The real betrayal of Specter, Collins, and Snowe

posted at 11:15 am on February 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I have one last thought on the Porkulus events from last week.  This weekend, Mitch and I took a lot of calls on the passage of Porkulus, with many demanding some retribution for Senators Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins.  Usually, both Mitch and I advise against revenge on defector votes.  We both agree that a big-tent party has to have room for some disagreement, and the only way to get to a majority again in Congress is to build a large enough coalition to take charge.  Purity drives lower our numbers and our ability to influence policy.

This, however, is a different matter.  First, the Republicans need to re-establish credibility as the party of fiscal responsibility, and supporting Porkulus is antithetical to that effort.  No matter how big a tent the Republicans need to pitch, they still need to stand for core values — and among them should be fiscal responsibility and smaller government for greater individual liberty.  Porkulus fails on both counts, which is why the House GOP maintained a solid wall of opposition to it.  Specter, Snowe, and Collins apparently don’t share those values.

But in this case, the betrayal goes beyond core values.  Despite Barack Obama’s demagoguery earlier in the week, many Republicans wanted a big stimulus package to come out of Congress as quickly as possible.  Given the chance, Republican partnership would have produced a bill with less long-term spending, more short-term spending, better tax cuts, and a huge reduction in the health-care bureaucracy that comprised almost half of Porkulus. Such a bill would have easily received a hundred Republican votes or more in the House and may have passed on acclamation in the Senate, and it would have sent a message of unity in a time of economic crisis.

In order to get that, Republicans had to shut down Porkulus.  It would have forced Democrats to negotiate with Republicans and get the better bill to Obama’s desk.  All we needed was Republicans to stand firm in the service of their fellow Republicans and to defy Nancy Pelosi’s triumphalism.  The House did its job, as did most of the Republicans in the Senate, even while saying that they would support a real stimulus package.  Instead, Specter, Collins, and Snowe essentially stabbed their colleagues in the back — while Specter whined about the lack of debate on the bill, after he voted for cloture and an end to debate.

That was the real betrayal.

What can the Republicans do to the Porkulus 3?  Not much, really.  The GOP needs them to offer an illusory chance at filibustering legislation, although their failure to filibuster something as bad as Porkulus more or less exposes that as an empty threat.  Republicans need to find credible primary opponents for these three, even if it means losing the seats, because after Porkulus it appears they’re already lost.

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gh on February 16, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Republicans need to find credible primary opponents for these three, even if it means losing the seats, because after Porkulus it appears they’re already lost.

I’ve yet to meet the politician who’s willing to take a stand at the risk of losing his/her seat, or the prospect of more seats for their party at the next election. Sadly, we have 535 people who are more concerned with the next election cycle than with doing the jobs for which they were presumably elected in the first place.

redfoxbluestate on February 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Solid primary opponents are badly needed. These next few years in the Senate are going to be rough, especially is Franken ultimately wins.

The real point of focus, however, should be in the House during the 2010 cycle. If Spendulus hasn’t paid off in a year or so, a lot of the Democrats who voted for it could be vulnerable, and is the GOPs best chance for stopping President Obama’s plans for our future.

BadgerHawk on February 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM

Ed, you talk like it’s the first time for these three.

And another thing, smaller government is not part of the platform for the David Brooks-type Republicans, or even the editorial board of National Review.

BigD on February 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM

I am all for big tent as long as the the people admiting people to the tent check to ensure that all who enter will defend liberty of the states and the people at all political costs. I believe that greater than 50% of the voting population would support this core value once it has been cleary established that the Republicans represent this core value.

Specter, Collins and Snowe fail this test.

WashJeff on February 16, 2009 at 11:23 AM

Beyond the House and Senate GOP offering legislation of their own (which will no doubt be batted down by a majority on the others side), their main focus now should be to stand against any legislation that does not further the idea of political conservatism.

Even some of the “Blue Dogs” understand that fiscal conservatism, in the face of Bush’s spending sprees the past 8 years, should be the key issue for Obama’s administration right now.

Cuts to defense, in the face of an ongoing war, is NOT a smart idea.
Raising ANYONE’s taxes, in this economy, is NOT a good idea.

Yet, Obama has already done one (cuts to defense) and will do the other (allowing Bush’s tax cuts to expire), within the next 4 years. NO fiscally conservative politician should be “FOR” any of that.

“Big tent” or not.

Talismen on February 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Republicans need to find credible primary opponents for these three, even if it means losing the seats, because after Porkulus it appears they’re already lost.

Agree . . . and they should immediately take away their committee positions and stop all GOP funding to these three useless traitors.

rplat on February 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Instead, Specter, Collins, and Snowe essentially stabbed their colleagues generations of Americans in the back

yo on February 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM

The irony is that these 3 have sealed Obama’s fate. Obama has now created the biggest deficit in our history. Very un-Lincoln-like.

faraway on February 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Specter, Collins, Snow, the new voice of the Republican party. They will be on every media show, every op-ed piece, they are the new media darlings. The media has spoken, these three are patriots, and the rest of the Republicans are obstructionists.

MDWNJ on February 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM

Republicans need to find credible primary opponents for these three, even if it means losing the seats, because after Porkulus it appears they’re already lost.

Exactly
In the old days, after you got a traitor to open the gates to the castle, you hung him from those gates. This practice needs to be revived.

Republicans must stand for more than “I’d like to be an important person because I’m rich and have a big ego.”

Better a real Democrat than a pretend Republican.

And yes, 2010 is the next election to be setting up. The “Porkulus” will fail. People will save and not spend. So plan on taking back the House in 2010.

CrazyGene on February 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM

And another thing, smaller government is not part of the platform for the David Brooks-type Republicans, or even the editorial board of National Review.

BigD on February 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM

Do you really think so?

saiga on February 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I wouldn’t contribute to the national committee because of these three. As a matter of fact I won’t contribute to Florida’s party either until I find out who’s running for the Senate. There is no way in He!!’s half acre that I am donating to Charlie Crist. And I don’t care that he went to Ft. Myers because that seemed like the polite thing to do but the fact that he was a cheerleader for Porkulus was a deal breaker.

Cindy Munford on February 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Sorry Suckers!

Watch Steele begin to push these folks out…..he was on Beck the other day and drew the line!

will sass u on February 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM

No matter how you look at it, these 3 Thieves were pwn3d by Obama and the Dems.

Those of us conservatives who vote Republican have been pwn3d by Obama and the Dems with the 3 Thieves’ help.

We. Cannot. Afford. This. “Stimulus”. Bill.

Greg Toombs on February 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM

I’ve yet to meet the politician who’s willing to take a stand at the risk of losing his/her seat…

redfoxbluestate on February 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM

You think they would not mind losing their seat. Once they do, it appears they get a 10X raise to lobby their former comrades.

WashJeff on February 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM

redfoxbluestate on February 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM

There aren’t any statesmen anymore. Someone who will stand on principle and let the chips fall where they may.

cjs1943 on February 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Stabbed in the back on stimulus…what will happen with amnesty? Can these rino’s be bribed with pork there too? How much did Specter get…$6 billion for medical research to slow the spread of his cancer? When will they start thinking about the long-term instead of their short term self-interest?

borntotrade on February 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Even if the stimulus works, we still have the deficit.

The GOP needs to be hammering Obama each day to ‘pay-as-you-go’ as he promised. Force him to raise taxes ($20,000 per household) to pay for it.

faraway on February 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Specter comes up in 2010. He can be beat.

Fiscal responsibility is a core Republican vavlue. It is something that attracts broad support among social conservative, crunchy cons, paleocons, neocons and libertarians. It is a corollary of limited government.

How well would the crap sandwich have been received if it was actually accompanied by tax increases to pay for it now?

RINO season began on Friday and there is a 3 senator limit.

amor de cosmos on February 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM

I live in Philadelphia, nothing like going outside and getting a good old crap ball thrown at you. I have lost good friends over this stuff. Obama and his separation plans. I can’t wait to have to use a conservative bathroom (at least I will be able to flush with enough water) Specter what a hunk of crap. I cant believe I got hit with that 1 the other day.

Tremmy on February 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM

The Judas three.

christene on February 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM

I’m sick of all this pandering to the illegals and welfare freeloaders.

The country can’t win putting all the third stringers on the field. We need our performers supported all the way.

saiga on February 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM

God bless Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins!
American patriots.

President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Don’t know about you….but I’ve got $500 per person set aside. I’m contributing to whoever runs against them. They are poison in an unmarked bottle.

lm10001 on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Specter told three different news programs he would vote against the porkulus bill if the medical language was left intact in it. It is quite obvious, he either was lying or did not have a clue that it was still in the bill. We need to get rid of rinos like this!

Nuts4koi on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Republicans need to find credible primary opponents for these three, even if it means losing the seats, because after Porkulus it appears they’re already lost.

As Glenn Beck said, it’s time to give them pink slips. In fact while we are at it, how about all those who voted for Bush’s TARP which got us nowhere! We should not forget how our “leaders” voted. It is so frustrating!!!! Eight years ago we had a chance to make real change in this country — to get back to our heritage! And the RINO’s blew it big time. They are still blowing it, although hopefully, some are now getting the message. Here in OK we have one Senator that stood against it all — Jim Inhofe. Thank you Senator Inhofe. I will continue to support you because you have supported us! To the rest I say, you’re fired!

Christian Conservative on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

obama, lol. (hey, can I get a new bathroom, or a kitchen?)

faraway on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

God bless Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins!
American patriots.

Mavericks.

getalife on February 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM

There are a lot of Democrats who vote with the GOP more regurally than these three do.

Even if their seats do go to the Democrats, noone will be able to tell the difference.

MarkTheGreat on February 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM

I don’t feel a huge personal animus toward Snowe, Collins, and Spector–and I do admire Collins’ stand against confirming Geithner a few weeks ago.

They might have been doing the right thing by their lights, though it’s more likely that they were flattered by the President’s attention than anything else.

Nonetheless, I would love to see a huge effort to unset those three, along with Harry Reid, in 2010.

There have to be capable challengers in all three states; it’s just a matter of finding them and funding them.

Little Miss Attila on February 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM

I don’t really think they care. They must of gotten something out of this for voting yes. I want to know what it is. I think Steele should have a meeting with these 3 and tell them how it is. Your with us or against us. Now we have tarp 2 and the big 2 coming back for more. It’s never going to stop now. Just think what the general budget will look like. If this isn’t pork or an earmark. What will constitute one in The Ones eyes.

Brat4life on February 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM

If it talks like a democrat, walks like a democrat, and votes like a democrat….it’s a democrat.

Like many rinos that have been replaced by more conservative democrats we could come out overall winners if more conservative donks took their seats. I don;t see the downside to losing them if they vote with the donks on major cock up like this bill.

jukin on February 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Mavericks.

getalife on February 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Exactly!

President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM

RINO season began on Friday and there is a 3 senator limit.

will All due respect…let’s not forget McCain and Grahmnesty

will sass u on February 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Stronger primary candidates who aren’t afraid to name names and call these people out for what they are…

DCJeff on February 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Concern for how to get power is how they got in this situation. By not living by any principles, they lost any loyalty voters may have had. Big Tent does not mean anyone can represent the party. It means that the principles established are universally agreed upon. Said principles must still be followed by all in the party. If they want to have a say on the issues, then Republicans must define themselves (I would love to help) and live, act and vote accordingly. Voters today want more than anything to have someone who leads according to some (or any) set of principles.

Choose_Freedom on February 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Strip their committee assignments and make sure they get primaried! I would also like to thank GWB for campaigning for Specter against Toomey.

Valiant on February 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Having a big tent party is great, and all… but seriously, we should at least throw out the socialists. How can you be a Republican and donk off 800 billion without even reading the bill?

BPD on February 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM

How ironic would it be if they became the target of ACORN?
I’m just sayin…
I think another danger we Republicans face is gullable people like these three… sure, we’ll cut $100 billion out, then we’ll put it right back in… suckers

SC Patriot on February 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM

“Maverick” has turned into a dirty word for me over the last year.

Ferris on February 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM

lm10001 on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

My presidential savings account started November 4th.
I’ll use half to fight the Judas three.

christene on February 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM

I’m actually happy about the outcome here. It may seem perverse, but I’m glad we didn’t end up with what Barry Goldwater aptly scorned as a “Dime Store New Deal” with the approval of 100 or more Republicans. I’m not sure there is a hell of a lot of difference between a national debt of $10.5 trillion and one of $11 trillion. As my son likes to say, “infinity minus one is still infinity.”

Specter, Collins, and Snowe are liebrals. They have always been liberals. The only reason they stand out now is because they are the only liberal Republicans left.

rockmom on February 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM

God bless Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins!
American Soviet patriots.

President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

FIFY

BPD on February 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Are those noses real? They look like the nose part of a nose-glasses disguise without the glasses. I don’t mean to be cruel but the photo is funny.

Mason on February 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Solid primary opponents are badly needed. These next few years in the Senate are going to be rough, especially is Franken ultimately wins.

(snip)

BadgerHawk on February 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM

—–

Badger -

If Franken is seated, then we already lose filibuster.

At that point, there is ZERO reason to keep the Porkulus Three in the party.

Mew

acat on February 16, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Brat4life on February 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Must have gotten something? Adulation from the liberals, a place among the elite, instant media exposure, essential control of the Senate GOP. Now they will be catered to by both parties seeking their votes because they have shown weakness to the left but remain the only hope for the right. Seems to me that they have put themselves in the catbird seat. I’d say they got plenty even without a backroom deal. Kick them out of the party.

genso on February 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Send this quote to the 3 Amigos:

That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to displease the people by doing what you know is right, than to temporarily please them by doing what you know is wrong.

William J. H. Boetcker

izoneguy on February 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM

I am cutting off my donations to the GOP as long as these three have an R behind their names.

OmahaConservative on February 16, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Curly Collins and Moe Snowe would not be elected in Maine were they conservative. Larry Specter needs labor in PA.

Re-election for them = bringing home the bacon. Its not about the economy, its about them.

swede7 on February 16, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Even though times are tough, I’m willing to make at least a small donation to try to run one of these out of office the next time one has to run, which is in 2012 I think

BillCarson on February 16, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Man, this trojan horse “stimulus” is the wedge the libs needed to lever a lot of their control and BS. It’ll be interesting to see how things unfold in the coming year. We might have a lot of pissed off moderates who will lean our way this time. Polls suggest that Obama and Congress have already alienated them.

marklmail on February 16, 2009 at 11:37 AM

rockmom on February 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Ditto. A compromise would have exposed that the Republican party does not strongly defend the liberty.

WashJeff on February 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM

I’m sick of all this pandering to the illegals and welfare freeloaders.

It is what Obama lives for:

http://www.redstate.com/izoneguy/2009/02/15/obama-was-scammed-by-henrietta-hughes/

izoneguy on February 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM

These three can’t be trusted in the big tent. We have no assurance that they won’t try to bring the tent down around our ears. Let them seek the shelter of the Donkey tribe’s tent, where they really belong. At the ass-end.

RandyChandler on February 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM

I don’t think it takes two years for them to be vulnerable. Even if some modest benefit is realized from the bill, there’s still enough scandal for them to lose seats:
O Earmarks
O Old Dem-ticket wish list items that obviously don’t pass the stated three-legged test (create jobs, do it fast, at temporary expense)
O Last-minute provision that they have a panel that can instruct Inspectors General to NOT investigate specific projects
O Pay caps… come to think of it: retro-active pay caps for bailout recipients

I think we already have a brighter 2010 and some real “Hope & Change” to look forward to.

CLaFarge on February 16, 2009 at 11:38 AM

These three real Republicians? LOL I hope they all are voted out next term. They just want to kiss Obama’s a–!!
America is in real trouble with this President and his chosen people. LOL

salley on February 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I’ve yet to meet the politician who’s willing to take a stand at the risk of losing his/her seat, or the prospect of more seats for their party at the next election. Sadly, we have 535 people who are more concerned with the next election cycle than with doing the jobs for which they were presumably elected in the first place.

redfoxbluestate on February 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM

BINGO. And *that* is why I left the Republican Party and why I will not be going back anytime soon. Republicans are just as bad as Democrats, because the man who stands by and does nothing in the face of evil is just as bad as the evil itself. Republicans stand by and allow Democrats to destroy this country, so I consider them just as bad as Democrats.

Republicans have absolutely *no* credibility whatsoever. They can talk about values and principles and morals all they want, but until they put themselves and their seat in elected government on the line for those values and principles and morals, their rhetoric is as empty as that of B.O.

Michael in MI on February 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Mavericks.
getalife on February 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Lieberman!

Wait, what?

Bishop on February 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Mavericks.

getalife on February 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM

You’ll think mavericks when the government comes for your keyboard and decides your lifesaving operation is not worth the trouble/cost………….

Rovin on February 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM

The GOP needs a zero tolerance policy for this sort of nonsense. I’m all for a big tent when it comes to social issues. Hell, I’m a social moderate.

The reason I identify with the GOP is because I’m a fiscal conservative who believes in individual responsibility and against government handouts. Anyone who betrays this ideology should get run.

And BTW, this needs to start NOW!!! Screw waiting til the primaries in 2010. People like Steele and other alleged fiscal conservatives need to call out Specter, Snowe, and Collins any other backstabbers by name every time they’re in front of a camera or reporter.

Doughboy on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM

In spite of what we conservatives think about this betrayal … it didn’t come as a surprise. It’s time to stop groping across the isle and elect real conservatives. Especially when Joe Lieberman comes over as more of a conservative.

Don’t blame me I voted for Palin.

kregg on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I was watchin Glenn Beck interview Michael Steele last Friday and I wish he would have grilled him about these traitors. Similarly, I keep getting e-mails from Move America Forward and the last one was about how proud they were about the Republican opposition to Porkulus. I nearly punched my monitor. But then I sent a reply and essentially it was this. If you want my money, you are going to have to go after The Gang of 3 as well as every other RINO out there and field some REAL CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES for 2010 and beyond.

DEFEAT COLLINS, SNOWE and SPECTER in 2010

J.J. Sefton on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Lieberman!

Wait, what?

Bishop on February 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman, the biggest traitor in US Congress.

President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM

There was a WSJ piece last week that touched on how these three idiots provided cover for Kent Conrad and Ben Nelson, Dems in ND and NE, who would have likely considered breaking with their own party because they recognized what a “crap sandwich” (thanks AP) this was . . .

Bud Dude on February 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM

What is not mentioned is the position of power that these three have gained with the Democratic Party now that they went to the other side. They now are in a position to take favors from both sides of the chamber and that is not good for us.

shomegirl on February 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman, the biggest traitor in US Congress.

President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM

What’s wrong with Lieberman? Doesn’t hate America enough for ya?

BPD on February 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM

They need to be treated as outcasts.

Oink on February 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM

God bless Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, and Susan Collins!
American patriots.

President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Okay, who let the riff-raff in here?

-Dave

Dave R. on February 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Ed:

I agree entirely with your statement. There was no reason for these three to vote for the stimulus either initially or when the bill came out of conference.

davod on February 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Specter is gone in 2010. Bank on it.
His last election was won with a slim majority and now that he’s angered the party base, he won’t have enough votes to eek out another win.

My only hope is that he loses that Congressional healthcare plan and has to live out the consequences of his vote.

Frost7 on February 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I think the bigger betrayal is the people who elected these turncoats for yet another go at screwing conservatives. Joke’s on them–this time everybody is screwed!

varnson on February 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM

It’s really too bad that none of them come from a state that allows for recall of senators. I think that is something all states should have. Forget having to wait until the next election, if they can’t do the job right then call them back now and have a process to remove them.

tempestleo on February 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Anything I would say about Specter, Snow and Collins would most likely get me banned.

Hate is not a strong enough word for these three loathsome creatures, they deserve the pitchforks and torches treatment back home.

Geministorm on February 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM

The future of the Republican party does not include these failures.

drjohn on February 16, 2009 at 11:46 AM

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman, the biggest traitor in US Congress.
President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Uh huh.

Bishop on February 16, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Primary victories against the Traitorous 3 will be a shot heard through DC that will not be ignored. Other known backstabbers like Grahamnesty,Mr.No Borders McCain, et al, may think twice about throwing us under the bus again.

They have to be shown that their betrayals will have consequences. They’ve been getting away with it, and laughing at us, for far too long.

roninacreage on February 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM

The Three Stooges have to go, mole, lackey and conjob : >(

Jetman on February 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM

The caucus needs strong leaders that can make renegades tow the party line, when it comes to times like these. Unfortunately for us Republicans our party has lacked any real leadership with ‘cajones’ enough to endow its members with a since of purpose and drive.

robgfaulkner on February 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM

tempestleo on February 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I lived in CA when we recalled Gray Davis, and what did that get us? Schwarzenegger–the RINO’est RINO, eveah!

OmahaConservative on February 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM

When does RINO season open this year?

Geministorm on February 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM

The RNC’s new motto: we’ll fight like the French for lower taxes and smaller government. : ))

Angry Dumbo on February 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Term limits, like i said before, some of these people have been there so long , they managed to get out just in time when the British set it on fire in 1814.

MDWNJ on February 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman, the biggest traitor in US Congress.
President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Uh huh.

Bishop on February 16, 2009 at 11:47 AM

The differing reaction on your side to Lieberman vs. Collins, Snowe and Specter says all that needs to be said about what motivates peoples rancor on here. When Dems vote against their party they are heros. When GOPers vote against their party they are “traitors.” Can you not be so incredibly transparent? I didn’t see Collins campaining for Obama this year ala Lieberman and McCain.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM

The republican party must send a clear and concise message that they will not tolerate big spending even from their own. Steele, if he is at all serious about converting the republican party into a party that appreciates and obeys conservative principles, he should kick these three liberal amigos out of the party.
Enough with wanting more R’s in the senate. They are always against republican and conservative principles. Steele, the ball is in your court now. Stand by principle and throw these three out. We can’t tolerate this anymore.

jencab on February 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Bishop on February 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM

Yeah, and look what Democrats do to their Mavericks…they tried to throw Lieberman out of office.
We nominate ours for President and then run around crying, wondering why we got our a**es kicked by a wet eared rookie. Hence, my new motto for the GOP: We don’t throw away our garbage. We eat it.

Oink on February 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM

No, no no. We don’t outcast our mavericks. We celebrate their openmindedness and willingness to reach across the aisle. We marvel at their intelligence and sophistication. We nod our heads while they insult the rest of us for expressing outrage as they wander off the reservation. We run them for President. Stop the wailing, Repubicans. This is what we wanted, right? You run someone for President who spent 8 years giving his party the finger; you reward him for that behavior. Now you want to start squealing when others follow his example? Please. The only thing that surprises me, is that there aren’t more of them than these 3. But there will be. Oh yes. Don’t worry moderates. This will all blow over in 4 years. You can nominate one of these 3 fine mavericks, or King Maverick himself, Backdoor John, and lose to Obama again in 2012.

austinnelly on February 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Your “Big Tent” Party comes with a decided Risk…

Because you know have a situation, where you have allowed the “Big Tent” to put people into decision making positions which are absolutely against Half of your tent (or more).

Your “Big Tent” just biatch slapped every Fiscal Conservative in the country.

Until the Republican party makes a decision as to what they stand for… and enforce it… they will continue to tick folks like me off… and will not regain power because they loose their Base…. just like LAST F”N PRES ELECTION!

Romeo13 on February 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Primary victories against the Traitorous 3 will be a shot heard through DC that will not be ignored. Other known backstabbers like Grahamnesty,Mr.No Borders McCain, et al, may think twice about throwing us under the bus again.

And what will happen when they inevitably lose the general election in those states? Collins, Snowe and Specter are in states that went for Obama by double digits, PA was a particularly large blowout for him. Specter is no fool, why must he pretend to be one.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Seems to me that they have put themselves in the catbird seat. I’d say they got plenty even without a backroom deal. Kick them out of the party.

genso on February 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Yep. they’ve now got themselves a pretty sweet deal for a while. In high school, everyone wanted to date the girls of easy virtue.

a capella on February 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM

If that “Big Tent” got a bit more focused it might actually be large enough to house enough politicians to matter.

rolith on February 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Just a reminder of how shortsighted the Republican party can be. They actively supported Specter over his more conservative opponent Toomey in the last primary. Wonder how he would have voted on the bill. hmmmm? While we scratched our heads, they set this RINO up, and now he pulls a Chaffee on all of us. Our party can be so stupid at times!

lamaestra57 on February 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I wouldn’t contribute to the national committee because of these three.

I agree. We should have learned our lesson with Lincoln Chaffee. The GOP encouraged support for his 2006 run, which he lost, on the theory that it was critical to maintaining the Republican majority in the Senate. That really worked out well. Then, having lost the majority, we were told we needed to prop up a Susan Collins in 2008 because we had to preserve the filibuster possibility. And that’s clearly not going to work out either.

Republicans are terrible at playing these strategy games. If the GOP is going to be the permanent minority party, then at least it should stand for some true conservative principles. Who knows? Maybe the voting public will start taking it seriously again.

Bennett on February 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

The differing reaction on your side to Lieberman vs.

Collins, Snowe and Specter says all that needs to be said about what motivates peoples rancor on here. When Dems vote against their party they are heros. When GOPers vote against their party they are “traitors.” Can you not be so incredibly transparent? I didn’t see Collins campaining for Obama this year ala Lieberman and McCain.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Amen brother, AMEN!

President Obama on February 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Primary victories against the Traitorous 3 will be a shot heard through DC that will not be ignored. Other known backstabbers like Grahamnesty,Mr.No Borders McCain, et al, may think twice about throwing us under the bus again.

They have to be shown that their betrayals will have consequences. They’ve been getting away with it, and laughing at us, for far too long.

roninacreage on February 16, 2009 at 11:48 AM

You do realize that Arlen faced a primary challenger in 2004, right? They have felt the consequences before, this is not something new.

Trent1289 on February 16, 2009 at 11:54 AM

There is an ebb and flow in politics, and we can’t afford to be too negative about Snowe, Collins, and Specter. Eventually, they will tire of Obama and the Democratic leadership–probably in response to some egregious bit of Democratic hubris. At that point they will start manning the barricades erected on the road to socialism. And we need them to do it later this year. We don’t want to have to wait until 2011, because the leftist will achieve much mischief in 2010 if we let them by demanding too high a level of purity.
If Snowe, Collins, and Specter don’t start resisting the more egregious leftist legislation of the Democrats by 2010, then it will be reasonable to talk of ousting them.

thuja on February 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I realize you can’t get full blown conservatives out of a liberal leaning state and that is a sure path to losing that state to the full time dems , so you need for count the ones that at least support you some of the time.

But I really think a lot of research needs to be looked at here of the damage done by trying to be a big tent to the point it compromises your principles.

The left keeps dragging the goal posts left at an increasing rate of speed and to meet them in the new middle just make you the old them.

Leave a gap between election positions on policy so there is a true choice and not two candidates that sound like you could swap their position papers and not be able to tell the difference.

What you gain in the middle you may more than lose in people who agree with you but sit it all out rather than try to pick between two candidates that almost sound like they are singing two party harmony.

CommentGuy on February 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Yep. they’ve now got themselves a pretty sweet deal for a while. In high school, everyone wanted to date the girls of easy virtue.

a capella on February 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Given their aged appearance, you have now shattered half of my high-school memories. Thanks. ;)

genso on February 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM

The differing reaction on your side to Lieberman vs. Collins, Snowe and Specter says all that needs to be said about what motivates peoples rancor on here. When Dems vote against their party they are heros. When GOPers vote against their party they are “traitors.” Can you not be so incredibly transparent? I didn’t see Collins campaining for Obama this year ala Lieberman and McCain.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM

You must have missed the liberal reaction to Ol’ Joe when he supported Bush on the Iraq War. The new “I” after his name doesn’t stand for “Iemocrat” and the reason for its appearance didn’t have anything to do with conservatives.

When Republicans vote against their party they are hero’s, when demorats vote against their party they are “traitors.”

See how that works? Transparency.

Bishop on February 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Isn’t it interesting or ironic that critics of revival meetings slam evangelists for their ability to ‘expand the tent of salvation’ by attracting more ‘sinners’ than expected, implying that religion has no business being so overt in their efforts to proselytize, but critics slam the Republican Party for not promoting a ‘big tent’ concept to ‘embrace’ those on the periphery of conservative thought and principle.

Perhaps it is because the former is STRENGTHENED when it grows it numbers but that the latter is WEAKENED as it message becomes diluted and wishy-washy in its efforts to appease the newcomers.

technopeasant on February 16, 2009 at 11:56 AM

The only satisfaction I derive from this situation is that the turncoat three have their names inscribed on this bill far more visibly than any of the Senate democrats. To be sure, they are enjoying the spotlight for the time being, and the Porkulus is particularly “stimulating” for their short-term fame and fortune, but when it fails, as it is absolutely doomed to do, their names will be remembered, and perhaps then we can ask them whether it was worth it. Selling out your party and your constituents is a heavy price that they were more than willing to pay, and when the bill comes due, they are certainly going to feel it.

Greyfox on February 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM

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