Video: “Administration’s Mulligan”
posted at 8:16 am on February 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
I got a couple of e-mails expressing surprise that Brian Williams would go after Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, but after looking at it, it’s less than you’d think. Williams asks Geithner to respond to the remarks on Capitol Hill that he’s Barack Obama’s Mulligan — the one mistake on which they gave the new administration a pass. He does no follow-up, though, which makes Williams’ next question highly ironic:
Williams wants to know if Geithner — the tax evader! — thinks CEOs should go to jail for their economic choices over the last few years? How can Geithner make that case, after evading taxes for years? If anyone deserves a little time in the cooler, it was the man across from Williams, and the man Williams let off the hook far too easily in this interview.










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YAY! The much anticipated ‘Geithner Fumbles’ thread!
Mr Purple on February 11, 2009 at 8:20 AM
The Man who was too big too fail the confirmation process, despite being a tax cheat, FAILS to deliver out of the gate.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Fletch54 on February 11, 2009 at 8:20 AM
Did somebody put that man’s head on crooked?
Glenn Jericho on February 11, 2009 at 8:21 AM
It’s all so hard to believe. He seems like such a nice boy.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 8:22 AM
The “indispensible” man. How long before he’s disposable?
Wethal on February 11, 2009 at 8:22 AM
I saw this interview. To describe it as “going after” is have to redefine the term. Later, CNBC economist, Steve Liesman, who has been carrying the water for Obama for the past year, joined the interview to help Geithner. But, I agree with some of the comments from another thread. Geithner will be sacrificed before any criticism gets close to Obama.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 8:24 AM
I would call Brian Williams a hack journalist, but journalists don’t exist in the MSM any longer. So, he really is just par for the course.
csdeven on February 11, 2009 at 8:24 AM
What scares me is this: Republicans said that whoever 0bama had waiting in the wings was, if you could believe it, worse.
Sekhmet on February 11, 2009 at 8:25 AM
I hope there are some right-minded researchers digging into the rest of this creep’s past…I’m still having fantasies about what Woodward was alluding to.
anniekc on February 11, 2009 at 8:26 AM
Of course Williams won’t go after Geithner, he was chosen by the Infallible Super Chump and therefore a stellar individual.
Bishop on February 11, 2009 at 8:26 AM
ISn’t Williams the one who said on the Tonight Show that Obama was the best president in “generations”? Any criticims of the One’s appointments reflects on his judgment. Or it would, if the media wasn’t so biased.
Wethal on February 11, 2009 at 8:27 AM
I didn’t catch this interview. If I have to choose among the three major networks, I always go with ABC News. They’re biased, but at least they have Jake Tapper.
But unfortunately I was subjected last night to Terry “Moron” lobbing unbelievable softballs to Obama. He actually asked him if he thought he’d been “too nice” in his pathetic attempt at reaching out to Republicans over the stimulus bill.
“Too nice”?! Is that what bashing Rush Limbaugh, claiming “I won”, deferring to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, accusing the GOP’s philosophy of lower spending and tax cuts for causing the current economic crisis, and alleging that every Republican in Congress would prefer to do nothing constitutes? If so, I’d hate to see Obama when he’s in a bad mood.
Doughboy on February 11, 2009 at 8:29 AM
The Obama administration created JOBS IN FLORIDA!!
Who didn’t see this coming from 100 miles away?
Bicyea on February 11, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Well, he does seem to lean to the left.
MikeA on February 11, 2009 at 8:29 AM
Liesman is a despicable hack. He’s so obviously shilling for Obama that he’s lost all credibility. He’s not a dumb guy, just a total moron.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 8:30 AM
The only sector with consistent job growth over the past 2 quarters is the government. And that was before this latest expansion of government coming from the stimulus.
And boy, won’t it be funny to watch all those government employees whine when those jobs are slashed after this crisis is over. /sarc
genso on February 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM
now that the news-readers are the news, there is not even the appearance of objectivity any longer.
biggest.sham.in.history
gatorboy on February 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM
Another useful idiot. CNBC has quite a few.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM
thinks CEOs should go to jail for their economic choices over the last few years? How can Geithner make that case, after evading taxes for years?
You’ve got to be kidding me. You’re equating not paying around $30,000 in taxes to what the CEOs and Wall Street Wizards have done to this country over the past few years?
We’re in the worst financial crisis in close to a century and you’re playing petty political games. No, what Geithner did wasn’t OK. But, Obama tapped him as the man for the job and he has a very important job to do.
And you’re trying to undercut him in the name of petty politics.
Country First, indeed.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Who cares about CEOs, what I want to know is why aren’t Barney Frank and Chris Dodd in jail?
These are the guys who blew it.
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 8:38 AM
Geithner got uniformly crucified by the press. NRO documents it:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmM2NzlhODYzMDY3ZTQzNzYyMDE1MDBjNWQyNjE0MTk=
If we’re looking for a replacement, NRO points to a WaPo article featuring a banker who might fit the bill. I encourage you to read this entry:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmFiZWFhMjg3ZWRlMDA1NTc3ZTBkODcxYjljZjc0NTc=
More Geithner today. Boy, would I rather see Romney running this thing. If nothing else, he’d send a positive message that Americans and the markets are the sources of our solutions, not Democrats and government.
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 8:38 AM
You’ve got to be kidding me. You’re equating not paying around $30,000 in taxes to what the CEOs and Wall Street Wizards have done to this country over the past few years?
We’re in the worst financial crisis in close to a century and you’re playing petty political games. No, what Geithner did wasn’t OK. But, Obama tapped him as the man for the job and he has a very important job to do.
And you’re trying to undercut him in the name of petty politics.
Country First, indeed.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Jeff Immelt, CEO of GE, parent company of the two Obama networks and now an economic adviser.
Explain that one to me.
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 8:40 AM
Obama thinks he can just smile and say “y’all” and everything is forgiven.
To his devoted, self-blinded acolytes, it will be… until the sad folly of his tyro incompetence startles even them awake.
How soon?
profitsbeard on February 11, 2009 at 8:41 AM
A mulligan is a do-over. A second chance after you send your ball into the woods.
This isn’t a mulligan. This shot was sent into the woods – but we were told this was the only ball we could use and it could have only landed in the middle of the fairway.
That’s flat out lying and cheating.
Mr Purple on February 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Agreed. Here’s encouraging news on Dodd:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjZmYThhY2FmYzc0MzYyZjZjM2MwYmQ1NGZlNmI1ZDQ=
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM
Did he used to have a job on Star Trek? The head-lean reminds me of Riker.
hawksruleva on February 11, 2009 at 8:42 AM
You are either another hack for the administration or you do not have the ability to make a reasoned argument. Geithner was in charge of the NY Fed during this meltdown. He is personally complicit in this whole fiasco.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 8:43 AM
I keep looking for a “Dow Drops More than 300 Over Obama TARP Plan” headline today, but I can’t seem to find one.
Instead I find articles about Lincoln’s 200th birthday that are laced with Obama references. Even the articles on the Westminster Kennel Club “Best in Show” dog are laced with Obama.
BigD on February 11, 2009 at 8:45 AM
Explain that one to me.
He’s a part of the economic recovery advisory board, which is made up of non-governmental experts. I can’t say I know much about him or GE’s practices over the past couple years, but not ALL CEOs have acted poorly over the past few years.
And I think it smart to include people who are “in the trenches” so to speak, to help advise how to get the economy back on its feet.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Even MSNBC’s Morning Joe has awakened and realized this.
Geithner’s on his way to epic failure. Somebody analogized his performance to being invited over for a gourmet dinner (by Obama in his Monday press conference) and arriving for dinner only to be given a shopping list to go shopping for ingredients.
Classic.
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Well, if CEOs broke laws, they should go to jail. But if they’re guilty of getting paid for the stock INCREASES that there companies saw until last year, what’s the crime? If they’re guilty of buckling to government pressure to provide loans to unqualified homebuyers, what’s the crime? if they’re guilty of following the policy of two GSEs on housing, what did they do wrong?
CEOs of failed banks get punished. They lose their job. That severance package sounds like a lot, but they’re used to earning a whole lot of money? And just for putting up with government and trying to run a successful business, they deserve it.
hawksruleva on February 11, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Another example of the dumbing down of America. A GPA of 3.0 is not “superior academic achievement”. Well I guess for government work it is.
angryed on February 11, 2009 at 8:48 AM
You’ve got to be kidding me. You’re equating not paying around $30,000 in taxes to what the CEOs and Wall Street Wizards have done to this country over the past few years?
You’ve got to be kidding yourself. $30,000 only seems small because you’re comparing it against larger numbers, yet $30k in unpaid taxes would land you or I in jail.
Geithner didn’t pay his taxes, intentionally. I don’t give a crap if it was one grand or thirty, he didn’t pay and that makes him suspect.
Bishop on February 11, 2009 at 8:48 AM
So when is it a crime, worthy of jail time, to make a mistake? Especially when being forced by agents of govt to make that mistake?
MarkTheGreat on February 11, 2009 at 8:50 AM
Again you show your foolishness. GE makes wind turbines and those great earth-saving lightbulbs among other things. Obama is picking the business winners to fit his agenda and paying them off with access. You won’t hear so much about the problems with GE Capital and toxic assets because of this relationship. Do some research instead of just crapping on this board.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 8:51 AM
GE’s in the tank during Immelt tenure. And for Obama to include the CEO of the entity owning the two media outlets that are his most ardent cheerleaders is an extraordinary conflict of interest. But then Chris Dodd is head of the Senate Finance Committtee.
When is Geithner going to ask Obama for his gift tax return for the $64,000 gift Obama made to Rezko’s wife a few years ago? I don’t see Geithner commanding any respect in the next few years.
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 8:51 AM
No we are not. The media has tricked easily gullible people like into thinking it is. And by extension, tricked you into supporting a $2T liberal tax and spend orgamatron of a pork bill/bailout.
In reality we are in a recession that compared to other recessions is nothing to get overly excited about.
In the early 1980s unemployment hit 11%. In 1992 when Clinton was telling us the end of the world was coming if he didn’t get elected, unemployment hit 7.8%.
Today…a whopping 7.6%. Ooooohhh scaaarrryyy stuff
angryed on February 11, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Geithner was in charge of the NY Fed during this meltdown. He is personally complicit in this whole fiasco.
Geithner wanted to save Leihman Bros., but was overruled by Paulson. Many — especially in hindsight — believe that bailing out Leihman Bros. would have helped keep the situation from hitting the lows that it did.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 8:53 AM
Dumbass.
Exactly why he shouldn’t have chosen him.
Which Republican cheats do you excuse so blithely?
Immelt is a lefty prick who has taken GE to it’s lowest level. Both the dividend and the rating of America’s once premier tech conglomerate is set to plunge. Immelt runs MSNBC, NBC and the other related far left liberal media sites. Immelt has been an unmitigated disaster for GE. I might add that GE has been rescued by the federal gov’t from bankruptcy as a result of propping up GE capital. Obama owns Immelt.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 8:54 AM
black.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM
We have a crisis of leadership and confidence in the country and dolts like this are only making it worse. To add to this chaos the congress and the administration are making the Keystone Cops look like the epitome of organization.
rplat on February 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM
He’s using what is becoming the common Obama lexicon: “I screwed up,” “the crisis,” “it’s going to take a long time.”
BTW, is the video distorted or does Geithner really have such an elongated head? Is this man literally a pinhead?
EMD on February 11, 2009 at 8:56 AM
What the hell are you talking about? Geithner was in authority to specifically oversee the actions of all those firms on wall street. You want to give him a pass because he was overruled by Paulson after four years of looking the other way? Please leave. You’re pathetic and sad.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 8:57 AM
Sorry if I think that putting a tax cheat at the helm of the IRS is a bad idea, both in terms of competence and in ethics. If that’s not “Country First” to you, then so be it. I guess you’d cheer if Obama appointed Duke Cunningham as Defense Secretary and William Jefferson to HHS, too?
As Treasury Secretary, Geithner will preside over the prosecutions of tax evaders who did what Geithner did, only he got to run Treasury for doing it. That’s what’s pathetic, and if you weren’t such a partisan, you’d realize it.
Ed Morrissey on February 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Ramsey was just on F&F holding a tea bag up suggesting the American people “throw a party” for our government and their irresponsible actions.
Rovin on February 11, 2009 at 8:58 AM
If Williams didn’t serve as an arm of the democratic party he might have done a little research that shows Geithner was a willing partner and worked side by side with some of these CEO’s.
Where Was Geithner in Turmoil?
By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/business/25sorkin.html?_r=1&dbk
Mr. “taxes are only for the little people” would have to be in jail right along with them.
Geithner,Dodd,Barney Frank,Charlie Rangel…on…and…on…and..on.
This administration and it’s supposed “ethics” and “transparency” is nothing but a joke.
Baxter Greene on February 11, 2009 at 9:01 AM
So when is it a crime, worthy of jail time, to make a mistake? Especially when being forced by agents of govt to make that mistake?
I don’t recall the IRS or anyone suggesting Geithner should have serve jail time for his offense. He was hit for something like $14,000 in penalties.
Again, I don’t condone what he has done, but he was confirmed and he’s the man on the job now. And I don’t think the tax issue hinders him from being able to deal with this crisis.
Bringing it up and comparing it to trading bad assets and risking the entire economy in the pursuit of money is just petty undermining.
If that’s what Ed wants to do, fine. He has the right. The rest of the country will move on and try and deal with this crisis.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 9:01 AM
The only way Dodd fails to get re-elected by those nitwits in Connecticut is if he drops dead and even then he probably stands a decent chance of winning and of Harry Reid seating him.
Be hopelessly corrupt and completely incompetent and get re-elected. It’s the Democrat Party way.
Same with Rump Ranger Barney Frank. He stabbed the US economy in the back and he got re-elected and that idiot Pelosi still has him in charge of the Banking Committee.
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Credibility is always relevant. The excuses surrounding the gross-up mix-up are simply too big a stretch.
Geithner came from the factory with a major design flaw, we knew it, and we didn’t ask for an RMA number. No warranty service for us.
I actually thought he did better yesterday than in the hearings, but my 401k disagrees with me.
DrSteve on February 11, 2009 at 9:02 AM
At first I was mad that they confirmed Geithner. Obama said that he was the right guy at the right time. I see why Republicans did not fight it. They knew this guy was a bozo and said sure Mr. President you are right, you must have Geithner.
izoneguy on February 11, 2009 at 9:02 AM
Why not?
btw, did Rangel or Daschle pay penalities? I don’t think so :)
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 9:03 AM
The same people that saw so many connections with the Bush administration to Diebold voting machines,Haliburton, and big oil all of a sudden can’t find any corrupt connections now that Obama is President.
What a joke.
Baxter Greene on February 11, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Actually, the rest of the country isn’t going along. Haven’t you noticed?
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Too funny. Now you show your incompetence. What do you think drives any economy? Seriously, do you have a job or do you take a government check each month. I think you should disclose that.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:05 AM
Actually, the rest of the country isn’t going along. Haven’t you noticed?
The rest of the country doesn’t want to deal with the crisis?
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Same with Rump Ranger Barney Frank. He stabbed the US economy in the back and he got re-elected and that idiot Pelosi still has him in charge of the Banking Committee.
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:02 AM
No argument here.
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 9:06 AM
By trusting that the demonstrably corrupt and incompetent administration appointees have all of the answers that our ridiculously unqualified/unaccomplished president doesn’t have.
I’m also hoping my Pittsburgh Pirates will win the World Series next year and they probably have a better chance at doing that, than Geithner and the rest of the Obama circus have of solving this mess of the Democrat’s creation.
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Today, we will get to watch him lead the PR perp-walk of the banking executives.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Too funny. Now you show your incompetence. What do you think drives any economy?
You’re right, that was poorly worded. But, still accurate. The fact is they traded bad assets when they shouldn’t have and it’s what started this entire meltdown. The pursuit of money is a constant. It’s the imprudent pursuit of it that got us in this mess.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 9:08 AM
Tom Shipley: You argue like a teenage girl.
BigD on February 11, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Which is why you fail in defense of Geithner. He was the authority in charge of those actions and did nothing to stop them.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Oh Geithner doing a pretty good job of undercutting himself. He doesn’t need OUR help. Just check the reviews of his performance yesterday.
“I Screwed Up” – Obama
“I Screwed Up” – Geithner
Is that the new slogan of this administration? That inspires confidence – not.
PackerBronco on February 11, 2009 at 9:11 AM
No. What started this is the mortgages that should never have been written, save for the interventions of the Democrats in Fannie. The trading wasn’t the problem. The problem is that some large % of them are now crap, and were crap when they were originated.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 9:13 AM
If Barney Frank gets run over by a Metro Bus on his way to those hearings, the Dow would soar 2,000 points.
Watching Barney Frank grill the bank executives will be like watching Al Capone grill Joe the Plumber.
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:13 AM
We have a political crisis now interfering with the solving of the financial one. The boy Messiah picked the boy banker. Oh boy.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 9:14 AM
I’m waiting for one of these guys to implicate Frank and/or Dodd. Not betting on it, but it would raise the level of this debate.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:15 AM
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.9
And I often wonder where was our adoring media when these numbers were present? (silence). While state and federal coffers were piling up revenues, Governors, Congress,(and yes the Bush admin.) were still out there creating new entitlements and spending like there was no tomorrow. After two years of having control of the Senate and House,(the only entity that has the power legislate spending), how much longer can the Democrats claim they inherited “this mess”?
Rovin on February 11, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Hard to argue with JiangxiDad immediately above. The injection site for the bad assets was in large measure the GSEs. They put the Federal good housekeeping seal of approval on “fire and forget” mortgages.
DrSteve on February 11, 2009 at 9:16 AM
Hey Tom, wasn’t it more fun ankle biting George Bush than it is playing defense for Barry?
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:16 AM
True, but that doesn’t mean that right has become wrong, and the up is now down. It means that this can only lead to ruin, which is right. The world works.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 9:16 AM
No no no no no no no no.
The imprudent pursuit of money is part of the human condition. It will ALWAYS be there. The problem comes when the imprudent pursuit – and use – of money is not punished. For example when you make subprime loans to people who are not good credit risks, that is an imprudent use of money. When those imprudent loans are repackaged and sold off as securities, that’s an imprudent use of money. But that imprudent use of money goes unpunished when the actors involved believe that they will protected from their imprudence by the government.
The philosophy of privatize profits but nationalize risks is a main contributing factor to this current mess and I’m seeing no signs of anyone in this administration coming to grips with that basic fact.
PackerBronco on February 11, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Got to give some credit here. Really getting your ass kicked and still coming back for more.
So go ahead and respond to this post and ignore
BigWyo on February 11, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Calling out Barney Frank would be the highest form of patriotism and it might even force the media to take their collective heads out of the Donkey’s rectum for at least one moment, anyway.
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:17 AM
First, interest and penalties are two separate matters. And within the penalities category, the IRS has several penalties that it could apply. Geithner paid interest only. In other words, Geithner repaid the federal government for the use of the tax money that he’d retained for the time that he left the tax unpaid. Interest is non-waivable. Interest is not a penalty. Got that?
As I understand it, the IRS waived the penalties that could have been imposed on Geithner. I can think of four penalties that are usually in the IRS arsenal: failure to timely file a return (not applicable, he filed returns); failure to timely pay tax (applicable and should have been imposed); substantial underpayment of tax (depends on his tax situation for that year, it might have applied); fraud (under the circumstances, it might have been applicable). Again, it’s hard to understand how Geithner avoided penalties when his conduct veered beyond negligence to callous disregard of the law possibly stumbling into intentional avoidance.
Second, Geithner’s callous disregard for the law in signing several IMF statements and several U.S. Forms 1040 under penalty of perjury while cheating on his taxes go directly to Geithner’s character and integrity. For me, he’ll never be intelligent enough or experienced enough to overcome his considerable character and integrity deficit. Hell, he has yet to even admit that he consciously lied on his tax returns.
Geither has no credibility when offering his counsel to Obama and to the American people.
Americans deserve better.
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 9:22 AM
2020 U.S. History Books
Chapter 2-Government Financing
Section 1-“I Screwed Up”
Rovin on February 11, 2009 at 9:22 AM
Just heard someone ask a trader if Geithner could say anything today that could hurt the market more than yesterday. I’ve never seen a more political market. No wonder the traders don’t want to have anything to do with it.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:23 AM
My thinking is they will use the idea of “nationalized” risk to now justify “nationalized” profits. They’re taking a beating for sure, but they’re still on the path they want to be.
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 9:24 AM
Geithner wasn’t a Mulligan. He was more along the lines of pretending that the tee shot didn’t go in the water and surreptitiously dropping a new ball in the middle of the fairway. Now the second shot was hooked, horribly, and smacked some old lady in the head, but the BHO admin has dropped another ball on the green and is pretending that it was the second shot. … … And everyone in the neo-Pravda media is pretending that they didn’t see anything.
progressoverpeace on February 11, 2009 at 9:24 AM
“Jail?” Duck! Oh crap don’t mention that place.
RalphyBoy on February 11, 2009 at 9:26 AM
Hey Tom, wasn’t it more fun ankle biting George Bush than it is playing defense for Barry?
Absolutely. And, actually, I really don’t have a problem with anyone criticizing Obama. I just would like to see it kept to policy, especially when the country is in such dire economic straights.
We have a political crisis now interfering with the solving of the financial one. The boy Messiah picked the boy banker. Oh boy.
Well, here’s the thing. I’m sure you’re aware of the old saying “pick your battles.” This political “crisis” really only exists in places like this. Now, by hammering away at the tax issue, you’re attempting to make it bigger.
If it became bigger, it would undermine Geithner’s and Obama’s ability to deal with this crisis. Again, you can pursue a tactic of undermining Geithner and Obama, or you can choose to focus on the problem at hand. It’s your choice.
Obama has had a rocky start. But then again, no president since FDR has faced such a big crisis on day one of the job. If you recall, Bush didn’t really do all that much his first few months in office. He was pretty low-key.
Due to circumstance, Obama has had to hit the ground at sprint.
The way I look at it, the country is facing a large crisis. Now, you can either work toward a solution to those problems or try and undermine the administrations credibility. The former would be preferable.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Tool
pain train on February 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Gee, I can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want to invest when the president based his entire campaign on badmouthing the country and the economy, coordinated with the Democrats in Congress.
And now economist Barry says that if he doesn’t get this bloated, idiotic “stimulus” through Congress, the economy will tank.
Finally, Barney Frank is in charge of banking, lemme go get my checkbook, what could possibly go wrong with that?
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:30 AM
To accept this argument, one would have to accept socialism as the proper course to solve the problem. This is the dividing line. If you accept that premise, then you can present no useful debate on this thread.
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:30 AM
It’s all so reasonable. Reminds me of how we all came together during the Iraq war. Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya…
JiangxiDad on February 11, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Well yeah, but then we were just trying to lose a war in order to improve the Democrat’s electoral chances.
It worked! So there’s no need for us to fight amongst ourselves any longer, as long as we all go along with exactly what the Democrats want to do.
See how easy the one way street called unity is?
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM
It’s all so reasonable. Reminds me of how we all came together during the Iraq war. Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya…
But Iraq was about policy. Iraq was about actual actions by the administration.
Most supported invading Afghanistan. It wasn’t until Bush made the strategic decision to invade Iraq that people really started to oppose his administration’s actions.
And the thing is, Obama has been trying to work with Republicans. He put more tax cuts into the bill. They’ve cut some programs that Republicans found unappealing. Yet, you guys act as if Obama is simply trying to railroad through without taking Republican concerns into account.
But, whatever.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 9:39 AM
That video still really accentuates Geithner’s fivehead.
Rae on February 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Are you in this world? Do you live in a parallel universe? Or is it that you do not have the capacity to see the difference between a PR campaign and earnest effort?
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:42 AM
So it’s OK to undermine the Commander in Chief during a time of war because you disagree with him for taking the country to a war that had a helluva lot more bi-partisan support in Congress than this stinker of a Bill does?
But it’s not OK to try to undermine support for a Bill rife full of payouts to Democrat donors/supporters that even the CBO says is worse than doing nothing at all?
Especially when your beloved Democrats can pass it pretty much without the support of any Republicans whatsoever?
If this Bill would provide stimulus, the markets already would have reacted, whether or not Republicans or the comments section of Hot Air, supported the Bill.
It hasn’t stimulated the markets because it’s a dud and an anchor.
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 9:45 AM
<iOr is it that you do not have the capacity to see the difference between a PR campaign and earnest effort?
It’s not just a PR campaign. There were substantial tax cuts added to the plan and programs cut.
The problem is, Republicans want him to abandon the idea that an influx of government money is needed to help boost the economy.
They just want tax cuts. And considering this approach did nothing to stem the tide just last year, it’s time for a different approach.
As Obama noted, the democrats won. That means, that fundamental point will not change. Republicans will not get all tax cuts and cut all new spending. But Obama whas worked with them to make this bill more palatable.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Face time meet-and-greets don’t constitute working Republicans. Seriously, Obama’s like the guy at the bar who’s entirely willing to listen to the babe at the bar drone on about her problems while he’s watching Sportscenter and before taking her home to bone her and never call her again.
Spare me. Obama said that we’ll see unparalleled transparency in his administration. And he’s right–his efforts are completely transparent.
Besides. He has the votes in both houses. I wish he’d quit whining, pass the damn thing, and take ownership of it.
I’m looking for a leader, not a guy to conduct tent revivals.
BuckeyeSam on February 11, 2009 at 9:50 AM
That’s such a load of sh!t. It was only after Saddam was captured that people felt safe enough, again, to allow the left start back up with their seditionist talk. The left kept their mouths shut from 9/11 until that point. But that period of time has just been wiped from their memories …
progressoverpeace on February 11, 2009 at 9:51 AM
If the administration is pursuing policies that will make the crisis worse (which I believe they are), then then doing the later is part of the achieving the former.
PackerBronco on February 11, 2009 at 9:54 AM
You are among the foolish useful idiots that will give socialism a pass. You still didn’t disclose how you can afford to pay your bills. In your worldview, who will pay for all of the government jobs that will be created by Obama? And who will pay off the debt? Do you even think of these things on your on or do you just have faith in the One to provide for you?
genso on February 11, 2009 at 9:55 AM
The Crisis Demands Loyalty!
And Tom, there are plenty of Republicans, myself included, who have no problem at all with infrastructure spending, particularly repairs and maintenance on existing infrastructure. The Senate bill actually cut some things I thought were necessary. And the tax cuts that are in the bill aren’t the most stimulative formulation we could have come up with. So lay off the straw man argument, OK? It’s tedious.
DrSteve on February 11, 2009 at 9:58 AM
Government money? Where does the government get money Tom?
More government spending ultimately comes through tax increases. So the “stimulus” is really a tax increase, above and beyond the “stimulus” since we’ll be paying interest as well as incurring ‘processing’ overhead. How is that good for the economy?
Why not leave the money with the people who created it in the first place through building businesses, creating real jobs and profit? How is that not more simulative?
DarkCurrent on February 11, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Well, first off, I’m not going to tell some condescending little twit what I do for a living because he demands me to do so. So give up that little pipe dream of yours.
Second, no one wants to have to spend all this money and raise the debt. The argument is that it’s the lesser of two evils. In action will allow the economy to get worse for a longer period of time. The influx of cash will increase the debt, but by jolting the economy back up, we’ll then be able to bring it back down. Remember, democrats were able to balance the budget a decade ago.
And Tom, there are plenty of Republicans, myself included, who have no problem at all with infrastructure spending, particularly repairs and maintenance on existing infrastructure. The Senate bill actually cut some things I thought were necessary. And the tax cuts that are in the bill aren’t the most stimulative formulation we could have come up with. So lay off the straw man argument, OK? It’s tedious.
And the House bill added more infrastructure spending, correct? But, this is an example of good debate. People looked at the bill and said it doesn’t do enough to create the right kind of jobs upfront. So they added more of them.
And I’m all for you proposing different tax cuts. Doesn’t mean you’ll get them, but fine.
When Obama pulled the “I won” line, it was to remind republicans they won’t get everything they want. The just a fact of life.
If you don’t think federal money should be put into the economy to boost it, like genso seems to think, then you’re definitely not going to be happy. But, it’s going to happen. To bring back an Iraq example, you can cheer for it to fail or hope it works.
Tom_Shipley on February 11, 2009 at 10:08 AM
What we do as individuals will make no difference whatsoever.
If it’s a good Bill, it will work.
If it’s a bad Bill (as I think it is), it will do little or nothing.
Seems to me, if Obama really thought it would work, he wouldn’t be out there trying to get political cover to pass it.
If it’s so great, get your lockstep Democrats and a couple of RINO Senators to vote for it and ram the damn thing through. Whoopee and congratulations.
Why do Democrats like Barry always have to be such drama queens?
NoDonkey on February 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Why not? What’s the harm? It could only bolster or undermine your credibility. Or is that the problem?
DarkCurrent on February 11, 2009 at 10:13 AM
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