Too early to tell on Congress polling

posted at 9:40 am on February 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I’ve seen a lot of e-mail traffic about Rasmussen’s latest Congressional polling, and apparently so has Michael Barone.  He detects danger for Democrats in the recent slide, but do they really need to worry about polling this early in the 111th Session?  They have 21 months to go before the midterms, after all:

Astonishing news on the generic ballot question. Pollster Scott Rasmussen reports that Democrats are currently ahead of Republicans by only 40 percent to 39 percent. Given that this generic ballot question over the years has tended to understate Republicans’ performances in actual elections, one gathers that if the 2010 election for House seats were held today, Republicans would win or come close to winning a majority of seats—which is to say, they would gain about 40 seats. By way of comparison, they gained 52 seats when they won their majority in 1994.

Barone does caution that we’re a long way away from the midterm elections, and that a lot can change between then and now.  However, he also says that the Democrats have to worry about a massive shift in the House, perhaps losing most of the Blue Dog gains from 2006 and 2008.  Marginal districts could easily flip back, creating a difficult second half of the Obama presidency.

Rasmussen also detects a lot of slippage on economic leadership for Democrats.  On Election Night, they enjoyed a 17-point lead, which has dropped to only five points now.  Sixty-seven percent of voters think they themselves could do a better job of financial management than Congress, and 58% believe that Congress won’t even know Porkulus before voting for it.  These polls show a sharp decline in confidence.

But what does that matter now?  It’s still only February 2009, and Congress has almost 21 months to go before the midterms.  Unless the Democrats really foul up the economy and push us into a depression, the recession should bottom out this year and start recovering in 2010.  Democrats will take the credit for the success, and the worst aspects of Porkulus won’t actually be felt until years later.  We may see a jobless recovery, thanks to the capital seizure in Porkulus, but any improvement and stabilization will be greeted with relief by 2010.

Let’s see whether voters remain rational about the disastrous Porkulus and Treasury moves by summer 2010.  That’s when these polls will really mean something.  Right now, they’re just reflecting a deeply pessimistic mood in the electorate, with the Democrats feeling the brunt of it because of their position in Washington.  If the voters haven’t been fooled by mid-2010, the Democrats will be looking at an electoral collapse that will really meet all of their doom-and-gloom talk now about the economy.

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Rahmbo will assure further Democrat gains by manipulating census data.

The fix is in.

fogw on February 12, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Barone does caution that we’re a long way away from the midterm elections, and that a lot can change between then and now.

Of course, and by then Obooba and congress will have so botched it all that electoral revenge will be in the air, thick as pie.

Akzed on February 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Let’s see, hope for enraged voters hurling incompetent and corrupt Democrats bodily from Congress, or hope for economic recovery, despite the massive idiocies emanating from the White House and the Capitol.

I say, I want both.

“Hope and Change” in 2010.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Does Michael Barone have any credibility anymore? Remember on election night when he claimed to have insider knowledge on PA and cautioned against calling too early…and then Obama won it by 10 points. He is an openly conservative pollster, I’d even give Scott Rasmussen a ton more credit than this guy.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM

The is a another sign the tide may be turning:

Breaking News: Late-night comedy shows make fun of Pres. Obama

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/jon-stewart.html
(VIA INSTAPUNDIT)

Of course, one night does not a trend make.

But — Jumpin’ Jon Stewart, Batboy — was that seven minutes of jokes about Barack Obama on late-night TV? The Barack Obama. The One who’s president right now? President Barack Obama jokes on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show”?

Jokes about Obama’s speaking style. Jokes about Obama’s mannerisms. Jokes about his answers. Jokes about his tedious but very thoughtful-looking pauses, despite the TelePrompter feeding him lines. And about the media’s pre-determined adoration/critical complex (think Bill “The Guy Just Bores Me” O’Reilly and Chris “Thrill Up My Leg” Matthews”). See the video for yourself down below.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=218356&title=clusterf#@k-to-the-poor-house

This is still pretty soft on Mr. 57 states,but it is still a start.

Baxter Greene on February 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM

The question is will the majority of the electorate even realize the Dems are running the show? Hell, you’ve got Obama and his cronies running around right now blaming the lack of support for the “stimulus” bill on the GOP as if they have any control over whether or not this thing passes.

Doughboy on February 12, 2009 at 9:50 AM

One economic truth is that jobs are the last thing to recover. We saw this most recently in 2003 – 2004. This ugly fact will dog Democrats in 2010 if the Republicans play the same game the Democrats played with Bush. I don’t like doing this since it facilitates the perception that government can “do something,” but this is politics and it is part of the game unfortunately.

WashJeff on February 12, 2009 at 9:50 AM

As the predictable results from the misguided pork bill and tax cheat administration trickle in, the numbers for dems will only get worse. I’m only surprised by the speed these numbers are moving, not the direction.

Vashta.Nerada on February 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM

You would give anyone more credit if you could use it to hammer conservatives. I will say you are consistent in your attempts to inject doubt into the minds on the right. Much better than your fellow trolls. However, you should work on your first posts for each thread as they are becoming more and more predictable.

genso on February 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Barone does caution that we’re a long way away from the midterm elections, and that a lot can change between then and now.

Yes, ACORN is getting more cash to mobilize and defraud. Thanks to the Chief Community Organizer.

sherry on February 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Remember this:

There is a HUGE difference between the GOP gaining power and doing what the right wants.

I am convinced by history, that they will not roll back any significant spending or programs.

I’m referring to the House, as the Senate is gone for a LONG time.

artist on February 12, 2009 at 9:53 AM

The fix is in.

fogw on February 12, 2009 at 9:43 AM

The 2010 census does not change the representation numbers in time to effect the 2010 elections. And, if things go the way I expect, no amount of fixing will save Barry in 2012.

Vashta.Nerada on February 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM

artist on February 12, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Cannot dispute your read on recent history, but the House GOP leadership for the most part is a good conservative bunch (e.g., Cantor). The real test, as we all know, is when they are the majority. Can they govern and retain their principles? i hope we get to see that day in Jan 2011.

WashJeff on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM

And, if things go the way I expect, no amount of fixing will save Barry in 2012.

Vashta.Nerada on February 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM

$4 billion for ACORN in the stimulus bill. There’s some fixins for ya.

fogw on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM

its bad enough 40% are retarded enough to identify with the DNC

jp on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Barone does caution that we’re a long way away from the midterm elections, and that a lot can change between then and now. However, he also says that the Democrats have to worry about a massive shift in the House, perhaps losing most of the Blue Dog gains from 2006 and 2008. Marginal districts could easily flip back, creating a difficult second half of the Obama presidency.

The first 100 days hasn’t been exactly easy for the filthy liar. The rank incompetence and corruption is as stunning as the amount of money the Democrats are going to force the nation to spend. I think there is a lot of anger out there as a result of it becoming clear that there is no change in DC but more of the same only in massive proportions because of the Demcrat’s political advantage. Barone is right that these polls are somewhat meaningless as an auger towards the midterm elections but, that being said, I would suggest the filthy liar and criminals like Pelosi and Reid don’t have anywhere near 21 months to change public perceptions. To date they seem oblivious to the anger from their arrogance and “we won” mentality.

highhopes on February 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM

DeathToMediaHacks on February 12, 2009 at 9:47 A

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Hell is freezing over; I actually agree with you on this one Hack. Scott nailed it the last two election cycles. Must give credit where credit is due.

Keemo on February 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Vashta.Nerada on February 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I am sure Rahm will find a way to include early voting ballots with the Census packet. They will also apply their statisical sampling methodology for population counts on 2010 voting. Joking…I hope.

WashJeff on February 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM

Baxter Greene on February 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Thanks for the links. Considering how important the role of comedic ridicule played in this election, we can only hope that they continue and keep up the good work.

sherry on February 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM

$4 billion for ACORN in the stimulus bill. There’s some fixins for ya.

fogw on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Actually I heard something on the news this morning that the racist Congressional Black Caucus is coming out in protest for the $4 billion in “neighborhood revitalization” that was cut from the final bill. I’m not 100% positive but I think this was the ACORN money. If it was cut it was because Pelosi and Reid figured out that it would be a rallying point for the opposition. They will attempt to sneak money to these criminals on some other bill.

highhopes on February 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM

The Democrats are using this model for political calculation:

- steal money from rich people and give it to poor people in exchange for long-term party identity, and

- control the census politically to ensure an overcount of poor people.

I’m no expert on history, but I don’t believe this is Stalinist. What is it, exactly? Just good, dirty politics? And if so, what else could be described as “just good, dirty politics”?

Jaibones on February 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM

They will attempt to sneak money to these criminals on some other bill.

highhopes on February 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM

They have given themselves massive leeway on how all of the money is spent. Can’t wait to go online and see all of the promised transparency.

genso on February 12, 2009 at 10:02 AM

To date they seem oblivious to the anger from their arrogance and “we won” mentality.

highhopes on February 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Good point. We can only hope their egos remain inflated. It will be insufferable but worth the wait.

sherry on February 12, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Rahm is frantically rejiggering the cencus process as we speak.

marklmail on February 12, 2009 at 10:03 AM

filthy liar

highhopes on February 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Mornin’ highhopes. Looks like AP and Ed got to you. Oh well, it’s probably safer.

BigD on February 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM

If the economy melts down the Dems will be out the door and Obama will not get elected. As much as I would love to see that happen, I sure as hell do not want to see the economy implode. If the economy recovers quickly they will be heroes.

Chances are the economy will stall and be stagnant (I hope it is only that bad) and if that is the case the GOP has some hope.

Mr. Joe on February 12, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Rahm is frantically rejiggering the cencus process as we speak.

marklmail on February 12, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Excellent point. I will take it one further. I think the entire administration is working harder on selling themselves than actually creating any plans. Geithner is the perfect example. The eternal campaign.

genso on February 12, 2009 at 10:06 AM

All the Polling and speculating is a mute point next to the issue of ACORN.
Right now they are already planning a complete takeover of the entire election system. That is why democrats will never be in fear from any decision they make.

If the RNC does not form a giant watchdog group to monitor and expose every move they make, we can kiss 2010 & 2012 good bye!

Wonder if Specter, Snowe and Collins were given an assurance of some help from ACORN and Obama in 2010.. wink.. wink

katy on February 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM

What good would Republicans winning do for anyone? They had control of everything from 2000 – 2006 and what exactly did they do? They grew the size and reach of the federal government, spent like drunken sailors (my apologies to drunken sailors), and failed to push any sort of conservative/libertarian agenda whatsoever. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If going to rock-bottom with this collectivist/socialist Repulicrat party is where we have to go to get liberty-loving, small government leaders into our government – then fine by me. We may almost be there anyway.

King of the Britons on February 12, 2009 at 10:09 AM

$4 billion for ACORN in the stimulus bill. There’s some fixins for ya.

fogw on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Sickening. Pad the voting booths with morons to maintain political power. To hell with the best interests of the country.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:11 AM

highhopes on February 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Thanks. I didn’t know it was cut in the final version of the bill. I concur, they’ll find a way to sneak it through or if all else fails they’ll just ask Soros to cough up another $4 billion.

fogw on February 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM

What was the underlying porpose of the second ammendment again?

I wonder if this bill coupled with blanket amnesty coupled with a huge expansion of the welfare state coupled with heavier taxation will convince the right wing kooks that the threshold of government run amock has been crossed?

It is very worrysome.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:19 AM

I’m investing in pitchforks and torches

Bevan on February 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM

What was the underlying porpose of the second ammendment again?

I wonder if this bill coupled with blanket amnesty coupled with a huge expansion of the welfare state coupled with heavier taxation will convince the right wing kooks that the threshold of government run amock has been crossed?

It is very worrysome.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:19 AM

The colonies revolted against a far, far less oppressive English government than what we face today in this country. I guess they would be in the “right wing kook” category in your book, no? Is there any threshold that government could cross in your eyes to warrant abolition?

King of the Britons on February 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

I’ll plead the 5th.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM

Is there any threshold that government could cross in your eyes to warrant abolition?

King of the Britons on February 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

No. People will always cling to what they know. That’s the shrewd beauty of Obama’s “hopenchange.” People claim they want change, but they don’t really. No one wants to give up the sinking ship to swim for it until the ship is no longer afloat.

genso on February 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM

I also forgot to mention taking away our gun and ammunition rights.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:30 AM

When one gets a little older, thier tollerance for abuse gets lower. Some get to the point where life isn’t worth living if you have to grovel and cow tow to what you know is wrong.

What was the moto “Live Free or Die? Wasn’t that a lib state? A particular can do mind set and self reliance is what made this country great, and now this value is under mortal attack. Helplessness and victimhood make up the new mantra. It seems these people really want to lower our common denominator to be on par with lesser countries. To me it is clearly counterproductive.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:37 AM

A particular can do mind set and self reliance is what made this country great, and now this value is under mortal attack. Helplessness and victimhood make up the new mantra. It seems these people really want to lower our common denominator to be on par with lesser countries. To me it is clearly counterproductive.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:37 AM

Yes, and it will be those same can do people who will have to drag the corpse of this country back up after the socialists are through with their Utopian experiment.

genso on February 12, 2009 at 10:39 AM

Unless the Democrats really foul up the economy and push us into a depression, the recession should bottom out this year and start recovering in 2010.

Unless? You must have missed the impending infliction of the ‘Stimulus Bill’ against the American people and economy.

It’s just the start of the spending, “unless” is the last word to use here.

Bishop on February 12, 2009 at 10:44 AM

It’s just the start of the spending, “unless” is the last word to use here.

Bishop on February 12, 2009 at 10:44 AM

And about the time of a normal recovery, we will be hit with higher inflation and higher interest rates. That’ll spur a lot of growth….in government intrusion.

genso on February 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM

I’m investing in pitchforks and torches
Bevan on February 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Invest in steel and lead instead, preferably the kind that comes in handgun and bullet shapes.

Bishop on February 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Invest in steel and lead instead, preferably the kind that comes in handgun and bullet shapes.

Bishop on February 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM

Make no mistake about it, people are doing just that in an unpresidented scale. If you don’t believe it, contact some of the major firearm and ammo distributors. A large part of the public senses trouble ahead and are preparing for it in a big way. When the libs come for our guns, it shoulds get interesting.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

FOX News is reporting money for STDs and ACORN may have been slipped back into the house bill.

fogw on February 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Unless the Democrats really foul up the economy and push us into a depression, the recession should bottom out this year and start recovering in 2010.

Ed, I’m pleased you are finally seeing the possibility of a worse economy in 2010. A worse economy is not a guaranty of a Democratic electoral decline in 2010. FDR and his minions got elected for a decade.

burt on February 12, 2009 at 10:52 AM

ACORN. Rewarding failure and institutionalizing it at the same time.

Victimhood in it’s full glory.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Does Michael Barone have any credibility anymore? Remember on election night when he claimed to have insider knowledge on PA and cautioned against calling too early…and then Obama won it by 10 points. He is an openly conservative pollster, I’d even give Scott Rasmussen a ton more credit than this guy.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM

He’s openly conservative but he’s not a pollster (at least not anymore, he used to work for Hart). I’d say he still retains credibility despite the mistakes because of all the other pop-poli-sci research he does (Almanac of American Politics and all that, still a useful resource).

That said, I’m sure he’d be heartbroken he doesn’t meet that rigid, inflexible, not-the-least-bit-self-serving standard you apply around here.

DrSteve on February 12, 2009 at 10:56 AM

Nixon spoke of the “Silent Majority”. The dems are working frantically to change the composition of that majority into the “Victim Class”.

Fortunately, winners win and non-winners don’t. It’s hard to keep good men down, but easy to pacify fools.

saiga on February 12, 2009 at 10:57 AM

He is an openly conservative pollster, I’d even give Scott Rasmussen a ton more credit than this guy.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Give me a break. Nate Silver is openly liberal and he got it right in 2008, so obviously partisanship doesn’t preclude one from correct predictions. Barone knows more about electoral politics in this country than the next ten pollsters on the list combined.

And if you think Democrats aren’t in fact worried by the generic ballot polling – basically Barone’s message here – you’re crazy.

Missy on February 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM

You are misreading the numbers. This recession is becoming very entrenched. The CEOs yesterday were evidence of that.

Whoever is in power gets an attagirl or boy and two pats on the back for the first 90 days then the slow erosion begins. People get tired of seeing them on TV. People get tired of doom or gloor or everything is rosey.

People get cantankerous that is why the party in power loses seats in the off year elections. That is why negative advertising works. For the Democrats to be sliding this fast at this stage of the game they are in serious trouble.

If I was a blue dog (also known as a chcickens**t) democrat I would be looking to pick a fight so as to switch parties. Remeber the revolution of 1993 actually began in 1982 with Phil Graham in 1982.

Graham uttered that famouse phrase when he said that “I had a choice to vote for Tip O’Neil or for my friends and neighbors here in Texas. I chose Texas.” Then he switched parties.

Jdripper on February 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I’ll say one thing…I find too many normal people either out of the loop with what is going on or indifferent due to the press and clutch of daily life and having a bit of fun, not worrying.

Unless THAT state of things changes, the ideologues from the Left will rule the day.

Take the recent disclosures about Henrietta Homless…the label “grifter” comes to mind…and no MSM coverage, another fraud (and probable set-up) they will bury unless too many people talk about it too much to ignore. I truly pity the woman who promised her a home.

Harry Schell on February 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

I just realized something. Obama went to Indiana and Florida for his town hall meetings because both are swing states. I saw this this perpetual campaign coming but damn. I hoping people get sick of all this hope and change.

Even if the economy rebounds dramatically what happens to all those folks who are expecting Obama to give them kitchens, cars, better jobs, and homes? We all know that Obama isn’t going to walk up to these people with a big check and ballons but they are convinced of that. Obama to them is the lottery and just like the lottery they will never win. Their lives are not going to change. Do the Miss Hughes of the world ever become discouraged and lose hope?

peterargus on February 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Baxter Greene on February 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Thanks for the links. Considering how important the role of comedic ridicule played in this election, we can only hope that they continue and keep up the good work.

sherry on February 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM

You are right.This 24/7 cycle that liberal pundits enact against conservatives does effect independents and erode credibility in the eyes of people that are not informed.

This is a good example:

On Election day twelve Obama voters were interviewed extensively right after they voted to learn how the news media impacted their knowledge of what occurred during the campaign. These voters were chosen for their apparent intelligence/verbal abilities and willingness to express their opinions to a large audience. The rather shocking video below seeks to provide some insight into which information broke through the news media clutter and which did not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8&eurl=http://www.howobamagotelected.com/&feature=player_embedded

I know many have seen this but it reflects a large part of the electorate and how they get their “news”.

Baxter Greene on February 12, 2009 at 12:30 PM

Ed,

You and economists calling for an end for the recession this year are living in the land of unicorns. Just yesterday a report came out that the european banks are sitting on $24 Trillion in bad debt. That does not even to begin to factor in the $50 Trillion lost since september that Murdoch said the world economy lost. All of that loss has to work its way into the system yet. A lot of deflation is to occur. Things will get worse and the $3 or $10 trillion the gov has pumped into the system is chickenfeed compared to $75 trillion of loss.

Dow will get to 3000 by 2012.

unseen on February 12, 2009 at 12:32 PM