Video: 12-year-old lays down the law on abortion

posted at 8:36 pm on February 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via Ace, because young talent in the service of a righteous cause deserves some extra publicity. Worth watching for the sheer precocity of the performance, which suggests she’s destined someday for Hollywood. She’d better learn to keep ideas like this to herself if she wants work. Click the image to watch.

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and…Ugly…speaks for itself.

thinkagain on February 12, 2009 at 12:35 AM

Thanks for the shout-out!

A 12 year old’s opinion on abortion is irrelevant for far too many reasons to list here.

Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

But your party must have funded the anti-Palin ad, right? That was no amateur video.

This video, on the other hand, was made for SCHOOL.

Follow the links, smart guy.

My daughter prepared and delivered this speech for her grade 7 class. Even those who didn’t agree with her loved it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOR1wUqvJS4

But you won’t watch the whole video or even listen to what she has to say.

Ugly on February 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM

I hate abortions. It’s just none of my business what a woman chooses.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM

That’s revealing. He hates what women are doing to the unborn but is to chickensh!t to admit it.

Ugly on February 12, 2009 at 1:11 AM

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM

I agree with you completely.

Unlike most pro-life politicians Sarah Palin supports the use of contraception.

I know many people who read are going to laugh because of what happened to her daughter, but to be honest I hope more conservative politicians take this stance.

To be against contraception and to be pro-life is just so anti-intellectual and will lead to more GOP defeats.

Under Obama I expect abortions to double in his first year in office. Rudy Giuliani and his pro-choice position is not the enemy. Obama is!

technopeasant on February 12, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Abortion is the state sanctioned murder of a defensless unborn baby that has NO SAY in the decision to end his/her life. NO ONE has the right to murder an unborn baby. It is NOT a right.

WHO IF NOT US WHOM ARE BORN AND LIVING SHALL SPEAK AND FIGHT FOR THE UNBORN BABIES WITH NO VOICE !?

Abortion.

Is.

Murder.

There.

Is.

No.

Other.

Definition!

FlatFoot on February 12, 2009 at 1:33 AM

Guys, you have to understand. Too many Liberals wish, just wish, that we Conservatives were all aborted.

Problem is, someone like us alive and well IS a problem for them. I’m sure they think we’re a walking, breathing crime for daring to be who we are.

They think they’d live better if we were stripped off our existence. One day, they will start going after us like cockroaches and think to themselves they’re doing humanity a service.

newton on February 12, 2009 at 2:39 AM

The adoption of abortion (pun intended) as a necessary staple of the left has nothing to do with a woman’s right to “choose”. It is an offering to their concept of a dead or nonexistent G-d.

There are several similar sacraments made by these fervent “orthodox” atheists to prove their devoutness to the anti-G-d cause: so-called “artistic” depictions of religious symbols (remember Piss Jesus?); blind acceptance of evolution (creation without G-d); government as an omnipotent institution.

People need religion as an inherent exaltation and glorification of G-d and his gifts to us. Just because these orthodox atheists have verbally and symbolically denied the existence of G-d (usually out of ego), it does not eliminate the G-d-given need to worship Him.

But these people worship the false idols of their own manufacture, and these idols, being false, fail to sustain them. This is where their hatred is gestated.

stonemeister on February 12, 2009 at 3:00 AM

I propose an injunction on abortion. We need to file it with the supreme court to stop all abortions until the year 2099. With the sheer cost of this porkulus bill to our future generations (accompanied with higher taxes), we need every life possible to get to work and help pay this down for the next three generations.

Black Adam on February 12, 2009 at 4:25 AM

Wow, that was really powerful.

Cylor on February 12, 2009 at 4:50 AM

To suggest that it’s not your business if someone kills their unborn baby is to accept that it’s nobody else’s business if your own mother takes a gun and kills you because she realized, only later, that you were a terrible mistake. After all, aren’t you just a bigger clump of cells? Why is her “choice” only valid until they get out the pink or blue blanket. Thirty seconds before delivery or thirty seconds after…or twenty-five years after. What is the real difference. That the unborn is “connected” to the mother? Is it a rights of ownership case? That you have done things with your life and the infant only has the potential? Which of you is more human? Which of you is more deserving of protection under the constitution?
The only difference I can see it that you can defend yourself. The unborn need outsiders to defend them.

SKYFOX on February 12, 2009 at 5:41 AM

SKYFOX on February 12, 2009 at 5:41 AM

Actually, there are people who have suggested that a child should not be declared human until the age of 18 months. Prior to that time, it could be legally murdered if “it” displayed problems or defects.

oldleprechaun on February 12, 2009 at 7:05 AM

A 12 year old ?

Come on.

All you prolifers, there is an Angelina Jolie wantabe with no money and 12 kids to support.

Help her out.

getalife on February 11, 2009 at 9:33 PM

Hey getalife, this woman is a dream come true for you Libs. These babies will be on the goverment dole for at least 18 years and I bet they don’t grow up to be conservatives. She just canceled out 12 abortions of you Libs and added to your rolls. Rejoice!

jims on February 12, 2009 at 7:13 AM

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Attacking the person instead of the message is a sign that you can’t back up the opposing view.

dominigan on February 12, 2009 at 7:49 AM

Dave, considering the amount of 12 year olds having sex (sanctioned by many in your party), I would think her opinion on abortion is definitely relevant.

MBP1982 on February 12, 2009 at 7:50 AM

A 12 year old’s opinion on abortion is irrelevant for far too many reasons to list here.
Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Hmmmmm. I wonder what the sex-ed curriculum is in Canada.

Here’s Canada’s lesson plan for unintended pregnancies.

Shhhh. Don’t tell the young lady in the video.

Buy Danish on February 12, 2009 at 8:00 AM

The wisdom of children. Good for her.

We are coming to the day when we as a society will view abortion with the same horror that we now view slavery. The thought that “I detest abortion, but won’t interfere with a woman’s choice” as being of similar hollowness to “I detest slavery, but won’t interfere with the right of an American to choose to own slaves.”

“I’m against abortion, but won’t interfere” simply proves the maxim that all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Pavel on February 12, 2009 at 8:09 AM

As for the girl’s argument, one must consider the intended audience, which would be her fellow tweens. Tweens don’t know the talking points on abortion like we do (at least the right wing talking points anyway).

I think Drywall wouldn’t have bothered to say anything if the girl had been going on about how it’s a woman’s right to choose, and especially if she had said that abortion is no one’s business but the woman having it.

MBP1982 on February 12, 2009 at 8:16 AM

I just heard this octuplet girl is taking online credit card donations to help raise the kids now? What a stupid individual. Bring needless children into the world knowing she can’t support them. We need to put back more authoratative respectable fathers in the lives of the kids and maybe women won’t do stupid sh*t like this any more.

johnnyU on February 12, 2009 at 8:19 AM

Dave, considering the amount of 12 year olds having sex (sanctioned by many in your party), I would think her opinion on abortion is definitely relevant.

MBP1982 on February 12, 2009 at 7:50 AM
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Well, since it’s a the fact that there are pedophiles in both parties, your statement about 12 year olds having sex is condoned to a degree is technically correct.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM

But your party must have funded the anti-Palin ad, right? That was no amateur video.

This video, on the other hand, was made for SCHOOL.

Follow the links, smart guy.

My daughter prepared and delivered this speech for her grade 7 class. Even those who didn’t agree with her loved it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOR1wUqvJS4

But you won’t watch the whole video or even listen to what she has to say.

Ugly on February 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM
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You’re ugly AND stupid – a double threat. I already condemned the use of kids in the anti Palin ad, but I’ll repeat my hatred of it because you can’t seem to pay attention.

An anonymous person on youtube whose user id says she’s 18 from Canada claims the video is of her daughter and it was made for school etc etc etc…and YOU BELIEVE IT ALL. How totally unsurprising.

I did watch the whole video. It’s obvious the child’s parents wrote the speech.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:28 AM

I hate abortions. It’s just none of my business what a woman chooses.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM

That’s revealing. He hates what women are doing to the unborn but is to chickensh!t to admit it.

Ugly on February 12, 2009 at 1:11 AM
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This makes so little sense I don’t know how to respond to it.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:30 AM

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 12:15 AM

Attacking the person instead of the message is a sign that you can’t back up the opposing view.

dominigan on February 12, 2009 at 7:49 AM
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Here’s me attacking your message: I think this child’s speech was written by her parents. The child has zero grasp of adult life, zero grasp of the implications of pregnancy, zero grasp of much at all, so her “opinion” on a complex issue like abortion is entirely irrelevant. That you consider her opinion to be important is incredibly stupid and tiny minded.

And here’s me attacking you: you’re an idiot.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Abortion isn’t a complex issue at all.

It all boils down to the killing of another human being for the convenience of another.

Any “complexity” in the issue is the result of attempts to obfuscate that fact.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Abortion isn’t a complex issue at all.

It all boils down to the killing of another human being for the convenience of another.

Any “complexity” in the issue is the result of attempts to obfuscate that fact.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 8:37 AM
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Okay then, then back up a step and take actions to prevent people from getting pregnant: education about birth control and increase the availability of birth control.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:41 AM

Okay then, then back up a step and take actions to prevent people from getting pregnant: education about birth control and increase the availability of birth control.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:41 AM

Obfuscation.

Any perceived lack of availability of birth control does not change the fact that abortion is about killing another human being for the convenience of another. It is merely an excuse, a salve for the conscience.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 8:44 AM

Few can deny there is a dark and evil force that runs through civilization. In America today, it manifests itself through the bowels of the Democrat Party. And, like a cancer, it destroys all in its unforgiving path. We are a suicide nation.

artman1746 on February 12, 2009 at 8:57 AM

A 12 year old girl is more aware and enlightened than our morally and intellectually bankrupt, unqualified and unaccomplished, “president”, super.

At least there’s hope for the future.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Here’s me attacking your message: I think this child’s speech was written by her parents. The child has zero grasp of adult life, zero grasp of the implications of pregnancy, zero grasp of much at all, so her “opinion” on a complex issue like abortion is entirely irrelevant. That you consider her opinion to be important is incredibly stupid and tiny minded.

And here’s me attacking you: you’re an idiot.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Why do I get the impression that you don’t actually have children of your own (because if you did you’d recognize their extraordinary capacity for wisdom), and that you were a particularly dull child who, in a tragic exception to the rule, were (and still are) utterly lacking in this capacity.

Buy Danish on February 12, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 8:32 AM
I think this child’s speech was written by her parents.

They probably at least helped a lot.

The child has zero grasp of adult life, zero grasp of the implications of pregnancy, zero grasp of much at all, so her “opinion” on a complex issue like abortion is entirely irrelevant.

We can’t possibly know this. My daughter saw the consequences of abortion at an early age: dead babies. It doesn’t take much more than that to trigger immediate, instinctual revulsion in human beings. That’s why the media is so scrupulous in its censoring of such things.

To your second point: the fact that supporters of abortion rights need to resort to arguments about the “complexities of adult life” and “the implications of pregnancy” to create a patina of respectability for a monstrous practice says a lot.

She sees dead babies, and knows this is horribly wrong. Simply because she perhaps has not been informed of all the lovely constructs that abortion supporters have erected over the years to rationalize this horror: Whatever. She at least sees the Emperor has no clothes, and that’s always a good point in informing the abortion debate.

Pavel on February 12, 2009 at 8:59 AM

I think this child’s speech was written by her parents. The child has zero grasp of adult life, zero grasp of the implications of pregnancy, zero grasp of much at all, so her “opinion” on a complex issue like abortion is entirely irrelevant.

If so Dave, then how exactly does she differ from our jackass dope of a “president”, the guy who reads speeches someone else wrote off of telepromters and is so morally twisted and obtuse, that he thinks it’s fine and dandy to discard babies who survived a botched abortion, in soiled utility closets?

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Pavel on February 12, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Complex = Obscure the simple reality

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM

A 12 year old’s opinion on abortion is irrelevant for far too many reasons to list here.

Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

When Jesus of Nazareth was 12 years old, He astonished the Biblical scholars that taught in temple in Jerusalem (the equivalent of modern day “university professors”) with his vastly superior knowledge of the scriptures and his grasp of the historical context of the Hebrews that had lived in the past.

The Bible says that we will all be judged by the words that come out of our own mouths.

My collie says:

Mr. Rywall, are you prepared to stand in front of a holy and righteous God who will judge you and the things that you have said and done in your life — One that could easily appear in front of you as a 12 year old boy?

CyberCipher on February 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM

WOW!

Gotcha on February 12, 2009 at 9:16 AM

A 12 year old’s opinion on abortion is irrelevant for far too many reasons to list here.

Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Kids grow up so fast Dave. She won’t be twelve much longer.

Remember – A person is a person no matter how small.

Kuffar on February 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Remember – A person is a person no matter how small.

Not to Democrats – a person is only a person if they can vote and become dependent on Democrats.

Extend the right of fetuses to vote in the womb and Democrats will become pro-life.

Then the Fetus-American vote will become just as precious to the Democrats as the deceased-American vote, the illegal alien-American vote, the housepet-American vote and the “I voted 25 times and all I got was an Obama t-shirt”-American vote.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 9:41 AM

If so Dave, then how exactly does she differ from our jackass dope of a “president”, the guy who reads speeches someone else wrote off of telepromters and is so morally twisted and obtuse, that he thinks it’s fine and dandy to discard babies who survived a botched abortion, in soiled utility closets?

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 9:02 AM—–
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Yet another person who actually believes a president writes his own speeches. Hilarious.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Kids grow up so fast Dave. She won’t be twelve much longer.

Remember – A person is a person no matter how small.

Kuffar on February 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM
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This is sunshine and lollipop nonsense.

Again, if this kid were making a pro-choice speech, you all would be telling her the shut the fu** up.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM

It is an offering to their concept of a dead or nonexistent G-d.

WINNER!

It’s all connected to the Religon of Liberalism, where “we” are God.

“Without God, Anything Goes”
(see: San Francisco)

Let’s roll….and BOYCOTT MAINE!

ex-Democrat on February 12, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Mr. Rywall, are you prepared to stand in front of a holy and righteous God who will judge you and the things that you have said and done in your life — One that could easily appear in front of you as a 12 year old boy?

CyberCipher on February 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM
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I love crazy talk like this.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:52 AM

…you most certainly would have taken a mighty dump on it

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 12:15 AM

…or some stupid pointless crap like that

Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

But hey – feel free to keep believing she has a clue. I couldn’t possibly give less of a shit.

Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:30 PM

Have you ever noticed how a$$hats tend to have an unhealthy obsession with poo?

Puddleglum on February 12, 2009 at 9:53 AM

A 12 year old girl is more aware and enlightened than our morally and intellectually bankrupt, unqualified and unaccomplished, “president”, super.

At least there’s hope for the future.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 8:59 AM
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A 2 minute video clip of an anonymous stranger reading a speech written by someone else convinces you that they’re more aware and enlightened than the president. How amazingly stupid.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Have you ever noticed how a$$hats tend to have an unhealthy obsession with poo?

Puddleglum on February 12, 2009 at 9:53 AM
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Awesome.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM

And why are we using kids again to get a point across?

Will we be fair & balanced on this – do we think she is brainwashed as much as the kid railing against Bill O’Reilly??

AprilOrit on February 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM

A 2 minute video clip of an anonymous stranger reading a speech written by someone else convinces you that they’re more aware and enlightened than the president.
Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM

No, but comparing her position vs. his position is pretty convincing when it comes to this topic.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM

I love crazy talk like this.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Thanks for giving me PRECISELY what I wanted.

My collie says:

Shame on you CC. You are SO much like the prophet Jonah.

CyberCipher on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM

No, but comparing her position vs. his position is pretty convincing when it comes to this topic.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM
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Again, an anonymous child in a video delivers a speech. You blindly give her intellectual credibility on an incredibly complex issue without a shred of evidence.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM

A 2 minute video clip of an anonymous stranger reading a speech written by someone else convinces you that they’re more aware and enlightened than the president. How amazingly stupid

Why? What else does Obama do but read speeches?

And she’s probably smart enough to realize that she’s not prepared to be President, unlike our unqualified, unaccomplished, hideously corrupt and demonstrably incompetent, “president”.

But we appreciate the foreign view on our clown act of a president.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Again, an anonymous child in a video delivers a speech. You blindly give her intellectual credibility on an incredibly complex issue without a shred of evidence.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM

No. I give her position credibility on an incredibly simple issue because it is the correct one.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Why? What else does Obama do but read speeches?

And she’s probably smart enough to realize that she’s not prepared to be President, unlike our unqualified, unaccomplished, hideously corrupt and demonstrably incompetent, “president”.

But we appreciate the foreign view on our clown act of a president.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM
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This is beyond stupid.

You can’t possibly be suggesting that Obama isn’t an intelligent person.

And if interacting with people outside your country is too difficult a challenge for you, then you need to work on your teeny tiny worldview.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM

No. I give her position credibility on an incredibly simple issue because it is the correct one.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 10:22 AM
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Hilarious.

So if she were a pro-choice child, would you believe that that was her opinion or her parents’?

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

You can’t possibly be suggesting that Obama isn’t an intelligent person.

Whoopee, he’s intelligent. So am I. Perhaps I will concede that even you are.

But it seems to me, that one should have enough intelligence to realize one’s limitations. Obama’s not prepared to be President. He’s unqualified and he’s completely unaccomplished.

Therefore, he should have been “intelligent” enough to delay his run for the presidency until he gained the requisite skills and experience to make a good President.

Because of his lack of intelligence in this regard, we will all pay. He’s clearly out of his element.

If a 12 year old does something that’s not so bright, we can forgive it.

When a 45 year old man does not have the self-awareness to realize that he can’t handle a job and it imperils the rest of us, it’s a lack of intelligence.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM

Hilarious.

So if she were a pro-choice child, would you believe that that was her opinion or her parents’?

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

Your disbelief at the fact that a twelve-year-old cannot look at a dead baby and see something wrong is what would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 10:47 AM

But it seems to me, that one should have enough intelligence to realize one’s limitations. Obama’s not prepared to be President. He’s unqualified and he’s completely unaccomplished.

Therefore, he should have been “intelligent” enough to delay his run for the presidency until he gained the requisite skills and experience to make a good President.

Because of his lack of intelligence in this regard, we will all pay. He’s clearly out of his element.

If a 12 year old does something that’s not so bright, we can forgive it.

When a 45 year old man does not have the self-awareness to realize that he can’t handle a job and it imperils the rest of us, it’s a lack of intelligence.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 10:34 AM
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I couldn’t disagree more about his abilities to lead your country well.

Not sure what that has to do with a 12 year old talking about something she doesn’t understand.

Looks like the next 4 years are going to be very, very, very difficult for you.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Your disbelief at the fact that a twelve-year-old cannot look at a dead baby and see something wrong is what would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 10:47 AM
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That you believe the issue is that simple is the most hilarious thing of all.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Again, if this kid were making a pro-choice speech, you all would be telling her the shut the fu** up.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Hmm. Child protects the sanctity of life vs. child who advocates the murder of a helpless innocent . . .

Your point?

geckomon on February 12, 2009 at 10:55 AM

That you believe the issue is that simple is the most hilarious thing of all.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

That you want to project distractions posing as complexities to rationalize killing a helpless child in the womb is sad.

geckomon on February 12, 2009 at 10:57 AM

I couldn’t disagree more about his abilities to lead your country well.

Well that’s great, but what do you base this on? Obama has no track record of leading anything except a campaign in which he was a bit player, reading speeches off of teleprompters.

Not sure what that has to do with a 12 year old talking about something she doesn’t understand.

You have a short memory. You said she was reading a speech and I said that’s exactly what Obama did to become President. Oh yes, he’s also black. Which this girls not. Would she be brilliant if she were black?

Looks like the next 4 years are going to be very, very, very difficult for you.

I hope it’s only four years too (barring impeachment/removal), but if you’re right and he’s a great President, I’ll be happy as hell, truth be told.

I don’t want him to fail. I just lack any sort of indication that he won’t. Allowing those idiots in Congress to write the “stimulus” Bill was a terrible start from which he may never recover.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM

That you believe the issue is that simple is the most hilarious thing of all.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Sorry.

Again: It all boils down to the killing of another human being for the convenience of another.

It’s not my problem if you find that to be “complex.”

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM

I’m very, very proud of this young lady. If we had more like this in America we would have a fighting chance against the radical leftists that have stolen power and are plotting and executing the demise of America. The radical Socialists, the abortion on demand crowd, the gay rights groups, the enviro wack jobs, the hate America crowd is NOW in charge… God bless this young lady and America, we really, really need him!

Mark Garnett on February 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM

It’s not my problem if you find that to be “complex.”

Of course the pro-aborts see it as “complex”, it’s not easy to rationalize the murder of another human being for convenience, unless you are a complete sociopath.

There are hundreds of brilliant, thought-filled rationalizations for doing all sorts of things that are morally and intellectually wrong.

But that’s all that they are – rationalizations for taking the easy way out, which is the way the left always wants to go when it comes to solving problems.

In real life, half-assed solutions cause more problems than they solve, but lefties don’t want to acknowledge that. They just want to pour more money and thought into making unworkable solutions work.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Again, if this kid were making a pro-choice speech, you all would be telling her the shut the fu** up.

This just in: The 12 year old scheduled to proclaim and laud the virtues of abortionists will, sadly, not be appearing. It seems that 12 years ago her mother . . . made a choice.

geckomon on February 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

So if she were a pro-choice child, would you believe that that was her opinion or her parents’?

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

I’d believe it was her parent’s position because no 12 year old girl is going to devise a pro-choice pro-abortion argument on her own – precisely because she is a child and was a baby herself not that long ago. She would realize that her own existence required a parent who didn’t abort her.

These simple truths are self-evident.

Buy Danish on February 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

So if she were a pro-choice child, would you believe that that was her opinion or her parents’?

Either her parents or the crappy public school she’s doomed to attend.

Except then she probably wouldn’t be able to read the speech.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

So if she were a pro-choice child, would you believe that that was her opinion or her parents’?

Of course.

You see, taking the *pro-choice* stance requires intellectual complexity to twist around the inclination to see the impending offspring of humans as…well, human. In the same vein, if a child observed someone hurting a dog, they would be sympathetic to the dog because humans are generally empathetic creatures. But, the liberal point of view is the one that requires that the child be dissuaded from her natural tendency to be empathetic. So, they need to be “brain washed” into being pro-choice.

Exit question: Where do young liberals derive their belief in “freedom of choice”? I understand that the terminology is appealing (freedom and choice being two highly coveted attributes), but that isn’t really what it means…it means that the woman has the “right” to choose to abort her baby’s life. How is aborting an unborn human’s life different than aborting a 5 year old’s life in social and moral terms? Certainly, if you’re a nihilist or perhaps an agnostic/atheist you may well think there are no moral issues, but there are certainly still societal norms and mores that would say killing a human is wrong.

Pose this question to your kids. Should mommy and daddy be allowed to kill them if they “choose” (this is the choice that liberals are claiming a right to)? So, should mommy and daddy be allowed to kill them when they were in mommy’s tummy? Kids just can’t differentiate the subtle nuances in whether a baby/fetus is “viable” in the way that liberals skirt around the issue with what term the mother is in, etc.

What do you think the answer would be 99.99999999999% of the time?

Now do you understand? Liberals have to overcome their natural instincts in order to allow themselves to abort what they KNOW is not just a human life, but their child. And *that* intellectual jump (rationalization) is too much for most children…

The reason liberals must argue so vehemently against the pro-life camp is because to do otherwise is to admit that they are committing or advocating (note that its pro-choice, not pro-abortion?) an atrocity. When faced with that dilemma, humans will fight verociously to avoid seeing themselves as such horrible monsters.

Sorry to say, but even if they don’t know it, pro-choicers, regardless of how they dress up the wording, are horrible monsters.

Geministorm on February 12, 2009 at 12:07 PM

One more thing, how do you think liberals dress up the dangers of “Global Warming” (excuse me, Climate Change)?

They put out pictures of polar bears on ice floes and saying that humans are causing global warming which is *killing* the polar bears, which we all know is FALSE (polar bear populations are actually on the rise for the last 30 years, and still were put on the endangered species list, meaning that the word “endangered” now takes on a whole new meaning).

Liberals are playing to the natural empathy of children.

How about conservatives say to children, “Democrats cause abortions. Abortions kill 2 million children a year and they did nothing wrong, their mommies and daddies just didn’t want them. Do you want your mommy and daddy to kill you tonight when you’re sleeping? ” …(cue the sad faces and crying and hysteria)…

Geministorm on February 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM

I hate abortions. It’s just none of my business what a woman chooses.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 1:00 AM

I hate slavery. It’s just none of my business what a plantation owner chooses.

History does indeed repeat.

18-1 on February 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

How about conservatives say to children, “Democrats cause abortions. Abortions kill 2 million children a year and they did nothing wrong, their mommies and daddies just didn’t want them. Do you want your mommy and daddy to kill you tonight when you’re sleeping? ” …(cue the sad faces and crying and hysteria)…

Geministorm on February 12, 2009 at 12:15 PM

If there is one lesson we on the right need to learn from the left’s recent successes is that you can win by appealing to raw emotion.

18-1 on February 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM

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This young lady really understands Good Christian moral principles. She is old enough to get pregnant and to have a baby–and she clearly thinks through the consequences of doing so.
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Good girls are pretty smart at this age. Too bad that so many of them sign on to the MTV, YouTube, and Victoria’s Secret agendas.
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Good job young lady!
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John Bibb
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rocketman on February 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM

“If there is one lesson we on the right need to learn from the left’s recent successes is that you can win by appealing to raw emotion.”

18-1 on February 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM

–I think the Democrats took that from Karl Rove’s playbook on using wedge issues to motivate the Republican base.

jim m on February 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I hate slavery. It’s just none of my business what a plantation owner chooses.

History does indeed repeat.

18-1 on February 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM
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Amazingly stupid apples and oranges point you attempt to make.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM

“The description says she delivered it to her 7th grade class, which takes extra guts.

amerpundit on February 11, 2009 at 8:59 PM”

–My daughter (like me) is pro-choice. She went to a public school in a conservative area when she was in 10th grade and was called baby killer by students when she gave her position. Her teacher (conservative) didn’t stop the name calling.

jim m on February 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM

For all those who do not believe that this young lady could have written this herself ,have not been around many children.My daughter could have and has presented this same argument at an even earlier age.Children who are not self absorbed have many opinions that Adults would do well to consider.

CaCa on February 12, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Amazingly stupid apples and oranges point you attempt to make.

Well Dave does know his fruit.

How exactly is it different?

One group of people treated other people as objects of convenience.

Pro-aborts treat children as a utility, that you can either “choose” to keep, or “choose” to discard like yesterday’s newspaper. Whichever is more convenient.

And calling anyone who disagrees with your pro-abort positions “stupid”, is pretty much the height of the pro-abort movement. You should consider penning screeds for them, you’re pretty much the intellectual leader of the moment.

Obama might even read them off of his teleprompter someday, wouldn’t that be a thrill!

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 1:57 PM

For all those who do not believe that this young lady could have written this herself ,have not been around many children.

Mozart started composing music at age 5. That’s hard to fathom.

That a 12 year old can write a heartfelt piece on abortion is not at all difficult to believe.

I’m sure if she had written a heartfelt piece on how Obama gave her hope for her future, Dave wouldn’t be accusing her of mouthing the words of others.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM

I’m sure if she had written a heartfelt piece on how Obama gave her hope for her future, Dave wouldn’t be accusing her of mouthing the words of others.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 2:07 PM
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Sorry. I would call bullshit on any 12 year old trying to make any political statement, just as I’m calling bullshit on this 12 year old talking about an issue that is far beyond her ability to comprehend.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM

just as I’m calling bullshit on this 12 year old talking about an issue that is far beyond her ability to comprehend.

Maybe ‘merican kids are smarter than cunuck kids.

Actually, it’s not all that complicated of an issue, really.

I mean, if you don’t cloud your mind with all of the nonsensical hocus-pocus, double-talk, contradictions, pseudo-science and hippie speak liberals use to pretend that what is being killed is not a human being.

Cut out that obfuscation and it’s a pretty easy issue to comprehend.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Again, if this kid were making a pro-choice speech, you all would be telling her the shut the fu** up.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM

They would be calling her profanity laced slurs and threatening to kill her.

AprilOrit on February 12, 2009 at 2:16 PM

“Good Christian moral principles.”

rocketman on February 12, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Yes we know all about “good Christian morals” the kind that condones, rape, child-killing, genocide, slavery and murdering of non-Christians, all sanctioned by your God in his ‘divine word’.

Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

“What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.” (evilbible.com quote)

More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

How to buy & treat a slave:
“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the 7th year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom

[Exodus 21:1] … “When a man sells his daughter as a slave…” [Exodus 21:7]
“If a male or female slave is beaten and dies, the owner must be punished. If the slave recovers after a couple of days, however, then the owner should not be punished, since the slave is the owner’s property.” [Exodus 21:20]

This is the same retarded man-made ancient violent book which Christians claim to gain their morals from and was used to conquer/colonize non-Christians countries killing millions in the process and convert them by force (much as Islam has been doing).

Is it any surprise that the muslims (sons of Ishmael) took parts of the Old Testament and turned it into a death cult that we’re having to defend ourselves from to this day?

thinkagain on February 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM

They would be calling her profanity laced slurs and threatening to kill her.

Says the woman with ESPN.

Only in your fantasies, babe.

Was Atticus Finch your hero growing up?

That book is tired, old and vastly overrated. Grow up.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM

A 12 year old’s fetus’s opinion on abortion is irrelevant for far too many reasons to list here.

Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

I thought perhaps another perspective might help here.
As for a 12yo girl not having any political awareness or intellect enough to be able to compose & deliver such a speech is concerned: they are out there in more abundance than you think.
I know young children who are brilliant in their reasoning on these matters.
And there there are some that live in front of a Playstation- this breeds people like Julio.
I can believe this came out of a 12yo’s mouth. I can believe a 12yo can write & think stuff like this.
As a teacher, I do see these kinds of children in our society.
That’s why YouTube is so great.

Badger40 on February 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM

thinkagain on February 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM
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You keep forgetting that the Bible is a salad bar – people can pick and choose what’s to be obeyed and what’s to be ignored. Makes it sooooooo much easier.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Says the woman with ESPN.

Only in your fantasies, babe.

Was Atticus Finch your hero growing up?

That book is tired, old and vastly overrated. Grow up.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 2:25 PM

You would be asking for her to be silenced – sooner than later.

And your response proves it – listen to how angry and negative you are.

And if you think trashing Harper Lee bothers me you can guess again wingnut. When you can write like her maybe then I’ll listen. Nah, probably not.

And what exactly did you dislike about the Atticus Finch character – his desire for justice while representing a poor black man, falsely accused?

Don’t answer, I already know.

AprilOrit on February 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM

I would call bullshit on any 12 year old trying to make any political statement.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM

When I was 12 years old I was a freshman in high school and reading the entire newspaper every day. I was smart for my age but not exceptional. Not all 12-year-olds spend their spare time hypnotized by electronics.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 2:34 PM

You would be asking for her to be silenced – sooner than later.

Sorry, that’s a leftist tactic.

I’d feel sorry for her.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM

You would be asking for her to be silenced – sooner than later.
Sorry, that’s a leftist tactic.

I’d feel sorry for her.

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Maybe you would, no everyone in the Pro-Life movement is as compassionate as you. Many would be calling her profanity laced names and telling her to shut the fu** up.

And if they had her phone number, email address and her physical address – the kid and her parents would be under seige.

AprilOrit on February 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM

You keep forgetting that the Bible is a salad bar – people can pick and choose what’s to be obeyed and what’s to be ignored. Makes it sooooooo much easier.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

My bad, I forgot about the 11th Commandment:

“Thou shalt ignore all the violent passages/history/facts and all the evil done by me (your God) and by my followers against other human beings.

After all I’m only God, I make mistakes, get jealous (1) and angry and kill millions of people as a result. Nobody’s perfect not even me.

Therefore cherry-pick some benign passages from my book and claim to be a religion of peace. Yes, yes both of you christians and muslims.

PS-stop annoying me with your whiny prayers, I need a break. God out.”

(1)“Do not make idols of any kind, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other God! I do not leave unpunished the sins of those who hate me, but I punish the children for the sins of the parents to the third and fourth generations…” [Exodus 20:4]

thinkagain on February 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

You would be asking for her to be silenced – sooner than later.

That’s awful, well judgemental of you, isn’t it? Being judgemental is an unforgivable faux pax when it comes to questioning the actions of those who assault young girls and who abort children, but it’s OK when you can imagine a reaction of someone you disagree with, right?

And your response proves it – listen to how angry and negative you are.

If you can hear voices in your head, they ain’t mine and I’m not responsible for what happens because of them.

And if you think trashing Harper Lee bothers me you can guess again wingnut. When you can write like her maybe then I’ll listen. Nah, probably not.

I think to Kill a Mockingbird was a nice enough book, but since it seems to be the first and the last book liberals ever have ever read (and only because every public school requires the veneration of it) I like to “mock” it because it always gets a reaction.

Even though the issues in it are so dustily ancient it might as well be about the Spanish Inquisition.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

CDeb on February 12, 2009 at 3:06 PM

And if they had her phone number, email address and her physical address – the kid and her parents would be under seige.

Kind of like if she contributed to pass Proposition 8?

It’s your side that has 99% of the lunatics. Lunatics easily embrace liberalism due to the lunatics who established the doctrine during the latter part of the 19th century and sloppily updated it in the 1960′s.

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM

WORLDWIDE:
Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000

LINK

Ugly on February 11, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Thanks… I didn’t notice it was a worldwide figure.

It is staggering.

mankai on February 12, 2009 at 4:18 PM

Amazingly stupid apples and oranges point you attempt to make.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM

P”pro-choice-on-killing-children” is the obvious descendant of “pro-choice-on-enslaving-people”, rationalize where your views generalized take you all you want.

18-1 on February 12, 2009 at 4:42 PM

thinkagain on February 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM

So it’s part of the atheist ideology that people can be offed when they become inconvenient?

It’s not and there are many pro-life atheists: http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Even an atheist can find justification in not allowing abortion. Life is life whether one believes in God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Me, I don’t even believe in the FSG.

Pelayo on February 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM

So it’s part of the atheist ideology that people can be offed when they become inconvenient?

NoDonkey on February 12, 2009 at 4:46 PM

I know this is an extremely difficult concept for pro-lifers to get their heads around but clumps of cells are not people!! By that argument your teeth are people too.

Of course as the fetus grows and develops it becomes more human-like which is why 98.9% of abortions are limited to the first and part of the 2nd trimester.

The truth is we’re both right at the extremes (of pregnancy) which is why a middle-ground exists of when abortions are (im)permissible. I take issue with those pro-lifers who’d like it banned completely.

Another equally complex idea beyond the grasp of the extremist anti-abortionists’ intellect is the idea that a woman’s uterus/body is her own property, not yours and not the state’s and only she can get the final say over what she does with it.

It’s not and there are many pro-life atheists: http://www.godlessprolifers.org/home.html

Who said you need to believe in god to be a pro-life fascist (even though the vast majority are theists)? They of course share the same misunderstanding of fetal development as theists and hence find common ground.

thinkagain on February 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM

A 12 year old’s opinion on abortion is irrelevant for far too many reasons to list here.

Dave Rywall on February 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM

Hmm. Liberals (see: Vermont) think it’s a-ok to allow (and encourage) a 13 year old girl to get an abortion WITHOUT parental consent (or even knowledge of the abortion).

So Davey, I guess the messenger (who scared you so much) should have waited a precious year and THEN she would be juuust perfect, right?

Disgusting.

Montana on February 12, 2009 at 6:33 PM

You keep forgetting that the Bible is a salad bar – people can pick and choose what’s to be obeyed and what’s to be ignored. Makes it sooooooo much easier.

Dave Rywall on February 12, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Just because Liberals view the Constitution like that, doesn’t mean people view the Bible in the same way, but hey, whatever brings you comfort, Dave.

We’re here for you.

Now, take your piece of the stimulus and be happy in the corner. Someone will be around presently to tell you what to believe this week.

Montana on February 12, 2009 at 6:36 PM

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