California grinds to a halt

posted at 12:52 pm on February 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Let the recriminations begin.  Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger says that he will lay off 10,000 workers starting today and end the few remaining public-works projects still in progress as the California legislature failed to reach an agreement to hike taxes by over $14 billion in order to close a massive hole in state finances.  Republicans refused to go along:

With lawmakers still unable to deliver a budget after three days of intense negotiations, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger prepared to lay off 10,000 government workers and his administration said it would halt the last 275 state-funded public works projects still in operation.

The projects, which cost $3.8 billion and include upgrades to 18 bridges and roads in Los Angeles County to protect them from collapsing in earthquakes, had been allowed to continue as others were suspended because the state was running out of cash. …

Schwarzenegger had delayed sending out pink slips since Friday, hoping that lawmakers would soon approve a budget. But they failed Monday to find a third GOP vote in the state Senate to achieve the two-thirds majority needed to pass a budget — a requirement that essentially gives the minority Republicans veto power. A spokesman for Schwarzenegger said layoff notices would go out today. …

State Sen. Abel Maldonado (R-Santa Maria) was viewed as the most likely candidate to provide the final vote, but by Monday evening legislative leaders had not agreed to his demands. The dominant Democrats need three Republican votes in each house to pass the budget; leaders in the Assembly said the votes were available in the lower house.

In the tax revolt of the 1970s, conservatives managed to amend the state constitution to require supermajorities in each chamber for tax increases.  They intended to use that as a tool to force better fiscal discipline on state government — a great idea, but unfortunately ultimately ineffective.  California just found other ways to raise money, usually through fee hikes.  It also did nothing to control spending, as the state’s enormous $105 billion annual budget proves.

Republicans have almost no power in the state legislature apart from this supermajority requirement, so it’s not surprising that they’re reluctant to pass up a chance to use it to get spending cuts.  Democrats heavily invested in nanny-state policies over the past few decades, though, and refuse to consider large-scale rollbacks of state government programs.  Doing so would jeopardize their standing among key constituencies, especially public-sector unions like AFSCME and SEIU.  Instead, they want to bulldoze Republicans into jacking up taxes even higher, making the state that much less competitive and forcing business relocation to increase.

However, Republicans did manage some interesting concessions in this package.  They claim over $15 billion in cuts to the budget, as well as greater private contracting on public-works projects, a real sore spot for Californians who wait years for state agencies to complete projects that should take months.  They also got approval for a referendum to limit the legislature’s ability to raid the treasury during boom times, which might have prevented the crisis they face now had it been in place three or four years ago.

Is that enough?  If the Republicans refuse to budge, Democrats will likely play chicken and blame the layoffs of public employees on the GOP, especially given the concessions already made.  Newt Gingrich lost that game in 1995 when he played it with Bill Clinton.  Republicans had more strength in 1995, too, than they have had in California over the last decade.

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I’m not a native; I came to California 35 years ago with a backpack after growing up in a nightmare, having my child taken from me when my wife left, considerable melodrama in Texas, Chicago, etc.

San Francisco seemed like very Heaven, and a place of unlimited possibility for someone to get self-educated, and function as a classical singer. It worked for a long while, but marriage never eventuated, and the government got nuttier and nuttier. Now I’m soon to be 64 and not well, and gearing up to take another shot at it all, maybe in another place. Starting over is tough, as many of you know, and I’m still sniveling over the post-Polio routine at the moment. I am, however, taking Catechism classes, and it’s making a big difference. I met the teacher when he spoke at a pro-Proposition 8 rally. Being surrounded by lefties (Lynn Woolsey’s congressional district, just imagine) and illegals is making me pretty frustrated, and the Catholics I’m meeting are real grounded.

Ten years ago I was contracting as a computer trainer with the City and County of SF, and the building I taught in had a Political Correctness Commissar in every department.

At $60k, her (in every case) sole responsibility was to stage seminars and take complaints in the interest of promoting victimhood, and advise the offended in the strategies to get taxpayer money through suits. I’m pretty sure this is indicative of the pork in California instituted by the libs, and is definitely the kind of “job growth” promised by the 0bamacrats.

I used to live in Marin, just north of the GG Bridge, a Northern California Eden. As a neighbor once said to me in re the insanity, “What price weather?” It sure has gone down fast, as Victor Davis Hansen has pointed out better than I ever could.

warbaby on February 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Michigan in recession for several years, CA bankrupt, but liberalism still works, doesn’t it?

jgapinoy on February 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Dow dipped below its Nov. low. Apparently, the market is not so enamored with the stimulus.

genso on February 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Unions aren’t content to destroy indisties any more. Time to destroy states.

jgapinoy on February 17, 2009 at 4:01 PM

California’s been going down the drain since the early ’90s.

For that, they can thank their precious “California mindset.”

The GOP has nothing to do with this.

Ryan Gandy on February 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Behold, the sheer awesomeness of liberal policies at work.

ballz2wallz on February 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM

warbaby on February 17, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Come to MN, and then ask your question. But CA must’ve been surreal 20-25 years ago.

IR-MN on February 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Most voters in California really do believe everything the TV tells them and the TV news, along with regular shows and local newspapers, tells them Republicans are pure evil and society’s main goals are things like queer marriage and destroying oil companies (while somehow keeping gas cheap for the BMW).

The average voter here is fanatically, maniacally stupid. This really is true and it’s hard to overstate it. They get their egos boosted by the media who repeatedly assure them that they are superior people because they obey all liberal talking points and cliches.

I’ve lived in California all my life but, at this point, the best thing that could happen to this deluded, brain-dead state is for it to completely, totally collapse and it looks like we’re coming pretty close to doing just that.

Django on February 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger says that he will lay off 10,000 workers starting today and end the few remaining public-works projects still in progress

I am so happy I voted for this guy. It is time to fire government employees. They are overpaid and CA should do without them. The CA government is over bloated and wasteful and needs to cut back at some point. Thanks to republicans for stopping massive tax hikes and thanks to the Governator for doing what has to be done.

Dollayo on February 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Michigan in recession for several years, CA bankrupt, but liberalism still works, doesn’t it?

jgapinoy on February 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM

I don’t think you would call Kansas a liberal state by any stretch of imagination (just like CA is not red even though it has a Republican governor), yet it recently declared inability to return money owed to the state, and will be handing out IOU’s soon. Georgia has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation. So, I would beg to differ with your conclusion. I think it’s not that liberalism or conservatism that causes economic ruin, bad policies do. And there are limitless examples of those on both sides of the aisle.

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM

When an agreement finally happens, you can bet all of those laid-off employees will get back pay. This is a public union’s dream – paid vacation + righteous anger to agitate for more protections.

California is at the tipping point, maybe past it. Do they want to wind up like Michigan, bankrupt and unemployment twice the national rate, or do they want to turn back to a saner method of government?

Kenrod on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Ahnuld should have done this in his first few months in office. He’s been asleep at the wheel. He gets NO bonus points from me.

califcon on February 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Until we wake up as a nation and return to the “if you don’t work, you don’t eat” mentality and drop the “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” we will not significantly change anything. Gov’t charity doesn’t work. All you have to do is look at our large cities to see the generational enslavement sponsored by our govt.

pebbles on February 17, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Been looking to move outta this state for over a year now, but haven’t gotten my act together to do so yet.

If the libs in this state go ahead and increase taxes, including 12 cent hike in gas tax (we already pay more taxes on a gallon of gas than just about every state in the union), raising the sales tax, vehicle registration fees, on and on…

I’M OUTTA HERE IN A MONTH OR LESS!

Enough is enough. Let the libs and illegals have it. I’m done.

RedbonePro on February 17, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Liberal policies at work.
Anyone surprised?

woodswalking1 on February 17, 2009 at 4:47 PM

Come to MN, and then ask your question. But CA must’ve been surreal 20-25 years ago.

IR-MN on February 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Good reversal of the question, and definitely food for thought (despite Al Franken…)I really don’t think I could take the winters, even though it does seem the quality of people might make a huge difference.

I grew up in central Illinois, and really did walk through snowdrifts to school. After the marriage disaster in Texas, three years in Chi in the early ’70s made it real clear to me that I couldn’t take the gray skies any more, or the cold (and that was long before arthritis). And you’re right, SF in the ’70s was wonderful, with real music on every street corner, it seemed. And being the rare straight guy didn’t hurt any, either.

Minnesota, hmmm….I wonder whether a guy could get in on the music coming out of St Olaf’s and Augustana? What are the gun laws like? Being a professional Bass with a gun locker sounds pretty appealing, all right.

warbaby on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

When an agreement finally happens, you can bet all of those laid-off employees will get back pay. This is a public union’s dream – paid vacation + righteous anger to agitate for more protections.

California is at the tipping point, maybe past it. Do they want to wind up like Michigan, bankrupt and unemployment twice the national rate, or do they want to turn back to a saner method of government?

They need to be fired and not hired back. CA will need to go heavy on the unions as well the entire country. If it involves billions for lawsuits then so be it.
Tie them up and shut them down. Drain the cesspool. Unions are there for the union heads. They have brainwashed the workers into thinking they protect them.
There will be plenty of people wanting to work and this is proof positive that the unions and the liberals and the government are the problem.

izoneguy on February 17, 2009 at 4:52 PM

I’d just moved our corp out of state after being in CA for over 15 years.
 
It was so satisfying, when the Tax Board called to ask ‘where’s our money?’ to tell them ‘we are no longer in CA and we moved out of state because CA just is not business friendly.’
 
It was such a disappointed ‘Ohhh’ I heard when I told them that. Oh, I cannot tell you just how satisfying that was!!
 
And for those of you who would like to write to Nancy Pelosi (et al) and brag about how you just moved a bunch of high paying jobs offshore due to her policies, check out http://www.odesk.com where you can hire web designers, data entry, programmers, writers, help desk staffers, and much more (any work that be delivered via the internet or telephone) from India and Russia and pay them by credit card, reducing $70/hour expenses to $19/hour and get very good work with no payroll and no unions. You can even post fixed-cost projects there and get many, many takers.
 
The only thing left now of my corp in CA (and the US for that matter) is the boss’ brain. And I know they will eventually find out a way to tax that brain, especially since they have already figured out how to tax the air that we breathe.
 
Moving everything offshore is a lot easier and a lot more profitable than you would think.

ElRonaldo on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

I live in Ca and I hope they lay off the assh*le at the DMV who STILL can’t manage to get my registration tags to me.

Most government workers here are rude and incompetent.

I hate this state and if I end up getting laid off I will move in a heartbeat. Oddly, my company is doing great.

skree on February 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM

I am waiting for the Governator to chide us again for being unfeeling Conservatives and that the Government must “Give the people the spending and programs they want”.

How is that working out for you?

GunRunner on February 17, 2009 at 4:59 PM

ElRonaldo on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

ElRonaldo: I agree with your point of cheap job rates overseas, however I am not sure why this is specific to CA. Any job done in India or Russia or China will be cheaper than US, as long it is a well-defined manual job which is supervised regularly. It does not have anything to do with conservative or liberal policies: no matter what tax cuts you give, such jobs are bound to be outsourced with clinical precision.

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 4:59 PM

You reap what you sew. Who know, maybe another round of Watts riots will re-invigorate those stupid head cases out there.

I got your sanctuary cities. Compton is one, and your insane welfare and illegal immigrant plan will just give you much more of the same. Face it, you got what you diserve. The sugar tit ran dry.

saiga on February 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM

I see a lot of vitriol against California’s policies in general: however, I would like to remind folks that they were perfectly satisfied enjoying the fruits of those very same policies when the dot com boom bloomed in the Silicon valley. Undoubtedly there have been policy errors in CA, but so have there been in other states, and given its record in intellectual innovation (which is pretty much all that US has to offer in terms of global competitiveness), I would cut them some slack.

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Being a professional Bass with a gun locker sounds pretty appealing, all right.

warbaby on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

Do/did you know a Mark Moliterno by any chance? I think he used to perform with SF opera at one time (bass/bari).

Pianobuff on February 17, 2009 at 5:11 PM

skree on February 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM

Join AAA. You can get your tags from them. I do it every year. I’m in and out of the office with my new tags in 10 or 15 minutes.

Mark1971 on February 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM

Sorry – NO SYMPATHY for them – they brought it upon themselves. Make your bed and sleep in it. Why not let the Hollywood types bail them out? Or the illegal aliens? Or the tree huggers? or the…etc etc etc… Couldn’t Barry just smile down upon them …..

torrejranne on February 17, 2009 at 5:19 PM

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM

And I would remind you, the climate of unabashed hatred toward corporations that exists in California – both with regard to its laws and not – is going to result in their losing what Silicon Valley brought to them.

Ryan Gandy on February 17, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Moving everything offshore is a lot easier and a lot more profitable than you would think.

ElRonaldo on February 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Y’know, there are folks in the Manufacturing Belt who wouldn’t have any issue and have far less regulation.

Of course, I will make this clear:
You are part of the problem and deserve what comes to you for being un-American

sethstorm on February 17, 2009 at 5:25 PM

Newt Gingrich lost that game in 1995 when he played it with Bill Clinton. Republicans had more strength in 1995, too, than they have had in California over the last decade.

But the California Republicans have a (mmmmphthhhhh!) Republican (snort!) Governor! (Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!)

gridlock2 on February 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM

For Heavens Sake…shut the place down. All that would happen is the democrat base that expects money for their votes will be disappointed….life is hard.

JIMV on February 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM

JIMV on February 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM

I don’t think you realize how innovation in the Silicon Valley has resulted in you being able to vent these frustrations on a blog – nope, didn’t think you care much about history. You do sound a lot like the extreme liberals when they wanted to shut down Texas because of Enron.

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 5:34 PM

Minnesota, hmmm….I wonder whether a guy could get in on the music coming out of St Olaf’s and Augustana? What are the gun laws like? Being a professional Bass with a gun locker sounds pretty appealing, all right.

warbaby on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

St. Olaf is in the People’s Socialist Republic of Minnesota. But Augustana is in South Dakota – no state income tax, right to work laws, even legal fireworks.

Wethal on February 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Hey torrejranne,
Some of us have been fighting against this crap for a long time. It’s lonely down here in San Diego with the rest of these Libs in the state. I’ve been wondering if San Diego County can succeed from California, people are getting interested. Down here we vote Republican, we have one of the largest populations of military personnel in the country. No, we don’t deserve this garbage.

Libertah on February 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

We moved from California to Alabama 3 years ago. Our friends all thought we were nuts. During Arnold’s first term, we could see the writing on the wall and got the heck out.

Now we can live on 1 income, live in a nice home with a reasonable mortgage payment and are able to homeschool our daughter without worrying that it will be outlawed tomorrow.

We are no longer beholden to the union and we don’t have to pay big bucks for the union to spend money on political causes that we do not support.

Life is good in south Alabama!

kringeesmom on February 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM

warbaby on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

The St. Olaf Radio station got bought out by MPR; though, the music scene is still good. This is mostly a theatre city, as you might know. Gun laws are good: Pawlenty signed concealed carry a few years back, nothing really besides that. But after being in CA for years, I don’t think you want to experience our January.

ElRonaldo, I use odesk too. Great site; better than elance, though I think elance has better companies. Did you move to NV? Now that’s a pro-business state!

IR-MN on February 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

I’ve lived in CA most of my life and am married to a 3rd generation Californian. We probably won’t move out as long as the jobs hold out.

California government has been broken for about as long as I can remember. It has become worse over the last 20 years. It has been totally dominated by Dems even though we have had Pete Wilson and Arnold for Governor during that period of time. The Federal judges in the 9th District are also out of their minds, and get overturned by the US Supreme Court frequently. It is enough to drive you crazy.

Snidely Whiplash on February 17, 2009 at 5:43 PM

But the California Republicans have a (mmmmphthhhhh!) Republican (snort!) Governor! (Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!)

Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected because he’s ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER!!! Had he not ran, California might have been stuck with Arnold Jackson.

eaglescout1998 on February 17, 2009 at 5:45 PM

Unions aren’t content to destroy industries any more. Time to destroy states.

This was true the moment the people let the Unions get into Government. The larger the Government, the bigger the Union and Union vote. Like any positive feedback mechanism it will finally oscillate out of control till it collapses. USSR is a great example

GunRunner on February 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I don’t think this is good news for the GOP in CA, after all the Governor has a (R) after his name, it should be: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (RINO-CA).

Falz on February 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

What the Goobernator has done for California, the Bamboozleator will do for all of America!!!

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on February 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM

I’m a life-long Californian, but I’ll tell you that the GOP is making the exact right move in the legislature. They should not cave on taxes. Let the state burn government burn down. The taxes are already some of the highest in the nation and they want to drive them higher??? These nanny state Democrats want to continue all the big-spending programs during a complete economic meltdown. Screw them! In my opinion, they could lay-off everybody working for the state and things would simply get BETTER.

PersonalLiberty on February 17, 2009 at 5:48 PM

It makes me sick when I hear news clips of some donk twat begging the republicans to raise taxes. No! Stop spending, you whores! We already high taxes with nothing to show for it.

Blake on February 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM

“You are part of the problem and deserve what comes to you for being un-American”

Well, you could always build a wall to keep us in.

GunRunner on February 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

C’mon, folks, California is not the only place with corrupt politicians, out of touch voters, and fiscal mismanagement. Ever live in the greater Boston metro area (where I found out that no fewer than three other families were kept on the voter registration rolls at my address)? DC-metro? Vermont (home of the socialist senator)? Chicago (home of Obama). Need I point out that Chicago, not LA, was the place where a bunch of politically-correct folks banned foie gras, for pete’s sake? (Fortunately, they’ve seen the error of their ways.)

Heck, I just left a small city in central Indiana. Those supposedly salt of the earth people are cheering for Obama and have their hands out as much as anyone else in this country (not surprising with the ag subsidies mindset, I guess). They let out of state Dem operatives tilt their votes for our new POTUS POS.

Frankly, the only place I’ve lived that did not have its head firmly up its fanny politically was Houston, but even that had its problems (out of fondness for Texas I won’t elaborate on what those were).

Obviously the illegal alien problem is killing us out here (and spending is out of control), but I don’t understand why people think it’s good for the country if California fails and sensible people abandon it. How has abandoning the big cities, leaving most of them in the hands of the liberals, worked out for us conservatives? Any chance that affected this year’s election?

California is the 7th or 8th largest economy in the world and the gateway to the Pacific Rim — I really don’t think it helps anyone if it fails.

Y-not on February 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Falz on February 17, 2009 at 5:46 PM

He has no power to hike or annul taxes. That’s up to the CA legislature.

Ryan Gandy on February 17, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Will the last one out of California please turn off the lights.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on February 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Kansas is run by liberals. Kansas also has a personal property tax.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 6:04 PM

It’s after the rains here in SoCal.

It’s beautiful and clean after the storm. The irony is that this left-wing-driven bankruptcy of the state forced the Dems to cap spending finally and then Arnie is going to layoff 20,000 workers and forlough 200,000 more–our state government is starting to shrink.

Apologetic California on February 17, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Will the last one out of California please turn off the lights.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on February 17, 2009 at 6:03 PM

Decir correctamente. Encienda las luces.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 6:06 PM

“Frankly, the only place I’ve lived that did not have its head firmly up its fanny politically was Houston, but even that had its problems (out of fondness for Texas I won’t elaborate on what those were).”

We are a sanctuarary city. That is becoming a monstrous problem.

DanMan on February 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Thank goodness that the California republicans have got some stones. That is more than I can say for the three rinos in the U.S. senate.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 6:11 PM

We are a sanctuarary city. That is becoming a monstrous problem.

DanMan on February 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM

Tenemos que hablar español.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM

Pianobuff on February 17, 2009 at 5:11 PM

Sorry I can’t remember Mark Moliterno, though I might recognize the face. I never quite got any work with the SF Opera Chorus, and scuffled around singing telegrams and soloing in churches until I started up with computers and finally could afford a coach. After that it was mostly Bach, plus bluegrass guitar and old jazz.

Wethal on February 17, 2009 at 5:35 PM

IR-MN on February 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Thanks for the responses, everybody.

warbaby on February 17, 2009 at 6:20 PM

If ever there was a case that the policies of the Left don’t work, it’s here. You’d think Congress would have looked at the policies of California and taken the results to heart.

INC on February 17, 2009 at 6:22 PM

One of the local radio talkers here in Sacramento, Eric Hogue, is pushing for a porn tax instead of the car tax. I could go for that since I don’t do porn.

goat on February 17, 2009 at 6:25 PM

INC on February 17, 2009 at 6:22 PM

The funny thing is some of the strongest fiscal conservatives in the House are from Ca. along with the looniest liberals.

goat on February 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM

You let in millions of mooching illegal aliens and you don’t expect a fiscal disaster?

And you vote to stop it, with Prop 187… back in 1994 already… but then your state Supreme Court over-rules the will of the people… and you DO NOT impeach and remove the weasels and reverse their decision, but passively accept it?

This is as predictable as: California will have another earthquake.

The bought their tolerant, non-”bigoted”, multiculti, p.c. Procrustes Bed, and now they have to lie in it.

Suckers.

profitsbeard on February 17, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Very interesting tid-bit (to some anyway)
Look at fourth name down

MB4 on February 17, 2009 at 6:25 PM

So, he’s on the board of directors. In my book, Gen. Franks deserves whatever compensation he gets. Love the guy!

califcon on February 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM

Gee, thanks for the advice, surrender to Democrats. The constitutional limitations on spending and tax increases are the only thing that kept staving off the collapse. Without these restrictions, spending by the state legislature would be 10x what it is now. Taxes would be even higher. Thanks for the advice, but the Republicans have nothing to loose by playing hardball. Just because Newt lost his nerve does not mean that the California Republicans do. Newt failed because he surrendered. If he had held his ground, we would not be in this mess either nationally or in California.

federale86 on February 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM

goat on February 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM

I didn’t know that, but I believe it. My dad has cousins in CA, one is deceased but I knew some were Republican voters. Years ago we knew some folks from CA who talked about how conservative the central valley area was.

The House draws from those pockets of conservatives across the states. The Senate has more politicians who talk out of both sides of their mouths and always muddies the waters unless the state tends to be more conservative as a whole.

INC on February 17, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Libertah on February 17, 2009 at 5:39 PM

You have restored my faith… thank you. It is hard to be heard these days. Air Forces family myself. Thanks for the post.

torrejranne on February 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM

“Nationalisation (socialism), long regarded in Washington as a folly of Europeans, is gaining rapid ground among US opinion-formers. Stranger still, many of those talking about federal ownership of banks are Republicans. Drudge.

Heart break.

getalife on February 17, 2009 at 6:40 PM

I see a lot of vitriol against California’s policies in general: however, I would like to remind folks that they were perfectly satisfied enjoying the fruits of those very same policies when the dot com boom bloomed in the Silicon valley. Undoubtedly there have been policy errors in CA, but so have there been in other states, and given its record in intellectual innovation (which is pretty much all that US has to offer in terms of global competitiveness), I would cut them some slack.

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Tech innovation is in no way whatsoever the “fruit” of California’s punitive, anti-business environmental and tax policies. Intel (just one example) has stated they will never manufacture in California again because of its anti-business environment. That is why California and the US in general have only intellectual property “to offer in terms of global competitiveness.”

The US had world-beating manufacturing for many years until the do-gooders convinced everyone that it should be, not just cleaned up, but driven out of the country by environmental regulations.

And as far as the rubes in other states enjoying the laptops that California made possible, no one seems to remember that the post-WWII defense industry and its infrastructure are what made that tech boom possible. The brainpower followed the industry here when California was friendly to business and manufacturing. It was emphatically not the other way around with industry saying “Ooh, look at the big brains on Californians. We better move there so they can show us how to build jets.”

Django on February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM

INC on February 17, 2009 at 6:36 PM

Yes the central valley is very conservative and well pretty much all of eastern Ca. is with a couple exceptions down south. My congressman, Wally Herger, is great. Most of our conservative House members came out of the legislature here and are used to battling the liberals from a minority position. All the loony tune liberals come from the Bay area and LA, Pelosi’s district is San Francisco so is Waxman’s so that should tell you something.

goat on February 17, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Django on February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Exactly.

Everybody who has any ‘brainpower’ in Taxifornia is getting the hell out.

Businesses are leaving in droves. If the state passes more taxes and fees, its over johnny.

RedbonePro on February 17, 2009 at 6:47 PM

profitsbeard

We voted for prop 187 overwhelmingly. Opponents hand picked a federal 9th. judge—-not our supreme court—who then ruled against 187. Grey Davis refused to appeal the ruling as governer and left the rest of us to suffer. The producers in this state now are stuck w/a mess on so many fronts.

arnold ziffel on February 17, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Let the backlash begin. Liberalism has never worked and you see the pendulum swinging everywhere…Canada, France, Poland, Australia and now California. Liberals bankrupt everything they touch. Enough is enough. Obama is rock bottom. His election has awakened a sleeping giant…Americans with brains who have let the brainwahed lemmings send us into a spirl of destruction where there is no other choice, but to fight back. If we don’t, its obvious now that Obama and his goons will destroy this nation and everything it stands for.

volsense on February 17, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Shut the whole frickin’ thing down!

Stop the Socialist State before it engulfs us all!

Stepan on February 17, 2009 at 6:50 PM

goat on February 17, 2009 at 6:46 PM

I knew about San Fran Nan, but not about Waxman. No wonder he’s in Congress.

INC on February 17, 2009 at 6:52 PM

To clarify, it’s been hard to believe anyone would elect Waxman (as is the case of Pelosi), but if he’s from the San Francisco area, no wonder he managed to get into Congress.

INC on February 17, 2009 at 6:55 PM

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Kansas is run by liberals. Kansas also has a personal property tax.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 6:04 PM

I work as a state employee in Kansas. We were informed today that we may not be getting paid on Friday as money has to be moved around and Congress isn’t sure of the legality of the whole thing. I don’t know if we are far behind CA…

Dr. Conservative on February 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Pathetic. But get over it, just add this to the future debt our children and grandchildren will be destroyed by. What time does the revolution start?

FalseProfit on February 17, 2009 at 6:59 PM

So, what we need to do is to pick one state where all people of a conservative persuasion can move. Create an extremely high red-to-blue ratio … and then show the rest of the country how it’s done!

HiredGun on February 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM

If the state passes more taxes and fees, its over johnny.

RedbonePro on February 17, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Me and my brother were just talking about that. California is sort of like Paris Hilton only the family fortune is gone. It’s like the state and its voters think we can just spend money with no limits -forever – because, hey, we’re just naturally rich and fabulous! No. We’re broke and biting the hands that fed us with our f—ed up policies and elected officials.

Django on February 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Django on February 17, 2009 at 7:00 PM

I’d say more like Michael Jackson and his fantasy land than Paris Hilton. She is actually quite a savvy business woman and made a lot of her fortune on her own.

goat on February 17, 2009 at 7:17 PM

Django on February 17, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Well, you forget one important fact: the trifecta of Caltech, Stanford and Berkeley were huge beneficiaries of the CA’s policies, and there is no way you can deny the intellectual innovations taking place in their campuses which made the semiconductor industry possible. Please read up some of the history of CA’s innovation before resorting to slander. In my mind, there were bad fiscal policy decisions, but to assign that to a political ideology is being stupid.

volsense on February 17, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Please point me to a culture which was purely conservative and remained hugely successful for centuries. I firmly believe no political ideology is a perfect recipe’ for the future, it is only with a mutual give-and-take between ideologies can we arrive at a rational and acceptable middle ground.

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Wouldn’t it be fun to see Cali’s situation on a national scale? Oh wait, we already are.

Bishop on February 17, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Fearless leader’s smile is looking a little forced these days. Do you suppose it’s gradually dawning on him that he hasn’t got a clue?

jeanie on February 17, 2009 at 7:21 PM

She is actually quite a savvy business woman and made a lot of her fortune on her own.

Paris is famous because she’s famous, as is California.

Beirut used to be beautiful too, until the ding-dongs destroyed everything.

Calirut, or Beifornia, your choice.

Bishop on February 17, 2009 at 7:22 PM

And another thing….:-)

The Republican Party totally abandoned California years ago. They just walked away. It’s very unwise (not to mention a show of weak character IMO) to just turn your back on a state the size of California.

But then look at the brainiacs that make up the Republican Party’s “intelligentsia” – Peggy Noonan? Frum? Douthat? David Brooks? Jeb “Can’t Lead A Mob” Bush?

Their loyalty is to the beltway Ivy League clubs, think tanks, and cocktail party networking that put food on their table and pay for their houses in the Hamptons – not the unwashed mob of conservative rubes in icky places like Fresno and Phoenix and Des Moines – and Wasilla – who actually vote Republican.

Django on February 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM

ElRonaldo, I use odesk too. Great site; better than elance, though I think elance has better companies. Did you move to NV? Now that’s a pro-business state!

IR-MN on February 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Well, those are places that want to be part of the problem, not the solution for our nation.

That is how they’re un-American.

Well, you could always build a wall to keep us in.

GunRunner on February 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM

Or kill off offshoring on the large scale.

sethstorm on February 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Please point me to a culture which was purely conservative and remained hugely successful for centuries. I firmly believe no political ideology is a perfect recipe’ for the future, it is only with a mutual give-and-take between ideologies can we arrive at a rational and acceptable middle ground.

peter_griffin on February 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM

ever hear of the United States, before 1930???

nothing worse than moderates…neither hot nor cold…

there is no ‘middle ground’ please.

right4life on February 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM

I hope these states collapse…let em sink. socialism is a failure, and its what this country has been doing for decades…sow the wind, reap the whirlwind…

detroit, coming to a state and country near you…

right4life on February 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Behold, the sheer awesomeness of liberal policies at work.
ballz2wallz on February 17, 2009 at 4:16 PM

……..”hear, hear!”

try again later on February 17, 2009 at 7:29 PM

INC on February 17, 2009 at 6:55 PM

My bad Waxman and Maxine “nationalize it” Waters are from the LA area.

goat on February 17, 2009 at 7:31 PM

goat, same difference, I suppose.

INC on February 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM

After 20 years I left Calif in 2001, moved to Florida….

I remember voting in elections and never getting any right; People, Measures, Bonds, Props, etc.

I just wasn’t California Material… (8 years later, I sure am glad they drove me out)

They did it to themselves, I saw it coming… I left…

Good Luck Cal,

DF1

DFrosty1 on February 17, 2009 at 7:37 PM

I asked the California Controller this question: If the proposed budget passed, would California still experience significant deficits over the next several years? The bottom line: Yes. Apparently, even with significant tax hikes the proposed budget relied on borrowing to cover approximately 30% of the roughly $40,000,000,000 shortfall in the $105,000,000,000 budget. This borrowing proves to be a major concern to the Controller. California’s bond rating has been reduced – again – in response to rising debt, rising deficits, and no end in sight. The number 2 line item in California’s budget happens to be debt service, which is getting more expensive with each rating downgrade. Even if the proposed budget had passed, to even get close to a balanced budget California would still need to borrow money and raise taxes each year, for at least the next 2 to 3 years.

Wow! Maybe it’s time to scale back government spending?

California’s political leaders have been complaining – since at least 2003 – about how budget shortfalls are not the result of the California’s legislators failing to balance the budget. Not even when California’s legislature did not balance the budget during the housing-boom-years of record tax revenue. The real culprit? Washington, D.C. That’s right. It’s the Feds. Why? Apparently California only gets about 79% of the federal tax dollars paid by Californians back from the Feds. “We’re not getting our fair share of Federal funds” I’ve heard this first hand during conversations with State Assembly, State Senate, State “Constitutional” Offices, L.A. Mayor’s office…to name a few.

Due to governance-by-ballot-measure there are structural problems with the California budget. California has not taken the action necessary to match spending with tax revenue – even with some of the highest tax rates in the nation. What’s lacking is any sense of responsibility for balancing the budget, magnified by a lack of leadership by California’s Democrat-dominated political class. Instead, Californians get “lock downs” of the Capitol until the current “broken” budget gets passed – raising taxes and borrowing money while not fixing the real problems.
The results? Watch for the sequel next year…and the next…and the next. Sacramento seems content to have continued, massive deficits in California’s future with no end in sight. What out America! California wants YOU …to pay for their continued spending spree….

Perfesser on February 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Please point me to a culture which was purely conservative and remained hugely successful for centuries.

Uh…Rome? Of course, the out for you was built in to your question, being the definition of “purely conservative”.

And Rome stood for centuries, right up to the point when the fags and sexual deviants took over. Sound familiar?

BobMbx on February 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM

Some weeks ago I suggested a possible cure for CA’s ills. I’ll suggest it again. Turn the whole southern area into a giant theme park. Call it something like “Welcome to the Third World- Experience poverty, unemployment and welfare living first hand. No passport needed but shots recommended. You Are There!” Use it to remind people of what can happen when liberal policies run amok. Harry can even keep his train to shuttle people back and forth. and..it would provide employment while at the same time keeping millions in their overly mortgaged homes.

jeanie on February 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Stop wasting tax dollars on Illegal Aliens and their Bingo Babies and the problems will be solved. Funding the Illegals is taking the State of California into the Abyss.

RealDemocrat on February 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Waxman’s district includes Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Malibu, Pacific Palisades, West LA, West Hollywood, and parts of the west San Fernando Valley.

Maxine’s got a large swath of the ‘hood and a couple of whitebread communities over by the beach.

They are both despicable and I don’t know how they keep getting elected.

califcon on February 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM

“Watch out America! California wants YOU …to pay for their continued spending spree….”

Hell NO we won’t pay – CA go screw yourself.

izoneguy on February 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM

And Rome stood for centuries, right up to the point when the fags and sexual deviants took over. Sound familiar?
BobMbx on February 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM

HEY! Barney Frank isn’t from California.

Bishop on February 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM

I hope these states collapse…let em sink. socialism is a failure, and its what this country has been doing for decades…sow the wind, reap the whirlwind…

right4life on February 17, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Well, that’s what the South is getting for collapsing the North and West.

If they want offshore, it makes it even worse.

sethstorm on February 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM

I am in South CA, Los Angeles area and it is a nuthouse.

The smog authority cannot issue any more permits which change emissions as they just lost a lawsuit from environmentalists. No new business requiring a permit unless you buy the permit from someone who has one. Want to innovate to emit less? Can’t do it. Want to expand. Can’t do it. A permit for a body shop size operation is reckoned to cost $500K i you can find one. Stimulus or no, about nothing requiring air permits is going to happen here until the court approves the AQMD’s calculation method. 9-12 months. heh.

The only way to change it is to break it wide open as the Reps are doing…or nothing will change and the mess will deepen. Once in a while you just have to die on your feet instead of living on your knees.

Soon as I can, I am out of here. Born here 58 years ago.

Harry Schell on February 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM

They are both despicable and I don’t know how they keep getting elected.

califcon on February 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM

because democRAT voters would vote for Hitler as long as he had a D after his name…

in other words, they’re idiots..

right4life on February 17, 2009 at 7:43 PM

The Liberal Democratic Lunatic Fringe politicians AND the Republican governor Arnold, have doubled the size of Government (budget) in the past ten years, AND THEY STILL WANT MORE MONEY??????

RealDemocrat on February 17, 2009 at 7:45 PM

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