Obama presser: Does Obama pay attention?

posted at 8:18 am on February 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

An oft-repeated aphorism instructs us that we can have our own opinions, but not our own facts — or at least not unless we get to stand behind the podium at the White House.  When Barack Obama explained his economic package last night to the American people in a prime-time press conference, he made two flat-out false statements regarding his opposition.  He also added a completely incorrect reading of history, one that turns out to be very instructive about his own economic incompetence.

First, let’s start with his lies (and that’s not too strong a word) about Republicans:

As I said, the one concern I’ve got on the stimulus package, in terms of the debate and listening to some of what’s been said in Congress is that there seems to be a set of folks who — I don’t doubt their sincerity — who just believe that we should do nothing. Now, if that’s their opening position or their closing position in negotiations, then we’re probably not going to make much progress, because I don’t think that’s economically sound and I don’t think what — that’s what the American people expect, is for us to stand by and do nothing.

Republicans in both the House and Senate have offered at least two alternative stimulus packages.  None of them demanded that Obama “do nothing”.  In fact, it was the Congressional Budget Office and not Republicans that suggested that doing nothing might have a better effect than the Obama/Pelosi/Reid stimulus bill, as our friends at Power Line point out.

This lie is particularly egregious, as Nancy Pelosi locked Republicans out of drafting the bill altogether.  Barack Obama talked about his own initiatives to reach across the aisle by naming three Republicans to his Cabinet, but what he didn’t mention was his and Pelosi’s version of bipartisanship in drafting the bill, which amounted to “we won”.  Had Republicans been given an opportunity to work on the bill, it would have been somewhat smaller with a different set of tax cuts, but probably in a range from $450-600 billion, which is what their alternatives proposed — and it would have gotten overwhelming support in Congress.

Second lie:

My administration inherited a deficit of over $1 trillion, but because we also inherited the most profound economic emergency since the Great Depression, doing little or nothing at all will result in ever — even greater deficits, even greater job loss, even greater loss of income and even greater loss of confidence. …

But what I — what I’ve been concerned about is some of the language that’s been used suggesting that this is full of pork and this is wasteful government spending, so on and so forth. First of all, when I hear that from folks who presided over a doubling of the national debt, then, you know, I just want them to not engage in some revisionist history. I inherited the deficit that we have right now and the economic crisis that we have right now.

Obama tried a couple of times to lay the deficit off on the Republicans, but more than half of that deficit came from the bailouts of last year, which the Democrats pushed through Congress.  Republicans balked at the massive TARP program, which Obama criticized in his press conference last night.  The Bush administration didn’t partner with Republican leadership to get that passed; they had to get the Democrats to pass it, and Democrats have controlled Congress for the last two years.  And the economic crisis came from the collapse of the housing market bubble created by the kind of intervention Obama proposes.

And now the historic illiteracy of Barack Obama:

I think that what I’ve said is what other economists have said across the political spectrum, which is that if you delay acting on an economy of this severity, then you potentially create a negative spiral that becomes much more difficult for us to get out of.

We saw this happen in Japan in the 1990s, where they did not act boldly and swiftly enough, and as a consequence they suffered what was called the “lost decade,” where essentially for the entire ’90s, they did not see any significant economic growth.

Er, what? Even the New York Times knows that Japan acted too swiftly, too boldly, and ran up massive deficits on infrastructure work that never stimulated the economy:

Japan’s rural areas have been paved over and filled in with roads, dams and other big infrastructure projects, the legacy of trillions of dollars spent to lift the economy from a severe downturn caused by the bursting of a real estate bubble in the late 1980s. During those nearly two decades, Japan accumulated the largest public debt in the developed world — totaling 180 percent of its $5.5 trillion economy — while failing to generate a convincing recovery. …

In the end, say economists, it was not public works but an expensive cleanup of the debt-ridden banking system, combined with growing exports to China and the United States, that brought a close to Japan’s Lost Decade. This has led many to conclude that spending did little more than sink Japan deeply into debt, leaving an enormous tax burden for future generations.

In other words, Obama gets an F in economic history despite supposedly having the best and brightest cribbers working on his staff.  He gets an F for honesty as well as an D- on bipartisanship.  It’s a lousy start to his four-year class on how to be an executive.

Update: The Anchoress says Obama knows his history all too well:

I disagree with Ed about the history part. Obama understands history very well. He understands that if you lie about history enough, then the lie becomes the “truth” as far as the populace is concerned. Just like when Obama spoke to al-Arabiya TV and completely mischaracterized the “last 20-30 years” history between the Arab nations in the Middle East and the US. “A lie told often enough becomes the truth” who said that first? Oh, right… it was first said by Lenin! See Ed? Obama knows history! And too many of us have forgotten.


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George Soros tells him what to say during their pillow talk.

carl todd hand on February 10, 2009 at 8:21 AM

Shockah–
The Associated Press actually has a pretty good fact-check on BHO’s pork campaign here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090210/ap_on_go_pr_wh/fact_check_obama

jgapinoy on February 10, 2009 at 8:21 AM

what he didn’t mention was his and Pelosi’s version of bipartisanship in drafting the bill, which amounted to “we won”.

When BHO says that, he forgets that every GOP Congressman there also won.

jgapinoy on February 10, 2009 at 8:23 AM

In other words, Obama gets an F in economic history despite supposedly having the best and brightest cribbers working on his staff. He gets an F for honesty as well as an D- on bipartisanship.

Why the “D-” on bipartisanship? That should have gotten a 0 (forget “F”). He is more partisan than any President I can recall. He does nothing but demonize Republicans/conservatives at every single turn, along with having the annoying habit of repeating “I won” ad nauseum.

The fact that he’s an idiot, on top of it, doesn’t bode well, either.

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 8:25 AM

Why are we Conservatives not organized like the libs. After every major Bush speech, there was a lib waiting in the wings to counter and sometimes even countermand what he had just spoken about. Did we do that or should I start pulling my hair out again?

hawkdriver on February 10, 2009 at 8:27 AM

He doesn’t need to pay attention. He’s doing all of this on purpose. We are supposed to pay attention and what he says is fact. It’s not a lie. He won he sets the stage. If you oppose him you are wrong. If you tell him otherwords you are a combanant. With his poll numbers so high he has nothing to fear, not even fear itself.

Will this change who knows, but the way it is now it’s his way, there is no alternitive right now. Republicans don’t have the votes.

Brat4life on February 10, 2009 at 8:28 AM

does anyone out there other than “us” get this? is there anyone out there who voted for this socialist who realizes their mistake & is willing to call their congresscritters to take a stand?

kelley in virginia on February 10, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Nice breakdown Ed. I especially liked using the NYT as reference to why there isn’t really a historical pretext in Japan.

Here’s the thing though…I don’t think Obama missed all of these facts in his extraordinarily expensive education. I think he is intentionally distorting reality in order to cause “fundamental change” in America. There is something a lot more evil than ignorance going on here.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM

the only positive thing is that tax cheat geithner will try to suggest we spend even more money on TARP II. and that won’t be an easy sell. or is America even paying attention?

kelley in virginia on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Who is telling him what to say? Are these his own thoughts or those of his alter egos? If it’s the latter, then David Axelrod can run a campaign but is not much use running a country. And Rahm might be of use running things, but they would tend to be run in an under handed and sneaky way. Wonder if these guys are headed to fill the shrinking space under the bus? Whomever the authors of last night’s speech, they must be firmly convinced that the voters of this country are fools.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

He is more partisan than any President I can recall. He does nothing but demonize Republicans/conservatives at every single turn, along with having the annoying habit of repeating “I won” ad nauseum.

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 8:25 A

Amen PoP. It wasn’t too long into GWBs administration his own people got mad because he personally invited Ted Kennedy into the White House to get his input on NCLB. And they still turned on him.

hawkdriver on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Another piece of misrepresentation or economic illiteracy: Obama tagged the current economy as the worst since the Great Depression, when the fact is there have been since then two substantially worse than now.

petefrt on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Best press conference I have seen from a President in eight years.

getalife on February 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM

On another thread one of our resident trolls ejaculated this opinion.

Wonder if he’ll weigh in here where the facts prove otherwise.

Disturb the Universe on February 10, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Not honest mistakes. He’s a flat out liar with a radical leftist agenda. The MSM are his accomplices in this crime of the century. They should ALL be hanged.

marklmail on February 10, 2009 at 8:33 AM

I don’t think he was knowingly lying. If he was lying I could accept that as just more of the kind of political rhetoric that the left finds acceptable.

Very troubling is the more likely explanation, which is that he actually believes what he is saying. We have sailed into some very dangerous waters with this fool at the helm.

Yoop on February 10, 2009 at 8:34 AM

That’s an oldie but goodie.

I don’t doubt their sincerity — who just believe that we should do nothing.

Barack makes a ridiculous claim and then attributes it to Republicans and then argues against it.
Classic <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawmanstrawman 101

NeoKong on February 10, 2009 at 8:35 AM

Another piece of misrepresentation or economic illiteracy: Obama tagged the current economy as the worst since the Great Depression, when the fact is there have been since then two substantially worse than now.

petefrt on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Hush now. That doesn’t fit the model.

hawkdriver on February 10, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Whomever the authors of last night’s speech, they must be firmly convinced that the voters of this country are fools.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Maybe they’d better hold off on the brazen misrepresentations until after they shut down talk radio.

petefrt on February 10, 2009 at 8:36 AM

woops
Classic strawman 101

NeoKong on February 10, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Ed, that is an excellent analysis.

All I can say is “dittos”.

garry on February 10, 2009 at 8:36 AM

Well, that pretty much ends my wasting any additional time listening to this clown’s speeches.

Guy’s not even in office a month and people are tuning him out.

When’s the next election and how soon can we kick this neophyte to the curb?

NoDonkey on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Did anyone see this:

Schultz gets front row seat

Ed Schultz on the front row. Give me an f’in break.

BrianA on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

An oft-repeated aphorism instructs us that we can have our own opinions, but not our own facts — or at least not unless we get to stand behind the podium at the White House.

I think we’re going to need to go one sentence at a time on this one, Ed.

Jaibones on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Read this about the stimulus: it’ll make you sick.

Modeled after the National Health Service? We all know how that’s worked out.

“Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.”

ahem on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Look at the bright side: He’s an eternal optimist.

JammieWearingFool on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

We can all thank affirmative action. He’s been propped up his entire life. What a disgrace.

ex-Democrat on February 10, 2009 at 8:38 AM

Jeez.

I knew this guy was inexperienced and unqualified from the start. But I didn’t think he’d actually exceed my expectations, in the negative, in less than a month. Especially after the Clinton administration redux. I mean, heck, they’ve actually done this before. Obama’s about the only one whom hasn’t!

This is going to be one helluva 4-year long cluster fark unsurpassed in American history, and who knows how many years of feeling the burn until we recover, if he doesn’t get his head out of his executive orifice.

FlatFoot on February 10, 2009 at 8:38 AM

In the words of Mark Levin (screaming):

Oh, no, WHAT HAVE WE DONE!?!?

It’s going to be a long 4 years my friends. Buckle up and save all the money you can.

http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-the-worlds-biggest-spender/

funsutton on February 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM

First, the podium seems to have little to do with it: Bush was accused of lying repeatedly for believing the same things that the entire Clinton administration said in public a thousand times.

And Obama has gotten away with serial lying ever since he was first on the scene, running for Senate.

Nope – it’s not the podium.

Jaibones on February 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM

No wonder 50% think the Republicans aren’t doing a good job re: the stimulus. Our President is lying about their involvement and comments.

Notice how he didn’t mention that there are also DEMOCRATS who think the bill is too full of pork?

ctmom on February 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM

hawkdriver on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Exactly. I don’t know how many times I bitched about Bush being far too liberal. I am just amazed that anyone is buying this cr#p from the Precedent. He is a nasty, spiteful person and that seems pretty easy to spot. Something is very wrong with America, today.

I fear the day when these turds try to shove amnesty through. The GOP will be totally destroyed by that, since McCain and others will go out of their way to screw us over and the party will just shatter. Of course, that legislation passing will be the final nail in the coffin of the United States of America, as it has been for all of our history.

This is pure insanity.

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM

OT: Obama proceeds with attempt to Jail Bush

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/09/politics/main4787625.shtml?tag=topHome;topStories

faraway on February 10, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Does Obama pay attention?

He’s paying attention; he just hopes the public isn’t.

Disturb the Universe on February 10, 2009 at 8:40 AM

Excellent report Ed.

Mark30339 on February 10, 2009 at 8:41 AM

Know what else Japan in the 90s had in comming with our current situation? Really high tax rates on corporations. Taxes which make it less likely those businesses will hire more people in an economic downturn.

I wonder if we could, in fact, learn some lessons from Japan’s lost decade…

BadgerHawk on February 10, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Well done Ed… Rush-Hannity-Beck should have a field day with the new material Bamby has thrown down…

Will any member of the MSM dare call this clown out on his lies?

Keemo on February 10, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Fascism in America won’t come with jackboots, book burnings, mass rallies, and fevered harangues, nor will it come with black helicopters or tanks on the street. It won’t come like a storm—but as a break in the weather, that sudden change of season you might feel when the wind shifts on an October evening: Everything is the same, but everything has changed. Something has gone, departed from the world, and a new reality will have taken its place. All the old forms will still be there: legislatures, elections, campaigns—plenty of bread and circuses. But “consent of the governed” will no longer apply; actual control of the state will have passed to a small and privileged group who rule for the benefit of their wealthy peers and corporate patrons.

To be sure, there will be factional conflicts among the elite, and a degree of debate will be permitted; but no one outside the privileged circle will be allowed to influence state policy. Dissidents will be marginalized—usually by “the people” themselves. Deprived of historical knowledge by a thoroughly impoverished educational system designed to produce complacent consumers, left ignorant of current events by a corporate media devoted solely to profit, many will internalize the force-fed values of the ruling elite, and act accordingly. There will be little need for overt methods of control.

The rulers will act in secret, for reasons of “national security,” and the people will not be permitted to know what goes on in their name. Actions once unthinkable will be accepted as routine: government by executive fiat, state murder of “enemies” selected by the leader, undeclared wars, torture, mass detentions without charge, the looting of the national treasury, the creation of huge new “security structures” targeted at the populace. In time, this will be seen as “normal,” as the chill of autumn feels normal when summer is gone. It will all seem normal.

–Chris Floyd, November 10, 2001 Moscow Times (English edition)

AZ_Redneck on February 10, 2009 at 8:46 AM

Obama is on his way to the establishment of a pure Marxist sate and no amount of rhetoric or opposing fact will change his course. Unfortunately, he has mesmerized every glassy eyed Democrat in the congress and all of them have fallen under his spell.

When challenged and without a prompter he is completely lost and the opposition should take every opportunity to isolate him and challenge him one-on-one. The only other tools liberty-loving people have are loud dissent and citizen education that should be used constantly and continuously, lest the Republic disappear.

These are sad and dangerous times for the country.

rplat on February 10, 2009 at 8:46 AM

First, let’s start with his lies (and that’s not too strong a word)

I’d like to see someone in the Senate/House use that terminology – because that’s what this presser was, one big lie.

And have you read about the Health Care provisions snuck into the bill by I-don’t-need-to-pay-no-stinkin’-taxes Daschle?

klickink.wordpress.com on February 10, 2009 at 8:47 AM

Obama has been lying since he started campaining for President. He behaves like a South American dictator.

Rode Werk on February 10, 2009 at 8:47 AM

ahem on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

I was just recently trying to explain to a friend why I oppose nationalized healthcare. Their biggest mistake was not thinking just one tiny step past the glorious notion of not paying medical bills. What happens when you tell the government to pay your medical bills? They have to manage the cost…that is, manage your health and prioritize your care based on your benefit to society.

I would be a lot more excited about where we’re headed on that if it wasn’t such a long term screw up. Can you imagine what it will be like trying to un-entitle people? Impossible. We’d have to have some sort of civil war I bet.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 8:48 AM

I thought he was stoned. Was he sober?

Skandia Recluse on February 10, 2009 at 8:49 AM

President Barack”Let Them Eat Arugula” Obama is selling a big crap sandwich. The three Republicans in line with this “Great American Swindle” must be Marxist/Socialists too. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK.

adamsmith on February 10, 2009 at 8:49 AM

And now the historic illiteracy of Barack Obama:

I think that what I’ve said is what other economists have said across the political spectrum, which is that if you delay acting on an economy of this severity, then you potentially create a negative spiral that becomes much more difficult for us to get out of.

We saw this happen in Japan in the 1990s, where they did not act boldly and swiftly enough, and as a consequence they suffered what was called the “lost decade,” where essentially for the entire ’90s, they did not see any significant economic growth.

Er, what? Even the New York Times knows that Japan acted too swiftly, too boldly, and ran up massive deficits on infrastructure work that never stimulated the economy:

Japan’s rural areas have been paved over and filled in with roads, dams and other big infrastructure projects, the legacy of trillions of dollars spent to lift the economy from a severe downturn caused by the bursting of a real estate bubble in the late 1980s. During those nearly two decades, Japan accumulated the largest public debt in the developed world — totaling 180 percent of its $5.5 trillion economy — while failing to generate a convincing recovery. …

In the end, say economists, it was not public works but an expensive cleanup of the debt-ridden banking system, combined with growing exports to China and the United States, that brought a close to Japan’s Lost Decade. This has led many to conclude that spending did little more than sink Japan deeply into debt, leaving an enormous tax burden for future generations.

Can someone send this to Specter, Snowe & Collins and give them a big thanks for nothing? Do any Senators know their history? Does Obama really believe what he says. On Japan’s economy – Obama totally lied and spun it 180. And folks that is the problem in a nutshell. Obama lies, the MSM covers and most of the idiots believe it. 10 years from now the next President will be telling us about the great US mistake and why did we need heed the warnings from Japan?

izoneguy on February 10, 2009 at 8:50 AM

I think it is time to join up with the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy. Where do we go to sigh up? I’m ready.
Oh, wait. That was a figment of Hillary’s imagination. Guess it is time to form one.

BetseyRoss on February 10, 2009 at 8:50 AM

I caught every one of those lies last night and was screaming at the TV.

I told my wife that ,unfortunately, 90% of the people listening to the “propoganda” (speech) and answers to questions from the press were not informed enough to realize that they were lies.

I hope I am wrong about the 90% figure but I am sure that most Americans would not have dissected his words as well as Ed has done.

AnthonyK on February 10, 2009 at 8:50 AM

He also flat out lied about no earmarks in this bill. There’s a huge one of over a billion dollars for an unproven co-generation plant in Illinois. There’s two 20-story hotels in Harrisburg, PA and a skate park in York. Unless Obama has somehow redefined earmarks, this bill is rife with them.

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Ed Schultz on the front row. Give me an f’in break.

BrianA on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

I was kind of liking Obama during the transition period, but ever since then, not so much. Not so much.

BadgerHawk on February 10, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Comrades,
When the Premier, er President wants your opinion he’ll give it to you.

Whomever the authors of last night’s speech, they must be firmly convinced that the voters of this country are fools.

jeanie on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

is America even paying attention?

kelley in virginia on February 10, 2009 at 8:31 AM

Most are sheep that repeat the MSM media 5 second talking point. I listen to a lot of people in the break & lunch room and I can’t help but laugh at their ignorance. Half the douchebags think the Repub’s were in control of both House’s until recently and the other half repeat the THE STINK’s talking points with no facts to back it up. Too lazy or too damn stupid to think for themselves? Probably both.

And where’s my frakkin Unicorn and butterflies?

VikingGoneWild on February 10, 2009 at 8:53 AM

All I can say is Ditto too. He was lying and misrepresenting history, probably because he thinks the American public has been too concerned about Jessica Simpson’s weight gain and A-Rods steroid use to even notice what the heck he said.

Whats said is its probably true.

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 8:53 AM

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 8:51 AM

*Obama waves hand* These are not the earmarks you’re looking for…

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 8:53 AM

I wonder if we could, in fact, learn some lessons from Japan’s lost decade…

BadgerHawk on February 10, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Just to fill in an interesting detail of the Japanese experience:

Nikkei Dec 1989 40,000
Nikkei Feb 2009  7,950

Dow Dec 2007 13,000
Dow Feb 2027   ??

(This is assuming that the USA even continues to exist for another 20 years, which I highly doubt, for a variety of reasons)

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Read this about the stimulus: it’ll make you sick.

“Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

ahem on February 10, 2009 at 8:37 AM

Under the new rationing system, the older you are, the less are your chances of getting a medical treatment. Under this rationing, health care will be denied older people in favor of younger people, probably including younger illegal aliens.

Until I heard about this, I was fearful for my country. Now I’m also fearful for my health.

petefrt on February 10, 2009 at 8:54 AM

I would be a lot more excited about where we’re headed on that if it wasn’t such a long term screw up. Can you imagine what it will be like trying to un-entitle people? Impossible. We’d have to have some sort of civil war I bet.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 8:48 AM

You can’t, especially when it comes to health care. Margaret Thatcher managed to un-entitle Britain to some extent, but even she never had the stones to take on the National Health Service. Now it’s driving the British people mad.

I’m a lot more copncerned about the stealth repeal of welfare reform that is is this legislation and would never have passed Congress in the light of day. This bill is full of huge policy changes like that. We’ll never get the work requirements back into welfare, and we will end up right back where we were in the 1970s and 80s, with generations of fatherless families on welfare and never having to hold a job.

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Of course, that legislation passing will be the final nail in the coffin of the United States of America, as it has been for all of our history.

This is pure insanity.

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 8:39 AM

“Nail in the coffin” is apropos seeing as how Liberty died under Wilson/House. Reagan tried to ressusitate US, but the Bush’s under the Reagan guise, along with Slick and now AP’s The One are finishing the job.

We are in our death throes.

It’s over. The Second American Dictator has risen.

Liberty is dead.

Fun while it lasted.

klickink.wordpress.com on February 10, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Why are we Conservatives not organized like the libs.

Because they are in an internal power struggle as to what conservatism actually means. There are very few who can wear the mantel of true conservatism. Most of the republicans are trying to be “moderates” which is a word that means “no real convictions”. Every one is worried about reelection. They are just going the path of least resistance and hope that it will keep them in office.

Tommy_G on February 10, 2009 at 8:56 AM

This guy and his team are on perpetual “campaign mode” in which they say anything they want and say it often enough that it becomes the accepted truth.

Obama has never made a point of being particularly careful with the facts, nor interested in compromising with the opposition. He wants us to buy that having drinks with Republicans is bipartisanship. He never actually comes off of his predetermined positions one inch, but look at him smiling and taking pictures with his vanquished opposition! Now, that’s bipartisanship we can believe in.

I only hope Republicans’ newly discovered spines harden quickly.

Sugar Land on February 10, 2009 at 8:56 AM

So very exasperating.

Aronne on February 10, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Change Misrepresentation We Can Believe In!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on February 10, 2009 at 8:58 AM

petefrt on February 10, 2009 at 8:54 AM

You and me both..plus, Im worried about the elderly who will, if this crap passes, be put away in homes and left to die. Sure looks,like the crazy left do not care about them.

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Rewriting America’s history and redefining terms is the only way to remake America’s future.

If we don’t challenge the rot that comes from his mouth, we will lose another generation, another election and the last of our liberties.

Where are our elected leaders? Where is our new RNC Chairman?

Get your butts out there and challenge Obama!

katy on February 10, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Ed?

You must have missed this one…

“Banks got us into this mess.”

“Banks” didn’t get us into this mess… POLITICIANS – politicians of the DEMOCRAT stripe, got us into this mess.

Unless, you believe, “Banks” conspired to give risky loans to dead-beats for Fun and Profit.

franksalterego on February 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM

When BHO says that, he forgets that every GOP Congressman there also won.

jgapinoy on February 10, 2009 at 8:23 AM

GOP wins don’t matter. Beyond that, Obama grossly overstates the significance of his November victory. I’ll guess that 35% of those voting really want his change. The rest of those who voted for simply wanted Bush and the GOP out of the White House because they weren’t who they said they were.

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2009 at 9:01 AM

“In other words, Obama gets an F in economic history despite supposedly having the best and brightest cribbers working on his staff. He gets an F for honesty as well as an D- on bipartisanship. It’s a lousy start to his four-year class on how to be an executive.”

In other words, an A for Con Art.

Dusty on February 10, 2009 at 9:02 AM

Oh please let someone ask Gibbs about all this today- His answer will bring about a new record high of, “err’s”, “ahhhh’s”, “uhmmmm’s” and “I need to check on that”.

anniekc on February 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Why are we Conservatives not organized like the libs.

Too many folks worried about things like “stealth creationism” to see their liberty slipping right through their fingers.

BrianA on February 10, 2009 at 9:05 AM

I was in disbelief when I heard him say last night that the Japanese government didn’t do enough in the 1990′s. Either he’s lying his ass off or he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. If I had to pick my poison, I’d go with the former. But either way, we’re screwed with this guy in charge.

The other blatant falsehood being spread by Obama(and reenforced by the drive-bys and Dems) is that tax cuts got us into this mess. If that’s the case, then why not just raise them through the roof? That should result in the opposite, correct?

Regardless, this bill will fail miserably at fixing this economy. Obama should honestly be an easy mark for whoever the GOP nominee is in 2012. The key is we MUST have someone, I don’t care who it is, who can speak coherently about the economy. McCain was completely out of his depth on the subject. Romney or Sanford would absolutely school this guy. Palin….the jury’s still out on her, but she seems to be a quick study.

Doughboy on February 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Er, what? Even the New York Times knows that Japan acted too swiftly, too boldly, and ran up massive deficits on infrastructure work that never stimulated the economy:

Actually, and this is scary stuff, but Paul Krugman is going around claiming the Japanese “Chickened Out” and didn’t spend as much as they should to ‘stimulate’ and that is the reason they had Stagflation, and if you are going down that road you can’t get half-way and quit, you have to go full throttle with these “Stimulus” bills….

these people are insane

jp on February 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM

katy on February 10, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Michael Steele was on F & F this morning blasting the big, fat liar.

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 8:54 AM

As was brought up in another thread, the Nikkei was most recently at this level back in 2003. Then it climbed, though nowhere near the 39,000 it historically peaked at, before falling along with the rest of the world markets.

The real concern is not that our DOW will crash to 4 or 5,000, but that our DOW 14,000 will equal the Nikkei 39,000. We’re essentially starting to make the same mistakes that Japan made when trying to get out of its lost decade.

BadgerHawk on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Lying sack of $hit.

D2Boston on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Im worried about the elderly who will, if this crap passes, be put away in homes and left to die. Sure looks,like the crazy left do not care about them.

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Where is the AARP on this? Have they said even a word about it?

petefrt on February 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM

This is ridiculous. In the UK the opposition has a right of reply, so when the Chancellor (Treasury Secretary) makes his televised statement on the annual budget, the shadow chancellors from the opposition parties get to give their own address in response.

Ed, or anyone: Do the Republicans get to respond to Obama on similar terms – ie prime time on all the big channels?

Is there anything stopping the RNC buying airtime – I presume they can’t get it for free, even though Obama did – and putting McCain, Romney or another senior figure on at prime time to explain the Republican position on this? This is way bigger than an annual budget address, but Obama gets a monopoly on addressing the country.

I think I’m detecting a flaw in your system here…

EnglishMike on February 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Here’s the thing though…I don’t think Obama missed all of these facts in his extraordinarily expensive education. I think he is intentionally distorting reality in order to cause “fundamental change” in America. There is something a lot more evil than ignorance going on here.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM

I don’t think he’s intentionally doing this. I think the problem is that he thinks he knows it all and so what he believes must be the truth. As I’ve written before the problem with Obama is not that he doesn’t know things, it’s that he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know things. He really believes what he says and the fact that he says it makes it the truth.

Don’t wait for the spectre of Obama being confronted by his own ignorance, his worldview doesn’t allow for that possibility.

PackerBronco on February 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM

klickink.wordpress.com on February 10, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Sad, but true. The only question now is how the collapse is going to go. I am leaning towards “very, very ugly”.

franksalterego on February 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Yes. And not a single question about the CRA, which BHO fought for and knows quite a bit about, or even one word about Fannie or Freddie. How does that work? The forced misvaluation of debt by the government, via threats of lawsuits, calls of racism, … But no one is interested in any of that. What a surprise.

How can anyone talk about the current problems without mentioning Fannie and Freddie, with their portfolios of over $5 trillion worth of cr#p?

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 9:10 AM

I hope the GOP has a backbone in both houses and just says no to this thing. Obama allowed Pelosi to steamroll him; let him live with this POS. The GOP shouldn’t sign on.

And these townhalls and last night’s press conference are a joke? He has the votes already; he doesn’t need the GOP. And if so much of the country wants his bill, enact it. We’ll see where we are in six to nine months. At least by then, maybe (just maybe) he’ll stop whining about what he’s inherited. And in that regard, the GOP really ought to put out some kind of a position paper outlining how we got here–warts in all. Dems were largely partners in this, and they surely handcuffed GOP senators who tried to do something about Fannie and Freddie a few years ago.

The GOP has to start defending itself when its warranted.

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

Palin….the jury’s still out on her, but she seems to be a quick study.

Doughboy on February 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM

If the economy is bad in 2012, Palin would be formidable because the public will be fed up with Harvard-educated plutocrats who have no real world experience and have screwed up the economy with their nonsense. In her debate with Biden, Palin’s best moments occured when she was able to relate her experiences as a small business owner to the effects of high taxes and high government spending.

PackerBronco on February 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 8:48 AM

rockmom on February 10, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Echo both your comments on entitlements. Health care and the rollback on wellfare requirements are just two pieces. We’re getting closer and closer to the point where a voting majority doesn’t pay an income tax. Once we pass that point, there’s no coming back from it.

BadgerHawk on February 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Thanks for the info. I just hope the pushback goes though the roof!

katy on February 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

petefrt on February 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Laure Ingraham is blasting this provision now. I myself hadnt even heard about it till yesterday listening to Rush. Maybe the AARP missed this one too.

Plus, isnt there a law against elderly abuse?

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM

EXACTLY: OBAMA IS A LIAR WHO DEBATES STRAW MEN.

BOTTOM-LINE:

THE STIMULUS IS A TROJAN HORSE FOR SOCIALISM AND PAYOLA TO THE SEIU, AFSCME AND ACORN.

COUPLED WITH MOVING THE CENSUS TO THE WHITE HOUSE UNDER RAHM IT REPRESENTS A REAL THREAT TO DEMOCRACY IN THE USA.

reliapundit on February 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM

see where we are in six to nine months. At least by then, maybe (just maybe) he’ll stop whining about what he’s inherited. And in that regard,

BuckeyeSam on February 10, 2009 at 9:12 AM

He’ll ride that horse for the next 4 to 8 years.

PackerBronco on February 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM

What is So aggravating is that time after time, and again, in just the past 21 days of the Obama Administration, Obama and his minions go around the country and repeat the same bald-faced lies, distortions of historic fact, and often make it up as they go along….and it appears the huddled masses yearning to be wards of the State are buying in to it all.

Last night was no exception, and this morning’s pundits are repeating the same.

Japan almost tanked…completely…went through several governments along the way, and were it not for the United States and a few other Pacific Rim nations buying Japanese products at bargain basement prices for a while, Japan would still be in the same rut. They are now only beginning to rid themselves of the excesses of the Obama-esque government intervention in their economy. A war, on par with WWII, could have done the job faster.

As for “doing nothing” no sensible person is demanding we do nothing. Most sensible people are trying to figure out what is in the “stimulus” and also are wondering why the most salient problems are not being addressed first…and then the ancilliary stuff being addressed an item at a time as the economy moves to a more even keel. But, no, according to Obama, we have to take the entire “stimulus” now…not next week…but right now…or we all are gonna die…

Giving the states funding right up front, on the basis of their real needs…public safety, state health care systems, unemployment funding, and the like seems to be a common sense first step. Such is buried in the “stimulus” or not present at all. I’m sorry, but I do not want my taxes used to build frisbie parks and polar bear enclosures along with a lot of other “pork” that Obama denies exists.

Addressing truthfully and honestly what caused the “housing bubble” to burst…and addressing honestly that many people who cannot afford renting an apartment or a double-wide, or who live in public housing are not good risks to be granted a mortgage…and who is bringing up the actual legislative and Executive Order history of events that led to Freddie and Fanny going tits up last summer? Only the sound of crickets….that’s all.

By the way…those unemployed folks out in Elkhart, Indiana? What have they been producing as a single-product industry instead of being diversified all along? RV’s. Producing gas guzzling RV’s, with (according to the Elkhart Chamber of Commerce a few years back) sold for an average of $500k or more. Not a lot of average folks able to buy one, nor afford to consider buying one…and there is a limited market for them to begin with, easily saturated, only so many country and rock stars looking for a roadie home.

And Obama wants us to feel sorry for the folks who make RV’s because of their failure to plan?

Face it, the past three weeks have been educational, to be polite. Obama and company will continue to make it up as they go along…and from now till 20 January 2013 they will be blaming all their failures on Bush. And the people will gladly buy in to it all.

coldwarrior on February 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

I don’t think he’s intentionally doing this. I think the problem is that he thinks he knows it all and so what he believes must be the truth. As I’ve written before the problem with Obama is not that he doesn’t know things, it’s that he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know things. He really believes what he says and the fact that he says it makes it the truth.

PackerBronco on February 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM

I respectfully disagree. At least some of this is outright dishonesty. It’s just getting hard to tell where the lies end and the ignorance begin.

EnglishMike on February 10, 2009 at 9:16 AM

hmm..is this another ploy be Dems to control the voting? I think the majority of the elderly vote Republican. I wonder what age one has to be to be considered elderly? 60? 70?

Wouldnt this take out several members of Congress?

becki51758 on February 10, 2009 at 9:16 AM

In the words of Rocky:

YOH A LOOSAH

blatantblue on February 10, 2009 at 9:17 AM

I don’t think Obama missed all of these facts in his extraordinarily expensive education. I think he is intentionally distorting reality in order to cause “fundamental change” in America. There is something a lot more evil than ignorance going on here.

blankminde on February 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM

An explanation that makes considerable sense, given that he keeps implying that Republicans have “ideology” and he and other Democrats don’t. !!!

ProfessorMiao on February 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM

As was brought up in another thread, the Nikkei was most recently at this level back in 2003.

Yes. And the rumor on the street was that the Japanese banks (all heavily invested in the Jpanese market) were insolvent at Nikkei 9,000.

Then it climbed, though nowhere near the 39,000 it historically peaked at, before falling along with the rest of the world markets.

It got back up to 18,000 or so, but was rising on nothing in particular.

The real concern is not that our DOW will crash to 4 or 5,000, but that our DOW 14,000 will equal the Nikkei 39,000. We’re essentially starting to make the same mistakes that Japan made when trying to get out of its lost decade.

BadgerHawk on February 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Actually, the real concern is that the dollar will be destroyed. That’s the road we’re on and that will end in such utter chaos that it is hard to imagine.

progressoverpeace on February 10, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Worst…president…ever…

ballz2wallz on February 10, 2009 at 9:20 AM

this is Standard Operating Procedures for the Democrat Party, difference is now we have wide access to the internet and blogs and are communicating this stuff easily to others, instead of being reliant on Print Press and MSM to inform the public. Should be an interesting 4 yrs on this front

jp on February 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

As Obama once said:

We have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and dischord.

Have we?

blatantblue on February 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Barack Obama’s political capital is getting spent as fast as this government welfare bill. But as long as he has this “capital”, the MSM will echo his profound fabrications as factual, when it is nothing short of political propaganda for the lemmings that have been served their “cake” and told to eat it.

Rovin on February 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM

I don’t think he’s intentionally doing this. I think the problem is that he thinks he knows it all and so what he believes must be the truth.

Making him like 99% of the people in the world. STONE HIM!!!

All this gnashing of teeth and wailing is the most delicious schadenfreude I’ve ever consumed

Let me taste your tears Scott, let me taste your tears/cartman voice.

No seriously, the GOP thought they had the upper hand in the debate, Obama really let them and Fox pundits just go overboard against this bill using the same tired languageof hte contract for America…and they eroded some support from it. But they also set up Obama last night, and this week, to remind voters “you’re gonna listen to *those* guys? Didn’t you vote them out because they sucked.” It’s a powerful argument and his characterization of “some” conservatives who want the government to do nothing is genius. He didn’t call out anyone specific and he didn’t even say “all” but in the minds of voters people will connect the critiques they’ve heard with the “do nothing GOP.” Hence the really bad poll numbers for the GOP right now. Mmmmmm delicious.

DeathToMediaHacks on February 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM

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