Obama administration no longer issuing denials on Fairness Doctrine
posted at 12:00 pm on February 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Remember when the Left laughed at conservatives’ concerns over the Fairness Doctrine? Barack Obama already said he opposed the reimposition of the FCC rule, they said. After all, Obama’s campaign gave this definitive statement in June 2008:
“Senator Obama does not support re-imposing the Fairness Doctrine on broadcasters,” said press secretary Michael Ortiz in an e-mail to B&C late Wednesday.
“He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse viewpoints as possible,” said Ortiz.
As our friend Jim Geraghty reminds us, all of Barack Obama’s statements come with an expiration date. Today, Chris Wallace interviewed David Axelrod and asked him directly about the Fairness Doctrine — and suddenly the White House adviser got a lot less definitive:
WALLACE: Will you rule out reimposing the Fairness Doctrine?
AXELROD: I’m going to leave that issue to Julius Genachowski, our new head of the FCC, to, and the president, to discuss. So I don’t have an answer for you now.
That’s hardly a denial, as Politico’s Michael Calderone notes:
Lester Kinsolving, the conservative radio host, has twice asked Robert Gibbs about it in the briefing room, and each time, the press secretary didn’t reveal the administration’s position.
Last week, I reached out to press office staffers in order to find out if the administration’s position is the same as in June, and have not yet received a response.
If Obama’s position on the Fairness Doctrine is the same as during the campaign — and I have no reason to believe it isn’t — stating such clearly would quickly silence a lot of conservative critics who assume the Democratic president is going to try and reinstate the defunct policy. Otherwise, the Fairness Doctrine chatter on the airwaves isn’t likely to die down.
It’s an easy question. Does this administration believe in free speech or government censorship? Their sudden inability to provide a clear answer, when they had no problem giving such assurances eight months ago, does not bode well for the answer.
I’d like to say I told you so to all of those who accused us of paranoia, but the window on that ability to do so on the airwaves looks like it’s about to expire — like all of Obama’s campaign promises.
The American media should be ashamed of themselves on this issue. They pose as the defenders of the First Amendment and free speech. Why are Chris Wallace and Michael Calderone the only MSM people pursuing this?
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This is very true. As much as I don’t agree with them, I still will read the lib blogs and occasionally listen to a lib on the radio just to see what’s in their tiny little minds. There used to be an Air America show out here with somebody, I think it was a kennedy, with this whiny nasally voice that reminded me of that Hyena in the Hanna Barbera cartoons, Hardy Har Har, who used to whine, “Oh me, oh my”. It was difficult to listen to. But the thing about the left wing talk shows is that there is very little substance there. They never seemed to take a relevant issue and break it down logically and discuss why it would or wouldn’t be a smart thing to do, it was always about feelings. That’s a really difficult thing to sell over the radio and I think that’s why Air America went under.
Bikerken on February 15, 2009 at 2:36 PM
that got me to thinking, doesn’t Debbie Stabenow look a lot like Aunt Bee?
Red State State of Mind on February 15, 2009 at 2:38 PM
No, don’t mention them in the same sentence!
They’re both stout, but Aunt Bee beams with good will and kindness.
INC on February 15, 2009 at 2:40 PM
I’m not sure she looks like Aunt Bea, but I’m sure I know why her hubby sought his horizontal refreshments from a professional.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM
and when caught, he was brought to justice, wasn;t he? /s
Red State State of Mind on February 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM
But they know what is best for you! Camille Paglia need to be taken for some…medication.
Mr. Joe on February 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Did you really write super paranoid? Good grief.
Leaving that aside, it’s my understanding that the Fairness Doctrine is an FCC matter. And once Obama has a compliant five-member (I think it’s five) commission in place, the majority of the board can reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, and it’s a done deal. So, unless I’m mistaken, reinstating the Fairness Doctrine doesn’t require a signature–or anything else for that matter–from Obama.
To overturn an FCC reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, either Congress would have to provide a legislative remedy, essentially outlawing the Fairness Doctrine, or the federal courts, once presented with a lawsuit, would have to provide a judicial remedy, essentially ruling that the Fairness Doctrine violates an applicable statute, the U.S. constitution, or some other principle.
BuckeyeSam on February 15, 2009 at 2:46 PM
that one line capsulizes the essense of ‘progressive’ ideology. The political elite as parent/master/overseer of the misguided proletariat.
Red State State of Mind on February 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM
That’s what I’ve read as well.
INC on February 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM
Is there anything in your pattern of posts in this forum to lead us to believe that this would not be the case?
PackerBronco on February 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM
If the Fairness Doctrine is reimposed. Every official responsible should be harrassed and their offices shut down until it is reversed.
CP on February 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Hunt for these men!
Comb the internet city!
Every internet street! Every internet grate!
Set a guard at every internet gate!
Drag them out!
Shout the moment that you find them!
Damn!
Knock in the internet doors
Lock up the internet city!
Track them down
Search the internet town
And be quick about it
Now!
How the devil will The One’s New Order ever prevail
If such scurrilous phantoms are not put in jail?
PercyB on February 15, 2009 at 2:55 PM
Thanks for saying all of that.
INC on February 15, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Sitting on the front row of Berry first president news conference? Liberal Talk Radio Host Ed Schultz. Anyone who actually believe this asshole won’t signed the Fairness Doctrine is living on another planet. Hillary Clinton has said there is a need to curb conservative talk radio. Nurse Ratched has been bitching and crying for years about talk radio. So, when they talk about restoring the balance on talk radio, there talking about destroying conservative talk radio. This is coming from Hillary Clinton, George Soros and the rest of these mindless frickin robots.
try again later on February 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Because Stabenow and her whore chasing hubby came up. Sorry it’s so big. (No, that’s not what her hubby said)
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM
So Bill Press falls on his ass and can’t make it in radio so what does he do? He turns on it. Fracking yellow cowards.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM
I’m accused of paranoia everytime I call bulls–t on one of Obama’s schemes to enhance the power of federal government.
It is as bad as I think it is, and they are out to get us. Just because you’re paranoid, that doesn’t mean you don’t have enemies.
gryphon202 on February 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM
$2 billion for ACORN so Democrats can control the vote.
Do away with conservative talk radio to control the airwaves.
Put the census in control of the White House Chief of Staff.
The smell of fascism is in the air…
drjohn on February 15, 2009 at 3:07 PM
“…in a statement released via their State News Agency today…”
Today: Russia, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela.
Tommorrow: Us.
SuperCool on February 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
- Charles Mackay
MB4 on February 15, 2009 at 3:09 PM
I’d be very surprised if Obama signed the Fairness Doctrine.
***
But do continue to quake and be super paranoid and whip up the base.
DeathToMediaHacks on February 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Keemo on February 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM
Propaganda only sounds stupid to it’s opponents. It sounds like the game plan and talking points to the other side.
That’s why he comes here.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 3:14 PM
FREEDOM, of SPEECH!
REPUBLICANS,(Ayers/Dorhns)the Liberals were out of
power,they have been plotting,
first its ‘Fairness Doctrine’,
then,Republican Rightsphere Blogs,will be next,
———————
IT IS THE LINE IN THE SAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on February 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Hope and Change has changed to Fascism and Corruption, now that the One that can do no wrong is in office. Thank you, Kool-Aid drinkers.
DL13 on February 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM
A taste of reality for the Hack-attackers…
Do you remember 1987……..
Thought you might be interested in this forgotten bit of information………
It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video
of Lt. Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the
Reagan Administration.
There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but
what he said was stunning!
He was being drilled by a senator;
‘Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?’
Ollie replied,
‘Yes, I did, Sir.’
The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience,
‘Isn’t that just a little excessive?’
‘No, sir,’ continued Ollie.
‘No? And why not?’ the senator asked.
‘Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir.’
‘Threatened? By whom?’ the senator questioned.
‘By a terrorist, sir’ Ollie answered.
‘Terrorist? What terrorist could
possibly scare you that much?’
‘His name is Osama bin Laden, sir’ Ollie replied.
At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but
couldn’t pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn’t. A
couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. ‘Why
are you so afraid of this man?’ the senator asked. ‘Because, sir, he is the most
evil person alive that I know of ‘ Ollie answered.
‘And what do you recommend we do about him?’ asked the senator.
‘Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be
formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth.’
The senator disagreed with this approach. And, that was all that was shown
of the clip.
By the way, that senator was Al Gore…
Also:
Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis
captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993,
Israel had to agree to release so-called ‘political prisoners.’
However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands, The
American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State,
Warren Christopher, ‘insisted’ that all prisoners be released.
Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked us by flying an airplane
into Tower One of the World Trade Center . This was reported by many of the
American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified.
It was censored in the US from all later reports.
Keemo on February 15, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Boy, I sure am glad all those people stayed home and didn’t vote for McCain because he was for amnesty. Now, we’ll get amnesty but you won’t hear anyone talking about it.
Kafir on February 15, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Adjust your mask, DeathToCapitalistPigs. It keeps slipping.
Jim Treacher on February 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM
I’ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system.
- George Bush
We must impose fascism on the country in order to save the country from fascism.
- Moonbat
MB4 on February 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM
So, does this mean on every program on ABC, NBC, CBS that there will be a segment dedicated to the conservative POV?
I can’t imagine the USSC not overruling this.
Blake on February 15, 2009 at 3:28 PM
That story was making the rounds after 9/11 but as I recall it turned out North had actually referred to a different terrorist during his testimony, not Bin Laden.
FloatingRock on February 15, 2009 at 3:29 PM
What a perfect way to kill the industry. I will never tune into a program where I am forced to listen to a leftard pov. If they kill talk radio, there goes another industry. And of course newspapers are barely breathing.
So, the leftards will have successfully ruin television, radio, and print media. Jeesh. They are like locusts. I guess that only leaves the internet…
Blake on February 15, 2009 at 3:33 PM
If any of y’all remember what A.M. Radio was like before Rush, you’ll agree that it was about as exciting as watching paint dry. There is a great clip Hannity runs of Alec Baldwin trying to host a radio talk show. He doesn’t know when to go to break, and sounds like a zombie. In other words, he sounds like “Air America”. Liberals are upset because the Liberal Talk Format has failed whenever it is tried. They want to force Americans to listen to them. Period.
kingsjester on February 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM
You had best come up with another plan as SS Reichsfuhrer Rahm has specifically ordered that you be sent to a no smoking facility.
DasObamaReich on February 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM
And they want to tax it.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Completely different person than the one who led the attacks on 9/11.
SteveMG on February 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Just following your lead brother,and keemo’s,and MB4’s,and
many others.Great thread.Way to back up the rights for free speech.
Baxter Greene on February 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Just following your lead to.Being in the minority has nothing to do with surrender.
The liberals corrupt and inept policies will come full circle and be exposed for all the world to see.
No eloquent speech and spin from the MSM will be able to hide the gutting and socializing of our country, and the disastrous results of capitulation to our enemies.
Obama’s administration will be Carter on steroids and we are not going to be silent and stand by while that happens.
Baxter Greene on February 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM
More “distracting” news about the “Fairness Doctrine”, this time from the Left Coast:
Former Democratic California governor and current Attorney General Jerry Brown appeared on conservative talk host Michael Savage’s radio show on Feb. 13. One of the issues the two debated was the possibility of the renewal of the Fairness Doctrine. During the interview, Savage noted that Brown sounded as if he wanted state control over the media.
“Well, a little state control wouldn’t hurt anybody,” Brown replied.
Buy Danish on February 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM
“Well, a little state control wouldn’t hurt anybody,” Brown replied.
Buy Danish on February 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Was this nimrod quoting Marx, Lenin, Stalin, or Hitler? Or maybe Obama?
kingsjester on February 15, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Dead on Keemo.
liberals tripped all over themselves then telling everybody about how smart they were,just like they are doing now:
BARACK OBAMA
the Surge.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjNmZTY2YjE0MzQ0ZjdkMTUwNDI3NGIzNDExM2Y3ZWI=
Obama’s position in January 2007:
Guest essay: Fannie and Freddie mess? Blame the Democrats
By JOHN H. PILLA
http://www.publicopiniononline.com/ci_11631591
This is why liberals have to constantly tell everybody how smart they are,because it doesn’t show.
Baxter Greene on February 15, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Bama lied or “voted present” (so to speak) during the campaign to prevent his real plans from being disclosed, knowing he would likely lose.
We have been conned to a fare thee well by an less artful (than W. J. Clinton) but more successfully, because media types took it upon themselves to participate in the con.
Now Bama has to silence the only part of the media which might be effective in bringing to con job to light.
Harry Schell on February 15, 2009 at 4:13 PM
Omaba and ALL of the DEMOCRATS and A LOT OF republicans
Now remind me of one thing..
They all look and act like
A Lawyer representing a snake oil salseman
in front of a congressional panel who bought stock in his company.,.
Anything they say and i mean anything
Is either a LIE or useless
Its becomming time america
to stand up and prepare
TO MARCH
jcila on February 15, 2009 at 4:17 PM
This is why Liberals have to constantly tell everybody how smart they are,because it doesn’t show.
Baxter Greene on Feb 15,2009 at 4:03PM.
Baxter Greene:And constantly tell the Republicans to
‘SHUT UP’!
Interesting to note,that silencing talk radio,where Liberal
plans and scams are discussed,another words,enlighten the
audience,is why,the Liberals want TALK RADIO DEAD,oops,a
little Rahm fork in steak jab there!
Remember,how the ‘Clintons’ had a sh#t hemerage,er catnip
tion fit over Drudge’s story,on Monica’the mechanic’and
Billy’s oil change episode,
he became,LIBERAL PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER 1 !:)
canopfor on February 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM
That’s just a sampling Baxter Greene. Bozo is blind to reality and will push his agenda no matter what. Just like pelousi and dingy harry. Reality means nothing.
oakpack on February 15, 2009 at 4:21 PM
hey Hawk,
you still around?
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 4:27 PM
The reason they are vague is that they are working on some type of Community Diversity Board regulations. Each radio station will have a board of community organizers assigned to it in order to “better reflect the local community’s interests.” Of course, any station that broadcasts political talk will be forced to air a “balanced political spectrum.” That translates as 12 hours per day of no-listener shows and bankruptcy. The beauty of this scheme is that the words conservative or Republican never have to be mentioned. If the stations broadcast politics they are driven bankrupt. If they broadcast Top 40 or Golden Oldies they survive. What could be fairer? It’s just bad luck that it only affects conservatives.
Fred 2 on February 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM
For a couple more minutes. What’s up?
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM
The American media should be ashamed of itself “on this issue”? Why would they, when they haven’t been on any other “issue”? Obama knows he has no political need to be accountable, because the media won’t hold him accountable. If they called him out on any of these lies they’d only be calling out themselves, as well as repudiating their faith. Obama knows he can say anything without consequence. And who was making the “paranoia” accusations? The Left — we already know them to be ones who will say anything, make any charge, tell any lie, toward their end.
Putting odds on a return of the Fairness Doctrine is the safest bet in Washington.
rrpjr on February 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Plenty of liberal call ins that would love that job on our local station here in Fayetteville. They call in and rail about how biased the station is all the time.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Bring it on
argos on February 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Going to the gym. I’ll check in if you had a comment later.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM
If a few of the forced broadcast shows are popular, why just keep trying. How about 3 hours on the local school bus controversy? Or how about the plans to build an off-ramp near town? The Community Board’s job will never end. If they just keep generating broadcast ideas in the name of diversity, sooner or later they’ll stumble on a no- listener format! And once the magic formula is found the station goes bankrupt. You just have to keep trying. What could be simpler? The “Fairness Doctrine,” under whatever name they will use this time, is not about getting Liberal talkers on the air, it’s about closing down talk radio. That’s why there was none the last time the Fairness Doctrine was in effect.
Fred 2 on February 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM
The One needs an emergency to impose the fairness doctrine, so, we have Rush interfering with desperately needed legislation. We, the people (the Democrats) have to act over a weekend or holiday to end the suffering, save the nation and preserve democracy. Buried in the act nobody read is the fairness doctrine or something equally venal. Then The One goes on vacation while the suffering nation waits. But He has His evil.
IlikedAUH2O on February 15, 2009 at 5:12 PM
They are the most transparent sneaks and liars ever.
rlwo2008 on February 15, 2009 at 5:15 PM
sorry hawk ,
i had to step out for a bit …
O/T, last time I sawe you post we were taking scopes… I swear by this as a tool to make sure it works best…
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM
these liberals and democrats
cannot be trusted now..
i am sorry but this is outrigth TREASON…
jcila on February 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM
FIFY.
Call me a right wing extremist, but Washington would agree with me.
Chaz706 on February 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM
…and Jefferson and Hamilton and Franklin and most of all Hale…
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM
Liberals just can’t handle the truth.
That is why they want to shut down free speech and have to have their friends in the MSM parrot their talking points on
cable news,the evening news,comedy channel,mtv,newspapers,and gossip magazines.
Every poll and major study of our information sources shows a huge liberal bias and they want to whine about talk radio.
Control the message and get down on your knees in the People’s Temple of Obama.
Baxter Greene on February 15, 2009 at 5:53 PM
Watching Fox News Sunday now. Axelrod stutters as much as Obambi. Or is it the other way around??
ctmom on February 15, 2009 at 6:04 PM
Bozo is nothing more than a front man for the far left agenda.
The Paparazzi president is to go around and sell the left’s ideology, push their agenda while the press covers and spins for him by ignoring the truth, highlighting populist rhetoric then demonizing anybody that disagrees:
Hardened Obama plans new fights
By: Mike Allen and Jonathan Martin
February 13, 2009 09:50 AM EST
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=6FFF9CCE-18FE-70B2-A82549D86F9EA416
Obama is not a leader,he is nothing more than a salesman.
Baxter Greene on February 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM
He’s lied about everything else up till now, why would this one be any different???
reshas1 on February 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM
The mainstream media are no longer defenders of the First Amendment and free speech. They are simply an arm of government tyranny.
The mainstream media now wishes to silence anyone who disagrees with them.
Alana on February 15, 2009 at 6:56 PM
You know, it’s really simple. (Regarding this “local” approach.)
The upshot will be that we won’t be allowed to listen to what we want to.
We’ll get in our cars, driving home from work, and will no longer be able to hear the shows we used to enjoy.
We will be deprived of hearing from those we wish to, when we wish to.
They will take that away from us. They will decide what we can hear.
I do believe it’s all over, folks.
Alana on February 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM
There’s always XM/Sirius.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 7:01 PM
It’s hard to see through all this “transparency”.
bryan2369 on February 15, 2009 at 7:02 PM
Yes, at 3am.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 7:05 PM
The front picture of this thread is a perfect representation for this.
Entelechy on February 15, 2009 at 7:15 PM
sethstorm, as a liberal you should be against this. Explain yourself.
Entelechy on February 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM
The MSM media doesn’t really know what it created when they anointed him their champion…………or, did they? Will we survive the Obama era?
SC.Charlie on February 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Thanks Jerry. lol, I got in and sat down with a flatbread from subway and flipped the TV on while I was eating. Caddy Shack was on AMC and the scene with Bill Murray shooting at the gopher with the cop flashlight taped to his rifle. That’s what I saw before I clicked on your link to the laserlite. So I thought it was funny and coincidental.
We use a laser borescope for our machine guns on our helicopters to dial them into the laser we use for night and NVGs. That one though goes in the breech and shines down the length on the barrel. Do you find this type that you stick in the end of the barrel is as accurate?
For me, I use dial my scope in at the range with matched ammo I make. For the AR15, I shoot 3-5 rounds of 55 gr FMJ with 24 gr 2230 powder on Winchester brass. I shoot at 100 yard targets and just keep dialing the scope in until it hits what I want. I take it you just dial the scope in on the laser?
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 7:23 PM
Hey Sethstorm! You know what I f*cking love about you guys. I have accounts at both HuffPo and DU and have never gotten one of my posts on because I don’t toe their party line over there. You come here and are smug and in-our-face- and you are never censored. How does that make you feel knowing that your side are the ones that limit free speech? How does it feel to know that you’re the ones who are unfair and totalitarian?
You get off on it don’t you?
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 7:29 PM
He won’t. He just enjoys rubbing our faces in what he knows to be true. I have to say, I at least respect the little bastar* for admitting his side has the media locked in. At least he’s a realistic and honest despot.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Sethstorm is not a liberal; he’s a liberal fascist.
Buy Danish on February 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM
So the story continues, but, is there an ending????
foxone on February 15, 2009 at 7:55 PM
that would be the last thing they do! period! I would watch my back if I were the ones to impose this communist/Marxist rule.
Thats all I have to say about that!
It’s going to get ugly folks! and look how wrong the pundits that said he is a moderate he will go to the middle!
wrong again!
time2taketheglovesoffGOP on February 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Aw, come on. Sethmouse the scroll-by is merely a dull Acorn tool desperately wishing someone would waste some handout on him. Sounding too much like Sidney Blumenthal to be worth more time,
viking01 on February 15, 2009 at 8:04 PM
Hawk,
Lmao on the coincidence …To answer the last question first… yes…
They say dial in at 30 yes then shoot 100 yds…then redial
Depending on cal. you can dial out to 50 to 100 yds dot gets pretty large though…
I can take a 30.30 or 30.06 and do 100yds then shoot 2-3” pat at 200yds all in less than a min…
And I’m near 60…My gunsmith recommends this unit because of quality and ease of use.
Plus it has two points where it touches the barrel. It’s a great piece of equipment! Cheap too..
You on active duty?
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM
M
Obama won’t have to sign anything. The FCC can reimpose it whenever it wishes.
-Dave
Dave R. on February 15, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Why would the Fairness Doctrine only affect radio? Based on the Liberal view that fairness and balance is needed, why would’nt it mandate CNN, MSNBC and that whole folly crew to split time with Conservative views? Why would “fairness” only apply to radio liberals?
malkinmania on February 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM
There’s you and me…
And Big Brother makes three.
hillbillyjim on February 15, 2009 at 8:15 PM
Great info. Jerry. I’ll consider that sight.
Yeah, I’m still on active duty. (32 years) I just recently was assured my unit is going to let me retire though. I was supposed to get out in June but wasn’t sure if I was Stop Lossed again and was resigned to doing another year in Afghanistan. The boss just let me know recently, he was going to let me go. I told him I’d extend till the end of August to help push them out and also give myself some time to take advantage of the retirement process that I’d been skipping over since we found out they were going early this Spring and training hard. Anyway, by the end of the Summer I’ll be a civilian for the first time since 76.
I hope then I’m able to legally voice my opinion without retribution because of my active duty status. There’s important work to be done in this country and you have your hands tied if your active.
As far as the weapons, I’ll have one more season that I can hunt in PA as a military resident and then I’m switching to NC. I’m trying to decide whether to purchase a larger caliber weapon or take out a White Tail with my .223. I have friends that are timid about shooting larger game with one for fear of not taking them with the first shot, but I think I’m pretty accurate. Your thoughts?
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 8:23 PM
On the surface of that argument, I’d agree…
This has nothing to do about fairness… this to squash descent…
Blatant and naked…
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 8:24 PM
Absolutely mislabeled to intentionally mislead. Nothing fair about it.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 8:26 PM
They should be ashamed of a lot more than just this one issue.
Hog Wild on February 15, 2009 at 8:34 PM
Hawk,
If you’re close enough and accurate enough cal is not as important…mo
Dropping the animal where it stands is what counts…
I’ve seen others take a bad shot with a 30.06…200yds later it fell…not good…
I personally have gone more than a season without taking a shot.
Saw many deer, even had them in the CH’s…confidence was low…distance, brush, breeze…
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 8:34 PM
He was arrested on Big Beaver Rd for hiring a prostitute, but they never pursued the charges… he’s still
free as a birdloose as a goose.Glenn Jericho on February 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM
I hope and pray that they call Mark Levin to testify before congress. That would be right up there with having Frank Zappa testify about record labeling. Now that was a hoot.
darwin-t on February 15, 2009 at 8:44 PM
BTW Hawk,
My personal best was a 3p spike…just under 250yds…Rem 30.06
Perfect shot…maybe that’s why I hesitate…
That was in Sullivan County off of Route 55 in 1975
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 8:45 PM
My thoughts exactly. The AR15 if it were legal would make up for in volume what I couldn’t get in accuracy with Bambi. (kidding) I’ll go with my Rem and just make sure I really have it dialed in. You know what’s funny is the guys up home love the 20-250 but they look down on the .223. Geez the 20-250 isn’t much different than the 22 (like they compare the .223 or 5.56 to too) but just on a ton of powder. I guess they think more velocity on the same caliber is better than just being accurate.
Jerry, where and what are you still hunting these days?
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 8:46 PM
And his wife still has the temerity to push the FD. If they were Republicans, they’d be driven out of politics on a rail.
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Sullivan County PA???
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Because radio is where you find a lot of conservatives. If it weren’t for talk radio and conservative blogs, there wouldn’t be anything known about the “stimulus” bill.
ddrintn on February 15, 2009 at 8:54 PM
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 8:48 PM
NY, south of monticello
jerrytbg on February 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Jerry, So we don’t bore these folks with shooting talk. Are you familiar with this site?
XDTalk Forums?
hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 8:57 PM
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