 18, 2009 at 7:13 AM
This guy just can’t win. He has spent a lot of money repairing and cleaning up what these people damaged and stole. Maybe he could sue the gumminent for not sealing the border on his property. Don’t they have some culpability here?
darwin-t on February 18, 2009 at 7:21 AM
Good luck prying cash out the ranchers hands. Maybe he can deliver the dollars one steel-jacketed round at a time to the “victims”. Afterwards, grab the backhoe because your lawn is going to be well fertilized.
Physics Geek on February 18, 2009 at 7:56 AM
Unbelievable… HE should be allowed to use his cattle castrating tools on the jury and lawyer (Can’t say judge because that would be illegal).
First of all, the judge who allowed this to come to court should be thrown out of office immediately. However our legal system is thoroughly corrupt. There was a case in colorado where an ex judge and his lawyer wife sued a guy to take his property because the judge and his wife were trespassing on it. Ended up costing the rightful property owner a half mill to defend.. AND the idiots in boulder did not throw the dirtball judge off the bench(Not the land grabber, the judge who presided)
Apologies to any good lawyers here at HA, but the legal system stinks like rancid pigshit. It is only going to get worse under obamabi. There was a news story in my area about someone shooting a lawyer in the head in a parking lot. It’s said, but the first thought to come to mind was “He probably deserved it”. I realize that the farmer needed a lawyer to defend himself but, that lawyer didn’t defend without being paid… probably to the tune of 400/hr.
Oh, and we also had 2 judges in PA who got 2.some million in kickbacks for railroading kids into a for pay juvi center. You mean to tell me that no lawyers in the court system or other judges had any clue as to what was going on there??? Bovine excrement..
Let us also not forget the persecution of Ramos and Campion… Another legal debacle.
Mommy, why are those guys in Burkas and the other guys with briefcases hanging from those trees???
housecleaning dear.
bullseye on February 18, 2009 at 7:59 AM
By their reasoning, if a burgler/rapist breaks into my home and I hold my German Shepherd on a leash and threaten him with bodily harm if he moves until the cops get here, I’m the one who ends up getting punished? I’m sorry, but I don’t think something like this would happen here in TN (at least not yet).
tnmama on February 18, 2009 at 8:02 AM
Appealing this could well cost Barnett more than the 78K in damages. He loses either way, and if he doesn’t appeal, the precedent is ugly. Illegals will be coming in looking for grounds for litigation instead of jobs.
I notice the illegals have now applied for visas, a three plus year exercise in futility. Applications will likely be denied with a history of illegal entry. But it makes them look better in court. The whole thing stinks.
By the time Reid and Pelosi get around to the border issue, I fear the Shamnesty bill will look good.
swede7 on February 18, 2009 at 8:11 AM
Personal Property Rights Gone
Liberal US Courts & Judges
Illegals in OUR Courts Sueing Americans
Constitutional Rights for Illegals
ACLU Lawyers
=
Death of America
Mark Garnett on February 18, 2009 at 8:21 AM
I’m starting a dude ranch and hunting resort in Arizona. We will offer varmint hunting. Especially at night. Three-day and one week packages, all inclusive.
riverrat10k on February 18, 2009 at 8:24 AM
You have no right to protect yourself in the new United Socialist States of America.
Disturb the Universe on February 18, 2009 at 8:32 AM
He put panties on their heads?
Disturb the Universe on February 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM
Barnett should have countersued for infliction of emotional distress…which is what residents in that area likely feel with crowds of illegals running through their properties like locusts.
A friend of mine lives on a ranch in southern Arizona. One night with her husband out of town and pregnant with her first child she hears a noise downstairs. Figuring no one would have reason to be in her house at 2 a.m. she heads downstairs with a Remington 870 and sees three illegals rummaging through her pantry and refrigerator.
So she screams at them at the top of her lungs and starts waving the shotgun around, then gets them to kneel and face the wall with their hands on their heads. Calls up the sheriff and he takes them away. That’s the last she heard of them and hasn’t had an incident since.
You want to stop things like this? Put the fear of God into the lawbreakers.
JohnTant on February 18, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Is anyone here familiar with the testimony? “Maybe” this guy actually assaulted the illegals? I was more concerned with the civil rights part of this case. As far as I can tell, he can still detain these people, just don’t assault them
BierManVA on February 18, 2009 at 8:38 AM
Appeal! Please!
sabbott on February 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM
They have no rights under our constitution. Well aimed lead by all border landowners would severly curtail illegal immigration. It also feeds the buzzards and makes them fat and happy, thereby helping the environment.
riverrat10k on February 18, 2009 at 8:41 AM
This will lead to swift and deadly self defense by future ranchers who wish not to be litigating cases well into the future… They will litigate “on the spot”!
sabbott on February 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM
As well they should.
riverrat10k on February 18, 2009 at 8:44 AM
how is it that mexican nationals who broke the law and are in this country illeagally even have the right to file a lawsuit. couldnt the rancher have asked to confront his accusers and then asked the court to deport them on the grounds that they dont even belong here.and who pays for the lawyer us tax payers.if I was this rancher I would start a can garden. mexican.grain feeding illegals would stop the problem I use 180 grain myself sometimes 220.
lees on February 18, 2009 at 9:32 AM
This will probably get overturned at Appeals but its sickening that the courts ever allowed this case into the court in the first place.
Maxx on February 18, 2009 at 9:39 AM
THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS!!! What about the word “illegal” do you and other bleeding heart Liberals not understand. Illegal means that they have ZERO Constitutional rights, no civil rights. Our laws should apply to OUR citizens, period!
We need to start shooting them all and claiming they attacked us… I bet our border would be secure then.
Mark Garnett on February 18, 2009 at 9:57 AM
MEChA and La Raza find it offensive and a violation of THEIR rights, that the U.S. dared to have immigration laws to begin with. They also believe that a lots of the current American territory rightfully belongs to Mexico. These radical basted are the ones that need to be stop. I have nothing against Hispanic. I fought side by side with with Hispanic men who to this day I consider very good friends. But living in Texas, the southern part of this state is gone, Totally! There doing exactly what the frickin tow-heads are doing to Europe, there breeding everyone out! There thinking is to get this state without firing a damn shot? Thanks to the liberals and George W. if this bullshit is not stop!…….. it could and will happen.
try again later on February 18, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Perhaps there should be a class action suit consisting of all ranchers and property owners on the border against Mexico……. sure, that won’t fly, but an illegal alien has more rights than American citizens. This is a bad decision. Civil rights or not, the ranchers civil rights were violated by their invasion. We all need to stop calling it illegal imigration and start calling it INVASION, perhaps that would cast a different tone to the situation.
I still think he needs to post no trespass signs in 3 languages English, Spanish and Democrat and then start shooting if his property rights are violated.
workingforpigs on February 18, 2009 at 10:08 AM
We should all refer to the illegals coming from Mexico as español invasores (spanish invaders) and mark it as terrorist activity. If you refer to Al-Qaeda it strikes fear in our hearts, we just all need to start referring to these folks as español invasores to change the mindset.
workingforpigs on February 18, 2009 at 10:22 AM
…..Perhaps it time for a return of Los Diablos Tejanos?
try again later on February 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Not surprised an Arizona jury went this way. The pity factor for the illegals swayed them. They felt they had to give these people some award.
My wife grew up in Douglas. In the late 1970′s the high school track team would run during practice along the border to a point where they would pick up backpacks full of marijuana.
The entire student body knew about it, no one was ever busted.
Her uncle was murdered on his ranch just outside Douglas in Double Adobe in 1986. The accused murderer faced trial but was aquitted. He was a California parolee traveling back and forth over the crossing in Douglas.
He strong armed the uncle trying to get a ride to Tucson. No one knows why he resorted to killing the man.
FireBlogger on February 18, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Vicious, or realistic? The commenters are merely pointing out that with no witness, there can be no prosecution. There is a ridiculous idea out there that illegal aliens have rights, and this must be disabused. The more lawsuits like this occur, and the more the government resists protecting its citizens, the more likely border residents are to take matters into their own hands, and the more fatalities there will be.
Vashta.Nerada on February 18, 2009 at 11:07 AM
ugh I hope it is appealed too. Illegals do not have civil rights and are not covered under the Constitution!!!!!
grrrr
becki51758 on February 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM
He should have taken another approach. No witnesses. Our military needs to adopt this policy with terrorists too.
dogsoldier on February 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Round them all up, men, women, children…
Deport them, same daym, after DNA and Finger Prints and mug shots…
If they return again, jail them, then deport again…
Arm our borders, no rights for illegals needs to be the call to action…
We, as before 9/11, are in a police state of mind…
Illegals are “at war” with us… Invading America!
Will it take another 9/11 type event for people to wake and demand action, sure and swift, at the point of a gun!
Mark Garnett on February 18, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Let me be the first to welcome you to HA Colonel.
BLOODY well said.
44Magnum on February 18, 2009 at 11:17 AM
One of the comments to a vicious anti-illegal rant:
So now vigilantism = racism.
“You keep using that word. I Do Not Think That Word Means What You Think It Means” – Inigo Montoya
stonemeister on February 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM
should have left them for the buzzards…
NRA Lifer on February 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
I live here is southern arizona, the county Mr. Barnett lives in and ranches. Here is the link to our local paper, read the comments. ILLEGALS not WELCOME. This is also a violation of Mr. Barnett’s right. The Arizona statute states an illegal cannot receive punitive damages in the Arizona court system. This should get overturned and he should not have to pay a dime.
usarmyretired on February 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Sorry the link did not attach for the Sierra Vista Herald story.
http://www.svherald.com/articles/2009/02/18/news/doc499bab37e6026050716155.txt
usarmyretired on February 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Is it legal to place land mines in your own property as long as there are signs posted, in English of course?
cadams on February 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I hope he appeals. This is ridiculus.
ladyingray on February 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Ohhh, hail the informed blogster who is following the M Model. 159th in theater loves them.
hawkdriver on February 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM
The government and the elites have declared war on America. and so far they’re winning. How much spit in the face to we have to take before we get it?
dhimwit on February 18, 2009 at 11:39 AM
The slippery slope began when criminal aliens were accorded the right to sue in a US court. Had they simply been picked up and deported, this could never have happened. Instead, we have a combination of silly politicians, lawyers and jurors conspiring to penalize a citizen land owner for protecting himself – when there is no mention of any real damage being done to the non-citizen criminals. And how could the rancher ever recover his time and court costs, even if he wins on (expensive) appeal? You don’t believe the criminal aliens actually paid for legal representation, do you? Gah!
OzzieMan on February 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Your forgetting the legal precedents set by those held at Gitmo, and they are not even illegal aliens, yet. But then again, I guess the law does not mean what it means, but what it should mean. If that is the case, what does the law mean? So confusing.
N4646W on February 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Armed Mexican soldiers (or people dressed as such) accompany drug runners across our border down here (Cochise County, AZ). It’s common knowledge and witnessed by land owners. Last time I checked this is an act of war. Nothing happens. Until enough intestinal fortitude is mustered to stop these armed invasions, no one is going to take illegals seriously.
It’s time to annex Mexico, carve it up into several states and use their natural resources to benefit all. In the long run the Mexicans will thank us while La Ratza and other scum will cease to exist.
Shep on February 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Great start. I would also add to repeal or reinterpret the 14th Ammendment so that if an illegal has a child here then that child receives the citizenship of the mother’s country.
mrsmwp on February 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Another sign of broken government. Illegals should only get rewarded with a bus ride back to Mexico.
getalife on February 18, 2009 at 11:54 AM
lead is so much cheaper.
marklmail on February 18, 2009 at 11:59 AM
You’re all assuming it’s his property. No one owns private property anymore. Quit paying your property taxes and see how long you can keep “your” land.
And why are we surprised anyway? Any country with enough stupid people who will elect a man like Obama to the presidency, will pass judgments like this.
Mike in Wisconsin on February 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM
This isn’t the first time this has happened. The other guy lost his ranch to these weasels.
Blake on February 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM
That “idea” is worth at least $78,000…
right2bright on February 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Excuse me while I leave the country, cross the border illegally and collect my $78,000…I figure I can do that once a year and live a pretty good life….plus free medical, no taxes…life is good.
right2bright on February 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Executioner?
You, sir, are a complete lunatic. And your screen name is a bad fit for you.
califcon on February 18, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Somebody quick call 9-1-1… Getaclue has been kidnapped and a real American has taker her radical leftisit place here on this thread!
Mark Garnett on February 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM
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