Historians: Lincoln might have supported the stimulus, or something

posted at 9:35 pm on February 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

It must be true. He supported a national bank and wanted to help the working man get ahead; from there, it’s a mere hop, skip, and a jump logically to $800 billion in pork and infrastructure spending.

I realize the media has a certain quota of “Obama is the new Lincoln” hagiographies to file each week, but can we at least spare America’s greatest president (I don’t care what the polls say) the comparison on his birthday? Good lord.

Obama’s situation is different from Lincoln’s, as is the political environment. But historians say their responses to their crises bear striking parallels.

“Both Lincoln and Obama advocated big government and actively believed it could do good,” said Timothy Roberts, professor of American history at Western Illinois University in Moline, Ill.

“The size and complexity of the situation facing Obama would have baffled Lincoln, but he would have embraced Obama’s attempt to balance tax cuts — intended to encourage individual initiative and entrepreneurship — and government spending,” Roberts said…

Lincoln favored a more active government during financial difficulty. And his party favored publicly financed internal improvements — especially for building the nation’s transportation system through canals and railroads. And the first income tax was passed during the Civil War…

Could Obama have taken note? The president’s stimulus proposal to fix the economy calls for massive government spending.

Yes, truly, if not for Lincoln’s example, The One would have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards massive government spending. Even I have more faith in him than to believe he’s approaching a hopelessly complex modern financial crisis by trying to divine Honest Abe’s will. What he’s actually doing, I suspect, is approaching the crisis on the merits, with an eye to dumping dopey Lincoln parallels on the media afterwards to spin his strategy as brilliant. It’s worked so far! Exit question: It’s Darwin’s birthday tomorrow, too. What evolutionary analogy will the press use to compare Obama’s economic acumen to Uncle Charlie’s scientific insight? Something about how the same keen perception that recognized complex variety among the Galapagos turtles is at work in the new TARP?


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what is it with leftists comparing themselves to historical figure that have been documented as never sharing the same value set?

Hugo Chavez/Simon Bolivar
Barry Obama/Abe Lincoln

It’s just odd.

Pcoop on February 12, 2009 at 8:17 AM

With all due respect, I am now sick and tired of seeing these stupid retouched pictures where B.O. is made to look like he’s Abraham Lincoln.

B.O. is NOT Abraham Lincoln.

B.O. is a thug Democratic Machine politician from Chicago, who has absolutely no qualms about shaking a clenched fist in the faces of anyone who opposes him, or throwing anyone under the bus who happens to be in his way.

To the best of my knowledge, the real Abraham Lincoln was none of the above.

pilamaye on February 12, 2009 at 8:33 AM

“The size and complexity of the situation facing Obama would have baffled Lincoln, but he would have embraced Obama’s attempt to balance tax cuts — intended to encourage individual initiative and entrepreneurship — and government spending,” Roberts said…

What a farce!

Q: What are some of the tax breaks in the bill?

A: It includes Obama’s signature “Making Work Pay” tax credit for 95 percent of workers, though negotiators agreed to trim the credit to $400 a year instead of $500 — or $800 for married couples, cut from Obama’s original proposal of $1,000. It would begin showing up in most workers’ paychecks in June as an extra $13 a week in take-home pay, falling to about $8 a week next January.

Woo hoo! 6 months of untold riches will unleash unprecedented individual initiative and entrepreneurship! But, like all of Barack’s promises, even “making work pay” has an expiration date, as it is followed by “making work pay less”.

BTW, here’s another shameless attempt by The One to link him to Lincoln at the gala reopening of the Ford Theatre.

Buy Danish on February 12, 2009 at 8:42 AM

I find this image to be offensive and disrespectful.

DrStock on February 12, 2009 at 8:49 AM

During President Lincoln’s administration 600,000 plus died fighting a civil war. Considering how divided this country has become, perhaps he will be able to make this comparison as well.

Disturb the Universe on February 12, 2009 at 8:52 AM

The Obamasburg Address

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Bruce in NH on February 12, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Obooba just might be able to claim Lincoln as his inspiration. Lincoln waged a war of aggression against people who just wanted to be left alone.

Akzed on February 12, 2009 at 9:40 AM

I flipped the channel away from Fox this morning (to avoid yet another dreadful commercial produced by some schmuck in his basement), and took a look at the two CNN channels. This is what I saw:

- on the light and airy one, Robin Meade was wearing a pair of jeans and tight top that any 21 year old would be justifiably proud to fit into. OMG is that 45 year old lady gorgeous, or what? News? Whatevs…

- on the “serious news” channel, John Roberts was doing his best imitation of an ugly Ken doll (what a dolt), standing at a too tall glass table in the middle of the studio, asking Mario (I thought he was dead?) Cuomo to compare and contrast Obama and Abraham Lincoln.

Question 1: who thinks that Mario Cuomo is an expert on Buck Ofama, since Cuomo retired 5 years before anyone ever heard of Buck?

Question 2: who thinks that Mario Cuomo is an expert on Abraham Lincoln, who died 67 years before Cuomo was born?

Jaibones on February 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM

NEWS ALLERT Earth quake centered in Springfield Ill. Reporters sent to Springfield found it was Lincoln turning over in his grave. /sc

samhill on February 12, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Exit question: It’s Darwin’s birthday tomorrow, too. What evolutionary analogy will the press use to compare Obama’s economic acumen to Uncle Charlie’s scientific insight? Something about how the same keen perception that recognized complex variety among the Galapagos turtles is at work in the new TARP?

Turtles? I like turtles. It’s the finches, stupid.
(No, I was not calling AllahPundit stupid.)

My collie says:

Precedent Obambam is an evolutionary dead-end.

CyberCipher on February 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM

CyberCipher on February 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Q: Who’s paying for for the porkulus that will be needed when this current porkulus passes?

A: It’s turtles all the way down.

Abby Adams on February 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

A: It’s turtles all the way down.

Abby Adams on February 12, 2009 at 10:25 AM

LMAO. Bravo.

Jaibones on February 12, 2009 at 10:55 AM

My collie says:

Precedent Obambam is an evolutionary dead-end.

CyberCipher on February 12, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Your dog’s in a mood, ain’t she?

Jaibones on February 12, 2009 at 10:57 AM

Jaibones on February 12, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Funnier if not the truth, but thanks! I thought myself rather clever on that one too. Alas, not many will see my brilliance as the post slips further down the page. :-)

Abby Adams on February 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM

By the way, Darwin got the nod on Google. Lincoln is too American, I guess, for the likes of CEO Sergey Brin (who, I bet, is wondering right now who this Lincoln guy is that everyone is talking about, and, if he’s good, Obama’s got to be channeling him).

unclesmrgol on February 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Lincoln’s wife might have supported the stimulus, I understand she was insane.

Maxx on February 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

If you are looking for a historical comparison for Uhbama, the most obvious one is Woodrow Wilson. A progressive authoritarian with no respect for the Constitution or American traditions.

18-1 on February 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Lincoln was trying to re-unite the country and rebuild a war torn south.

lwssdd on February 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama is going to enslave the free.

Lincoln saved the union. Obama is going to unionize the savers.

Lincoln appealed the the better angels of our nature. Obama angles for a better appeal.

rockmom on February 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM

genso’s posts make good arguments about why Lincoln is not the most awesome president ever.
I have lived in the N & S over my lifetime & have seen both sides of this issue-Lincoln & the Union.
Lincoln felt he had to save the Union at the expense of the state’s rights.
I agree eventually, that if allowed to secede like they legally supposed to be able to, that the Union would have formed again. But without the Civil War.
Slavery was becoming taboo-albeit slowly.
And as far as Lincoln being so caring as to free the slaves- he did this to create discord.
He himself, as I recall, was all for the plan on sending freed slaves back to Africa.
Lincoln is as famous as he is bcs he died. If he had lived, this memory we have of him (like JFK) would be very different indeed.
And just bcs the majority of American people may not give a rip about state’s rights doesn’t mean the concept should be abandoned.
People don’t understood how IMPORTANT state’s rights really are.
The Fed has WAY too much power & the Civil War is about where it started to gain the bloat.
Lincoln messed up this country & he also saved it.
Obama will not be saving anything.

Badger40 on February 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM

B.O. is NOT Abraham Lincoln.

Obama doesn’t fit the Lincoln Mold. So, they break the mold and duck tape, staple, & crazy glue the pieces of it to Obama. The blank spots are filled in with BS.

Tah Dah!! Obama is Lincoln.

portlandon on February 12, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Explain how Ronald cut government. Spending went through the roof, and we can’t blame Congress for Reagan deficits because the President’s budgets passed with very little change from the legislature.

The Dean on February 11, 2009 at 10:52 PM

My understanding of what happened has always been that Reagan won concessions from Tip O’Neill that Congress would reign in its spending but it never worked out that way. Most spending that took place under Reagan’s leadership was for defense (which is an acceptable expenditure IMO since the Constitution explicitly states this is the purview of the federal government), although non-defense spending increased as well thanks to the Democratic-controlled Congress. Still, even at that, increases in non-defense spending under Reagan were still significantly less than under any of the three presidents who followed him. The net result of Reagan’s policies was that tax revenues increased even as rates were slashed, the economy flourished, and Communism was finally defeated.

Ronald Reagan: Best. President. Evah.

NoLeftTurn on February 12, 2009 at 8:38 PM

America’s greatest president

I didn’t know today was Reagan’s birthday.

paulsur on February 12, 2009 at 11:38 PM

I didn’t know today was Reagan’s birthday.

paulsur on February 12, 2009 at 11:38 PM

It wasn’t. It was Abraham Lincoln’s.

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM

the only parallel between obama and Lincoln is their mutual desire for a civil war.

notagool on February 13, 2009 at 10:39 AM

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