The good news is that about 10,000 people protested against the Nazis. German anti-immigrant, skinhead and neo-Nazi groups in the eastern city of Dresden staged one of their biggest demonstrations since German reunification in 1990 today, as 6,000 extr…

In Britain last year, 50% surveyed thought British Jews more loyal to Israel than the UK.

While Israel is at war, there is no shame in this.

Nearly two-thirds of Spanish respondents said Jews were more loyal to Israel than they were to their home countries.

Why does no one ever contemplate where Muslim loyalties lie?

If they love Spain but love Israel a little bit more, what’s the big problem?

They’re citizens of Spain, not citizens of Israel. If forty million Americans love Mexico more than they love the USA is that a problem? I would say yes.

The flip-side of this supposedly non-existent problem is that conservative Americans expect Jews living in Europe to suddenly loose all ties with the countries of their birth and national loyalty (Britain, Poland etc.) and emigrate to the US or Israel at the drop of a hat, completely abandoning their entire lives in the process, in the interests of “temporary safety” (Ben Franklin).

Nearly two-thirds of Spanish respondents said Jews were more loyal to Israel than they were to their home countries.

I don’t see that as being so evil.
If they love Spain but love Israel a little bit more, what’s the big problem?

But how do we know that we are living in the last days now or that they will occur say 700 years from now?

we of course do not know the exact time..but consider the signs…Israel is back in the land, Iran and Russia work together…as Ezekiel forecast…does anyone doubt that Iran will invade Israel??

of course we are living in Laodicea..where the church is neither hot nor cold…most of what passes for christianity these days is a counterfeit.

Jerusalem is a stumbling stone for the nations…after millenia it is the focus of the world’s attention

the 10 toes of Nebuchednezzar’s statue exist in europe…the woman rides the beast…

the economy is ready for a cashless society, where one man can control who buys or who sells, never before was this even conceivable…now it is..

I just look at the signs of the times…even the pagan propecies of nostradamus and the incas say the world is facing a catastrophe in 2012….and the darkness knows things….its not always right..but…

I add all these things up, and I think the time is nigh…but even if its not, its always good to live as though the Lord may return tomorrow…so we do not get slothful…

maranatha!!

ps: the invasion of Israel by Iran and russia is not armageddon…

But how do we know that we are living in the last days now or that they will occur say 700 years from now?

Does Billy Graham say anything about this?

Yes Israel exists again but could they not go through many, many wars before the final war?

The Crusader Kingdom, which came and went, lasted longer than 60 years.

This year, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association will focus on the return of Jesus Christ and help prepare believers for life in the last days, according to a recent announcement.

“People ask me, ‘Do you really believe that Jesus Christ is going to come back to this earth again?’” writes the Rev. Billy Graham in one of the several resources that the ministry is providing on the End Times.
“Yes, I do,” he continues. “The Bible teaches that Jesus is coming again.
And I don’t see any other hope, because we’re heading toward a catastrophe in our world.”

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as far as I am concerned in christianity, there is Billy Graham, and then there is everyone else…he’s in a league of his own…and like the old EF HUTTON commercial…when Billy speaks….I listen…

In which case Jews are no more safer in the good ol’ USA than they are in Europe or anywhere else.

aengus on February 13, 2009 at 8:38 PM

if you haven’t noticed the USA is now the USSA…we are a people’s republiKKK…its going to get ugly here…

and when it gets ugly, the jews always get the blame…

and no they’re not safe anywhere, even in Israel…

In which case Jews are no more safer in the good ol’ USA than they are in Europe or anywhere else.

Attention all European Jews. Please come to America. We need you. The last major influx of you was a wonderful addition to our country.

Let’s see…stereotypes of Jews, hmm: close knit families, religion, work ethic, a focus on education and performance, a sense of pride in achievement and a sense of shame in failure. You aren’t strapping bombs to your chest to kill babies and you aren’t looting stores…and worst of all…you think profits are GOOD!

Oh my, what a horrible people. Tsk tsk.

Ya, c’mon over, we’ll leave Lady Liberty’s light on for you.

Melanie Philips who writes for the Daily Mail is British and Jewish. Has anyone emailed her to tell her to abandon her home country (Britain) and high-tail it to Israel? What do you think she’d say to that?

aengus on February 13, 2009 at 8:15 PM

they won’t have a choice…

But the Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from
all the lands whither He had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I
gave unto their fathers. Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish
them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain,
and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. Jeremiah 16:15,16

right4life, you may think the “back of the Book” allows theft, but I don’t.

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2009 at 7:52 PM

bet your eyes are brown, you’re so full of crap. its the jews land..the arabs STOLE IT FROM THEM…get a clue.

Hmm. When all else fails, go ad hominem.

I have never said or even implied what you are claiming to be my feelings. What I have said is that the Palestinians have a claim to land in Israel.

truth hurts. you want the ‘right of return’ for the ‘palestinians’ in other words, you want to see the end of israel and the death of millions of jews. thats what your ‘policies’ entail.

I’ve noticed that Satan’s minions always hate the jews…

learn to love Israel sucka, cause there ain’t nothing you, or the arabs, or your horned god can do about it…

The tolerant, open-minded, sophisticated, culturally superior people of Europe have identified the source of the West’s economic woes: Jews.  According to a survey commissioned by the Anti-Defamation League, “a third of Europeans polled bl…

Of course, Europe is evolving more and more into Eurabia. And Muslims are none too fond of Jews themselves. If I were a European Jew, I’d be looking to move to Israel.

Disturb the Universe on February 13, 2009 at 5:18 PM

DUB,

I know what you’re trying to convey but I don’t agree. Ethnically, Sarkozy is Jewish. So is his right-hand man Kouchner. The political representative for my area is Jewish but he doesn’t seem eager to abandon his home country and go live somewhere supposedly safer.

Lots of Jews are patriots of the countries they were born in and live in and might not necessarily want to abandon their countries and high-tail it to Israel or the US anymore than the rest of us infidels who are just as likely to be slaughtered by Muslims.

You could tell European Jews (by email?) that they ought not to trust the peoples of the countries they are living in but as an American that is just your outside perspective.

Melanie Philips who writes for the Daily Mail is British and Jewish. Has anyone emailed her to tell her to abandon her home country (Britain) and high-tail it to Israel? What do you think she’d say to that?

Israel was formed so that Jews who wanted to could get away from people like you.

ProfessorMiao on February 13, 2009 at 6:48 PM

Aren’t we lucky that the USA has never had a religious entry test, and has never booted people out over their religion?

Israel is not a miniature version of the United States by any means, and your final attempt at witticism brings home that point in a very big way.

yeah ‘unc’ is a raving anti-semite. he’d be much happier if the jews were all dead.

right4life on February 13, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Hmm. When all else fails, go ad hominem.

I have never said or even implied what you are claiming to be my feelings. What I have said is that the Palestinians have a claim to land in Israel.

I disagree with the way Hamas is going about attempting to enforce that claim, but those Palestinians who have attempted to gain restitution through the Israeli court system have been mostly (but not uniformly) rebuffed. As I noted on January 9:

Finally, there were many Palestinians who remained peaceful. Again, I offer as an example what is now known as Canada Park, whose creation after the 1967 war required the destruction of both a mosque and a Catholic Church [as well as the rest of the village of ‘Imwas] — a contemporary picture by a sympathetic Isreali soldier shows an animated Catholic priest begging the soldier’s superiors not to raze the village. This happened in spite of the fact that its citizens had maintained cordial relations with the nearby kibbutz from which the Isreali soldier [taking the photograph] originated. The citizens of ‘Imwas took the fight to regain their land all the way to the Israeli Supreme Court and lost. Such actions do not indicate hostile intent — to use the legal system of your putative adversary shows a sign of respect which was not accorded to the people of Imwas themselves. Their victory in this whole matter consisted of a second court fight (which they won) to require the placement of signs in the park indicating where the village’s buildings had stood — previous signs had detailed antiquities but left the appearance that the land had been unoccupied for millenia [sic]. A shallow victory, but a victory nonetheless.

Those acts do not justify violence against civilians. I have a seamless garb in that respect — I believe that both the Palestinians and the Israeli citizenry have individual rights to lives free of terror. In that position, I have supported the Israeli incursion into Gaza to destroy Hamas’ capability of targeting civilians. In that incursion, I believe that the Israelis have waged Just War — they have tried to minimize civilian casualties while rooting out the militias which have targeted their civilians.

I do not personally absolve Israel or its military of the things it has done and continues to do with regard to displaced/displacing Palestinian civilians from land desired by Israeli settlers. Someone quoted the UN as having given the turf to the Israelis; that same UN has repeatedly rebuked Israel for having a law of return which does not include displaced Palestinian civilians.

This is a continuation of an argument which began over on the Captains’ Quarters pages long ago.

right4life, you may think the “back of the Book” allows theft, but I don’t.

If those numbers continue to grow, we can expect pressure from these Western nations to abandon Israel, and more importantly, to abandon the fight against radical Islamist terrorism and Iranian hegemony in the Middle East.

hasn’t that already happened, except the USA, and now that it is the USSA, that will happen very soon…

and the west has already given up the fight against radical islam…Iran gets the bomb..invades israel…along with russia…and get a very ugly surprise!! the Ezekiel option…..

But your message comes through quite clearly. Since Israel is an illegitimate entity, antisemitism is “natural”. You lot are funny, you know. Before Israel existed, a common refrain of antisemites was “Go back to Palestine”! Now its “Get out of Palestine”. Israel was formed so that Jews who wanted to could get away from people like you.
ProfessorMiao on February 13, 2009 at 6:48 PM

yeah ‘unc’ is a raving anti-semite. he’d be much happier if the jews were all dead.

I have no doubt he posts in his starched brown shirt, with a picture of his dear ‘leader’ above the computer.

but ‘unc’ and those like him, are in for an ugly surprise…I’ve read the back of the Book, and Israel never falls….

(1) the state was formed, under authorization of the UN, give those whose identity is Jewish a homeland

Not true. An examination of the UN-defined borders of the putative state indicates far different borders than the present state. Besides, even if true, we all know what happens when the UN gets involved in anything — and in the case of Israel, they gave 50% of the land to a group that owned 6% of the land. Of course, in the end, that group wound up owning over 99%, which they’ve kept to the present.

“Not true… besides even if true…”

Yes, the borders in 1949 were not the ones originally set out by the UN, because 5 Arab countries launched a war against the new state.

In 1949, Israel held about 50 percent of the land that had been partitioned. The population of that land was about 50 percent Jewish in 1946. Israel has since annexed the Golan Heights but not Gaza or the West Bank, so I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from.

(2) the state is heavily armed because it has been under attack since the day it was formed

Not true. Armed for years before the day it was formed. Google irgun or haganah. The biggest difference between the two was that the irgun split from the haganah after the haganah decided that attacks against Arab civilians was counterproductive, while the irgun followed a FOTL approach similar to that followed by alQaeda. “hotel david irgun” is instructive, as is “jerusalem railroad irgun”</blockquote

I don’t need to Google Irgun or Haganah. Perhaps you should Google Six Day War and Yom Kippur War. And by the way, when I write “Israel”, I mean Israel, not the British Palestinian Mandate.

(3) the lands over which Israel holds sovereignty, with the exception of the Golan Heights, are lands over which it was given sovereignty by the UN.

Provably false by any examination of the maps associated with the potential division of the Mandate of Palestine by the UN. See (1) above.

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2009 at 5:53 PM

International law recognizes border changes in the case of a defensive war, though, Unc. And the UN has long regarded the Blue and Green Lines as equivalent to international borders.

But your message comes through quite clearly. Since Israel is an illegitimate entity, antisemitism is “natural”. You lot are funny, you know. Before Israel existed, a common refrain of antisemites was “Go back to Palestine”! Now its “Get out of Palestine”. Israel was formed so that Jews who wanted to could get away from people like you.