GM calls Treasury’s bluff
posted at 11:15 am on February 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
When the Bush administration and Congress started discussing a bailout for American automakers, critics pointed out that massive loans would do nothing to fix the problems of GM, Chrysler, and Ford. In fact, we argued that bailouts would prove counterproductive, as it removed the incentive for the real stakeholders in the company — stockholders, management, and labor — to substantially change their economic model to make themselves more competitive in the marketplace. Two stories bear that out this weekend. First, GM, Chrysler, and the UAW remain stubbornly unable to reach a realistic contract:
Talks between the United Auto Workers and General Motors Corp central to a turnaround plan for the struggling automaker have broken down over the issue of retiree healthcare costs, a person briefed on the talks said on Saturday.
A parallel set of talks between Chrysler LLC and the UAW over similar concessions were continuing over the weekend but little progress had been made, a person briefed on those negotiations said.
The breakdown of talks at GM and the stalled negotiations at Chrysler come with just three days remaining until both automakers must submit new restructuring plans to the U.S. government as a condition of the $17.4 billion in federal aid that has kept them both operating since the start of the year.
“It doesn’t seem like the stakeholders are really prepared to give a whole lot,” said independent auto industry analyst Erich Merkle. “It’s a high-stakes game of poker right now.”
Well, gee, why might that be? Why would neither management nor labor work towards a compromise? They have little incentive to do so as long as third parties keep refilling the bank accounts with cash. The bailout allowed both sides to hold out longer and maintain unrealistic demands, just as I predicted it would. Only when faced with imminent collapse and the loss of millions of jobs will these two sides start acting in the best interests of their business, rather than in the best interests of themselves. The government bailout only delayed the inevitable.
As if to prove that again, GM has now demanded another bailout as the price of continuing talks:
General Motors Corp., nearing a federally imposed deadline to present a restructuring plan, will offer the government two costly alternatives: commit billions more in bailout money to fund the company’s operations, or provide financial backing as part of a bankruptcy filing, said people familiar with GM’s thinking.
The competing choices, which highlight GM’s rapidly deteriorating operations, present a dilemma for Congress and the Obama administration. If they refuse to provide additional aid to GM on top of the $13.4 billion already committed they risk seeing an industrial icon fall into bankruptcy.
Some experts and members of Congress say bankruptcy reorganization is the surest way for GM to cut costs and become viable. But it could be a politically unpalatable development during a recession that already has thrown millions of workers out of jobs.
In fact, bankruptcy processes exist for just this kind of situation. Instead of bailing out GM and Chrysler, the government should have stayed out of the situation altogether. If labor didn;t want the companies to declare bankruptcy, they could have negotiated a contract that would have avoided it. Now we have wasted billions of taxpayer dollars to get us right back to the same point we were in the fall.
Obama can’t afford to alienate the unions by cutting the automakers loose. He’ll wind up pushing through another expensive bailout, which will kick the can down the road to about June or July. And once again, we will find ourselves at the same exact point, because the upcoming bailout will do what it did the last time, which is to allow management and labor to avoid making some hard choices about their business model.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result — or perhaps that’s the true definition of Hope and Change.










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and why wouldn’t they, the company now exists to provide jobs, with profit and product as secondary concerns, why shouldn’t they act like any other government agency.
rob verdi on February 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM
It’s the new wave, punish success and prop up failure.
Hog Wild on February 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM
If you are going to make these companies competative, the UAW has to agree to concessions. Or go out of business and lose the jobs. This is madness.
Mr. Joe on February 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Ed,
The advantage, as I see it, lies with the taxpayers. Since we are the ones funding this craptacular affair, I suugest that the next time anyone needs a new car, they simply find the one they like and drive it off the lot. After all, we’ve paid for it many times over. Think of it as an “investment” return.
Since the government is going to end up owning the auto industry, they may as well allow us to have free cars too, eh? :)
Heh.
AW1 Tim on February 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM
And still no one wants to buy their overpriced, poorly made cars-
anniekc on February 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM
And do not forget the union is in direct communication with Washington.
pat on February 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Actually I have to take that back; I believe there was a billion+ in the spending package for new Gov’t cars. (although I have to say, the city workers in our area all drive Toyota’s…)
anniekc on February 15, 2009 at 11:23 AM
This is exactly what I predicted. You’re right when you say Chapter 11 bankruptcy was created for this exact situation. My husband is a bankruptcy attorney and we’ve discussed this so many times. Chapter 11 voids all the contracts that are strapped to their feet like concrete blocks. At this point UAW is convinced GM management won’t declare bankruptcy so it will continue to weigh them down. I’d love to see GM’s management tell them to pound sand and declare bankruptcy, but they won’t. Stupidity got them this far and they’re not going to change course now.
Kim Priestap on February 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Karl Denninger posted this yesterday:
flyfisher on February 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM
I think everyone should keep their old cars and get them repaired as necessary by qualified mechanics who do quality work and charge reasonable rates.
Ahem.
Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM
The Dems love that GM is doing this. Now, the Dems can argue that the US economy is about to collapse if GM is not mollified with billions more in a bailout, and then they can run the same argument when the Dem anti-growth, anti-industry enviro-whack job laws come barreling down the pike. The Dems are going to strangle industry to death, but then transfer Treasury money to their unions by bailing those companies out as they become less and less competitive. When the unions have sucked up enough money to insure their votes for the next election and those companies no longer serve this purpose, the Dems will cut them free and let them fail – thereby taking over those industries to, again, avoid the collapse of the economy. Interestingly, the government will allow many “exceptions” for their government run companies to kill off any of the private concerns that are still floating around.
progressoverpeace on February 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result — or perhaps that’s the true definition of Hope and Change.
That right there folks, is why I have followed Captain Ed here to HA… Telling it like it is!
Keemo on February 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Can’t afford to? It is against his ideology to do so, and so the thought would never cross his mind. Recall that he was all for the bailout before he took office.
ProfessorMiao on February 15, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Why should the UAW concede?
They won!
More tax dollars, please.
artist on February 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Poker? LOL! More like a shell game. SUCKAHS!
Fletch54 on February 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM
It’s all irrelevant at this point; the die is cast, the US is itself heading toward financial ruin, and there’s little we can do about it. Sure, there will be more and more bailouts, and there will be ‘stimulus 2′ and ‘stimulus 3′, and the government will take over more and more of our industry (which, by the way, as Ledeen and Goldberg have said, in our case more closely resembles fascism than socialism). It’s all heading toward one endpoint now: the end of our country as we know it.
Americans really believe we can borrow trillions of dollars of extra debt in this financial climate without serious repercussions: We are a joke and have betrayed our ancestors.
blue13326 on February 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM
I bought a new Toyota 4WD Tacoma a few months ago. To hell with the UAW and their Marxist leadership.
Zorro on February 15, 2009 at 11:40 AM
This is all about Obama and the Dems continuing to buy the votes of UAW people with OUR money. This is just a specific example of what Dems and Big Government do constantly, buy votes with our tax money.
mydh12 on February 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM
With all this money going around why doesn’t the government give all citizens that make under 1 million dollar a check for a million dollars. That way we can all be rich buy cars and houses, when it’s gone is gone. No more. That will stimulate the economy and if your not responsible it sucks to be you.
Brat4life on February 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Obama is holding “fiscal responsibility” conference soon. Maybe he should invite GM. But of course, Obama has to learn some FR himself, first.
Wethal on February 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM
John F’in Kerry already commented on that. If you give the people the money directly, there’s no telling what they’ll spend it on.
We can’t have the people choosing what to do with their money, can we?
s/off
Wethal on February 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Speaking of can’t afford to… where does this money keep coming from? Our debts already surpass the world GDP. We can’t just keep printing money and not expect worse consequences, neither can we keep borrowing money, because our lenders will eventually wise up.
Tuari on February 15, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Either GM is going to double down…and see what sort of cajones the “gubmint” has (with an eye toward “gubmint” throwing more money their way, so as not to hurt the UAW rank and file…), or they will shut down all US production operations, keep their HQ in Detroit for the near term, and throw all available reserves into the few profit-making overseas GM operations…out of US government reach and well out of UAW reach.
Among other things, I collect old National Geographics. The auto maker ads in the 1920-29 magazines as compared to the 1940 magazines, as compared to the 1960 and 1980 magazines, shows that auto makers can go out of business, even major ones, and the world does not stop turning.
The UAW has been responsible for almost every collapse of or trauma to the US auto industry over the past 50-plus years…and we are still allowing them to call the shots?
If I were GM, I’d be trying to offshore everything, immediately, with an eye toward the Brazilian and China market…and let the UAW pound sand.
coldwarrior on February 15, 2009 at 11:46 AM
History repeats itself once again, as outdated and outmoded unions demand excessive wage and benefit packages ad infinitum. This is, in large part, what cratered the steel industry and drove production overseas.
And, eventually, the US automakers will have no choice but to shut down their US operations, and move their production operations completely overseas where their plants and factories are hugely successful and profitable due to contained labor costs.
In fact, GM seems to be planning to spend some of their bailout money, our tax dollars, in just such a manner:
http://tinyurl.com/64d7op
“General Motors to Invest $1 Billion in Brazil Operations”
And since government workers, and school/university employees, and airline industry workers can count on those “operations” remaining stateside, those unions will be able to continue their shenanigans into the unforseen future, until someone comes along and finally knocks some sense into them.
We are, constitutionally, guaranteed and equal opportunity to pursue life, liberty and happiness. What we are not guaranteed is jobs, high wages, outrageous benefits, and such. But the unions would completely undercut and even destroy our constitutional rights rather than tell their members the truth about what their abuse of those rights is doing to the job markets here.
Union workers should go talk to the old steel industry workers, and find out what happens when an industry shuts down due to abuse on all sides, unions and management alike.
KendraWilder on February 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Out of TARP originally. GM got its GM Financing subsidiary certified as a financial institution.
In the long run there are three sources:
1) Borrow it (treasury bonds, which China is less inclined to buy and Saudi Arabia doens’t have much oil money for nowadays)
2) Raise taxes (It’s the “fair share” doctrine the ONe talked about at the ABC debate)
3) Increase the money supply (Ben Bernanke starts up the printing presses and prints more money. (Can you say “Zimbabwe? Weimar Republic? Using dollars as kindling in the stove?)
Wethal on February 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM
They’ve already used millions of bailout money to increase Brazilian production.
Wethal on February 15, 2009 at 11:51 AM
There’s an interesting set of competing interests. Among other things, the UAW is fighting over retiree healthcare costs. Meanwhile, Obama is laying the groundwork to ration healthcare.
Has Obama promised to give UAW workers a “cut to the front of the line” status in his new brave world of health care coverage? A pass that Henrietta Jones and Julio will invariably be getting too?
BuckeyeSam on February 15, 2009 at 11:51 AM
They’re playing poker with someone else’s money. Ours.
ex-Democrat on February 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Inasmuch as the entire country is morphing into a socialistic, totalitarian regime, why not simply produce the “peoples care”, sell it at a fraction of its production costs and call it the “Obamoblie”. I know that wouldn’t be possible under the old capitalistic, free market paradigm, but that’s gone now.
rplat on February 15, 2009 at 12:05 PM
What ever cobbled-up, half-assed plan that is finally submitted by the Car Manufactures to Congress will eventually be accepted as being sufficient to release the next $17.4 billion.
This will be a little ‘dance’ that Washington will do to show us dumb taxpayers that they are looking out for us.
Uniblogger on February 15, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Yep, this is why I’m buying something other than a Ford, GM, or Chrysler next time. I just want the best product for the best price.
From a Constitutional perspective, how is private or corporate welfare covered under the enumerated powers? It obviously is not, but since the American public, as a whole, doesn’t care to understand, much less defend, the Constitution, such questions are a moot point.
Send_Me on February 15, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Get rid of the UAW and all of these carmaker’s (and taxpayer’s) problems go away.
No one should be guaranteed a job at an uneconomic company.
TexasJew on February 15, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Sometimes people want clarity, even if what they see is crap. If more people can clearly see that the Obama admin. doesn’t know what it’s doing and is utterly useless, other things will flow from that. Unfortunately, it will probably take these kinds of massive mistakes to break through the fog of Hope and Change.
JiangxiDad on February 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM
And who helped them win? Who beat back Corker and Shelby when they fought so hard to try to force UAW concessions? Why George W Bush, that’s who.
So, sadly, republicans can’t blame this debacle on Obama for at least a couple of years. Why on earth was GM so stupid that they didn’t file bankruptcy back in November? Maybe the Bush administration let them know that they wouldn’t be on GM’s side against the union like Reagan was when the ATC folks all went on strike.
funky chicken on February 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM
The ATC folks were US government public safety employees…who signed a pledge not to strike as a condition of employment.
Regardless…I would not blame GM at all if they shut down all US operationsand headed to more lucrative markets.
Who knows…maybe one or two of their Chinese or Brazilian models might sell better here in the US than their current crop of vehicles. Capitalism is about profit and free markets, not about being a quasi-social services organization run by the government and paid for by taxpayers and shareholders.
coldwarrior on February 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM
If GM had any brass, they would lock out the union and start hiring off the street. The union workers could come back and get hired without a contract (they would)and GM could promise them a little extra pay because of their experience.
GM could hire “security” for the new workers and bring back that old time religion!
Vince on February 15, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Tim!
Great suggestion. Of course, that only applies to American cars or trucks; which in turn means we’ll be back within 24 months to replace a worn-out, broken down vehicle (or American Automobile Manufacturer of your choice)
SeniorD on February 15, 2009 at 12:44 PM
I was riding around on my Harley last weekend and saw a new bright red Challenger SRT8 at Carl Burger Dodge in San Diego. Just for kicks, I stopped in and looked to see how much they were asking for it. I was thinking about buying one but decided I wouldn’t buy anything UAW when they started paying their pensions out of my taxes. The MSRP on the car was around $45000. The dealer was asking $60000. I laughed my butt off and rode away. What is it about the American auto industry that they just don’t seem to see when they are getting ridiculous. I am looking for a new car, but I don’t know what I’m going to get. Whatever it is, it will not put one dime in the UAW’s pocket.
Bikerken on February 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Until the unions are busted the future of this country is bleak. Rather it be today, next year or ten years from now. The auto industry needs to manufacture some Huevos, take their stand and back the unions either down or out.
Wade on February 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM
People need to understand that bankruptcy *IS* a bailout mechanism. Reorganization liquidates some debts, restructures others, gives the company protection against creditors. What it doesn’t offer protection for is stock and bond holders. That is who this “bailout” is really aimed at.
But it doesn’t matter if all the stock holders bail out anyway and the stock drops to zero. That is just as bad as reorganization wiping out the stock value so you haven’t really gained anything by simply propping up the house of cards for a few months.
crosspatch on February 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM
This whole bailout episodes reminds me of Hamburger Hill during the Vietnam War.
Kokonut on February 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM
+10
Secretary of Auto Production anyone?
BacaDog on February 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM
I hear, and I can’t really prove this because the stimulus package seems to be classified secret and is way too large to read in a lifetime, that in the stimulus package, there is a requirement that the much ballyhooed construction jobs rebuiling infrastructure, be given to unionized companies. Only about fifteen percent of the labor in the country is union. We already know that Obama is in the pocket of the unions, but can we really afford a dramatic increase in unionization in the U.S.? Can you imagine McDonalds being unionized. How does a $12 Big Mac sound?
Have we lost our minds to the point where we believe that EVERY job is a career and should pay you a retirement and benefits? What ever happened to entry level? This is what we get when we allow this country to be flooded with cheap labor. It used to be that teens went to work bagging groceries and flipping burgers for minimum wage and looked for real better paying work after getting out of school. This generation has grown up seeing adults in entry level unskilled jobs that expect to be paid like professionals who actually went to college and learned more valuable skills. They have seen illegals supporting families out of fast food jobs and they are losing the concept of higher skills deserving higher pay and benefits and are starting to accept the idea of equality of outcome and the entitlement mentality. This is whats making it easy for Obama to push his socialism on America. A whole generation has lost the knowledge that the American dream requires hard work, determination and self improvement and not just a pulse.
Bikerken on February 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Stop whining people. Be patriotic and dig deeper into your lint-filled pockets for the poor UAW working man. It’s your duty to Obama and Country.
To each according to his greed, from each according to Obama’s will.
Montana on February 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM
Not so! All these stimuli, bailouts, turds, or whatever you want to call them are kicking the can at least a decade down the road.
Absolutely! Bush/Obama is very close to emulating Hoover/Roosevelt.
burt on February 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result — or perhaps that’s the true definition of Hope and Change.”
Insanity? This is only the beginning. To quote The One, “We’ve only just started”.
And…should you have any objections, just remember, “I won”.
GarandFan on February 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Jimmy Hoffa unavailable for comment.
Wade on February 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM
The auto manufacturers should borrow investment money from the labor unions. Happy motoring!
ericdijon on February 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM
Let them fail.
Johan Klaus on February 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM
The problem with any automaker declaring bankruptcy is that warranty claims are the lowest level of claims on the company’s assets. If people aren’t buying their cars with a 100,000 mile warranty, why would they buy them with a 0 mile warranty? A special form of bankruptcy would have to be arranged in order for GM to continue to be able to sell the cars they produce, otherwise bankruptcy would mean a complete cessation of economic activity. Whether their first-mortgage bondholders would accept such terms remains to be seen.
hicsuget on February 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM
Is GM shovel ready yet, Obama?
eaglewingz08 on February 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM
That’s the Far Eastern manufacturers for you.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM
The fact of the matter at this point in the game is simply this; there is nothing that can be done for the automakers or any large business, or our economy in general, that will ‘save’ it without an extraordinary amount of pain felt by ALL.
The sooner people accept this the sooner we can start marching across the stream of acid to the other side and start the recovery.
The first thing that has to happen is dropping this stupid idea that the government has the answers and sock puppets adherence to Keynesian economics will somehow produce positive change.
Dump the liberals. They live in the 1920′s and 1930′s.
At this point I’m perfectly fine with saying Obama is NOT a patriotic American, this asshole sock puppet is purposely trying to destroy this country. The evidence is in his actions.
Spiritk9 on February 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM
Psst. Buick is one of the most popular vehicles in the Far East.
ericdijon on February 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM
Get rid of your Benedict Arnolds first. They are part of why we have our current administration.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 2:41 PM
How about the Unions buy GM? Then they can run it.
Wade on February 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM
Theirs have yet to be equipped with much more than a poky I-4 in a car body.
As for mine, it’s quite long in the tooth and Civic sized(early 90′s Regal GS coupe) – but I’d choose it over any of their “Buick” cars.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM
That won’t keep the legions of lawyers off their backs trying to break them.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM
Hey GM, here’s a restructuring plan…screw the UAW and move the f*** out of Michigan.
Oh yeah, and stop spending our tax dollars on your Brazilian plant. Thanks.
CP on February 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM
I made this point months ago. When every Rust Belt Democrat made the “money is no object” argument during the floor debate on the auto bailout, they were setting themselves up to have to pay more. The auto execs could stick that money in the garters of every stripper from Sparrows Point to Grosse Pointe and Congress would have to up the ante, because the Big 3 cannot fail — no matter what.
They’ve hung a “Kick Me” sign on the U.S. Treasury.
DrSteve on February 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM
You mean – we can finally mention the elephant in the kitchen – right?
ericdijon on February 15, 2009 at 2:58 PM
Unfortunately you’re going to get a deafening NO should it be to a RTW state.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Well, I know they won’t move out of Michigan to a RTW state, but they should. That’s why they have these problems. All their competitors have moved to the South.
CP on February 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Or a bankrupt Government.
Just wait – California is on the verge of default.
izoneguy on February 15, 2009 at 3:02 PM
The GM brass is getting ready to flee the country if no more bail-out money is coming. The money the Feds have given them is probably overseas and the US taxpayer is screwed. GM could give a shit about the UAW.
izoneguy on February 15, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Honda, a maker of golf carts that often sport misplaced VTEC stickers and oversized wings still has an Ohio presence, a very pro-union state.
As for the rest:
They merely arrived to the South, they didn’t move there from the North.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM
There are ways to get their destination countries to cooperate in repatriating the assets with the US Government.
sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 3:07 PM
GM isn’t spending any US taxpayer money in Brazil. There was a single report on one South American web site back in November. GM immediately denied it. I contacted the writer and editor of the story about GM’s denial and he never responded. GM says that their Brazilian operations are funded from funds already allocated as well as local Brazilian sources.
rokemronnie on February 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM
If southern RTW states are such business havens why did the southern textile and furniture industries collapse in the face of foreign competition?
Japanese and German companies located their facilities in the south for a number of reasons. A major factor was gaining political power vis a vis the Detroit automakers and the UAW.
rokemronnie on February 15, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Would you please tell my wife?
She screams every time I spend any money repairing my 1990 van.
oldleprechaun on February 15, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Foreign textile labor is cheaper.
Southern auto labor is cheaper.
CP on February 15, 2009 at 3:34 PM
You know GM wouldn’t be in this mess if it had brought over some of their diesel sedans from Europe. Many diesel cars can get outstanding gas mileage, that’s why many VW and Mercedes diesels have such high resale value.
If GM, Ford or Chrysler had a diesel sedan, I probably would have bought one, instead of waiting 3 months for a new VW TDI Jetta. There’s tax incentives as diesels are considered alternative, and some states, like CT, don’t charge sales tax on alternative/high mileage vehicles.
Remember, Ford had a diesel Escort in the mid 80′s that got 50 MPG. Of course it probably couldn’t make it up a hill, but the technology was there and proven. The car manufacturers wouldn’t have to wait years for battery technology to get up to speed.
If VW, BMW, and Mercedes Benz could all jump through the enviro-wacko rules to get their clean diesel sedans on the road, why couldn’t the big 3? Accura and Audi are also supposed to have diesels here soon.
Iblis on February 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM
She may have a point. If the repairs are less than $300 a month then she is more embarrased than she is frugal.
On the other hand, did you get historical plates for it yet?
ericdijon on February 15, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Erich, if you are holding a bad hand and you can’t bluff your opponent (because the dems have their backs) you fold.
Harpoon on February 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM
They better take what they can. In the not too distant future, GM will stand for Government Motorcar. Your one stop shop for government issue cars.
oakpack on February 15, 2009 at 4:11 PM
I listened as some Liberal Nutjob
on hannity and colms suggested
Hey why not just take all of those retirees
just tell them OOPS sorry
YOu dont have that nice american health care now..
YOu have OBABA care..
Just like obamas brother still living in a HUT..
They all VOTED for the Democrats BUT
Now that they are findout that
THEIR own healthcare is going to be taken away
THEIR own paychecks are going to be ripped off
OHHH NOW all of a sudden these liberals get religion?
IM sorry i could have forseen this one..
YOU IDIOTS you voted for him
You voted for the God damn liberals
Now get ready
Because Barney franks is comming
FOR YOU..
jcila on February 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Government spending = insanity
Private spending = sane
Which would you prefer? The sad part is, it is OUR elected representatives who have done this to us. Grr!
Mojave Mark on February 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM
In a sane world GM would have gone Chapter 11 last year. But the Dems have to protect the UAW and will regardless of the cost. One can only hope that this time GM bit’s the bullet and does it. They could break the UAW and reorganize as a viable company again.
duff65 on February 15, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Well that first series of bailouts accomplished a lot. About as much as porkulus will do. I talked with some other folks today, they were adamant that porkulus would not work. Most were business people, some were employees.
The answer, cut taxes fast, deep and now. And even that may not work.
tarpon on February 15, 2009 at 5:29 PM
I’m so disgusted and demoralized.
ronsfi on February 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM
ronsfi on February 15, 2009 at 5:31 PM
ericdijon on February 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM
s/b:
The good news is I doubt you are actually demoralized. Massively disappointed perhaps, but not demoralized.
(laying down – laptop on wobbly belly)
ericdijon on February 15, 2009 at 5:39 PM
I was against bankrupcty because of the uncertainty it would create among consumers (like me). But with the Dems in control of all three branches of government, it now looks like the only reasonable solution.
njcommuter on February 15, 2009 at 5:55 PM
Since Obama became President all I ever hear now is “I told you so” or “I told you this would happen”. Can we really wait for the Republican Party to stand up or are we to expect the Auto Industry to be nationalized just like Lindsey Graham wants for our Banks
alternative failures on February 15, 2009 at 5:58 PM
I am still amazed at how fast our federal government has lost it’s collective mind. In the space of 6 months we’ve completely redefined the role of the feds as defined by our founding fathers and honored for 223 yrs. Scarey times…
Wine_N_Dine on February 15, 2009 at 6:58 PM
By By, GM. Gee, we hardly knew ya.
notagool on February 15, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Union greed has destroyed other American industries; why not autos, too?
jgapinoy on February 15, 2009 at 7:01 PM
Always willing to make predictions I suggest the following:
GM and Chrysler will go into a ‘government backed re-organization’. As a part of the reorganization, the UAW will become the new management. The US taxpayers will become the new ‘money’ behind the UAW. The UAW will direct whatever funding is necessairy to ‘take care of their retirees’. The US congress will direct the UAW to make ‘the new cars of the future’ as defined by the Obama appointed Auto Czar.
The cars produced by this new federal auto company will be ‘financially unsuccessfull’ and will require annual government payments in the same manner as AMTRACK.
The US Taxpayer will continue to fund this mess until they finally elect representatives that actually care about them more than all of the various special interests that will be formed around these GSE’s!
Socialism does have predictable endings.
Freddy on February 15, 2009 at 7:25 PM
The same thing is happening with the bailouts of various state government budgets–rewarding bad behavior only reinforces it, assures its repetition, and delays the inevitable day of reckoning to no one’s benefit and to the detriment of all of us and our beloved country.
When will our government start behaving like Americans?
hillbillyjim on February 15, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Here’s an “artists’ rendering” of what Quality Control will look like in Freddy’s predicted Obama-autotopia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRX7E0yZxh0
darkpixel on February 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM
In a sane system, the consumer bails out companies by buying the worthwhile products they produce.
If they fail to make desirable goods, they start to lose customers, and, either adapt or go under.
Why should our taxes be hi-jacked to try to futilely change the fundamental reality of “supply and demand”?
Let the consumers vote with their wallets, don’t steal our money in order to prop up these economically-obtuse zombies.
profitsbeard on February 16, 2009 at 12:00 AM
The irony is Ford get punished with a competitive disadvantage for doing the right thing by not taking bailout money and trying to reform their business.
Once the other two get bailout money they will always be ahead of Ford on a cost basis.
cyclosarin on February 16, 2009 at 2:37 AM
Wasn’t Gettlefinger all contrite back in the fall when they got their first extortion payment, despite that the majority of Americans were strongly opposed to it? I believe he said the UAW would be willing to make concessions. We can see how long that lasted. I grew up in a union town. It is this brand of arrogant hubris that was responsible for shutting down factories and sending them to the South were labor was cheaper and non-union. It’s only in the last five or ten years that the town is starting to recover. For that alone, unions will NEVER have my support.
When is it going to be time to dump 10 tons worth of tea bags on the steps of the Capitol building and the White House lawn? This train wreck is just going to keep speeding out of control until we physically rise up and insist that it stop.
NoLeftTurn on February 16, 2009 at 3:55 AM
Support the Free Market, buy foreign cars.
Snake307 on February 16, 2009 at 5:01 AM
Hungry?
Eat your union card.
hawkdriver on February 16, 2009 at 7:40 AM
This could turn out to be Obama’s ‘Air Traffic Controller’ moment. If he throws the UAW under the bus, this guy gains instant credibility with many middle-of-the-roaders. This political support would allow him to make much broader steps with his social programs than he may want to chance now. Besides, look at how many newly unemployed autoworkers there will be to be taken care of.
OldeSCfan on February 16, 2009 at 9:32 AM
I suppose working at a honda dealership disqualifies me from comment, but i feel the need anyway.
I believe GM will be broken up into viable parts by a bankruptcy judge, and the UAW will be told to go get bent.That union has done everything it could to suck the blood out of GM and it succeeded in bankrupting its lifesource, the shareholders of GM. Watch for the Great Union Bailout of 2009,as the next piece of legislation to get rammed
up our assthrough Congress without anyone reading it.UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on February 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM
To tell ya thruth folks, WE”RE JUST ABOUT DONE!
No other country in the history of the world can sustain this garbage and still exist in it’s original pretense! Perhaps we could improve the Constitution so left wing idiots cannot read between the lines!
We had a helluva run, but I fear the time has come for us to fraction into several small countries with a military treaty among those willing to fund it. I’ll leave the geography to you. Doesn’t take much imagination to figure out borders.
AllosaursRus on February 16, 2009 at 2:41 PM
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