Hey, who’s up for giving money to the octuplets’ mom?

posted at 6:15 pm on February 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

You say you’re pro-life. Now’s your chance to prove it.

“We put it together because of the massive public interest in Nadya and her family,” Killeen told FOXNews.com Wednesday. “We wanted to give people the ability to make donations and send comments to the family.”

Killeen said donations have already poured in, including books, clothing, cribs, bedding and diapers.

“People have been calling us from around the world trying to make donations,” Killeen said. “We needed to provide a vehicle where people could write to the family or make donations because everyone wants to donate.”

Here’s the site. Worried that she’ll just roll the dough over towards another round of fertility treatments? Don’t be. She’s totally, honestly, completely, seriously done having kids now. Besides, she still has grad school to pay for and, quite possibly, new collagen injections before there’s any thought of IVF. Look at it this way: Since caring for the kids will cost millions and California’s already bankrupt, it’ll be federal bailout money that ends up footing the bills. That is to say, we’re all “donating” already. Might as well do your part now.

Here’s the first bit of the “Dateline” trainwreck interview; if you’re inexplicably hungry for more, dive in. Exit question: What’s Plan B if the website doesn’t work out? A poignant appeal during the Q&A portion of a Barack Obama revival meeting?


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This pro-lifer thinks that all 14 children should be taken away from her. I’ll take a few of them.

I tried DESPERATELY to explain this thought process to a “feeler” friend of mine the other day.

She kept saying…”but she is their MOTHER“.

“MOTHER” is more than biology. This sick “mother” is nothing more than a ZOO KEEPING PUBLICITY WHORE.

BALDI, you are dead on…..

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 7:38 PM

MILF.

MadisonConservative on February 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM

You’re out of your mind dude. She’s a bunny-boiler.

LimeyGeek on February 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

She is not a usual pro-life example but an example just the same. She deserves our support for her decision to be a mother and a pro-life example. If she aborted that many children she would then deserve our scorn.

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM

That makes exactly zero sense.

Pro-life = pro-child. And what she’s done is child abuse.

Obviously, no pro-life conservative would have favored abortion after conception … but that’s not the issue here. The issue is her decision to seek IVF after already giving birth six frickin’ times.

The pro-child position is to wonder what’s best for the children. And if you think a plainly mentally ill woman, with no means of support, who is using her uterus to gain attention … is somehow an example of pro-life in action … you are very, very confused.

No one suggested abortion. What we suggest is 1) responsible parenting, and 2) if you can’t handle that, don’t get pregnant – at least not 14 freakin’ times, and 3) if you are that stupid – at least do what’s right by your many offspring.

You realize, by your logic, if she goes out and does it AGAIN and has another 8 kids … we have to support THAT because we’re pro-life.

Logic doesn’t sting, and advocating a political opinion doesn’t require abdicating simple logic.

Professor Blather on February 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Just start the obligitory Reality TV Show, something like John and Kate plus 8.

It’s a vagina, not a clown car!

Mazztek on February 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

She has the same obsessive collection compulsion with babies as Imelda Marcos had with shoes.

MB4 on February 11, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Giving her the money to spend is equivalent to handing Pelosi and Co. the Eightril…..

CynicalOptimist on February 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Second try is the charm, no?

and knowing that your twins are special needs (like at least 2 of her 6 kids she had already) would you go and try to have 6 or 8 more?

aren’t pro-lifers supposed to care about quality parenting for children who are already alive? or is it only about the future fetuses?

funky chicken on February 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Why argue with me? We’re saying the exact same thing – except my kids were delayed, not special needs. Meaning they’re catching up now with no permanent problems.

Inthenet – This woman became a freakshow long before we ever heard of her… the day she started paying a doctor to load her uterus with babies like a damn pez dispenser. I’m sorry you appear to be unable to multitask – I am condemning this woman for being irresponsible to her children and parents in her quest for a limitless brood, condemning women who use abortion as birth control, I’m brewing tea and watching my kids play right now. Oh, and typing on an internet site.

About the clowns in Washington, I condemn them too. Also, I don’t follow Jesus, but I don’t think He’d find her actions towards her family as being very honorable. Especially the part about honoring one’s parents (pretty sure that means don’t dump your children on them while using your disability checks to inject collegen in your lips).

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Killeen said donations have already poured in, including books, clothing, cribs, bedding and diapers.

The best donations of all would be those for a tubal ligation. Second best donations, for psychiatric treatment.

MB4 on February 11, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Seriously though, I suspect she’s sociopathic.

Thanks in part to our welfare system, she has been insulated from bearing the full weight of responsibility for her actions. She wouldn’t have been so quick to get knocked up if she had been starving.

This woman is a loathesome parasite. I feel desperately sad for her innocent children.

LimeyGeek on February 11, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Sorry for the doubled post. Thought the internet beasties ate my first one, and I rewrote a similar version.

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Pro-life = pro-child. And what she’s done is child abuse.

Professor Blather on February 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

So she’s 14 times better at being pro-life than most of us…

Listen… you can make a case that she needs financial assistance, and you can make a case that she likely had her hands full before these new children, but child abuse? You on drugs yourself? That’s just wrong! Child abuse for raising children? She did not abort children; she wants to have children! You seem selfish that she should someone just have one child or two and give them all Harvard educations. The best present someone can give you is life itself. Who are you to judge how many someone has?

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

Seriously though, I suspect she’s sociopathic.

Thanks in part to our welfare system, she has been insulated from bearing the full weight of responsibility for her actions. She wouldn’t have been so quick to get knocked up if she had been starving.

This woman is a loathesome parasite. I feel desperately sad for her innocent children.

LimeyGeek on February 11, 2009 at 7:44 PM

Exactly. She’s a mooch, plain and simple.

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 7:47 PM

Naturally, giving an idiot money is the essence of the pro-life movement.

/eyeroll

TheUnrepentantGeek on February 11, 2009 at 6:51 PM

It would seem the snark got ahead of AP’s commonsense again.

aikidoka on February 11, 2009 at 7:48 PM

Honestly, I think Hawkdriver is an astroturfer.

If her parents want to forgive her, that’s fine by me.

She may be herself be excused by virtue of her mental defects, but that doesn’t mean she necessarily is the proper parent for these children, or that if she is the best parent for them she won’t need some watching. But this is irresponsible treatment of human beings for selfish ends and I won’t be adding to the subsidy beyond what social services provides.

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM

In the net, of course its child abuse to have children you can’t take care of to fulfill grandiose fantasies or to provide her narcissistic supply. But her reckless disregard for their health and well being shouldn’t be rewarded as if it were a virtuous act.

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 7:51 PM

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:46 PM

I wouldn’t have cared less if this woman had 14 kids naturally. Who the hell in their right mind gets IVF repeatedly, implanting as many embryos as she can, because she wants to be a mother? It’s not child abuse for having them, it’s abuse for subjecting them to that sort of beginning – they are preemies, and likely will have serious health issues for years if not the rest of their lives. Not to mention the children she already had that have medical problems. Don’t have more children, if you can’t take care of the ones you already have! She set out to have these octuplets, it’s not like she accidentally got pregnant on a one-night stand!

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Seriously though, I suspect she’s sociopathic.

She’s an example of unselfishness and extreme pro-life motherhood; nothing “sociopathic” about that… I admire her and wish we had more mothers in America as we once had dedicated to pro-life and the survival of the American family! Far too many selfish couples today that care more for their own BMW than the future of the nation… I hope she collects a lot in speaking fees and appearances to care for new family…

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM

Honestly.

I re-read ALLAH’s post up there again….

I AM POSITIVELY TURNED. ON.

ALLAH….you wanna be my Baby Daddy?

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Hawkdriver is usually a good guy, so I don’t think he’s a turfer. He’s just in the minority on this one.

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM

The world is full of disordered people who do foolish things. More shocking than this is the doctor that took advantage of her to build his practice and reputation. He’s the major villian – and I hope he gets all the attention he deserves.

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Don’t have more children, if you can’t take care of the ones you already have!

Should Mary & Joseph have followed your guidance? They didn’t have a big house or much food to offer young Jesus! Matter of fact, not even a room at the Inn. Last I heard that worked out pretty well…

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

She’s an example of unselfishness and extreme pro-life motherhood; nothing “sociopathic” about that… I admire her and wish we had more mothers in America as we once had dedicated to pro-life and the survival of the American family! Far too many selfish couples today that care more for their own BMW than the future of the nation… I hope she collects a lot in speaking fees and appearances to care for new family…

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM

My husband and I desperately want another; we’re waiting to see if he makes chief and waiting for the house to sell before trying. However, if you’re willing to support this woman because she’s so willing to be a mother, surely you could send some money our way to help us out (house could use a new roof to up the asking price). I mean, we’re two red-blooded Americans, one active duty, one vet, with three kids who’d dearly love a little sister (or brother) in the house. That includes one little girl who almost became an abortion casulty herself, until I chickened out.

Somehow, I don’t think we qualify for your charity…

/off

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM

Inthenet, she doesn’t seem to care much for “family”. Rather, she cares for her image as a sort of matriarch. It’s all about her. And the natural consequences of her choices is revulsion for a reason. If family were her concern she would have acted differently, with some concern for the needs of others.

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 8:00 PM

For the little babies I donated,..no matter what your “personal” feelings may be, this is about the little babies, she’s not abusing any of them, nor did she abort them,..the babies are here, you can’t change that- if people want to help, they should.
On a much brighter side, they might turn out to be conservative.
(all 14 of them)..: o )

christene on February 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Inthenet, she isn’t likely to collect much of anything but scorn.

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM

It’s a vagina, not a clown car!

Mazztek on February 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

Wrote this same opinion in June of 2007 when the MACHE family gave birth to their sideshow. Luckily, they are old news, and so soon shall this be.

IT’S A UTERUS, Mrs. Mache, NOT A CLOWN CAR.

You would not BEEEEEElieve the HATE mail I got for this….and from the PRO LIFERS.

READ IT, not because I want the traffic, but it says things so hateful about this “multiples cult” that I can only dare say them on my own turf!

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:02 PM

The money isn’t going to “the babies.” The money is going to Suleman to spend on whatever she wants to spend it on. You want to spend money on the babies? Try donating to Kaiser for their medical bills.

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Should Mary & Joseph have followed your guidance? They didn’t have a big house or much food to offer young Jesus! Matter of fact, not even a room at the Inn. Last I heard that worked out pretty well…

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Well, my opinions on what Mary and Joseph should have done shall be kept to myself… Wait a minute, they didn’t have a place to stay because they were travelling! The inns were full. Didn’t Joseph have other wives or something? Don’t you have anything better?

A non-biblical story would be nice… I don’t own a Bible to reference. Thank you.

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 8:02 PM

For the little babies I donated,..no matter what

your “personal” feelings may be, this is about the little babies, she’s not abusing any of them, nor did she abort them,..the babies are here, you can’t change that- if people want to help, they should.
On a much brighter side, they might turn out to be conservative.
(all 14 of them)..: o )

christene on February 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM

SAVE. IT. WHINER.

**read page one…you’re late to the party***

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

The kid had a father, a normal family unit, and a chance at a decent childhood.

a capella on February 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Should Mary & Joseph have followed your guidance? They didn’t have a big house or much food to offer young Jesus! Matter of fact, not even a room at the Inn. Last I heard that worked out pretty well…

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

You are confusing GOD with DR. MOREAU.

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:05 PM

I heard she is looking for sponsors…
-
“Next time… I’m going for the Guinness Book Record!”

RalphyBoy on February 11, 2009 at 8:07 PM

Who is taking care of the children when she is out promoting herself, conducting interviews and fundraising activities, having her hair and fingernails done?

Those poor children.

Larry L. Sharp on February 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM

I prefer my money go towards helping Babies,..rather then aborting them, like my tax dollars.
Maybe planned parenthood will donate.

christene on February 11, 2009 at 8:18 PM

Woman ain’t a fit mother, pro-life or not.

spmat on February 11, 2009 at 8:20 PM

I think she has Angelina Jolie syndrome.

Without the money.

Nice lips.

getalife on February 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Hey momma… wanna make $14 the hard way?

burnitup on February 11, 2009 at 8:25 PM

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM

geez

hawkdriver on February 11, 2009 at 8:27 PM

You know what is funny (and sad)? Women can abort children day in and day out and nobody says a thing! Hell… some women even abort children every year and still nobody says a thing. But let some woman decide to have children, in a manner that is not “typical” or “usual” to the 2.5 average, and then the hypocrisy chorus chants in unison against her. This discussion has hardened my belief and support of this woman, who turned down selective abortion; instead she chose the pro-life path! God bless her!

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 8:29 PM

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

I’d be more inclined to agree with you with regards to her actions be pro-child if this were an accident of nature and she decided to keep all the children.

Perhaps we’re not explaining ourselves well, but, I don’t think that most (if any) of the people that think this was a bad decision feel that way simply because she’s poor and can’t buy every child an Xbox.

I went to church with a woman from Africa that had walked across half of the continent escaping famine and war in her country. As she walked alone with her six kids (her husband had already been killed in the conflict), she gathered up three other children that had been abandoned by their parents (it was common in the area at the time – the parents didn’t want to watch their children die slowly so they abandoned them while they slept). She arrived in the U.S. as a refuge with 9 kids and no husband and worked 3 jobs in order to provide them all with food and shelter.

She was a natural mother that took care of her own children and the children abandoned by others.

The octuplets mom already had 6 kids that she was unable to provide for and made a decision to undergo a medical procedure to create 8 more children. She was already unable to provide food and shelter and time to the 6 she had and more than doubled that number. It doesn’t seem pro-life or pro-child. It seems like the thoughtless act of a selfish woman.

JadeNYU on February 11, 2009 at 8:30 PM

SarahW on February 11, 2009 at 7:49 PM

Hawkdriver is about as far away from being an astroturfer as a person can get.

One good indication that a person is not a leftist is if they are talking about changing their own spending habits (e.g. “skip a dinner out this week”) in order to donate their own money to a cause they find worthy.

If he were a leftist, he’d be screaming that the government should step in and help out the poor woman.

JadeNYU on February 11, 2009 at 8:34 PM

I’m pro life. But this is total abuse. If she could afford her 87 children, then she’s welcome to them. But…she can’t.

I don’t care about her, I don’t care about her stupid children (or Michelle Obama’s either).

The kids should be confiscated and distributed to people waiting and able to adopt.

I’m more tired of this waste of skin than I am B. Hussein Osama, and that’s saying a lot.

NickTx on February 11, 2009 at 8:37 PM

I left her note that exactly expresses my feelings towards her. I believe I mentioned leprosy.

thuja on February 11, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Cue the MSM spinning this as “Selfish Backward Troglodyte Stabs Mother Earth With 14 Knives” in 3 . . . 2 . . .

Ryan Gandy on February 11, 2009 at 8:38 PM

OK…you asked for it………

These poor sots have been sold the American Standard that pregnancy at any cost, equals parenthood.

Hundreds of thousands of couples every year get the notion that a couple hits of CLOMID can’t be that big a deal. Fertility drugs might help them to finally possess their heart’s fondest desire. A Mini-We.

But where is the line between a few cycles with some maternal Miracle-Gro and tens of thousands of dollars in mechanical medical intervention guaranteed to bleed them dry before they have even bought the first diaper?

That line is the essence and purest definition of the word “parent”.

Americans can buy anything they need. A life-saving heart surgery on a tiny infant courtesy of the greatest medical system on the planet is something we should all cheer.

But if buying their way into the poor house for the want of gestating their own freckles sprinkled across a tiny version (or six) of their husband’s nose as the only path to fulfillment, then sadly, too many women are willing to open their wallets and close their minds to the depths of their own egotism. What infertile couples need to do is open their hearts.

How many foster children will go rootless so that six children can intentionally be born to indebted parents, unable to independently care for their individual special medical needs, just for the sake of genetic superiority?

Please save your non-judgmental cooing and entreaties of empathetic material support. I refuse to send diapers or financial aid to people who have wantonly created their own Hell. Instead, I will fervently pray for the survival and well-being of the inevitable few babies whose feebleness will be the direct result of human tampering with a process that was never designed to be improved upon.

Children are the embodiment of the very Breath of God.

Litters of children are more the fondest wish of Dr. Moreau.

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Mark my words, this is going to be trumpeted as exactly why large families should kill themselves immediately and the rest should apply for government-issued child bearing permits good for one child.

Ryan Gandy on February 11, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Should Mary & Joseph have followed your guidance? They didn’t have a big house or much food to offer young Jesus! Matter of fact, not even a room at the Inn. Last I heard that worked out pretty well…

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 7:56 PM

Well, Joseph had a trade, and Mary wasn’t a single mother.

As far as the room at the inn, as I understand it there was a big convention in town and everything was booked. Not really their fault. I’m sure if they’d gone to an Obama rally someone would have given them someplace to stay, rent free.

malclave on February 11, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Maby she will breast feed them all,dry up and blow away.

Rick007 on February 11, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Ryan Gandy on February 11, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Unfortunately, it will be used as ammo by some.

The sad thing is that most of the large families I know are very self-sufficient. I’ve known a 12-kidder, a couple 9-kidders and plenty of 5-kidders and none of them were on government assistance. My uncle & aunt with only 1 kid has been on government assistance his whole adult life (in addition to mooching off of every relative including his teenage son).

These sorts of things always make the news though and people think that every large family came about this way and sucks up resources like this.

Heck, due to cost restraints, I’d be willing to wager that some 9-kid families are a lot more careful with resources than 1-kid families are.

JadeNYU on February 11, 2009 at 8:45 PM

I’m pro life. But this is total abuse. If she could afford her 87 children, then she’s welcome to them. But…she can’t.

She is giving herself to her children; the size of her family alarms you simply because it is large and this story is newsworthy. But do not be fooled; families on welfare that have lived on welfare their whole lives are common. Why are you being a hypocrite criticizing this woman when others have done it? All families on welfare should be condemned if you condemn this woman. Family size should not be a criteria for criticism if you are honest in evaluating welfare.

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 8:46 PM

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 8:46 PM

PISS. OFF.

Do I hear a Second?

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:47 PM

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 8:29 PM

If you have never heard anybody speak out against abortion, you have selective hearing. She’s not some woman that got pregnant unplanned and kept the resulting baby. There is nothing admirable about a woman that has such a disregard for human life – if she cared about children, she would have cared for the ones she already had, the ones she’s dumped on her parents to raise. If she cared, she would not have crammed eight babies in her body – she could have had far less implanted, and made the journey from implantation to birth a much safer and comfortable one. Nothing says she couldn’t have saved the remaining embryos for later.

I never knew pro-life could be twisted to mean “pop out as many babies as humanly possible, because at least you’re not like those whores that abort.” I thought it meant “if you have an unplanned pregnancy, do the right thing and don’t kill the baby.”

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 8:48 PM

All families on welfare should be condemned if you condemn this woman. Family size should not be a criteria for criticism if you are honest in evaluating welfare.

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 8:46 PM

I condemn those that mooch off the system, without ever trying to get off the dole, regardless of family size. I respect those that use it during hardships, and get off as soon as possible (been there with WIC).

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 8:51 PM

I’m done here, time to round up my kiddos and put us all to bed. I need a nice cup of tea to calm down.

Goodnight, all! : )

Anna on February 11, 2009 at 8:53 PM

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:47 PM

I guess this could be one of those times I’m going to just not understand the sentiment.

hawkdriver on February 11, 2009 at 8:54 PM

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:47 PM

For putting forth a reasoned argument with no insults or profanity, nor any trolling behavior?

No. No second. I will however propose you take your own advice, along with your insanely aggressive yet purile posting attitude.

MadisonConservative on February 11, 2009 at 8:55 PM

Goodnight, all! : )

Anna

Best wishes… I sincerely hope you change your mind on this subject…

Nadya Suleman’s Charity Website… bless them:
http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

IntheNet on February 11, 2009 at 9:02 PM

Woman ain’t a fit mother, pro-life or not.

spmat on February 11, 2009 at 8:20 PM

That’s the bottom line.

newton on February 11, 2009 at 9:09 PM

This is the end result of progressive philosophy – Families come in all shapes and sizes – no pun intended.

WC on February 11, 2009 at 9:15 PM

More unnecessary evidence that the welfare state is an enabler of bad decision making. Thankfully, this stimulus bill will go to great lengths to facilitate more costly bad decision making.

moxie_neanderthal on February 11, 2009 at 9:20 PM

Ah, pro life but do not care about the children.

Put your money behind your argument.

getalife on February 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM

I am pro life..

I also know that you dont have to get pregnant when you already have 6 kids..

And no job..

So i am sorry but while i would dontate to any single mother with children and i have..

I will NOT donate to this moron..

Because she is using the children either due to mental illness or as a way to make money

I am sorry i suggest all of the liberals who so love the state to pony up ohh take the money out of the refunds for all of the illegal mexicans they are planning on signing up
and give it to this woman..

I will not subsidize her absolute disgreguard for human life..
for if she cared for these chidren she wouldnt have had 8 more..

she is an idiot..
and i am sorry but the children will suffer…
Hell her own mother had enough and moved out..

And i dont blame her..
If my own kids did this crap

I would thrown them all out on the street with the babies
and immidiatly call the police..

jcila on February 11, 2009 at 9:39 PM

the progressives should be happy
here are 14 more children acorn can sign up to vote..

I saw this woman and i am sorry
she is a complete friggin idiot

There is no way she is going to get a job
and then take care of 8 babies

i am sorry she needs to be put into a mental institution and have her tubes tied by a liberal judge..

to make the argument that if your pro life you must start paying for others children when most pro life people actually care for their own families is spurious at best..

Pro life also means being pro responsibility..

but the liberal keep forgettng that word..

Morons..

jcila on February 11, 2009 at 9:42 PM

I’m pro-life, and I’m also strongly pro-adoption. This woman is clearly mentally unbalanced, ergo an unfit mother.

Each one of these fourteen kids needs to be disbursed into the foster care system ASAP until permanent adoptive homes can be found for them. Expensive? Yes. Will taxpayers foot the bill? Almost certainly. But far less an affront to my sense of justice.

gryphon202 on February 11, 2009 at 9:43 PM

I went to her site earlier, saw the story on Fox web site. I wrote her a note. It wasn’t mean but I was blunt. She did this for money. I feel that people that don’t have kids, or has raised their kids. Should get tax cuts. There is something eerie about her. I mean very eerie. Lets hope she doesn’t snap one day. She isn’t fit to be a mother.

sheebe on February 11, 2009 at 9:44 PM

You gotta be out of your frakin’ mind! No skin job’s gonna get a dime from me!

–Saul Tigh, before he found out he himself is a skin job

Pilgrimsarbour on February 11, 2009 at 9:45 PM

You breed ‘em, you feed ‘em. If you can’t, give them up for adoption to someone who can.

Hog Wild on February 11, 2009 at 10:03 PM

I hope y’all give generously to this nutty octobator, who hasn’t demonstrated any other usefulness in life, because we in CA are broke.

If you live here, get busy, otherwise. Your wallet depends on it.

Entelechy on February 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM

The LA John and Ken show had a survey going and only 5.7% were contributing to the octo-cyber-mooching.

Entelechy on February 11, 2009 at 10:09 PM

seejanemom on February 11, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Second!

NickTx on February 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Again as in so many issues the focus is on the wrong subject. Who should be investigated is her doctor and on what ethical basis that he made the decision to implant the embryos and even more pertinent is what should the link be between modern medical science and personal responsibility.

technopeasant on February 11, 2009 at 10:21 PM

This is a responsibility issue. She deliberately got knocked up with each of her 14 kids, and PAID an IVF clinic to do the honors. Funny how she has money for a nose job, lip “enhancement” (I’ll fatten her lip for her for free), IVF treatments, fake nails, and perpetual college tuition, but she is taking food stamp money, SSI disability for two or three kids, medical handouts, and media money for pictures of the kids.

SICK!

Laura in Maryland on February 11, 2009 at 6:21 PM

This resonated with me. This is a failure to take responsibility for ones actions. She can pay cash for the fertilization and for her cosmetic surgery, but she doesn’t have the money to feed her kids? Is this what we can expect from the 0bama administration? There’s something hugely wrong with this woman, and I don’t think she can care for those babies, or the older ones either. If she were responsible she would not have had any fertility treatments unless she was financially able to care for even one child! She didn’t just stop at one, or 6. This last bought of IVF was way beyond irresponsible.

4shoes on February 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM

There was a poster a few days ago who said this woman was treating babies as if they were collectibles. I think she was pretty much correct.

jeanie on February 11, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Don’t we think old ladies with 14 cats are crazy? If anything, this is nuttier.

Speedwagon82 on February 11, 2009 at 11:36 PM

3 bedroom house – 3 adults, 6 children and now there will be 8 more?! This is just outrageous!

Public assistance that this person says isn’t affiliated with welfare??? It would seem by all accounts that none of the adults work. Yet she has thousands to put out for IVF treatments?? She’s going to support them all with student loans?? (last I knew student loans paid for tuition, books, some include a small living stipend)

This isn’t a pro life issue… this is a child welfare issue. The woman is seriously mental and these children are in eminent danger of neglect (all 14 of them!)

ladyhawke53 on February 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM

Has she been spayed yet?

billypaintbrush on February 12, 2009 at 12:20 AM

For the people on here that are saying that she needs to have her children taken away from her, I am hoping this is being said tongue-in-cheek. I for one do not want to live in a country where the state can come in and remove my children when there has been no proof of abuse or neglect. People on here may suspect that the above is true, but proof is another matter. Her children appeared well-fed, clean and loved. I would hope that no one thinks that the foster care system in America is the place for these children. Do you really think they are doing such a bang-up job with the kids they have now? I certainly don’t think she has done anything to merit having her parental rights terminated, so by removing the children, you are committing them to a life in the system apart from their siblings. Besides, is anyone on here going to say that these children are in more danger than the ones that are being beaten, neglected, and starved on a daily basis and the child welfare services in this country and giving their parents second, third and fourth chances. Believe me, a little girl in our own town was beaten and burned to death last year by her father and step-mother and social workers had been called and called and called. The “parents” got life-sentences, the social workers, nothing. I don’t want social workers busy with cases that aren’t a high priority when there are children at such high risk.
I’m not saying she is the benchmark for normalcy. But, the children are here now and one day they will be able to Google this and see how people felt about them and I think that is sad. I think it is somewhat like teenage pregnancy. No one wants their teen to become pregnant, but once the baby is here, you love that baby and realize that the child had no choice in this matter at all and you do everything you can to help make that child’s life better.

conservativemama on February 12, 2009 at 1:01 AM

It’s a vagina, not a clown car!

Mazztek on February 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM

That’s funny and I agree…Your average clown car is allot smaller.

repvoter on February 12, 2009 at 1:23 AM

She’s a whack job attention whore bimbo with children, voraciously feeding on welfare and the foolhardy kindness of strangers.

I’m already donating… thru my hard earned money being funneled into taxes and welfare to educate her and feed her and her litter. I’m doing my share.

FlatFoot on February 12, 2009 at 1:39 AM

Astroturfer doesn’t mean “leftist”. Shilling for Suleman is suspect. If you want to donate to her babies, do not line her pockets with discretionary funds.

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 1:55 AM

The best gift for those octuplets: brand-new moms and brand-new dads. The farther away they are from that insane woman of a mother, the better.

I wonder if she may even have traces of Munchhausen by proxy…

newton on February 12, 2009 at 2:41 AM

Put a dollar in the slot and out pops a baby?

Erm…..no thanks, really.

Spiritk9 on February 12, 2009 at 2:55 AM

There is no way in hell that I would send this woman any money and reward her for acting irresponsible. She is a publicity whore who does not deserve to keep her kids.

Erockk on February 12, 2009 at 4:27 AM

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 1:55 AM

Lady, you don’t know me. Don’t try to justify the ridiculous name you gave me because you think my “shilling” is suspect. I came here and made heartfelt comments about this woman and her situation. I said I donated money. I didn’t ask you to. True Conservative have situations that come before them where they do act on their heart and against reason. This was one of mine.

BTW, I think what you thought you wanted to call me was a Moby. That’s someone who comes on the thread and argues the point at an angle to try to bring out the worst in Conservatives. That seems to have happened of it’s own accord. As I understand it, an astroturfer is one that actually is part of the beginnings or apparent grassroots efforts of a movement. So unless you think I was the one who helped get her pregnant, it doesn’t apply.

If you’ve ever read any of my other posts, you’d certainly know I’m no leftist, I don’t have the political bent to make me want to “shill” for our tax dollars going to an irresponsible adult like this mother and that I’m a Conservative to the point of riling some very good middle of the road Libertarians friends on this blog. You can get pissed off at me for being too much of a stick in the mud Bible thumping backwards Conservative but astroturfer for the left is just absurd.

hawkdriver on February 12, 2009 at 7:38 AM

Allow me to be both blunt and crude…

This lady’s problem is that she doesn’t know the difference between her vagina and a clown car.

ynot4tony2 on February 12, 2009 at 7:51 AM

conservativemama on February 12, 2009 at 1:01 AM

I missed your post before. Well said.

hawkdriver on February 12, 2009 at 8:16 AM

She needs court-ordered tube-tying. This idiot shouldnt have kids she knowingly can’t support. Again, families without fathers…real nice huh? Bring back fathers who have a say in something and can put some authority figure back in kids lives rather than have them need a cop to fill that spot later in life.

johnnyU on February 12, 2009 at 8:31 AM

ISnt the fact of moving all those babies into that small house count as abuse? The house is dirty, clothes all over the floor and food on the walls?

becki51758 on February 12, 2009 at 8:55 AM

She needs to take all proceeds, hire an army of cobblers, and build a really big shoe. Support would come from the exhibition of the shoe as a theme park or something…..

This lady needs to have all fourteen children put up for adoption, and herself institutionalized….

adamsmith on February 12, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Hawkdriver, the term is astroturfer. A shill. Not a moby.

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Why are people calling her and threatening her and her children’s life??

Disgusting behavior.

AprilOrit on February 12, 2009 at 10:05 AM

ISnt the fact of moving all those babies into that small house count as abuse? The house is dirty, clothes all over the floor and food on the walls?

becki51758 on February 12, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Ahemmm, ever been to a foster home??

AprilOrit on February 12, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Regardless of how people feel about these children being placed into foster care, social workers do need to investigate.

As a foster parent–something that I’ve been for going on seven years now–I can assure you that, most assuredly, appearances can be deceiving.

While these children appear to be loved, fed, and cared for, that doesn’t mean that they actually are.

Having watched the interviews that she’s given, the only reason she wanted lots of children is because her mother wouldn’t give her a sibling and she wanted that kind of bond. That’s a sign that she’s got some mental issues. These children are, for lack of a better word, surrogate siblings for her. Lots and lots and lots of surrogate siblings. If they’re fulfilling this need of hers to have a sibling bond, then she’s no longer acting as their mother, but as their big sister. That can possibly lead to a whole slew of issues down the road.

As I said, my wife and I are foster (and now adoptive) parents. Currently, we have two children with severe Reactive Attachment Disorder (aka RAD). This is a mental disorder that takes upwards of a couple decades to ‘fix’–if it can be ‘fixed’ at all. It’s caused by a baby not getting the attention that they need by their mother within the first year of their life. The repercussions are staggering.

So here is this woman who now has fourteen children that are her surrogate siblings, three of her children are getting SSI because of their special needs, eight babies that who knows if they’re going to have special needs as large multiples are prone to do, living on welfare, no job, somehow has the money to pay for not one but TWO publicists, is (basically) homeless as she’s living in her mother’s house (except her mother’s now left), and is now going to use the welfare system as a hammock rather than a safety net…

Yes, I know there are roughly 850,000 children in foster care in this country right now. My wife and I are doing our best at raising five of them.

Yet I would strongly support these children being placed into foster care, should the evidence support it. It could literally save the lives of these children, as well as give them some stability that might not be there right now.

Yes, I understand the unsteadiness and fear of a system that could get so overbearing that they have the right to go in and take children away from their mothers and their siblings. I completely understand that, as I worry about it too–being someone who has to battle the system (and trust me, foster parents do battle the system every single day of their lives), I’ve seen things like this take place. But I also understand that–much like the prison system–for every one who is wrongly removed, there are hudreds–if not thousands–who were removed for the right reasons.

This woman needs to have her head seriously checked out. I can understand wanting a large family. But wanting something and having it at the expense of your children’s lives are two totally different things.

And, let’s be honest here… Yes, foster parents get paid a pittance for caring for a child who is in the state’s custody. That pittance comes from tax dollars. Welfare comes from tax dollars as well. The only difference between these children living on welfare with their mother and living in foster homes is location. We’re already paying for them. If their mother is as unstable as the impressions she gives, well… Wouldn’t it be better for these children to live in a home where they can be properly cared for?

I say, let the social services people go in and examine the place she’s currently staying in. Get her head examined by a real professional psychiatrist. If we’re all wrong, and she’s got the mental capacity and physical capabilities of raising fourteen children on her own, then–by all means–let the children stay there. But if she doesn’t, remove them. There’s nothing stating that these children cannot continue to have a bond with each other. My foster (and soon to be adopted) children still have a bond with their older half-brother–who is being adopted by another family. Just because they don’t live together doesn’t mean that they’ll lose that bond. Despite what appearances might be, foster parents aren’t horrible people who love to take children away from their biological parents. We strive to work together to keep families together. Even when their bio parents are incapable of doing so.

And besides, just because you can have a baby doesn’t mean you should. Let alone fourteen.

No, I’m not saying that she should have aborted any of them. A better solution (IMO) would have been to take those fertilized eggs and donate them to couples who struggle with infertility. Bring some light, some life, and some love to them by helping them create their own family when they just can’t do it themselves. The children just might be better off for it.

AprilOrit on February 12, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Oh, and AprilOrit–yes, I’ve been to a foster home. I live in one. Mine is NOT dirty, clothes all over the floor, and food on the walls. Well, sometimes it is, but doesn’t every home that has small children in it occasionally like that? Children don’t always pick up their dirty clothes and put them in the laundry room, no matter how many times you ask (and eventually tell) them to do so. Small children sometimes do throw their food, so sometimes some does land on the wall(s)–and typically, it’s something that’s red or orange so that it stains. And, by and large, all children get dirty, so it stands to reason that they’ll bring dirt into the home. But it’s nothing that a little soap and water or a vacuum cleaner can’t handle.

jedijson on February 12, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Hawkdriver, the term is astroturfer. A shill. Not a moby.

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM

My point was the effect was a rather more DU or DailyKos atmosphere here before I ever commented about my donation. That’s what a Moby would desire. The effect was present beforehand.

But, I’m neither. So, thanks anyways.

hawkdriver on February 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM

For the people on here that are saying that she needs to have her children taken away from her, I am hoping this is being said tongue-in-cheek. I for one do not want to live in a country where the state can come in and remove my children when there has been no proof of abuse or neglect.
conservativemama on February 12, 2009 at 1:01 AM

I understand your point and my feelings on the matter are somewhat tongue in cheek.

But I look at the overall picture, small house, no visible means of support, older children with special needs, premature multiples with the possibility of having special needs. All born by a Mother who felt the need for “many” children because somehow she felt cheated and or a lack of love by her parents because she was an only child!! what? Six beautiful children already here weren’t enough? This same Mother who in interviews so far makes me feel she’s off in la la land somewhere!

I fear she doesn’t have the wherewithal to raise these children particularly once the novelty wears off. That’s why I personally feel they are in danger of being neglected at the least. The best of us would no doubt lose some of our sanity with 6 older children clamoring for our attention with 8 newborns crying for food or comfort. At this point I’m not seeing any relief or support for the Mother with the exception of the Grandmother and Grandfather. As a grandmother myself, I can not imagine helping 14 children under the age of 7, 24/7. And My grandchildren are the air I breathe.

I just think it’s terribly sad for the children and totally irresponsible and selfish of this single mother.

ladyhawke53 on February 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

April, you don’t think that her publicist is exaggerating to generate sympathy? It’s easy enough to believe some unpleasant comments along the lines of “drop dead” have been sent her way, but I doubt very much more than that kind of abuse has been directed towards her. Her publicist claims to have received comments suggesting the publicist and his partner ought to be fed into a chipper.

If you will only backlash against the backlash and donate please. She’s got to have a 14 room house where her family can be safe. Because of the BABIES!

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

ISnt the fact of moving all those babies into that small house count as abuse? The house is dirty, clothes all over the floor and food on the walls?

becki51758 on February 12, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Since I’ve read that line from your post, I’ve been looking for a link where a video demonstrated or an article that claimed that condition. Didn’t see or read about it in any of them. Can you link to the video and or article where you saw dirt or food on the walls? You noticed I didn’t ask for a link to where it was asserted there were clothes on the floor. (THE HORROR)

hawkdriver on February 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM

JohnnyU, her blocked tubes/ectopic pregnancies are the reason given for her resort to IVF in the first place. If you don’t want her to try IVF again, don’t give her money.

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Hawkdriver, I don’t feel like looking for any link, but I did see video of the condition of Suleman’s house. It is a wreck, cramped and dirty with heaps of clothing and other detritus everywhere. I’ve seen worse, I suppose, but it was chaotic and dirty, not just messy.
Perhaps her overwhelmed parents let it get that way while Suleman was disabled in the hospital for the past 2 months.

If Suleman were in her right mind and sensible of the needs of her existing children and the burden to her parents, she would never have deliberately risked another SINGLETON pregnancy that could make her sick, unable to work and care for her family, let alone a high-multiple IVF cycle., without a husband or hired help to protect against that eventuality.

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM

JohnnyU, her blocked tubes/ectopic pregnancies are the reason given for her resort to IVF in the first place. If you don’t want her to try IVF again, don’t give her money.

SarahW on February 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

SarahW, I absolutely hate getting into a running firefight with a fellow Conservative, but why are you actively asserting HA commenter’s not donate. I never told anyone else I thopught they should donate, as you at least seemed to assert with the astroturf/shill comment. I’d say if anyone was trying to effect donation one way or the other it would be you.

Bottom line SararW (my daughters namesake) I don’t think her situation is anything close to ideal. I wouldn’t want my Sarah to have done anything like that. I would never come on here and tell folks I think they ought to donate. I’m a Conservative and we obviously think that’s up to the individual. (I also don’t think this is a situation where we should try to persuade folks not to donate) But further, I don’t think the woman has any claim to government aid based on a conscious decision she’s made. Again, I think it was foolhardy. The point is the babies are here and the best place is with the mother in a situation where they can be supported. Only time will tell whether she’s able to do that. As far as her motivations, having raised an only-child, I know there is a yearning for a more complete family environment. She’s claimed this in her interviews and I believe it at least possible. My Sarah is married now and already talking about what a big family she wants.

I’m “not” trying to turn the world into a nanny state over this one woman and “am” ready to march to Washington on any number of things this bunch of leftist-elitists are trying to shove down our throat. Just for the present time, I only meant to comment I’d give her the benefit of the doubt and donate. If I knew where she lived, I’d just buy the pampers and throw them over the fence.

Anyway, I’m not the enemy.

hawkdriver on February 12, 2009 at 12:22 PM

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