Yon on Afghanistan: The Great Game
posted at 12:22 pm on February 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Michael Yon continues his coverage of Afghanistan by noting that the Great Game, in which Russia contended with the West (mainly Britain, now the US) for influence in Asia, continues apace. Yon asks how much Afghanistan is worth to the West, and whether we can have the same success there as in Iraq. He believes we can, but the odds are longer and we will require more tenacity to overcome them:
While we prepare to shunt perhaps 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan (which still will not be enough), Russia continues to play the Asian chessboard. The Russians are picking off pawn after pawn, and steadily eroding our foreign policy influence with them and other Central Asian countries. The Russians know that we need a land route through their country to Afghanistan, especially as we begin the slow process of increasing our combat presence. The Pakistan land route is one Achilles’ heel to our Afghanistan effort, and Russia is working hard to make sure that Russia is the other Achilles’ heel, which will strengthen the Russian position on matters such as missile defense. Russia, at the present rate, will eventually exercise considerable control over the spigot to Afghanistan. The Russians are successfully wrestling us into a policy arm-lock. While Russia takes American money and gains influence over our Afghan efforts, we will continue to spend lives and tens of billions of dollars per year on Afghanistan in an attempt to civilize what amounts to Jurassic Park.
We must start asking Russia, and others, who the true losers will be if we abandon Afghanistan and leave a resurgent Taliban to lap at their doorsteps. I am not advocating that we abandon Afghanistan, but our own population and allies might grow weary during the long journey unfolding before us. The direct threat to us derives far more from al Qaeda than the Taliban, and we can keep punching down al Qaeda for a lot less than it’s costing to prosecute the Afghan war while abdicating significant influence to Russia. Russia has much to worry about if NATO countries begin to abandon Afghanistan. …
As we enter a new fighting season in Afghanistan this year, we need to know that the President has our backs. Not just that he is behind us, but that he is covering our six and ready to politically and economically pounce on those who hamper our efforts. We need to know that the President is fully engaged in this fight, that he is there to win and for the long haul, that he listens and takes close counsel from our senior military, and that he has faith that we can make this process work. But eight years from now, this thing will not be over.
We must also understand that Afghanistan is what it is. The military is acutely aware that Afghanistan is not Iraq. The success we are seeing in Iraq is unlikely to suddenly occur in Afghanistan. If we are to deal with moderate elements of the AOGs (armed opposition groups) we must do so from a position of strength, and this means killing a lot of them this year, to encourage the surviving “reconcilables” to be more reconcilable.
Thus far, the President doesn’t appear to have anyone’s backs, least of all his own. The Russian deal with Kyrgyzstan to kick us out of Manas AFB, our main line of communication into Afghanistan, came as a shock within days of Obama taking office. We have yet to see a response to this parry, even though Kyrgyzstan apparently wants to give us an opening:
Kyrgyzstan’s parliament will delay a vote on expelling U.S. troops from an important base there until it receives $450 million in aid and loans promised by Russia, a lawmaker said Monday.
The base is a key staging platform for U.S. and coalition operations in Afghanistan.
“We have decided to wait until the Russians send the money,” Communist Party deputy Absamat Masaliyev, a member of the parliament’s coordinating body, told The Associated Press.
A delay in the vote to shut the Manas air base could give Washington extra time to negotiate a settlement and avoid closure of the facility.
Gee, you think? We should have foreseen the Russian attempt to bribe Kyrgyzstan and had a team negotiating more aid with Bishkek to counter it. We still could do that now. The Russians have a worse economic situation than ours, as the collapse in oil prices eliminates the main source of their export revenue. There is no reason to lose Bishkek except by laziness.
We have to anticipate these efforts by Russia to control influence in the region. Even before the Bolsheviks seized power 92 years ago, Russia fought a war of influence and intelligence with the West in this region. In some cases, the Crimea being one example, the fight flared into open warfare, but for the most part the conflict unfolded in diplomatic circles for two centuries. Putin is only the latest tsar to play the Great Game. He had a worthy adversary in George Bush, despite Bush’s initial misreading of Putin.
Will Obama prove his mettle in this arena? Or will he become a Jimmy Carter, fumbling the regional alliances and failing to look three steps ahead? So far, the indicators are not promising, and that could spell doom for our efforts to fight al-Qaeda and the Taliban anywhere near Afghanistan. Without Kyrgyzstan, we will have to rely on Pakistan for our lines of communication, which will likely mean an end to any effective tactics across the border into the Pakistani FATA where the terrorists are based.
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C’mon, you know the only evil people in this world are Republican-Americans.
Everyone else is just a friend we haven’t met.
Obama’s President now, all is honey and unicorns.
NoDonkey on February 10, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Is this a trick question?
right2bright on February 10, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Bob Herbert wrote today that Obama’s presser demonstrated how able Obama is at playing “chess” and managing to see so many steps ahead. Bob’s the guy who saw phallic symbols in every GOP add depicting Obama.
I think Bob is FOS.
BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM
About as much as another bleeding ulcer.
The kind of success you have when you have climbed half way out of a hole that you dug and fell in.
MB4 on February 10, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Obama is so far over his head, this thing will be out of control within a year.
WisCon on February 10, 2009 at 12:32 PM
with obama as potus. America will once again be seen as a paper tiger. I hate liberals
Locrian on February 10, 2009 at 12:36 PM
No, it’s a rhetorical one. We already know the answer to it.
Tommy_G on February 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Much the same can be said about Iran–they’re in on the Great Game too! The inability/unwillingness of Obama to tighten the noose on our adversaries is startling. Iran borders Turkmenistan (Central Asia’s largest natural gas producer), and is Afghanistan’s northern neighbor.
Also, China is a player. It’s building a pipleline westward in order to tap Caspian energy resources–resources that have until now always flowed west, and were involved in both world wars.
Obama is so out of his league. It’s a free-for-all among the world’s rogues and villains.
JiangxiDad on February 10, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Here’s a map:
You can plot your moves too. See why Pakistan is so important?
JiangxiDad on February 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Yeah, “APOCALYPSE 2012!!!!11″ is looking like an optimistic point of view. I’m wondering how Obama plans to blow up the electoral gains in Iraq. Should be an interesting four years, if you’re a Muslim Brotherhood booster.
Beagle on February 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Heh! Worship the process and not the result.
a capella on February 10, 2009 at 12:41 PM
The arrival of the 12th Imam couldn’t be better news for Ahmadinejad than Barry is. In fact, Barry is the 12th Imam. Ahmadinejad has traveled throughout central Asia for over two years now building alliances.
JiangxiDad on February 10, 2009 at 12:47 PM
The Russians are going to trump our $55M lease with $450M in aid. They are certainly welcome to do so — it’s like putting all their money on “OO” — and with about the same probability of eventual success; I’m sure Kyrgyzstan does not want to be part of Orthodox Russia. It’s time for Cold War II, in which the United States again tanks Russia’s economy by forcing them to compete. Obama’s stimulus would be a great place to put the hardware and spare cash necessary to trump Russia’s game. Let’s let the Russians give their $450M, and then we can deal with the double-dealing Kyrgyzstanis. The Kyrgyzstanis will love us for that. And what can the Russians do? They’ve already said there is no quid pro quo here and to even make the smallest squeak will show them to be liars.
unclesmrgol on February 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM
When Bush went to war, he made his case and retreat was not an option. There was no doubt in the troops’ minds that they would not have the rug pulled out from under them.
Obama has not made his case for war. In fact, he was a critic. He can send thousands of US troops to their deaths in Afghanistan and still get credit for ending the war if he throws in the towel. He’s sort of in the envious position that I suppose Nixon was in where he might entertain thoughts of winning the war for his legacy or ending the war for his legacy. Unless Obama does what Bush does and eliminates all avenues of retreat and personally ties his legacy to the outcome of the war, we can’t let him sacrifice our young men for his amusement. Those lives will have been wasted for nothing.
Buddahpundit on February 10, 2009 at 12:53 PM
It’s already out of control. We are just beginning to see the fraying edges of the problem.
Our enemies are fully anticipating, and planning, on Obama to be rolling gutter balls for the next four years.
Yoop on February 10, 2009 at 12:55 PM
“Kyrgyzstan’s parliament will delay a vote on expelling U.S. troops from an important base there until it receives $450 million in aid and loans promised by Russia, a lawmaker said Monday.”
Smart move. With the falling price of oil, Putin doesn’t have much money in the cupboard. And he sure isn’t going to get any from Chavez for all that military hardware he sold them.
GarandFan on February 10, 2009 at 12:58 PM
“Kyrgyzstan’s parliament will delay a vote on expelling U.S. troops from an important base there until it receives $450 million in aid and loans promised by Russia, a lawmaker said Monday.” Russia is waiting for the US to ‘pass’ the ’stimulus’ package so that we can cough up some money for them to give to Kyrgystan.
That sounds like porn to me…are we sure Billy isn’t directly involved in this porker-pornfest?
“Will Obama prove his mettle in this arena?” What mettle? The guy is what we used to call a ‘purse’. (I guess it’s derived from the combo of ‘Percy’ and a handbag.)
Christine on February 10, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Hate to say it… but Barry either needs to go all in, or quit.
No half hearted Op will help Afganistan… it will only get our people killed, for ultimatly no reason.
We are playing in Iran’s, and Russia’s, backyards… at the end of long non secure supply lines… and we just can’t afford the effort in Blood and Treasure right now.
Now, interestingly enough, I don’t see Russia and Iran being able to coexist long term once we leave Afganistan… its not in Russias interest to have an Islamist Jihadist state there… right now they are held together in oppostion to us… take that opposition away, and the tacit alliance they have may very well collapse rapidly.
Afganistan CAN be won… but at this point in history, we have to ask is it worth the fight NOW? We have other battles which need to be fought first… like getting our economy back in shape… and we need to worry about our own southern border…
Romeo13 on February 10, 2009 at 1:01 PM
The Great Game is now The Blame Game. Barry doesn’t have the guts to fight. Winter passes will open in just a few weeks. And India will not step up.
Christien on February 10, 2009 at 1:09 PM
870 billion on pork and gov’t spending, and they can’t toss a billion dollars at Thirdworldistan to help convince them? Really?
apollyonbob on February 10, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Seems to me Bambi can olny look behind and point the finger.
loudmouth883 on February 10, 2009 at 1:13 PM
The 450 million plus to Kyrgystan will be paid by our government once Obama and the Democrats finish paying off the political favors they owe from the election. Obamastan {once the great nation U.S.A} is in serious trouble.
alternative failures on February 10, 2009 at 1:17 PM
I think the only hope we have is SecState Hillary Clinton. Ut-oh!!
Obviously if I were President, Tsar Putin’s cell, crackberry and car phone would all be going off telling him that we – as in our two nations – need that air base as much as he needs his vodka ration. We’re at war with the descendents of Genghis Khan who seek an empire from the Caspian Sea to the Pacific… and beyond!
Oh and not to change the subject but any Republican to the right of Lincoln Chafee is better than any Democrat of today on foriegn affairs. Heck, I’ll take a Snowe-Lieberman and a SecState Collins team over this lot in the White House right now. If you didn’t vote McCain-Palin on 4 Nov’r and donated to the campaign, you really voted against our troops. Gee thanks so much.
Bottom line: Don’t hold your breath. We’re losing that base under Obama-Biden.
HotAirJosef on February 10, 2009 at 1:20 PM
You can’t kill the cancer in Afghanistan if you can’t go into Pakistan’s tribal areas and kill the terrorists from all sides. It’s very much like Cambodia was to Vietnam. If the enemy has a refuge nextdoor, it can regroup there and keep coming back over and over.
RBMN on February 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM
The only route to success in Afghanistan is to ensure that their government buildings are using green technology. Maybe buying them some golf carts would help or resodding the lawn in front of their capitol building. I mean that solution seems to be the answer here.
AmericanUnderground on February 10, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Barry will fold, which I believe has been his goal all along. He will commit thousands of troops to this theatre without a clear objective or the support they need. This will cause an increase in casualties, which will drive a withdrawal mandate from the American people. The gutting of our military is the next step on the road to a socialist one-world utopia of kings and serfs.
dmann on February 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM
You have no clout
You better not try
You better watch out, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
A-Bomb is on list
I’ll use more than twice
Good Muslims who die
Will go to paradise
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
He knows if you’re a Christian
He knows if you’re a Jew
He knows if you’re an in-fi-del
He’s told me what to do
So….You have no clout
You better not try, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
Aleph on February 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM
The timing of the Kyrgyzstan gambit should noted. A week ago, Russia “suggested” they’d be willing to “help” in Afghanistan, and a few in the West saw this as a wonderful thing…a thaw, of sorts…from that wonderfully misunderstood Putin.
Despite all the campaign rhetoric and transition pronouncements, Obama does NOT want to make Afghanistan a major item in his foreign policy agenda. Just look at who he is talking to or trying to talk to, it becomes clear that Afghanistan will be ceded to the Russo-Sino camp and probably within a year. Obama will announce that after “full and careful” consideration we “won” in Afghanistan and now it is time to bring the troops home….and make further deep cuts to the defense budget to fund social programs and offset about 5-10% of the “stimulus.”
coldwarrior on February 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM
We’ve got a Chicago city councilman in charge of the White House. The guy isn’t even the alpha at home…I don’t know what anyone expects him to do.
We’ll probably keep a token force in the theater for years, but there will never be a victory.
Asher on February 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM
Outthinking Helen Thomas is hardly the sign of a great intellect. Most 4-year olds can do it.
AZCoyote on February 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Kyrgystan’s very poor and remote and landlocked…but her people aren’t stupid, apparently. Good for them to tell Putin to deliver the cash before they kick us out.
Afghanistan should be worth nothing to us. It certainly shouldn’t be worth another soldier’s life. I’d love it if somebody in the State Department told Pooty Poot and Achmadinejad that they can split that shithole right down the middle for all we care. Pakistan too.
And yes, my husband has been all over those places. Some are decent, but not a single one in Afghanistan makes the list of decent spots. Karzai wants us gone, let’s give him what he wants.
Kinda like with those leftist South Korean students who always demonstrate against our presence there….be careful what you wish for.
Do Afghan women get treated worse than livestock? Yep. Could even 500,000 American troops change that? Nope. Quit throwing away their lives and health on Afghanistan.
funky chicken on February 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM
I look forward to getting over there and checking out the situation in person. It looks increasingly like Afghanistan is the likely destination rather than Iraq.
I’d like to run into Yon while I’m over there – to say thank you. He never ceases to amaze. He reminds me of what reporters once were.
Professor Blather on February 10, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Ever since the Russian -Georgian war of Sept I have said that we need to give up on Afghanistan. Even if we eliminated Taliban in Afghanistan, they have haven in the tribal areas and the Taliban war against Pakistan military has been winning for about 2 years. Pakistan lost the valley of Swat and the Paki Taliban control the entire western section. We lost control over the Khyber Pass and the supply line is too long. Airdrops cannot even make up 1 days fuel use. We need to eliminate the Taliban in Pakistan and they will win Pakistan in a couple of years. Mr. 10 % is incapable of getting the military and the ISI is 50 % Taliban anyway. After all the Taliban with Baitullah Mehsud was able to assassinate his wife easily enough. Musharaff was are only hope and when he lost the country support we lost the chance.
Even if we won, upgrading the civilization in Afghanistan without a strong king warlord in power is hopeless. The only hope would be from the previous ruling family, which could wield myth and fable and a warlord tradition.
Putin’s ego is involved in his contest with us. He does not see the demographic reality that China and the Muslim world will gobble up Russia. Russia does not have the population to man the army it has and it is going down hill. Russia needs the US but ego gets in the way.
The oil revenue drop, has made Putin ability to bribe disappear.
RAH on February 10, 2009 at 5:39 PM
It is doubtful if anyone can rule the hills of Afghanistan by force of arms; it is a mountainous region populated by fiercely independent hill tribes. The Taliban can rule by force of ideology, however, and there’s little we can do to counter that. Like the Mob in big cities, they delegate fear down to the local level.
There is perhaps one way we could keep the Taliban and al Qaeda at bay, and that is by outbidding them for the poppy crop. Buy it all up, year after year, and sweeten that with infrastructure: schools, roads, electricity. We can use the opiates in the legitimate medical market, and that will have the added benefit of keeping them out of the black market. It will cost a lot of money, but not nearly as much as increased military operations.
I don’t expect anyone in the new administration has the smarts to put forth a program like this. They’ll probably just pussyfoot around, getting a bunch of brave American troops killed in the process, and then sneak away the way Clinton did from Somalia.
The biggest danger, of course, is Islamist control of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. We may have to put together a deal with India to defang Pakistan, one way or another.
MrLynn on February 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM
Read “The Afghan Campaign” by Steven Pressfield. It’s about Alexander’s campaign in Afghanistan 2,000 years ago. If you didn’t know the book was about Alexander, you’d think it was about recent times.
If Alexander, and the many who came after him (including the Soviets), couldn’t change the country, what makes us think we can?
Common Sense on February 10, 2009 at 10:30 PM
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