Do we kick these three out of the caucus, too?

YES!!!! If they vote for this kill America bill, YES!!!

With all due respect, I’m curious. How old are you?

We will take care of our own the best we can. With these changes the “new” best won’t be as good as the old. I can’t individually change anything at the national level, but I can look for opportunities to take advantage of the situation. Mortgage rates are way down, there are investment funds that aren’t as good as they might have been but do better than the rest, stocks will be a good buy at a good at some point and at least consistent purchase of them in our 401(k) means that we’re buying at low prices. Some people are buying up foreclosures.

Obama will hurt us for a very long time, but the world isn’t coming to an end.

I’m not the type to rollover just because the Dems had a victory. I’ll keep contacting legislators and doing what I can to change things. If it doesn’t work now, there may be victories later.

I’m also self-sufficient and will take care of my family and myself.

What alternative do you propose?

obladioblada on February 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM

With all due respect, seriously, I don’t want to argue with you because you are optimistic about the future. It’s not rolling over when one determines that the future is in serious, serious jeopardy. The democrats are going full speed ahead with putting themselves in a position to get their way for a very, very long time. Which means power and the destruction of anything and everyone that could ever put that at risk. And as much as I appreciate you contacting legislators – how is that working for any of us at this point? Our representatives don’t give a flip. They have the power, they have the control.
You are self-sufficient? I really hope you are able to stay that way. My guess is that your kids will be less self-sufficient regardless of how much you leave them.
The alternative? To be honest, I am not sure. But one thing I know for sure, is that the republican party is not it. I am not sure that if McCain had been elected we might be looking at something very similar of what we see today. I’m not rolling over when I say the republican party is dead as a political movement. It’s a party – not a movement. And the fat lady is finished with her song.
Good luck and God bless us all.

Not to be rude, but you need to take a drug test. The good thing for you though is that pretty soon, drugs will be legal. And free. And then you can just drift off into a comatose state like the Obama supporters lovers.

JeffinOrlando on February 11, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Really?

I’m not the type to rollover just because the Dems had a victory. I’ll keep contacting legislators and doing what I can to change things. If it doesn’t work now, there may be victories later.

I’m also self-sufficient and will take care of my family and myself.

What alternative do you propose?

Be aware that if you make an “unpopular” comment, it will be removed and sanctimonious posters will make snotty comments…

Exit question: Do we kick these three out of the caucus, too?

No. We grow the party by growing its conservative base via the use of conservative arguments. In this case, it is intuitively obvious (and soon enough will be experienced) that government does not create wealth, it appropriates it. Then takes a (big) cut. Then redistributes it in accordance with ITS preferences, whether Democrat or Republican.

The preferences of government are politically determined by the special interests who have purchased favor, whether Democrat or Republican. These interests may or may not coincide with ones personal interests, but they certainly introduce economic inefficiency relative to the elegant supply and demand determined distribution of scarce resources provided by free markets unperturbed by either government intervention or unlawful greed. Free markets most efficiently create the vast wealth that government appropriates.

Folks out of work, preserving work, providing work should vote for economic efficiency, vote for smaller government, vote conservative, vote Republican (to the extent they really follow through next time).

No, now the task is to see how we can prevent further damage and/or reverse things in this bill. And to figure out how we can each best take care of ourselves.

obladioblada on February 11, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Not to be rude, but you need to take a drug test. The good thing for you though is that pretty soon, drugs will be legal. And free. And then you can just drift off into a comatose state like the Obama supporters lovers.

game

set

match

That’s it boys and girls. They won. We lost.

Enjoy socialism.

angryed on February 11, 2009 at 6:02 PM

No, now the task is to see how we can prevent further damage and/or reverse things in this bill. And to figure out how we can each best take care of ourselves.

Whether it is the Gang of 14 or the Gang of 3 or the Gang of 6 the story is always the same.

That new RNC is just as effective as the old RNC.

Comrade, if we got rid of the sell outs, we wouldn’t have a party.

Dem aides: There may be three more GOP votes in the Senate for stimulus

I’m sure all of our yellow dog republicans are as proud as can be…

JadeNYU on February 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM

I got your point and I agree with it. Some don’t understand the difference between Party principles and Party platform.

The So-Cons have narrowly defined their principles. The GOP principles are pretty simple and pretty large tent and not limited to only social issues related to gays and abortion.

set

match

That’s it boys and girls. They won. We lost.

Enjoy socialism.

Mike D. on February 11, 2009 at 5:33 PM

I’m with you, Mike!

I’m sure Voinovich is just doing it for his grandchildren.

Slublog on February 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Was he crying?

I get the logic of Voinovich and Lugar — they’re from blue-collar purple states and have to prove they’re doing something to create jobs
Big A

Richard Lugar has been a disappointment lately. From amnesty …. now this….

The longer one remains in office, the greater the social pressure to listen to the DC elites, and ignore the phone calls from your constituents.

lorien1973 on February 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Texas Gal on February 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM

I think both of you missed the key point here – we should negotiate for more Mountain Dew!

Personally, I don’t see much of a point in name calling (though I do admit to using it myself on occasion). If person A defines RINO as “anyone that’s not a social con”, that’s good for them. If they spot someone that’s not a social con and call them a RINO, I guess they’re right by their own standards. It just doesn’t achieve much. Perhaps the person (or the person’s people) get their hackles raised and get distracted by trying to convince people they aren’t a RINO, but that’s it.

As for where I stand, I’m a fiscal libertarian & social/security conservative but to the extent that I can control my temper and think before I speak, I try to remember the 11th Commandment – Speak no ill of fellow Republicans. If Specter et al identify as Republicans, that’s great. I’m glad to have more people on the team.

Instead of spending my time calling names, I’d rather try to give these guys a reason to vote no. Specter has expressed that the bill was pushed through so fast there wasn’t time to read over it. He obviously doesn’t like the medical oversight provisions and there are other things that he’d like to fix in there as well. That’s what we should work on….kicking people out of the club (which I know is not what either of you were advocating) achieves nothing but temporary catharsis for those of us that are angry. It doesn’t change how these people voted in the past and how they’ll vote in the future.

Don’t just write and tell them you’re against it. Definitely don’t waste time telling them that you’re against them and think they suck. Explain what your issues are. Perhaps I’m the naivest person left in the party, but, if enough people are talking sense, I think there’s a chance they’ll listen.