Video: Michelle salutes the entitlement cult of O
posted at 8:00 pm on February 12, 2009 by Allahpundit
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First the all-conservative roundtable, now this. Man, no one serves up the red meat like Beck. I take MM’s point about housing not being a civil right, but this goes back to what I said the other day about stimulus polls: When the economy’s in crisis, the only politicians who’ll be willing to vote en masse against entitlements and be portrayed as “callous” are ideologues of a Reagan/Paul degree of libertarian purity. And it’s going to be a long, long time before they’re a majority of the GOP again. However fine this argument is theoretically, politically it’s a non-starter.
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Good grief, that women is beautiful.
TheSitRep on February 12, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Memo to Constantine? Or the ugly liberal fool above who mentioned that conservatives call everything “pork” that doesn’t put money in their pockets.
What a stupid remark. First, it is not true. Second, look at the authors of pork bills like the present conporklus and the record of our stupid hypocrite in chief when he visited the Senate. Most importantly, anyone looking for the government to keep them has a problem that can’t be solved by manna from the Messiah. On an economic basis, we can’t afford it as a nation.
Basic economics. . The One can’t help these people much more than President Bush did. And one speaker had a clear request. She needed a home. Came to her Leader. And she got the same B.S. that Dems have sold to the poor for 50 years and The One is the latest, slickest seller of the drugs. Yes, come to the government. That is a lie. The truth is to ’solve your own problems’. Simple numbers tell the story. Wanna give these people $125,000 to $200,000 condos? How about $45,000 walking around money? Even if we did that, those poor people in the film had problems far, far beyond what our economy or the egomaniac we just elected can handle. The housing mess is sinking our economy — WHAT DO YOU THINK TRYING TO SOLVE EVERYONE’S ECONOMIC PROBLEMS WILL DO?
The sick mentality is present in these people but even worse are people like you and The One.
IlikedAUH2O on February 12, 2009 at 9:10 PM
I could be wrong, but I don’t think that everyone who doesn’t immediately go to heaven instantly goes to hell forever. At least that’s what Catholocism teaches: (from Wikipedia, purgatory )
If you live your life in an otherwise un-evil capacity, simple skepticism might allow you to enter purgatory. However, that’s not my judgment call.
jimmy the notable on February 12, 2009 at 9:10 PM
Atheists can be reincarnated as believers. So don’t worry so much.
JiangxiDad on February 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Love the chemistry between Beck and Michelle. Really enjoy him being on Fox. Was #3 show on cable news (per Drudge). When Glenn had his show on Headline News , it wasn’t even a blip on the ratings scale. Glenn Beck rocks….as long as he holds back the tears!
ohiorebel on February 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM
I don’t believe in a god either, But I am now convinced there is a devil and Obama be thy name.
TheSitRep on February 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM
Heh, I was hoping for an answer too.
Back to cleaning my Glock.
javamartini on February 12, 2009 at 9:13 PM
It’s not as if everything in the Bible is the absolute Word of God…it’s a document written by man about his God….in the same sense, nowhere in the Bible does it say that we have to build elaborate churches, and splinter into a thousand versions of right and wrong, according to one man’s interpretation of what another man wrote two thousand years ago about how to worship God.
At the end, there is only you, and God…the rest is trappings, some of which are important trappings, some of which are not. In the end, you’ll be judged on your life, and your deeds, and not whether you’ve claimed Jesus as your personal savior, according to rules that we’re written years after Jesus’ death.
So in that sense, I agree with you Allah.
hippie_chucker on February 12, 2009 at 9:14 PM
LOL!
Laura in Maryland on February 12, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Friend abuse, believer or not.
Cindy Munford on February 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM
As someone from the Peoples Socialist paradise of New Zealand I see nothing at all unusual here. This is NORMAL. Normal for us, normal for Europe, normal for Britain. Normal!! You guys have been out of step with the rest of the world for so long with all this self-reliance and hard work stuff! Sheeesh – no wonder you’re so far behind all the other countries in the world!
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Yes, that is sarcasm.
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Sorry guys, I think its time to kiss your country goodbye as I had to mine a couple of decades ago. Life as you assumed it would always be is disappearing from view forever. I am really sorry. Your country held the rest of us together even when we didn’t want to survive. But the writing is on the wall, that part of history is over now and night is falling.
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No-one can stop what is about to happen.
Liam1304 on February 12, 2009 at 9:16 PM
I’m just always surprised when the atheists explain why they don’t believe in certain Christian religious beliefs. What if I said I was a former Zoroastrian, and now an atheist. Would people be coaxing me back? :)
JiangxiDad on February 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM
Therefore God merits eternal punishment if He punishes with eternal suffering the crime of skepticism.
Belief is irrelevant!
Praise be!
spmat on February 12, 2009 at 9:17 PM
#1 In my view, it’s not eternal
#2 Only skepticism? you’ve never lied, stolen, cheated, lusted, etc, etc?
jgapinoy on February 12, 2009 at 9:18 PM
I’d like to drink a beer with you AP, for no other reason than to tell you than salvation happens in spite of your (and my) incorrect views of it.
spmat on February 12, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Not with out a fight. At least a verbal one.
Cindy Munford on February 12, 2009 at 9:19 PM
Here’s the point: If you take the concept of hell seriously — infinite suffering for an infinite period of time — there’s literally no crime so terrible that that sentence would be considered just. Let alone “lust.”
Allahpundit on February 12, 2009 at 9:20 PM
How did this turn into another “Allah hated religion” thread? I don’t get why atheists are so obsessed with religion. Most of the religious people I know aren’t as obsessed.
Ampersand on February 12, 2009 at 9:22 PM
It sounds like you and your friend are both victims of bad or seriously mis-understood theology.
I am no fan of religious threads — they always degenerate into “Tastes Great! No, Less Filling!” shout-fests. So I will offer to take this offline.
AllahP, e-mail me if you want another perspective on the whole “Hell / Purgatory” thing. Which you probably don’t.
Anton on February 12, 2009 at 9:22 PM
This idiot liberal knows the difference. It’s just that some folks persist in believing that everybody in this world who ever finds themselves in need of a helping hand is a perpetual beggar. Can you not understand the difference between someone who is temporarily in need of help and someone who is a perpetual beggar?
I really, really hope you never find yourself in need of assistance. I really, really hope you and your family are able to maintain your blessed lifestyle in the difficult times to come. (We ain’t seen nothing yet.) If you do find yourself in need of assistance I hope it is there for you. And I hope that in the process of accepting that assistance you do not turn yourself into a perpetual beggar… because everybody does, you know.
Len on February 12, 2009 at 9:22 PM
I disagree completely. There has been true evil in this world that deserves to be punished. There are people who have a capacity for inflicting suffering that I simply cannot understand. If I go to heaven, I don’t want to spend one second with these horrible people.
jimmy the notable on February 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM
Infinitely? With infinite suffering? Imagine torturing a guy every day for a year until he shrieks in agony. Could you keep that up for a billion billion years? Every day?
I encourage any skeptics here to listen to preachers talking, with absolute casualness, about nonbelievers etc. being punished with eternal torment for their disbelief. The banality of evil indeed.
Allahpundit on February 12, 2009 at 9:27 PM
I finally got to see Michelle again on the show.
As lovely as ever…
stacman on February 12, 2009 at 9:27 PM
I don’t think she’s Entelechy’s type. I know she’s not mine.
baldilocks on February 12, 2009 at 9:28 PM
…and I’m a woman. Thus, I turn the TV off immediately when Gretchen comes on, which I happen to have on only when getting up in some hotel, on business trips. The View I wouldn’t be caught dead watching. I only know about it from HA.
baldi, Elizabeth is a lightweight and Gretchen is so full of herself, and has no clue how she comes across. No idea why they keep her when there are so many women of substance, with an interesting personality, who could fill that spot. No need for anyone to remind me where she went to school. I know many schooled fools.
Entelechy on February 12, 2009 at 9:28 PM
I agree, Michelle keeps looking better, and Ann Coulter keeps looking worse. What’s going on there?
Constantine on February 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM
That’s why we only live for 70 or so years.
genso on February 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM
The title of this thread should have been Digressional.;)
jerrytbg on February 12, 2009 at 9:30 PM
Not to mention his former friend’s.
baldilocks on February 12, 2009 at 9:31 PM
Me too.
To participate momentarily in the side-thread going on here, AP, if your friend is uncomfortable by that position it indicates friction, likely her thinking is still in motion. If it wasn’t something she was working out in her mind, she wouldn’t be uncomfortable. She may, in fact, have been using use to play the devil’s advocate.
Spirit of 1776 on February 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM
baldi, while at it, CNN’s Soledad O’Brien has the same effect on me…off button, immediately.
Entelechy on February 12, 2009 at 9:37 PM
Wow, David All capitalized GOD twice in the same thread. I think there is hope for him after all.
; )
carbon_footprint on February 12, 2009 at 9:38 PM
Ann Coulter has a serious eating disorder. She will die unless she gets help.
carbon_footprint on February 12, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Sad, ’cause you’re miles more superior. No need to justify ‘affinity’ further.
Entelechy on February 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM
This thread is ruined?
It’s supposed to be about a
cultgod, the Obama one.Ok, you’re all fine.
Entelechy on February 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM
It’s not so bad once you get used to it.
Jim Treacher on February 12, 2009 at 9:44 PM
It simply isn’t fair that one woman; Michelle, is so beautiful, funny, graceful and intelligent.
God should have “spread the wealth around” and given other women at least some of what she has!
Star20 on February 12, 2009 at 9:46 PM
Silly. Only God could do that.
JiangxiDad on February 12, 2009 at 9:47 PM
Hi, MDE. I think it’s an issue of expectations. I don’t expect her to make Coulter/Malkin arguments – nor does that show really revolve around those.
What I really like about her is the Americana aspect she has. Meaning, when Rosie says fire can’t melt steel, she doesn’t have to research the melting point to refute that point, she does it with her common sense. In that regard she is very much like millions of Americans, and I like that. I’m not looking for her to give me an Ace-like essay on the topics, to me she’s more of a barometer of conservative women (not conservative pundits). If that makes sense.
Spirit of 1776 on February 12, 2009 at 9:49 PM
That video is the scariest thing I’ve seen. I’ve never met people like that.
hanzblinx on February 12, 2009 at 10:14 PM
bagoh20 on February 12, 2009 at 10:24 PM
Speak for yourself.
I have seen it about as hard as it gets. I did not ask for nor receive assistance. And by the way, it is not the government’s job.
Johan Klaus on February 12, 2009 at 10:48 PM
Sometimes the percentage of people who when uncomfortable things happen, run for a shell to hide under and who want the false security of being lied too, is truly startling.
And for those of us who are willing to stare life in the face honestly.
Speakup on February 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Somebody needs to make Atlas Shrugged into an after school special.
Phred on February 12, 2009 at 11:14 PM
The final scene from The Rapture illustrates the price one would pay if they ultimately choose to renounce their creator.
Jus’ sayin’… ; )
[Great film btw and well worth the price of rental]
The Ugly American on February 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM
Assuming that the supreme being is in fact supremely just, and assuming that “simple skepticism” is a punishable violation to that supreme being, then whatever punishment the supreme being assigns to the skeptic will be, by definition, a just and right sentence. Whatever else the process is, it’s logical.
And if you’re complaining that the crime doesn’t seem to fit the punishment, well…maybe it does.
You may not like that “skepticism”, as you call it, is deemed a punishable offense by the supreme Judge, but that’s how it is — a caught thief doesn’t like that thievery is against the law, but his approval or disapproval of the law has little to do with his guilt and should have no bearing on the sentence the judge punishes him with.
I understand your problem, but it’s your problem.
(a) Thomas was a religiously-observant Jew who believed in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and who was fervently awaiting the fulfillment of his scriptures by the coming of the Messiah. Whatever his doubt about Jesus’ identity as that Messiah, Thomas shows no sign that, subsequent to his doubt, he intended to abandon his Jewish faith.
You are a self-avowed atheist.
I fail to see the equivalency between Thomas’ doubt of an improbable event (the resurrection of Jesus) and your blanket denial of the existence of any deity.
(b) Thomas shortly thereafter repented of his doubt and, without any apparent hesitation or skepticism at what his eyes and ears were showing him, worshipped Jesus as Lord and God.
Granted, he saw his dead friend and teacher physically appear, but the cause of his rejection of his “skepticism” is immaterial. The fact that he readily recanted of it is sufficient to refute your identification of his “skepticism” with your own.
That’s a non sequiter. Especially given that your point about Thomas is incomplete, an out-of-context strawman.
Harpazo on February 13, 2009 at 12:09 AM
Allah have you ever read Isaiah 53? Have you read the the 4 Gospels? If you have have you ever found a flaw or contradiction in what Jesus said or taught? I beleive that we will all be held accountable for our sins even the snmallest lie we’ve told but that is not what separates us from God, it’s rejecting His Son and therefore Him. Hell is a place created to house Satan and his minions and there are different degrees of suffering there. Someone who just never accepted God won’t suffer the way say Hitler will. To me Hell is separation from God. Because he is rejected and after a series of events we either end up with God or we end up separated from Him and that is hell. I know that this is a lousy explanation. There is a guy on radio named Hank Hanagraff ( the show is the Bible Anser Man)who you could probably relate to (very intellectual) and who could explain this much better. But if your friend is an Evangelical Christian she probably wouldn’t budge because she knows she 1)didn’t make the rules so 2) can’t change them. She loves you enough to not relent because she truely belives what she does and is worried about you… None of us condone the suffering of others we just know what the rules are and care…
CCRWM on February 13, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Do you the suffering or the inflicting? Cause, I imagine, one’s a bit easier than the other. Just sayin’.
juanito on February 13, 2009 at 12:15 AM
And for the record, AP, if your friend is actually glad or in some way enthusiastic about the thought of you in eternal torment, then she is a foul person and a lousy Christian.
But. If her main offense in your mind is that she accepts what her scriptures say on the subject of the fate of those who reject God — not that she is in any way eager that you should suffer — then you have come close to slandering her here.
Harpazo on February 13, 2009 at 12:21 AM
I’m an Evangelical Christian and like most Christians I don’t belive in a “rapture”…just in the Second Coming of Christ…
CCRWM on February 13, 2009 at 12:32 AM
Michelle, I love you :) I wish you had a sister to aim at me :)
wildcat84 on February 13, 2009 at 12:35 AM
More bailout welfare? We already tried this it isn’t working.. How about giving us taxpayers bailout funds only to be spent on american built cars (That includes japanese made by US labor). Then at least we taxpaying slobs get a car and the automakers get the money. How many cars is 3B dollars?
Dadzilla on February 13, 2009 at 12:45 AM
Thomas was martyred for his faith in Christ. So, AP, you’re just like him, right? Really poor analogy.
Christian Conservative on February 13, 2009 at 12:55 AM
The author of that site (Dr. Brown) is very wrong in his presentation of the Scriptures he quotes. He is manipulating those verses to show ex post facto that they support his pre-determined theological conclusion — namely that God will annihilate those who reject Him.
He overemphasizes the material aspect of the human person and completely ignores the Biblical verses which speak of the spiritual nature of the persons who will be subject to God’s wrath.
Case in point: the author cites Ez. 28:18 as proof that the ultimate destiny of Satan (an entity which, being an angel, is a being whose existence transcends what we know as the material world) will be a cessation of existence, based on the verse’s use of the word “ashes”.
Putting aside the numerous verses in the New Testament which speak of the existence of the person subsequent to the destruction of the material body, Dr. Brown commits a huge logical error by assuming and asserting that a spiritual being is destroyed by transforming its material body (assuming it has one) to another kind of matter (ashes).
Furthermore, the ultimate destiny of those who rebel against God and align with His enemies is not some barbeque where they are char-roasted to ash (furnace and fiery lake imagery notwithstanding). The final destination for those persons is described as being in “the outer darkness” where the primary activity is weeping and the grinding of one’s teeth (which is indicative of frustration, sorrow, bitterness, and obstinacy). There is no indication that the eternal (eternity is not the same thing as having lots of time, btw – it is being outside of time) torment such persons experience is physical, nor is there any indication that those persons even exist in the material realm any longer (which would certainly explain the ‘eternal’ part of it).
Dr. Brown may be a fine molecular biologist, but his theology and Biblical interpretation are extremely flawed. I suggest he stick to his day job.
jgapinoy, you are free to believe whatever you want, but the Bible is rather consistent in its portrayal of the severity (and duration) of sin’s ultimate wages. No one says that Hell/Gehenna/the Lake of Fire is a comfortable thought or that it should be – not even God is happy with it – but one’s comfort with a thing has little to do with that thing’s reality.
Harpazo on February 13, 2009 at 1:05 AM
No worries. Follow Christ, obey His teachings, watch for His return…and we’ll explain the Rapture to you on the way up.
;-)
Harpazo on February 13, 2009 at 1:07 AM
CCRWM, your statement of most Christians not believing in the rapture may be correct, but I doubt this is true for most evangelical Christians. We tend to believe 1 Thessalonians 4 just like Paul wrote it.
Not an essential for the faith, and I have tended to agree with many of your positions in the past, but just going on record to say I believe it like it is written.
Finally, I find it very curious that a post about the creeping socialism in our national culture ends up being about atheism and Christianity. (But I guess it’s appropriate seeing that most socialist and communist regimes are almost all run by atheists.)
Christian Conservative on February 13, 2009 at 1:11 AM
Hats off to Glenn and Michelle for preaching to the choir. The moral high ground will get you “McCain’d”, time waits for no man and it won’t wait for us…. Anarchist: question of the day…. what do you call an anarchist with an agenda?
A patriot
dmann on February 13, 2009 at 1:16 AM
Screw you, pal. I’m not normally so pointed when it comes to arguing with my fellow commenters, but this is one American who is not going to take this lying down.
America has been a unique country for its entire 233 years of existence. If we do go under, and God-forbid we do without a fight, the last, best hope for justice, peace, and true equality will be gone.
gryphon202 on February 13, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Now you know why Michelle Obama is bitter.
the_nile on February 13, 2009 at 6:52 AM
Just keep showing those clips for the next four years – losers begging Obamassiah for free stuff and the creepy cult worship – the idea of personal responsibility might come into vogue again.
bitsy on February 13, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Agreed, MM is the best at what she does and has the credibility that others lack, also Mr. Beck is becoming primetime within the conservative movement. Keep up the great work both of you.
The people in these clips are the product of an education system which has failed them, or who did not attend enough classes to obtain the credits to graduate.
They provide more evidence that the Demoncratic system of governance is moving closer to Socialism at a faster pace then anytime before. The proof, is in the demographics of the country whereby the middle class is disappearing at its fastest clip than ever before.
Socialism/Communism requires the elimination of the middle class it relies on the existence of two classes, the Have’s and Have Not’s, so the Have’s can take from the Have Nots and giving it back to them creating a sense that only the government can save them.
MSGTAS on February 13, 2009 at 9:48 AM
Does anyone see the resemblance in BHO townhall meetings and the Jerry Springer show?
DJ from MA on February 13, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Not all Christians believe in Dante’s inferno Mr. AllahPundit. To presume that they ALL do is shallow on your part. If you want to read an alternative view of what eternal separation from God might REALLY be like, I suggest that you read C.S. Lewis’s The Great Divorce. You will find that the viewpoint presented there is very much a “punishment shall fit the crime” type scenario. It is the sort of thing that I would expect from a God who is just. So much so, that the read is actually somewhat hilarious — if hell can actually BE such a thing.
Most of the nasty stuff about eternal damnation comes from the book of Revelation — thought to be written by Jesus’s disciple John while he was in exile on Patmos. The inclusion of that book in the canon was hotly debated. Not everyone thought it should be included. Even some of those that do think that it DOES belong in the Bible are very hesitant to attach a literal interpretation to much of it. The apocalypse according Peter (an apocryphal book that was NOT included in the canon) even vaguely hints that damnation in hell might not be eternal — there might be a way for the condemned to find their way out. All in all, I’d say that the Christian doctrines regarding Hell, damnation, and judgment are somewhat mysterious. In the end, we (as Christians) trust that God is just and fair, in addition to being Holy and righteous.
My collie says:
CyberCipher on February 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM
How will America pay for all of these entitlements
demandedneeded by theparasitesweak, anduneducatedliberal educated?While America DID vote for this, your statement is not true. Just remind people of how they, along with businesses, are being forced to cut back while goBernment employees remain in secure jobs as The One works hard to bankrupt the country we all work to support via taxes collected by gun toting thugs. In other words, it is the working Americans and their offspring that are about to be screwed by the entitlement cult of O.
DannoJyd on February 13, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Not sure how this figures in on an entitlements thread. But the God in my bible is pretty protective of his turf. God loves everyone, but he also demands his rightful authority (many of the Ten Commandments center around worshiping him).
I think of it as similar to any other authority figure. If you ignore an order from a police officer, he has a right to toss you in jail. If you don’t follow a judges orders, he locks you up until you see the light. How much more authority does God have than a judge or a cop? And he does so for the same reason, to protect society at large. Skepticism works to undermine God’s authority. And just as anarchists end up causing innocent deaths, skeptics end up causing people to turn away from God.
hawksruleva on February 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I am late to this thread and Allah probably gave up on reading here, but just in case . . .
Allah wrote:
(emphasis added)
Did this ex-friend actually “WANT” you to be harmed? Did they actually desire for you to be punished forever? Or did she just say that, based on her belief, she is AFRAID that that will happen to you based on your present rejection of God?
Did she not hope that you would come to a knowledge of God and a belief in Jesus? Did she not ferverently hope that you would come to believe as she did?
Because if she did, she certainly did not “WANT” you to be eternally punished, in fact it sounds to me like she was doing everything she could to make sure that DID NOT happen!!
And you judged her for that. You judged her as evil and wicked because she hoped that you would come to believe as she did, know the joy she knows, know the confidence of eternity that she knows, HOPE THAT YOU WOULD BE AROUND TO ENJOY AN ETERNITY OF HEAVEN!!
What an evil, wicked, terrible person she was! Good thing you decided to end all contact with such a person. I mean, I wouldn’t want to be around anyone who was hoping that I would find joy and happiness, in this life and the next.
Uhm?
Fatal on February 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM
WRONG. YOU ARE SIMPLY WRONG.
Sultry Beauty on February 13, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Read Return From Tomorrow by George Ritchie might enlighten you about the concept of eternal damnation. It’s not God that does it, it’s you. You do it to yourself by looking away from God, by have a false perception, from losing sight of your true essence. You get the gist when you read his near death experience as to the concept because he doesn’t spell it out, he just describes the experience.
Sultry Beauty on February 13, 2009 at 6:16 PM
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