The real betrayal of Specter, Collins, and Snowe

posted at 11:15 am on February 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I have one last thought on the Porkulus events from last week.  This weekend, Mitch and I took a lot of calls on the passage of Porkulus, with many demanding some retribution for Senators Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins.  Usually, both Mitch and I advise against revenge on defector votes.  We both agree that a big-tent party has to have room for some disagreement, and the only way to get to a majority again in Congress is to build a large enough coalition to take charge.  Purity drives lower our numbers and our ability to influence policy.

This, however, is a different matter.  First, the Republicans need to re-establish credibility as the party of fiscal responsibility, and supporting Porkulus is antithetical to that effort.  No matter how big a tent the Republicans need to pitch, they still need to stand for core values — and among them should be fiscal responsibility and smaller government for greater individual liberty.  Porkulus fails on both counts, which is why the House GOP maintained a solid wall of opposition to it.  Specter, Snowe, and Collins apparently don’t share those values.

But in this case, the betrayal goes beyond core values.  Despite Barack Obama’s demagoguery earlier in the week, many Republicans wanted a big stimulus package to come out of Congress as quickly as possible.  Given the chance, Republican partnership would have produced a bill with less long-term spending, more short-term spending, better tax cuts, and a huge reduction in the health-care bureaucracy that comprised almost half of Porkulus. Such a bill would have easily received a hundred Republican votes or more in the House and may have passed on acclamation in the Senate, and it would have sent a message of unity in a time of economic crisis.

In order to get that, Republicans had to shut down Porkulus.  It would have forced Democrats to negotiate with Republicans and get the better bill to Obama’s desk.  All we needed was Republicans to stand firm in the service of their fellow Republicans and to defy Nancy Pelosi’s triumphalism.  The House did its job, as did most of the Republicans in the Senate, even while saying that they would support a real stimulus package.  Instead, Specter, Collins, and Snowe essentially stabbed their colleagues in the back — while Specter whined about the lack of debate on the bill, after he voted for cloture and an end to debate.

That was the real betrayal.

What can the Republicans do to the Porkulus 3?  Not much, really.  The GOP needs them to offer an illusory chance at filibustering legislation, although their failure to filibuster something as bad as Porkulus more or less exposes that as an empty threat.  Republicans need to find credible primary opponents for these three, even if it means losing the seats, because after Porkulus it appears they’re already lost.

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Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:18 PM

Stealing is stealing, no matter how you paint it.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM

CNN has Obama’s approval rating at 76%. That’s Reaganesque. Perhaps it would be wise for us Republicans to work with the Democrats, and our President.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM

CNN has Obama’s approval rating at 76%. That’s Reaganesque. Perhaps it would be wise for us Republicans to work with the Democrats, and our President.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM

So you are O.K. with communism and socialism?

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM

Perhaps it would be wise for us Republicans to work with the Democrats, and our President.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Dude. I’d rather see the GOP go six feet under than work with that socialist bastard. Sure, I want America to do well, regardless of the president, but I don’t want the supposed representatives of capitalism to support the crappy policies of a crappy politician.

Achilles on February 16, 2009 at 10:29 PM

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Couldn’t agree more. Great. I say, “You shouldn’t cast out members of the party who disagree with you on certain issues because that prevents you from achieving ANY aspect of your agenda. Further, your obstinacy allows total one-party rule, and regardless of who is in charge, the absence of a powerful opposition leads to corruption, overreach, and a very real threat to our American ideals.”

You respond with, “Stealing is stealing.”

Fantastic.

Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:31 PM

Atlanta Voter:

Even if we, for some inane reason, wanted to help Obama wreck the economy and build leftist patronage, he’s already shown pretty conclusively that he doesn’t want our help.

In other words, we got SHUT OUT of the debate, telling us to play nice after that is just adding insult to injury.

We’ll survive this, and we’ll spend 20-30 years fixing the damage the Democrats have done in just a month. And then they’ll do it again, and we’ll fix it again.

Until someone cures the inability to cope with reality, that’s just the way things are.

Merovign on February 16, 2009 at 10:32 PM

I will NOT VOTE for any republican AGAIN..
WHY should i their the same as the democraps..

jcila on February 16, 2009 at 2:36 PM

You know I really get a laugh out of you people that make statements like that. Either you are a dem/lib posing as a repub/con and are trying to fool people, or you don’t have enough brain cells to make a decision by yourself and need someone else to do your thinking for you. I’ll also bet you are waiting with your hand out for that stimulus check.

belad on February 16, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Believing CNN polling is proof positive you are NOT a Republican. Wanting us to work with Obama-Pelosi-Reid is further proof you are NOT a Republican. Finding Obama compelling means without a doubt that you are nothing but a Moby astroturfer.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 10:37 PM

Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:31 PM

So you are O.K. with stealing?

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM

All three of these tools claimed that they had to work with the Dems because the Republicans had failed to put forth an alternative. Way to go…stab your base in the back while parroting the lefty media.

guntotinglibertarian on February 16, 2009 at 10:40 PM

So you are O.K. with communism and socialism?

Definitely not. I believe in free-market capitalism. I’m a loyal Republican. I just think the Country’s going to rally around the President in the end. I think President Obama has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

AAAAHHHHH! Its a Moby troll invasion, Open Fire!

goat on February 16, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

I do not think that Reagan was the least bit socialist.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Definitely not. I believe in free-market capitalism. I’m a loyal Republican. I just think the Country’s going to rally around the President in the end. I think President Obama has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

WTF? They are polar opposites!

Obama says only government can get us out of this mess.

Reagan said government was not the solution, but the problem.

Show me ONE similarity.

BPD on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

http://vdare.com/collins/090215_obama.htm

RealDemocrat on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

So you are O.K. with stealing?

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Yes. I think Republicans should not kick Specter, Collins, and Snowe out of the caucus because I am pro-stealing.

Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Nah not 20-30 years with all due respect Merovign, we have no such luxury, it will be sooner than later. We still have our alienable rights, short lived but still valid.

I don’t have the answers but the ideas. Play with it, we still have the vehicle but the unplayable party as it is perceived as the rich party. Let’s work it. Turn it around as the taxpayer party, the non-union / NON – WELFARE / non whining get your ass out there party. You know the guys that pay their taxes and employ people party. Maybe Steele is not it, but we have to work with it. Guide him. The entrepreneurial spirit of this Country is not dead. I LIVE IT EVERY DAY. And love it. It gave me everything I have and I am not about to let my America die on my watch.

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I think President Obama has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Dumbest. Post. Evah.

fossten on February 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Obama has about as much in common with Reagan as I do with Jimmy Carter which is nothing. Obama is a lazy moron, with all due respects to my fellow AoSHQ morons here. You are nothing but a liberal Moby astroturfer.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM

because I am pro-stealing.

Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Communist and socialist usually are.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM

Sarah Palin was just on Greta’s show. Greta asked Sarah what she thought about the Stimulus bill. Gov. Palin said that since members of Congress didn’t time to read the bill before the vote, she thought Obama should veto it and tell Congress to get it right.

Allah: In the words of the immortal Ric Flair, “You may not like her but learn to love her because she’s the best thing going. Woooo.”

Now, get find that tape or Michelle will have you doing dishes for a month and washing all the family’s cars in the cold.

bw222 on February 16, 2009 at 10:47 PM

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Welcome to Hot Air!

goat on February 16, 2009 at 10:48 PM

Yes, Korean War Vet Arlen Specter is a Communist. OK Johan.

Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Nah, just a sell out pol

goat on February 16, 2009 at 10:52 PM

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Well said.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Proud Rino on February 16, 2009 at 10:50 PM

You said that you were for stealing.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:54 PM

BPD: “This is a false choice, really…. you are assuming that lowering taxes causes a decrease in tax revenue, and an increase in taxes would cause an increase in tax revenue. This is the classic liberal fallacy, and a viewpoint constantly pushed by the media.”

Actually it’s the result of Mankiw:
http://www.nber.org/digest/jul05/w11000.html
and Romer and Romer
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1024965

And mostly I’m chaneling a bit of Arnold I heard talking to the CA Senate and House saying either cut something or raise taxes.

“Look at the 2003 Bush tax cuts. The cuts did NOT result in a reduction of tax revenue. Rather, tax revenue increased significant. According to the CBO, individual income taxes netted 794 billion dollars in 2003. 4 years laters, individual income taxes netted 1044 billion dollars…. an increase of 31% over 4 years. In its proper context of percentage of GDP, tax revenue increased from 7.3% of GDP to 8% of GDP, meaning tax revenue growth exceeded the growth of the economy at large.”

Yes but if you look at the 2001 cuts, you can see revenues decrease for two years thereafter. It then becomes a matter of whether the incentive and efficiency effects “catch up” and overwhelm the initial lost revenue. Mankiw says the best case is about 50 cents on the dollar with balanced cuts in spending and capital gains taxes.

In the real world the debt has increased $5Tr over the last eight years during which time growth was mostly positive, so I’m betting that we are still, in some sense “behind”.

So I think what I am suggesting as a credible fiscal responsibility position is to identify the level of government services and appropriate funding levels (with some play for the business cycle and productivity growth) and try to get there – cutting taxes and expenditures lockstep – rather than only cutting taxes.

Robert Bell on February 16, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Definitely not. I believe in free-market capitalism. I’m a loyal Republican. I just think the Country’s going to rally around the President in the end. I think President Obama has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Now THAT’S comedy. I guess “loyal” is the new “concerned.”

I think the “in common with Reagan” part is where you lost the last of the gullible, however. You have to know when to quit.

Merovign on February 16, 2009 at 10:57 PM

I believe in free-market capitalism. I’m a loyal Republican. I just think the Country’s going to rally around the President in the end. I think President Obama has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

The federal government’s spending on public education has grown exponentially over the last 50 years. The results are inversely proportional.

Socialists have built a great foundation.

Saltysam on February 16, 2009 at 11:03 PM

Merovign on February 16, 2009 at 10:57 PM

Sounds like you migrated from AoSHQ, yeah Mobys are so easy to spot these days its comical.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Hey everyone, take it easy on Senators Collins, Snowe and Spector. I believe the best way to rebuild the Republican Party is to reach out to moderates and Independents, and to work with President Obama. This is our best hope for recapturing the Whitehouse in 2012 (or 2020 if Hilary serves two terms).

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Robert Bell on February 16, 2009 at 10:56 PM

Essentially, you and I are on the same page. Spending is out of control. If you’re point is that DC needs to get its act together and be faithful and conservative stewards of taxpayer money, then we are in agreement. Raising taxes, however, will slow down economic growth, so I suggest that spending be brought under control. Unfortunately, Obama is ideologically wrong for the task.

BPD on February 16, 2009 at 11:09 PM

Hey everyone, take it easy on Senators Collins, Snowe and Spector. I believe the best way to rebuild the Republican Party is to reach out to moderates and Independents, and to work with President Obama. This is our best hope for recapturing the Whitehouse in 2012 (or 2020 if Hilary serves two terms).

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Mccain/Specter 2012!

BPD on February 16, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM

MOBY 1 squeaks again.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:12 PM

Moby 1 is obviously not very good at math either, most liberals aren’t.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Moby 1 is obviously not very good at math either, most liberals aren’t.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Clearly he is expecting Obama to forgo his second term to run for president of the world.

BPD on February 16, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Okay, now you’re not even reading the responses. That’s even more insulting.

Repetition is only effective if it works the first time.

Merovign on February 16, 2009 at 11:17 PM

The Obama-Pelosi-Reid trio have no desire to work with us so why in the hell should we reach out and try to work with them. Their idea of bipartisanship is the GOP rolling over and playing dead.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:18 PM

Welcome to Hot Air!

goat on February 16, 2009 at 10:48 PM

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Well said.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Goat, I am an avid reader of your comments (kudos!!) and thanks for your note Mr. Klaus.

Happy to be here after many sleepless nights. It’s been a twilight zone kind of experience. I hope to offer the Southern View, one filled with real hope (I planted my starter garden indoors and rocked my outdoor beds) and my long term hope (for my children and future grandchildren) through my individualistic momentum to payback my Country for all that it has given me. I now raise Angus for breeding and am paying back in every way I know how. I think maybe I am the typical (gasp) Republican. Opportunity. Reward for hard work and diligence. I have no doubt you have taught your children well. I plan on spreading the word.

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM

MOBY 1 squeaks again.
goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:12 PM

I’m a Ronald Reagan Conservative Republican.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Mccain/Specter 2012!

Winner of the thread.

radiofreevillage on February 16, 2009 at 11:23 PM

I’m a Ronald Reagan Conservative Republican.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM

*Yawn*

Saltysam on February 16, 2009 at 11:26 PM

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Aw gee, thanks! You are definately a welcome addition to our community.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:32 PM

I’m a Ronald Reagan Conservative Republican.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Sure you are.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 11:33 PM

I’m a Ronald Reagan Conservative Republican.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Yeah right, hahahahahahaha. Its fun how Mobys seem to have a very definitive squeak to them when they are squeezed. Geez, we can smell you guys a mile away, get over it. Admit you are an Obama but sniffer and have at it but don’t try and claim something you are NOT.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:39 PM

It’s all built on a common thread. Family. Values. Morality, Love and respect. Responsibility and self respect and integrity. All things lacking now but ones we have to rebuild and resonate. Not with discord, but with outreach.

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 PM

Definitely not. I believe in free-market capitalism. I’m a loyal Republican. I just think the Country’s going to rally around the President in the end. I think President Obama has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

Man, you owe me a keyboard.

Let me see if I can play your game

Definitely not. I believe in free-market capitalism world socialism. I’m a loyal RepublicanLiberal Democrat. I just think the Country’s going to rally around the President Sarah Palin in the end. I think President Obama Governor Palin has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan Franklin Roosevelt.

There, did I play the game correctly?? I claim to be a devoted follower of the other side, and then make absurd statements based on the supposed authority I created with my claim.. Gimme a cookie…
Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

bullseye on February 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM

I’m a Ronald Reagan Conservative Republican.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM

no, troll, you’re a ridiculously stupid liar who doesn’t have the brains to fool anyone here.

Janos Hunyadi on February 16, 2009 at 11:44 PM

It’s called foundation. Made of Brick, Stone, Mortar. Not plastic and rhetoric. God save the Nation por favor el Dia Mia.

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 11:45 PM

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 11:45 PM

The conservatives here agree with you 100% on your last two posts we’re just to busy trashing a scam troll Moby. We have to have some fun and trashing Moby trolls is prime time.

goat on February 16, 2009 at 11:50 PM

I now raise Angus for breeding and am paying back in every way I know how.

seesalrun on February 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM

Tough business. Beefmaster here.

Johan Klaus on February 16, 2009 at 11:50 PM

Generally I don’t believe that all members of a party have to walk in lock step. However, by them voting against their party wishes, they took away any chance of debate. Any chance for people to see what was in the bill. Then maybe that was the whole idea. I wonder what they got by their betrayal.

Loner 1954 on February 16, 2009 at 11:57 PM

“Free market economic policies almost invariably lead to prosperity while socialistic policies will give at best a drab and mediocre economy and at worst Cuba, Zimbabwe, etc.”

This is ridiculous. Out of the countries that rank higher than the U.S (#16) on the Human Development Index, almost all of their government policies are more socialist than those of the U.S. Sweden (at #7) is the classic example. But even Iceland (#1 obviously before the current financial crisis) has a bigger social safety net than the U.S (free health care, free education, etc…).

Conservatives always throw this “socialism creates inefficient and lazy people” garbage around. It is simply not backed up by fact at all. The U.S. has many socialist policies (we subsidize our farming industry, we subsidize the elderly, the sick, etc…) yet we are still 1st in GDP in the world and I would love to hear you argue that U.S. farmers are “lazy.” China, which is a communist state is 4th in GDP and is set to surpass us in the coming decades as they modernize. When they do we’ll be left with a situation where a communist state has a higher economic output than a capitalist one. This of course shatters your non-argument into a billion pieces: “socialistic” policies at best give you the highest standard of living and the most competitive economy in the world, both of which are the opposite of “mediocre.”

booyah on February 16, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Sarah Palin naked? HOT

booyah on February 17, 2009 at 12:02 AM

To plagierize Rahm Emanuel, the turncoats Spector, Collins and Snowe are dead dead dead dead dead dead dead dead to me!

By the way, CNN’s poll was probably conducted by CNN whom mostly liberals watch so is it really a surprise that 76% approve?

CrusaderPatriot on February 17, 2009 at 12:03 AM

Nothing tough about it Johan. We raise for breeding. Sell off the bulls, and propagate heifers. Simple science. Not too tough.

seesalrun on February 17, 2009 at 12:05 AM

The key is working with what you have and making it work. I want to hear your argument. And I eat much what I raise. Can you say the same? I wonder. As I sweat you buy.

seesalrun on February 17, 2009 at 12:07 AM

Proud RINO is an oxymoron. Just go ahead and call yourself a liberal.

RobertJ78704 on February 17, 2009 at 12:13 AM

Ed has it pegged. It is not like there would not have been a stimulus bill. If Specter, Snowe, and Collins has stood with their party, they would have forced the Democrats to come back with a much more bipartisan bill.

And a moderately bipartisan bill would have drawn plenty (for Obama’s purposes) of Republican support. My guess is 30-80 in the House, and at least 10 in the Senate.

Further, Obama was on the ropes and about to have a significant defeat, and the 3 RINO’s could have helped bring Obama down a little bit, which would help fend off further liberal ramrodding, while at the same time forcing a better bill.

It sounds like a double-win to me, but the 3 traitors either couldn’t figure that out, are addicted to “crossing the isle”, or were promised something in the bill or later on and thus had other motives.

I was interested to read Dick Morris write that in 1993, Clinton was not able to pick off a few GOP Senators like this. And Clinton’s popularity dropped, and then the healthcare failure, and Republicans swept into power in 1994.

These 3 Bendedict Arnolds have short-circuited handing Obama the humiliating delay and popularity hit that he deserved.

willamettevalley on February 17, 2009 at 12:34 AM

The key is working with what you have and making it work. I want to hear your argument. And I eat much what I raise. Can you say the same? I wonder. As I sweat you buy.

seesalrun on February 17, 2009 at 12:07 AM

We eat what we raise, including vegetables. We make our own saugage.
I watched my parents struggle for years and fortunately, I have got another business to fall back on. Our main problem is feed and water in dry spells. If there is not enough rain, we cannot raise enough Coastal and I have got to buy hay and it gets really expensive if I have got to pump water.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM

There need to be consequences for the three who voted for this abomination of a bill. When Democrats say Republicans need to be bipartisan, they remind me of an old Star Trek line. “The most cooperative man in this world is a dead man” Sounds to me like Specter, Snowe, and Collins are cooperative from the neck up.

gordo on February 17, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Statistically as determined by income tax returns, social conservatives are more generous to charities.

onlineanalyst on February 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM

Tax evasion?

sethstorm on February 17, 2009 at 1:21 AM

Well, I went down to the capitol building in Sacramento with my ‘HONK! if you hate the stimulus’ sign.

What a fantastic experience! I got so much support from drivers and pedestrians alike – and only 3 idiots claimed to love the stimulus.

On the back of the sign I put ‘Palin 2012′.

I met one woman (gorgeous!) and her cute as a button daughter from Alaska, so I talked with them for a few minutes about Sarah and Governors and what not.

They planned on visiting the capitol, but with the way the anti-8 crowd was acting she did not wish to endanger her child so they went to the Gov mansion instead.

They must put something special in the water up there. I am quite impressed with these Alaskan women!

I was surprised to see there was an anti-Prop 8 rally on the grounds. I chose a yellow sign with black (and red) lettering – apparently yellow and black are the colors of the ‘Yes on 8′ crowd. Oops!

That made things pretty interesting. At one point I walked into the anti-8 rally and got jeered a little, then some officers came over and told me I had to leave. I asked why since I wasn’t taking a stance on the Prop 8 issue.

Basically I was told I chose the wrong color scheme for my sign and had to leave. I guess these anti-prop 8 folks are some pretty vociferous ‘signists’. They judge you based upon the color of your sign.

That was pretty pathetic IMO. Stop the hate, anti-8′ers.

At one point as the festivities concluded a group of anti-8 types asked me to show my ‘Palin 2012′ sign so they could take a picture of me. I refused – and they seemed a little surprised that I saw thru their ploy so quickly.

They wanted to see my yellow and black Palin sign so they could paint me as a Palin supporting ‘Yes on 8′ hatemonger.

I held the sign ‘Palin 2012′ side close to my body to foil their photographic smear tactics.

Once I ‘outted’ them on their little plan they turned on me. I don’t think they like to be ‘outted’.

I enjoyed that little moment greatly. That happened right at 3 – my planned quitting time. I decided to pull a Costanza and leave on a high note.

Earlier I did pose for a photo displaying my ‘Palin 2012′ sign to one local rag. I decided if they posted my photo and tried to misrepresent my demonstration I would sue the pants off them. Since they seem to delight in publishing names and addresses of Prop 8 supporters – they would be falsely slandering me and putting me in danger.

I also talked to the ‘Yes on 8′ crowd. They were all very pleasant individuals, and supportive of both my stimulus protest and Palin in 2012.

Strangely, I was approached by both sides of the Prop 8 issue with pro-Ron Paul sentiments. He’s not for me.

Mr Purple on February 17, 2009 at 1:57 AM

Republicans should take the high road on Collins, Snowe, and Specter. Certainly, we should treat them all to a tough primary when the time comes, but remember… this bill really is a PIG. And the stink of it is going to cling to them, just as it will cling to Obama and his lackeys.

Democrats can’t be trusted with money. In a year’s time, we’ll be tracking their spending, monitoring their waste, reporting their kickbacks. Heck, there will be millions, maybe billions, they won’t even be able to account for. In a year’s time, it won’t take more than a federal deficit chart and a list of ridiculous “emergency” expenditures to defeat any one of these yahoos.

These people just poured hemlock into their own ears. It’s not necessary to finish them off. So why bother when alternatively we can remain above the fray.

Murf76 on February 17, 2009 at 1:57 AM

Sarah Palin was just on Greta’s show. Greta asked Sarah what she thought about the Stimulus bill. Gov. Palin said that since members of Congress didn’t time to read the bill before the vote, she thought Obama should veto it and tell Congress to get it right.
bw222 on February 16, 2009 at 10:47 PM

It will be interesting to see sarah say “Thanks but no thanks” to Alaska’s stimulus windfall.

benny shakar on February 17, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Does anyone else think that the Republican Party has the same problem with the trio as the Democrats did with Lieberman?

If so, how can the GOP learn from how the Democrats treated Lieberman, and the results so far of their behavior to Lieberman? Assuming of course that Lieberman’s motives and personality are similar to those of the trio, which is probably not true, unless you assume all four of them did it for political advantage alone.

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 3:25 AM

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 3:25 AM

The difference is character.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 3:33 AM

The difference is character.

Johan Klaus

May I ask you to clarify? I don’t recall the Republicans liking Lieberman much either.

Also: Could someone kindly tell me what a Moby is? Besides the whale and the performer.

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 3:53 AM

Throw’em out of office!!!

eanax on February 17, 2009 at 4:05 AM

May I ask you to clarify? I don’t recall the Republicans liking Lieberman much either.

Also: Could someone kindly tell me what a Moby is? Besides the whale and the performer.

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 3:53 AM

You do not have to dislike someone to disagree with them. But, when you are in a party whose major plank is small government, low taxes, and free enterprise and you vote for the largest ever increase in government (socialism), then that shows a lack of character.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 4:10 AM

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 3:53 AM

And how many of the democrat senators voted with the republican senators.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 4:13 AM

Uh, Lieberman voted for the stimulus. If you’re saying that the trio have no character for doing so, then neither does Lieberman.

I don’t understand your question. Didn’t all the Democratic senators vote for the stimulus? Or am I being totally stupid? It would not be the first time. :)

But to return to my point: Clearly, the Democrats did something to convince Lieberman to do as he was told. Can’t the GOP try to do the same to the trio?

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 4:23 AM

But to return to my point: Clearly, the Democrats did something to convince Lieberman to do as he was told. Can’t the GOP try to do the same to the trio?

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 4:23 AM

The democrat senators and Liberman, being big government liberals, voted for big government. Apparently, the three rinos are falsch republicans.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 4:32 AM

I was trying to suggest a solution. It may have been a really dumb solution, but at least it was one. What good does it do to repeat the phrases ‘big government’ and ‘false republicans’? Even if the GOP gets rid of Specter in the 2010 primary, that’s still 2 years away. Heavens know how much damage he can do in that span of time to GOP interests.

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 AM

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 4:49 AM

It is sort of like a rattlesnake; it might bite the other guy, but I do not want it near me.

Johan Klaus on February 17, 2009 at 4:56 AM

I’ve done the math:

As per Obambi’s suggestion that America could be saved by everyone checking their tire pressure and getting a tune-up I propose we do just that.

800 Billion buys = A $200 tune-up and a $12 digital tire pressure gauge for 3,773,584,905 cars. Given a conservative estimate that there are 65 million registered cars in America we can purchase a tune-up and tire gauge for every car, each year, for the next 58 years.

How many jobs would that create? Now that is change we can believe in….I wonder what throwing in a new set of tires would do to the numbers??? Back to the calculator!

JDSwartout on February 17, 2009 at 5:03 AM

willamettevalley on February 17, 2009 at 12:34 AM

I have to disagree with you and the post by Ed about one point. If the three stooges hadn’t been in the mix there wouldn’t have been a more bipartisan bill. Don’t get me wrong, Republicans have shown their love of government spending time and again until it makes me sick. But, if you think for a moment Obama would have given the GOP an inch you’re sadly mistaken. Obama thinks he is the messiah more than his kool-aid drinking cult of leftist thugs do. The GOP went into that first meeting with him ready and more than willing to make a deal. They really did try. Obama’s response? “I won so shut the hell up and take what I give you.” He isn’t going to let them suckle from his magic teat. Saying it would be different without the turncoats is ridiculous. And why should we want the GOP to get in bed with Obama? Because then the GOP is in bed with socialism. In bed with evil. Sorry for the long post.

chicagojedi on February 17, 2009 at 5:06 AM

I’m a Ronald Reagan Conservative Republican.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM

You don’t even know how to say it right. Clearly you need to go back and do some more research, wait for open registration again, and make another attempt to masquerade.

fossten on February 17, 2009 at 6:34 AM

It will be interesting to see sarah say “Thanks but no thanks” to Alaska’s stimulus windfall.

benny shakar on February 17, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Even if she does, the bill includes the ability of the state legislature to take it anyway. The game is rigged. Hope and change indeed!

jimmy2shoes on February 17, 2009 at 7:13 AM

lets not do what the Dems did to Lieberman.

huan on February 17, 2009 at 7:24 AM

CNN has Obama at 76% approval rating? I though they would have a 110% approval rating for him as he can do no wrong in their eyes.

Unfortunately for him, the rest of the 300 million American’s don’t have the same opinion. I, for one,think he is a disgrace already and will continue to be.

His lone success will be to reunite the republican party to many victories in the future.

dthorny on February 17, 2009 at 7:46 AM

I have to laugh when someone refers to a CNN poll! Anyone relying on the Communist News Network should take a really hard look at their life. This entire network is about as biased as they come so I’m sure their pollsters are making sure their sampling for polls is LEFT OF LEFT.

As far as the 3 CREEPS who betrayed the American taxpayers – well I see no reason to EVER go to the State of Maine and we will give money to anyone challenging Spector in the next election.

IlonaE on February 17, 2009 at 7:54 AM

These 3 have been a boil on our neck for long enough……..
let’s just lance them and be done with it.
These spies have constantly undermined GOP efforts throughout their tenure and can always be counted on to exploit their position for their own fame-game.

Lose them fast…at last.

Sterling_one on February 17, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Arlen Sphincter is as arrogant as he is old. He was on Hannity’s show last week claiming he supported McCain’s $400 billion alternative to this turd. “Well, we gotta do something with kool-aid in hand”.

Ah, what is another 600 billion, give or take.

dthorny on February 17, 2009 at 8:11 AM

Actualy very simple to me right now…

Remove Collins, Snowe and Specter from ANY duties as Republicans. If Steele fails to act he gets ZERO money from me and ZERO support. My money will go to ANYONE other then these 4 IDIOTS and TRAITORS. If Steele fails to cut these morons off, then he get’s cut off, the RNC is cut off…

If we all sent Steele this message he would act. If we sit here and complain about the traitors but do nothing to “act” against them, they win, as does Obama. If we, as a party, held these folks up, cut them off VERY publicly, we would NOT have to worry the next time (and there WILL be a next) huge power grab by the Messiah happens. It will then be clear exactly where the Republican party stands.

Time to melt the phones, e-mails and faxes at the RNC.

Mark Garnett on February 17, 2009 at 8:22 AM

It will be interesting to see sarah say “Thanks but no thanks” to Alaska’s stimulus windfall.

benny shakar on February 17, 2009 at 2:25 AM

Benny, you should check your local community college or even high school to see if they have a basic economics class available. Evidentally, you are a bit lacking in knowledge in that area.

The stimulus is NOT a windfall in any sense. The money has to come from somewhere.. ultimately the individuals who pay taxes.. BTW – Corporations do NOT pay taxes. That is just an illusion. All taxes ultimately fall on individuals.

What happens in your hero obamabi’s socialist nightmare is that money is confiscated with the barrel of a gun from producers. From there it is redistributed to non producers and to others based on political expediency, not economic fact. Along the way, the kleptocracy steals as much as it can.

Money is taken from those who would hire and buy and given to government idiots.

The market is far more rational in allocating scarce resources (all resources are finite). If you want to see what socialism is like, read Mig Pilot by Viktor Belenko. It leads to decaay, despair and brutalitiy.

I just overheard a bunch of people in a restuarant talking about their visit to cold war Russia.. That is NOT the world I want for my kids and grandkids.

You know benny, even though my roots are judeo-christian, I still believe in Karma. I don’t like that because I really am hoping that the liberals who shoved this down our throats are the first to suffer under socialized medicine.. You know , like the disaster in the UK and Canada.

Hey Benny babe, if socialism is so great, tell us why you haven’t moved your family to the people’s socialist paradise of Cuba??

bullseye on February 17, 2009 at 8:44 AM

HAVE YOU CALLED THE RNC TO DEMAND STEELE REMOVE THE TRAITORS COLLINS, SNOWE and SPECTER???

WELL???

MELT THE PHONES!!!

Mark Garnett on February 17, 2009 at 9:20 AM

I’m a Ronald Reagan Conservative Republican.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Then act like it…

right2bright on February 17, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Definitely not. I believe in free-market capitalism. I’m a loyal Republican. I just think the Country’s going to rally around the President in the end. I think President Obama has a a lot in common with Ronald Reagan.

Atlanta Voter on February 16, 2009 at 10:41 PM

I get this! A current “loyal Republican” can absolutely support Obama. He represents the current Republican Party! Big government! Big Spending! Big Regulations! Big Nanny State! There is no difference between Obama and the current Republican Party! If there is, where are they? I don’t hear a message from them?

But, to equate Obama with Reagan! That is the dumbest quote of the decade! Obama is a punk and Reagan would punch Obama in the nads and send him back to his mommy! All with a smile, of course…

sabbott on February 17, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Talking about Obama minions, is it me, or does Tim Geithner remind me of somebody?

Mr. Joe on February 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM

The public isn’t impressed with the bill, according to Rasmussen’s latest polls.

AnninCA on February 17, 2009 at 10:44 AM

hey how come you guys ain’t picking on JoeMomentun? He voted for the package also, think he was the darling of the GOP just 3 months ago!

Monkei on February 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM

The real betrayal of Specter, Collins, and Snowe

Screw these three RINO turn coats. The faster the gang of three are jettisoned from the Republican party, the better.

byteshredder on February 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM

The real betrayal of Specter, Collins, and Snowe
Screw these three RINO turn coats. The faster the gang of three are jettisoned from the Republican party, the better.

byteshredder on February 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Don’t hold your breath… Steele is a WUSSY, so are most Republicans… If we had anyone with guts and balls we would have removed the three TRAITORS to AMERICA from the party INSTANTLY upon the vote…

The RNC and Steele along with Snowe, Collins and Specter are ALL coward, spineless bastards… They are DEAD to me!

I have called the RNC and left many messages, they will get NOT ONE MORE PENNY from me until they rid the party of these idiots. Have you called yet? Have you told the RNC?

Mark Garnett on February 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Also: Could someone kindly tell me what a Moby is? Besides the whale and the performer.

Frivolous on February 17, 2009 at 3:53 AM

It comes from the performer a rabid lefty. He suggested lefties go on conservative sites and pose as “concerned Republicans” and then spout left wing talking points and talk about how much they like Obama. Observe the comments by atlanta voter.

goat on February 17, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Mark Garnett on February 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Its not up to Steele and the RNC to punish them that would be Cornyn and the NRSC’s job. With holding support from the RNC hurts not just federal candidates but also efforts to recruit and support local and state candidates as well. Lay off Steele and let him do his job and punishing the turncoat trio is not it.

goat on February 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM

OK, I think we can safely say that the stimulus bill contains a lot of pork. Is there anything there like the “bridge to nowhere”? Something that can singlehandedly discredit the entire bill. How come there isn’t a joint effort by all Republicans to highlight that?

What pisses me off is how when the Republicans are given a chance to talk about it, they start talking about how the Democrats aren’t “bipartisan”. Who cares? This is a charge with as much substance as “You’re a poop!” or “You’re not being nice”. Think whatever you want about it, but it’s a fact that you can’t (yet) outplay Obama in the game of who’s being nicer. He comes across as a very nice person.

The criticism must be specific and to the point. Unfortunately, I suspect that if the Republicans start talking about pork that the Dems put in the bill, the Dems will have as much stuff on the Republicans.

radiofreevillage on February 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Many of us thought those seats were lost years ago.

burt on February 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM

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