DBD: Any Bravehearticans out there?

posted at 9:47 am on February 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Hot Air readers know that I’m a big fan of Day by Day, the conservative cartoon created by Chris Muir, and today he offers one of his best entries.  Chris borrows from Braveheart today to wonder if Republicans feel like fighting a rising tide of statist economic politics:

To be fair, the Republicans did do a remarkable job in fighting Porkulus, the first step towards the “state allocated bed”; out of 219 members of Congress, only 3 Republicans voted to support it. Unfortunately, it was the three that counted in the Senate, but given the amount of political pressure in this economic crisis, Republican leadership did a good job of holding the line.

But Chris’ point goes beyond Capitol Hill.  If we expect to regain ground in the midterms, we need to start organizing now, committing to candidates, and putting in some hard work.  Twitter helps, but it doesn’t replace door-knocking, phone-calling, and fundraising.


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Day by Day is one of my favorite cartoons. They have been on the mark with there wit, and insight.

Dasher on February 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Chris Muir is simply brilliant.

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GT on February 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM

The house is where we should focus. The blue dogs are on the griddle.

tarpon on February 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

That was great! And sums up our situation pretty well.

conservnut on February 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM

For all of the talk over the last few years of too many RINOs in our party, the GOP did great in the last couple of weeks.

jgapinoy on February 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Allah’s the one offerin’ to ‘twitter’, right?

ExTex on February 15, 2009 at 10:08 AM

but it doesn’t replace door-knocking, phone-calling, and fundraising.

Er … until it is illegal for our side to carry out these activities … Isn’t that the point of this cartoon?

progressoverpeace on February 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM

ExTex on February 15, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Right after he finishes his latte.

Fletch54 on February 15, 2009 at 10:11 AM

We all need to make sure people in our individual little worlds see the entire picture. I’ve been fairly successful in pointing out to some people who voted for Obama that his Democrat party is the party that is openly supported by American communists, socialists, anarchists, radical gays, radical environmentalists, corrupt unions, open border proponents, race baiters, etc. They’re usually pretty quiet after I rattle off this list.

Patrick S on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Just as long as Chris Muir did not channel drunk Gibson and doesn’t go off on the Jooooooos and inquiring about womns’ sugar…

Mr. Joe on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

In Braveheart, it was the leaders, the nobles who were advocating peace with the enemy; the common men are the ones who showed up on the battlefield to fight. In the end they turned on the common man and allowed to them to be defeated.

Who is the GOP version of Robert the Bruce?

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

I agree…the Senate is too old-boys-club. Fight for the House, and the rest will fall.

JohnTant on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

I will never submit. Period. Bring it ya commies

bbz123 on February 15, 2009 at 10:15 AM

I could twitter about it

Classic.

I don’t get it. I think we are the ones who would be willing to fight if things went completely to hell and some sort of revolt started.

If the Russina invaded we’d fight them. If al-Qaeda was on an airplane we’d risk our lives to stop them instead of cowering in fear or trying to placate the terrorists.

…but we won’t protest or get off our couches to stop this Obamination of an administration.

I’m still going to my state capitol tomorrow with a ‘honk against the stimulus’ sign or something.

It’s a small act – but I think the majority of people are looking for even the smallest outlet of expressing their outrage.

I took up an opposing corner to an anti-Prop 8 demonstrator in an impromptu act and I got a hell of a lot more support then the other guy. People went out of their way to pass by and show their support or express thanks.

It can be a very enjoyable experience. Don’t look like a hateful liberal, play to the crowd, flash a smile. You might be surprised at the support you get.

Mr Purple on February 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM

If it’s going to be movie analogies, couldn’t you use LOTR instead, Allah?

I can think of quite a few demorats and liberals who resemble Orcs, some in looks and some in actions. Ok, quite a few in looks.

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM

They can have my twitter when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!

wccawa on February 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM

The women of Chris Muir’s Day by Day are hoter than the E-Insurance girl and dare I say…my first love…Blondie?

But I digress.

I am proud of the GOP on what they did. Did you catch the opening of SNL last night? It was portraying GOP leadership of dirty tricks and focusing on Obama’s kids trying to have slumber party (think of the waste in snacks and the wear and tear those girls will cause to the White House). The battle is on and we better be prepared to communicate and fight about ideas.

We are in the wilderness right now for a reason and many do not trust the GOP. We will have to earn that trust back.

Mr. Joe on February 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM

Several posters have mentioned a work stoppage, filing IRS returns on time, but witholding payment for later, and setting payroll witholding to minimums. It requires some organization and publicity. Blogs like HA and Malkins site could get it started. Why isn’t it taking root? Because the cartoon really reflects reality?

a capella on February 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Does Chris Muir have a book out of “Day by Day”? I’d buy that in a second.

Yossarian on February 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM

I agree…the Senate is too old-boys-club. Fight for the House, and the rest will fall.

JohnTant on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

The problem is the mathematics. There is a 80 seat difference in the House. That’s a tough swing.
The Senate is better, but we still have more seats to defend than they do (19-17).

Trent1289 on February 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Bishop, NRO had a feature on the 25 best conservative films. LOTR was one. They quoted this:

When Frodo sighs, “I wish none of this had happened,” Gandalf’s response speaks to us, too: “So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.”

Wethal on February 15, 2009 at 10:23 AM

If there were any fairness in the media, Muir would be syndicated to every periodical in the country. As it is with Conservative humor, it get generally panned by the lib elites. He makes Doomsberry look sophomoric.

hawkdriver on February 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM

This guy has his finger on my pulse!

We should be taking to the streets and shutting things down.

Instead?

We can send emails!

Result: TRILLION dollar Democrat special interest funding bill!

YAY!

The right is timid, disorganized and without leadership.

Result: America’s death.

But hey, we’ll “get them” in 2010!

artist on February 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM

Good points Ed. I hate to say it but you almost sound like my wife. She’s has been growing increasingly angry over the Marxist takeover of the country. Recently I mentioned something I read here and she said “it’s cute you guys are talking about the burning issues on the internet…..now when in the hell are YOU going to start doing more than simply talking about the problems? What action plan do you have to start making change?” Ouchie……that day I emailed my state repub party leader and am waiting to hear back from him. It’s time for every conservative to get off his/her ass and get in the game. Waiting for the repub party to show us something is not a productive alternative.

David in ATL on February 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Blogs like HA and Malkins site could get it started. Why isn’t it taking root? Because the cartoon really reflects reality?

a capella on February 15, 2009 at 10:21 AM

Yup.

Last week I heard Billy Cunningham say he was going to contact either Rush or Shawn and try to put together an executive session of all major talkers, to discuss a new strategy.

I say, what’s the hurry, take your time.

The

bill

already

passed.

Well, there is MORE on the way.

artist on February 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

David in ATL on February 15, 2009 at 10:27 AM

Your wife is 100% correct.

The problem is we need a strong activist leader and we don’t have one.

I can’t believe in the face of a TRILLION dollar socialist bill, our response was CALL the RINO’s!

artist on February 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Who is the GOP version of Robert the Bruce?

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Ohh, good one!

McVain?

Sphincter?

Gramnisty?

Snowe?

Sorry the list is too long, Braveheart didn’t have this many allies enemies.

conservnut on February 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM

…door-knocking, phone-calling, and fundraising.

The tricky part is overcoming the growing number of underachievers, the base of the Dem’s. Unless there is a concurrent campaign to raise one’s own self above slacker status, underachievers will swell the Dem’s ranks. There is a fundamental and polar difference between earning a living and having a decent income; slackers expect decent incomes – and more – but have no desire to earn anything.

ericdijon on February 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Still down here in NoVa/DC, in the belly of the beast, and though I haven’t found too many conservatives around these parts, I have had a few stimulating conversations among the limosine-liberal and radical chic crowd about the stimulus.

Haven’t found anyone who agrees 100% with all the pork and garbage included, but I have found quite a number who agree with major segments, not all the same segments, but enough to carry the bill into law.

If anyone remembers the anti-war movement of the 1960′s-70′s, the anti-war crowd was able to fuse all sorts of different groups into one fairly visible and powerful political force…but once Saigon fell, that unity just disappeared, all those groups who supported the anti-war crowd expected these folks to back their green-earth, pro-gay, anti-whatever efforts. Instead they all went their separate ways, until re-united again to go after BushCheneyhitler years and years later.

Well, the “war” on capitalism is what has now unified all these groups once again.

This is how the Obama/Dems were able to win over fellow Dems and a lot of what I used to consider intelligent citizens, including at least three Republicans, because in one or two paragraphs of this abortion these folks found something they really liked or really really wanted…and were more than willing to let everyone else get what they wanted, so long as their own favorite program made the final cut.

Rahm Emmanuel was right…in times of crisis, try to get everything you want to get…because once the crisis has passed, people will start to look at the fine print or ask questions about the details, hence all the fake “urgency” we’ve heard about over the past three weeks of the Obama Administration.

There was/is NO pressing economic meltdown due to begin this coming week or even next month…it was all about generating a “crisis” and keeping America in crisis mode…to get pork and special programs and a lot of crap that would have never survived debate in the well of the House or Senate.

As we figure out how to pay for this stimulus, or how to explain to our kids how we allowed this to happen…remember always, America, we were played the Chicago Way.

coldwarrior on February 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

In a way I can understand how an average citizen who doesn’t have a radio or tv gig, or is well-known in conservative circles might be hesitant to raise hell.

Look what the MSM jackalopes did to JTP. We knew everything about the man within a week of him questioning the greatness of the Black Jesus; they tore him to shreds and made his personal life front page news.

Your average dumbass lib doesn’t care, they have no shame anyway, now more than ever. A terrorist sympathizer just got elected as POTUS, whatever you might find in the background of some ranting lib wouldn’t mean shat, they would take it as a badge of honor.

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

There is a fundamental and polar difference between earning a living and having a decent income; slackers expect decent incomes – and more – but have no desire to earn anything.

Exxxxxactly. How are we going to overcome a generation of morons who expect to be company VP’s a month after they get hired to work in the mailroom? Ogabe’s new Disastrulous Plan is going to swell their ranks by millions, an army of deadheads who are going to feel entitled to anything they desire.

The welfare provisions alone are going to guarantee that a willing mass of losers and malcontents are always available to do the ‘rats bidding.

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Look at it this way, every man, woman and child in America has just been sent an UNitemized credit card bill for ~$6600. If you don’t pay up, the Government will confiscate the money and you will still go to jail.

Looking back at my life, I realize the Government has NEVER helped me. It’s become tyrant around the neck of every American looking to live under The Constitution.

I say we need to take our Country back.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

My representatives (my voice) was barred from this travesty foisted upon us. We fought a war over “taxation without representation.”

SoldiersMom on February 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM

I’m ready to fight. I would just be a soldier, but I have to do this for my 4 children. I want them to have an America that isn’t socialist. I feel down, not quite hopeless, but I think my anger can carry me (and our movement) far. Just say when.

ckdexterhaven on February 15, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Taxes, taxes, taxes, we feed the

willing mass of losers and malcontents

The simple act of changing ones W2 should be our first shot across the bow of the USS Socalist.

dmann on February 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM

I think the Republican Party is more similar to Piers Gaveston getting tossed out the window…

darclon on February 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM

If it’s going to be movie analogies, couldn’t you use LOTR instead, Allah?

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:16 AM

1. The post was put up by Ed, not AP.
2. The cartoon is Chris Muir’s Day By Day, not a Hot Air ‘toon.

flipflop on February 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I’ve visited williamsburg a couple of times. The tone of what I’m hearing lately is sounding more and more like what I would have expected to hear in a williamsburg tavern in 1773 or so.

bullseye on February 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM

“I could twitter about it”

Or I could add a comment to a blog about it.
*Sigh.*

albill on February 15, 2009 at 11:05 AM

I can’t believe in the face of a TRILLION dollar socialist bill, our response was CALL the RINO’s!

artist on February 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

One thing I’ve learned from studying history is that “Rome wasn’t built in a day”. Things take time to build. Anecdotally, all of the stories I’m seeing show that Dems are worried the stimulus won’t work and the Dems who aren’t completely gung-ho socialists think the bill has a tremendous amount of waste. Conversely, I don’t know of any Republicans who are taking a “second look at Democrats” as a result of this bill. Reid, Pelosi and Obama have gambled that America wants extreme socialism (or, that once it has it, it’ll want it or won’t be able to reverse it). I think that assumption is false, but the outcome won’t be known right away because people have not yet had to deal with the consequences of the bill.

venividivici on February 15, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Oh, this stimulus is only the beginning. There’s TARP II, the “Fairness” doctrine, health care, and the actual budget hasn’t even come up yet. We’ve got many, many battles ahead of us. What concerns me is the level of disourse on the other side. The lunacy at democratunderground is getting worse – they are actually wanting to kill republicans over there. I kid you not. Things are going to get much worse before they get any better. And we had better be prepared to stand and fight if we want to keep this country free.

jdawg on February 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM

1. The post was put up by Ed, not AP.
2. The cartoon is Chris Muir’s Day By Day, not a Hot Air ‘toon.
flipflop on February 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM

My bad. Now that football season is over and the Destroy America season is in full swing, I have problems focusing.

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Wow. How true.

Major Nuisance on February 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM

coldwarrior on February 15, 2009 at 10:38 AM

You aren’t alone; also here in the DC area.

Red State State of Mind on February 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM

The house is where we should focus. The blue dogs are on the griddle.

tarpon on February 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

My ‘dream’ is that many of the Blue Dogs get disgusted and bolt to the Republican party….

Red State State of Mind on February 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I could take the cartoon more seriously if they weren’t so hellbent on sticking half-naked women into pretty much every single comic strip. But I guess that’s the artist’s style.

jimmy the notable on February 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

“Will you fight?”

Before we fight we must be organized. Until we start organizing local, state and national resistance … fighting anything is out of the question.

darwin on February 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I am an old mac here-I feel this cartoon is brilliant. My family gained and lost land,castles, and lives fighting for freedom. I am from and married into a long line of warriors. We cannot stand by and watch this country die. We are looking for a hero while we should be taking measures outside the norms(legally) to build and solidify our numbers.

I’m ready to fight. I would just be a soldier, but I have to do this for my 4 children. I want them to have an America that isn’t socialist. I feel down, not quite hopeless, but I think my anger can carry me (and our movement) far. Just say when.

ckdexterhaven on February 15, 2009 at 10:54 AM

Im with you-lets roll!

canditaylor68 on February 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM

darwin on February 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

I think Michael Steele is going to be doing just that. In the meantime, we need to flood these congress critters with letters, emails and phone calls and let them know we did not vote for soviet-style marxism, and we will stand against it.

jdawg on February 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM

Who is the GOP version of Robert the Bruce?

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Me.

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on February 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM

No foundation, a house of cards.
No base, the party will fall too.
Real rocket science, what is it that the rinos just don’t get?

jims on February 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM

What concerns me is the level of disourse on the other side. The lunacy at democratunderground is getting worse – they are actually wanting to kill republicans over there. I kid you not. Things are going to get much worse before they get any better. And we had better be prepared to stand and fight if we want to keep this country free.

jdawg on February 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Of course it will get worse before it gets better. That has to be taken as a given. Let them make their move, just like the South did before the Civil War. I’m betting it will work out just as well for the Dems. What are they going to kill us with? Throwing copies of The Collected Works of Karl Marx at us?

venividivici on February 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM

venividivici on February 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM

Granted, there are probably more gun owners on our side, but we tend to be rational. These people are raving mad and given the chance would probably do or use just about anything. What’s more dangerous is they own the gov’t now, which means they can use the force of the gov’t to do pretty much what they want, and they’ll overreach like they always do.

jdawg on February 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM

More clothes than usual in that Day-by-Day. DBD gives a whole new meaning to the term comic “strip”.

PackerBronco on February 15, 2009 at 11:23 AM

The state of mind on the left these days:

Democratic Underground: ‘The Republican Party Needs to Be Eliminated’

These people are deranged.

jdawg on February 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM

The problem is nothing can turn back the clock, what is done, is done. When it comes to a government program somebody famous said it was the closet thing to a perpetual motion machine there is.
Even though the Dems managed to roll back the welfare reform parts, which is just more bad news, I somehow doubt that 2 years from now anything in this package will be able to be repealed.

Just A Grunt on February 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM

My bad. Now that football season is over and the Destroy America season is in full swing, I have problems focusing.

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Heh…I feel your pain.

flipflop on February 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM

It’s a good post, Ed, and I think it points out a dilemma that I have been pondering for the past few weeks. Yes, there is the need to organize and revolt against the things that are going on. The problem is, what approach is really going to work?

I don’t believe we can use the same strategy that worked for the opposition. The very thing we are trying to protect also works against us. Most of us have too many responsibilities to take time off for a “million man march” sort of demonstration. We have too much to lose to resort to civil disobedience. If you are an non-working loser who already has a police record, you can involve yourself in a lot more disruption than someone who has to think twice about it.
As far as technology, yeah, there are a few of us geeks, but I’d guess that not many folks over thirty-five really pay much attention to Twitter and Facebook posts.

I would guess that the typical Hot Air reader pretty much does what I do. Read the news, get pissed, read Hot Air and feel somewhat comforted that other are pissed, then talk about it with other folks who already agree with us and are pissed too. Maybe we’ll try to talk with some of the democrats we know about how bad things are, and maybe we’ll even get a few of them to agree with us. But remember, most of them are sheep who aren’t going to do anything about it without some sort of “movement” to follow.
Our primary means of objecting to what the politicians are doing is to call or write our representatives to let them know how we feel. That has been the most effective way for busy, responsible people to make change happen. That avenue is mostly gone- not completely, but mostly, and it no longer seems like enough.

I don’t know the answer, hence the dilemma, but there are a few things that could help. A little more thoughtful direction from our conservative pundits would be good for a start. Don’t just tell us we need to become more active, we already know that. Be more specific and offer ways that a responsible person can effectively make a difference.
I think a clearinghouse type of website would also be very useful. Something along the lines of the StimulusWatch.org site would be great, giving a list of actions that could be taken and whether they are being effective or not. Something online that lists local events being put together so we can schedule attending.
I believe that if we are going to organize, our approach has to be one that suits “our” type of individual, not the “let’s get everyone together for a party at the White House” tactic.

dinobalz on February 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM

dinobalz on February 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Agreed. I have been spending a great deal of time writing, emailing and calling Congress-critters, but it seems to make no difference. These people simply do not care what we think. The best thing we can do is pray for our country, then use grassroots methods to get good candidates into office.

jdawg on February 15, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Well hot-diggity-damn.

Sparks.

About time for those comfy chairs in the House to be replaced with pointy sticks.

Limerick on February 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM

dinobalz on February 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Most of us have too many responsibilities to take time off for a “million man march” sort of demonstration. We have too much to lose to resort to civil disobedience.

Everyone I know who is still employed, is talking about possibly losing their job. I work in chemical manufacturing. We’re operating at historical low capacities right now and have been that way since early Dec. There are no signs that sales will improve. How long can companies operate this way and maintain their current manning? Not long, I’ll wager. Once more the middle class become unemployed and struggle to find jobs, they’ll become “active.”

Heaven help Government once the working middle class starts losing their jobs in droves. Maybe Obama has forseen this and that’s why he talked about forming a “Civilian National Security Force.”

http://conservablogs.com/bluecollarmuse/2008/11/07/obamas-civilian-national-security-force-update/

SoldiersMom on February 15, 2009 at 12:11 PM

IF IT WASN’T SO FRIGHTENING, I WOULD LAUGH (borrowed from rightwingnuthouse.com)

Mark30339 on February 15, 2009 at 12:13 PM

The RINOs are besotted by power, just like their Dhimm counterparts.

Here’s an exact quote from a congressperson that I know personally (not well): “I LOVE IT!” (being a congresscritter).

And why not? It’s the best thing to rubbing Aladdin’s lamp in the real world.

All on our backs and money. They want to be just like the Brussel elites in the European Union. Where’s Piglosi now? Jetted to Italy. Hanoi Jhon Kerry. Barry Soetoro. The Klintoons. McLame. ALL OF THEM.

Just what the Founders warned us against: a monarchial class.

Kennedys begetting Kennedys. Booshes begetting Booshes. Klintoons begetting Klintoons.

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on February 15, 2009 at 12:24 PM

Most of us have too many responsibilities to take time off for a “million man march” sort of demonstration. We have too much to lose to resort to civil disobedience.

I used to think like this, but you know, we really have to be ready to die for your country to fight this scourge.

Yeah, we might have to miss American Idol.

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on February 15, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Heaven help Government once the working middle class starts losing their jobs in droves. Maybe Obama has forseen this and that’s why he talked about forming a “Civilian National Security Force.”

No, this is what the “camps” are for:

Bill creates detention camps in U.S. for ‘emergencies’

ex-Democrat on February 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM

I don’t believe we can use the same strategy that worked for the opposition. The very thing we are trying to protect also works against us. Most of us have too many responsibilities to take time off for a “million man march” sort of demonstration. We have too much to lose to resort to civil disobedience. If you are an non-working loser who already has a police record, you can involve yourself in a lot more disruption than someone who has to think twice about it.

And thanks for pointing out, inadvertently, exactly why Ed and other conservatives are so confused about the lack of an organized conservative resistance. For the last 40 years your side confused people who took time out of their day after/before work to engage in social protest/organizing with “slackers” who “had no responsibilities.” Which is of course the dumbest thing ever. The people who went to the mall on washington for “jobs and justice” wanted “jobs and justice.” The people who worked for access to healthcare for their families…had families. Women who organized for equal wages, had jobs, they just weren’t being paid equally. By refusing to accept that these were everyday Americans with legitimate grievances you went so far to demonize social protest in general. Calling people “disruptive” and “rabble rousers” and “unpatriotic” made engaging in our birthright of social protest seem less than respectable. And now your side doesn’t really know what to do, because you’ve been comfortable and you thought that because you were pro-corporations that corporations were pro-you. They were always pro-themselves and now they are lining up to suck on the government teat just like the “welfare moms” you used to demonize. Time to eat some crow and take some cues from real protest movements which were always made up of people who had jobs…they just took their extra time organizing instead of watching TV.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 15, 2009 at 12:37 PM

The people who went to the mall on washington for “jobs and justice” wanted “jobs and justice.”to take money out of other people’s pockets.

Dude, I mean if you don’t understand that, you don’t understand anything about politics. That’s why government is called a “necessary evil” not a “necessary good”. You know those books that people publish that describe events that took place before you were born? You should try reading some of them.

venividivici on February 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Dude, I mean if you don’t understand that, you don’t understand anything about politics. That’s why government is called a “necessary evil” not a “necessary good”. You know those books that people publish that describe events that took place before you were born? You should try reading some of them.

venividivici on February 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Wow, have you gotten so desperate that you’re even going where most conservatives won’t go, demonizing the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Justice where MLK delivered his famous I Have a Dream Speech. Or, because you only read revisionist right wing versions of the Civil Rights Movement you only think that MLK called for a benign equality before the law and hiring practice that allows you to claim he would have been against affirmative action. The 1963 March on Washington was a march for economic justice. It was primarily composed of African Americans from the urban north who had jobs but were denied access to anythingbut the lowest form of urban labor, janitors, street sweeps etc.

The March was called the march for “jobs and justice” for a reason. It wasn’t because people wanted to “take money” from anyone, they wanted access to the same economic opportunities as anyone else and though you may want to pretend that the only racism in this country was in the Jim Crow south, but an actual investigation of history shows you woefully underinformed. Marches in Chicago and Washington, D.C. and Boston were not for “welfare” they were for access to fair housing, against redlining and for opening access to urban unions up to non-white male laborers, yes laborers people who wanted to work.

But this is exactly the point. You don’t know the history of social protest in this country so of course your side will never be able to actually do it. Take your cues from the pro-life crowd, they get it. Sadly, they kind of don’t care about these matters of fiscal conservatism or socialism all that much and your allegiance to them will alienate others. Study some social movement history and good luck! I’ll be on the picketline opposing TARP II on Wall Street on April 3-4th along with other people commnitted to not allowing banks to control our government, join us…or not.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM

To be fair, the Republicans did do a remarkable job in fighting Porkulus, the first step towards the “state allocated bed”; out of 219 members of Congress, only 3 Republicans voted to support it. Unfortunately, it was the three that counted in the Senate, but given the amount of political pressure in this economic crisis, Republican leadership did a good job of holding the line.

I’m sorry they did no such thing. The three Senators who caused the largest theft and welfare bill to be passed, with untold damages to come not to mention more than a trillion in interest alone, are still in the party.

These three Senators have now emasculated 49% of the American people going forward. The Dems no longer need Repubs. They have a trillion dollars and there will always be Collins, Snowe and Specter to cast their votes with the Dems on future bills. These three need to be taken out and tarred and feathered and cast out of the party.

Had they not given their vote the bill would have went down in flames along with the hubris of Pelosi, Reid and Obama. Now they are mocking Repubs instead.

The only thing I am left with is Specter saying that repubs secretly agreed with him. That actually makes the most sense since there has been no outrage concerning this vote. Remember they voted twice for this.

patrick neid on February 15, 2009 at 12:58 PM

“but given the amount of political pressure in this economic crisis, Republican leadership did a good job of holding the line.”

The Republicans get no praise for holding a line that they should never have had to hold in the first place.

watson007 on February 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I don’t really care all that much about MLK and didn’t have him specifically in mind when I replied. I look at things from the broadest historical perspective possible, not just US history. Within that historical perspective, I look at individual rights and how they are treated within a given country’s political framework. Do you think the founders of this country just threw a dart at a dartboard and it happened to hit the circle marked “limited government with a bias toward protecting individual rights”? No, they looked at all other extant systems of government and by a process of deduction concluded that limited government would be the least harmful.

That said, I don’t think it was a coincidence that the era that saw civil rights legislation being passed also saw an expansion of government agencies to enforce those rights and enter into other areas of daily life, culminating in Nixon’s “we are all Keynesians now” crap. It is also pretty much a historical fact that the civil rights movement was rife with Communists and Communist sympathizers, so whatever good came of it also came with a load of bad.

The modern Democratic party is filled with people who think they are somehow “undervalued”, which is a load of crap. If you don’t have something, it’s because you don’t deserve to have it, either at that particular point in time or possibly ever. Our human capital markets are efficient enough to ensure that people get pretty much what they deserve over time and there are very few, if any, geniuses working in mailrooms when they should be running the company. My standard is, if you don’t have something and you’ve ever taken a moment of “leisure” before you obtain it, you have no right to complain about not having it. You should have worked that extra time to achieve your goals. All I’ve ever taken from the government is student loans and then said for them to get the f out of my way, I’ll take it from here.

venividivici on February 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

That said, I don’t think it was a coincidence that the era that saw civil rights legislation being passed also saw an expansion of government agencies to enforce those rights and enter into other areas of daily life, culminating in Nixon’s “we are all Keynesians now” crap. It is also pretty much a historical fact that the civil rights movement was rife with Communists and Communist sympathizers, so whatever good came of it also came with a load of bad.

Wrong again. The Civil Rights Movement in the 30s was filled with Communist Party members. But by the time the Cold War came around in the late 40s most civil rights organisations purged their communist members for fear of being blacklisted. The right used that fact to demonize ALL civil rights activity as “communist” for the next thirty years, even through the sixties, even as all hints of socialist rhetoric dissapeared from “civil rights” advocacy until the Panthers revived it in the 70s. And if you read the history you’ll know the harshest critiques of the Panthers were “moderate” black leaders that you’d probably call “extreme radicals” today

And here is the logical fallacy of your side. Let’s take your premise as accurate, that there were commie elements within the CRM, despite it’s “good intentions.” Then why didn’t the right merely say “we’ll overturn jim crow laws, end formal white supremacy and prosecute those who violate any citizens civil rights.” None of those things are “socialist” in and of themselves. But the right, instead, fought tooth and nail. Used the arm of the law to beat/kill protestors until their actions were broadcast on national television to the embarassment of the rest of the country. The right railed until they were hoarse that the black vote would be the “end of America” and the “first step towards communism.” Um…why exactly? Study the damn history before you make a fool of yourself.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 15, 2009 at 1:39 PM

The Eisenhower Civil Rights Program

Although he declined to ask Congress for a civil rights bill in his first years in office, President Eisenhower was quietly determined to eliminate racial discrimination in those areas where the president had clear-cut authority and there was no question of overriding states’ rights. Eisenhower therefore issued executive orders ending any segregationist practices that remained in the District of Columbia, in the military, and in the U.S. Government bureaucracy. He was the first president to appoint a black, Frederic Morrow, to an executive position on the White House staff. Eisenhower’s record of achievement in the civil rights field was sufficiently impressive that he gained considerable support among black voters when he successfully ran for reelection to the presidency in 1956.

Eisenhower’s policy of minimizing legislative requests and maximizing executive action was followed by his successor as president, John F. Kennedy. It can even be argued that President Kennedy, by delaying signing an executive order to racially integrate public housing in the United States for more than two years, was less willing to use executive action on behalf of civil rights than Eisenhower was. To Kennedy’s credit, following the violent and well-publicized racial demonstrations in Birmingham in 1963, he sent a major civil rights bill to Congress and worked diligently for its passage.

INC on February 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM

The Civil Rights Act of 1957

On March 9, 1956, Attorney General Herbert Brownell circulated to Eisenhower and his cabinet a four part civil rights bill to be presented to Congress. Part I provided for creation of a bipartisan United States Commission on Civil Rights for the purpose of studying racial discrimination in the United States and recommending remedial legislation to Congress. It was hoped the Civil Rights Commission’s investigations and written reports would provide factual data and reasoned arguments for civil rights supporters in subsequent legislative fights…

At first President Eisenhower endorsed only the first two points of Brownell’s proposed legislation. By October of 1956, however, late in his successful campaign for reelection, Eisenhower declared his support for all four provisions. In his 1957 State of the Union message he urged Congress to enact all four points into law.

INC on February 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM

We need another Shays Rebellion to remove this corruption and attempt to control Americans. We are losing our economic and personal freedoms piece by piece. The only one leading any kind of charge is Glenn Beck. We had the Gathering of Eagles to take on the anti-American ANSWER. Time to organize to take on our government which is moving towards oppression and is now rife with corruption. Example: my Democratic Rep cried the stimulus was wasteful and voted against the House version; he was quiet and voted for the final version. I didn’t see much change and he had only 10 or so hours to read 1073 pages. It can be read here.

amr on February 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM

Everett Dirksen: Forgotten Civil Rights Champion

June 10, 1964, was a dramatic day in the United States Senate. For the first time in its history, cloture was invoked on a civil rights bill, ending a record-breaking filibuster that had consumed fifty-seven working days. The hero of the hour was minority leader Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen (R-Ill.)

In February, when he entered the hospital, afflicted with a bleeding ulcer, he took his dog-eared copy of the House bill with him, poring over it line by line and drawing up a list of conciliatory changes. During the spring, with the help of legal experts, he began to rewrite the bill, suggesting almost seventy amendments, many technical but others of substance. “I have a fixed pole star,” he said in April. “This is, first, to get a bill; second to get an acceptable bill; third, to get a workable bill; and, finally, to get an equitable bill.”

…Dirksen produced twenty-three Republican votes to make a total of sevemty—three votes beyond the necessary two-thirds to break the filibuster (the final tally was 71–29). Swift passage of the civil rights bill followed, and the House, rather than argue, accepted the Senate version. On July 2, President Lyndon Johnson signed into law a bill that banned discrimination in public facilities, provided voting rights protection, and established equal opportunity as the law of the land.

Time magazine noted when Dirksen appeared on the cover of the June 19, 1964 issue, “it is Dirksen’s bill, bearing his handiwork more than anyone else’s.” That cover, by Robert Vickrey, the accomplished painter in egg tempera, is part of the Time collection of artwork that was presented to the National Portrait Gallery in 1978.

INC on February 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM

Who is the GOP version of Robert the Bruce?

Bishop on February 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Eric Cantor?

All I’ve ever taken from the government is student loans and then said for them to get the f out of my way, I’ll take it from here.

venividivici on February 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Yes. And I paid them back early, started my own business and work 60 hours a week to make it grow. I also volunteer 1.5 days, yes, i said days, per week to improve the lives of others.

But I still find time to email Barack Obama each day to discuss policy concerns, though by now his surrogates likely see my email address and just delete them. But it makes me feel better. I noticed that the day the bill was passed the maximum characters allowed at whitehouse.gov jumped from 500 to 5000. That says volumes (no pun intended)! He clearly didn’t want a bunch of right-wing-nutjobs like me sending him lengthy missives about the crapulous bill.

I write to my congressmen and senators regularly as well…especially Lindsay Graham, who has lately gotten my panties in a wad — whew!

Would I join a million-person-march? Absolutely! Would I travel to DC for this? You betcha! Will I ever stop fighting for smaller government, personal freedom, and the rights of the unborn? Never!

Let’s roll.

LEBA on February 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM

Wiki has a picture of Charlton Heston at the 1963 Civil Rights March on Washington.

As you may know, Heston was also a Republican and spokesman and president for the National Rifle Association.

INC on February 15, 2009 at 2:07 PM

And percentage wise more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Acts than did Democrats. They would not have been passed except for the Republicans. The Democrats were the party of secession and Jim Crow.

Conservatives/Libertarians believe that the “People are Sovereign, not the Government”. Progressives/Liberals believe just the opposite.

amr on February 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM

amr on February 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Thanks! That was one thing I had seen before, but forgot to put in there.

INC on February 15, 2009 at 2:21 PM

And percentage wise more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Acts than did Democrats. They would not have been passed except for the Republicans. The Democrats were the party of secession and Jim Crow.

Conservatives/Libertarians believe that the “People are Sovereign, not the Government”. Progressives/Liberals believe just the opposite.

amr on February 15, 2009 at 2:18 PM

Historical revisionists like DeathtoMediaHacks will try to change the past…there are no do-over’s in history. It was what it was.

LEBA on February 15, 2009 at 2:23 PM

You can e-mail the Speaker at AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov and the President at the new contact website http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

amr on February 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Study the damn history before you make a fool of yourself.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 15, 2009 at 1:39 PM

INC on February 15, 2009 at 2:27 PM

A demonstration similar to the Gathering of Eagles can be done. We outnumbered ANSWER. Glenn Beck ( 5PM FNC) with his “We Surround Them” and his 9 principles is a start. At least he has a bully pulpit.

amr on February 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM

The simple act of changing ones W2 should be our first shot across the bow of the USS Socalist.

dmann on February 15, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Plink will be the sound as it bounces right off but gets their full attention on you.

sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM

A demonstration similar to the Gathering of Eagles can be done. We outnumbered ANSWER. Glenn Beck ( 5PM FNC) with his “We Surround Them” and his 9 principles is a start. At least he has a bully pulpit.

amr on February 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Time to take care of this guy who thought he was too good for CNN.

sethstorm on February 15, 2009 at 3:03 PM

To be fair, the Republicans did do a remarkable job in fighting Porkulus, the first step towards the “state allocated bed”; out of 219 members of Congress, only 3 Republicans voted to support it.

Well la-dee-freakin’-da!

More Democrats voted against it than Republicans voted for it, and it still passed.

Got four words for you, Ed:

FULL
FORCE
OF
LAW

gryphon202 on February 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Suggestions that conservatives may have become somewhat complacent could have a slight bit of truth to it, but then again, who wants to organize a protest when they think things are going right? Just because a group hasn’t been raising hell doesn’t mean that they’ve been sitting around “watching TV.” At least they are staying informed- many of my democrat friends can’t even name the 44th president, so it might be a good idea for them to stay home and watch a few documentaries, or even better read a book for a change.

I’m all for doing my part. If that means attending a protest in DC, then count me in. I just believe we need to be a lot smarter than the left, and do a better job of determining the effectiveness of our actions.

I say that because some of the most effective protests have utilized the element of fear. Threats of violence usually always accompany liberal protests. The left can spout all they like about how more “socially active” they are, and how they took time to “change the world” while we did nothing, but what they really did was invoke mob rule. A few individuals simply took advantage of the “oppressed masses” to create a mass hysteria. Very similar to events proceeding WWII.

The lawmakers can more easily disregard us because, for the most part, we don’t project that type of a threat. The right-wing groups who do are usually quickly characterized as nut jobs (sometimes rightly so) and are dealt with harshly. Those groups actually invoke more fear than the lefty nut groups because they are usually more organized and often heavily armed.

My point is that there we are facing a disadvantage to any organized protests. Who’s afraid of civil disobedience from white collar workers? All they have to do is ignore us for a day. Most of us aren’t seriously going to stop paying taxes, or disrupt traffic, or whatever, because we actually have something to lose.

I agree wholeheartedly that we will all become more active and get folks fired up to act. But let’s not make the mistake of thinking we can use the same plan as the left used. Our actions should be well calculated, organized, and effective using the best resources we have at our disposal.

dinobalz on February 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Hey Death, couple of questions.

Are you not some poli-sci college student?
Have you ever had to fill out anything more complicated than a 1040EZ for your taxes?
What tax bracket are you currently in?
Have you ever held a job in the private sector?

Just want to get those out of the way before deciding if there is any actual merits to your lectures. Glad you are here though. I think you are 100% wrong, but do keep most of your arguments from degrading to an insult match.

ClassicCon on February 15, 2009 at 3:56 PM

jimmy the notable on February 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Heretic. ;)

cryptojunkie on February 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM

Personally I’m ready for an armed march on DC at any time.
How far will the American public allow themselves to be dragged toward Marxism before they rise up and fight? Will the Fed have to outlaw any vehicle that doesn’t get at least 30 mpg? Will they have to outlaw all recreation vehicles (PWC, ATV,s et al) to save fuel? Will they have to mandate public transportation 3 days a week? Will they have to outlaw meat? I mean really, WTH is it going to take? Our nation is being taken over by the representatives of the weak, the petty, the jealous, and the lazy and unproductive.

DerKrieger on February 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Door knock, fund-raise, make phone calls, or RUN FOR SOMETHING LOCAL. Should you win, great! Should you lose, you will have forwarded the conservative message.

pugwriter on February 15, 2009 at 4:55 PM

We face the danger of the Democratic Party becoming the American PRI. (The PRI still hasn’t been fully dislodged in Mexico, and the drug war down there is part of their legacy of go-along-get-along corruption.)

Will you join in our crusade?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Somewhere beyond the barricade is there a world you long to see?
Do you hear the people sing?
Say, do you hear the distant drums?
It is the future that they bring when tomorrow comes!

njcommuter on February 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM

Apparently there are now 7 states that are moving to establish their 10th Amendment rights. Here is the link for AZ.

amr on February 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Are you not some poli-sci college student?

I was not/am not a poli-sci major, not sure what it matters though, can you explain why this is important. Uh oh, is that too much of a “poli sci” question? Wierd.

Have you ever had to fill out anything more complicated than a 1040EZ for your taxes?
Um, I do turbo tax through my employer, so I honestly don’t really know. Sorry.

What tax bracket are you currently in?

I honestly don’t know…what’s the one for people who pull down around 40k? But why does this have anything to do with whether my opinions on social organizing have merit? I have no doubt, considering the poverty rate in southern states, that I make as much or more than a lot of conservative folks who you’d probably agree with. What’s the point of this questionairre. Will you eventually reveal you have tons of money and therefore have a better understanding of the topic. That’s pretty elitist isn’t it?

Have you ever held a job in the private sector?

Thankfully only to pay bills during school.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 15, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Lan astaslem

Look it up. or ask “The Boss”

MikeA on February 15, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Dane-geld
(A.D. 980-1016)
by Rudyard Kipling

It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say—
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say—
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say—

“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”

That applies to enemies within and without.

davidk on February 15, 2009 at 7:15 PM

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