Buzz harshed: Sheriff arrests eight in Phelps pot probe

posted at 8:55 pm on February 10, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via JWF, it’s the modern equivalent of a Prohibition speakeasy raid. What a joy to know that it’s not just the economy in 1930s mode nowadays.

I’m not sure if I want him fired or put in charge of ICE.

Lott says the picture indicated a law was being broken in his jurisdiction. He said he couldn’t ignore the violation just because Phelps is rich and famous…

We’ve also learned that the department has located and confiscated that bong.

Sources say the owner of the bong was trying to sell it on eBay for as much as $100,000.

The owner, who wasn’t even at the party, is one of the eight now charged.

Phelps is not one of those charged at this point, but the sheriff’s department has strong evidence that matches the photo to the house on Blossom Street.

Not until this very moment did I know that merely owning a bong was illegal. Thanks, Wikipedia! Exit question: Given Phelps’s fame and the fact that marijuana advocates are spoiling for a fight on his behalf, would putting him on trial — preferably on TV — be the best thing that ever happened to the legalization movement? And, follow-up question: Whom do we contact to urge him not to plea bargain?

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“false dichotomy”, eh? LOL

If I already hadn’t seen that you didn’t understand that freedom is like non-pregnancy, this would have done it for me. If you believe a person can be free while someone else/others has authority over her/him, you should ask yourself why Thomas Jefferson struggled with slavery as he did.

You should take the time to learn the difference between “codependence” and “independence”. It’ll be good for you (and others around you) in the long run.

Bizarro No. 1 on February 11, 2009 at 5:12 PM

Yes. thats correct, a false choice. i.e. “It’s either this…or it’s that” when in fact there are many other overlapping reasons and processes involved.

I can only guess at what you’re point about “co dependence” and “independence” has to do with much of anything on the topic of the validity of the process and the implementation of laws.

Not everything is an intellectual exercise, some things have a more tangible basis.

Itchee Dryback on February 11, 2009 at 5:23 PM

Am I really the only person who’s enough of a square to use them for snacks?

Al in St. Lou on February 11, 2009 at 12:22 AM

No, I admitted earlier that I once did the same, but I bought them thinking they were sandwich bags and were never buy them intentionally.

Smoking MJ isn’t in any way similar to cheating on your spouse

FloatingRock on February 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM

Depends on how your spouse feels about it.

Although I’d suggest that the “maybe he meant tobacco! Yeah, that’s the ticket!” defense is so silly it would insult a jury into a conviction.

Silly or not, it’s perfectly valid. Of course I’ve already done one better and said he could claim it was Salvia, a substance of questionable morality though completely legal and smoked in the same exact pipes used to smoke pot.

And you don’t get much stronger circumstantial evidence than a picture of a guy smoking putting his mouth on a bong without smoke who later apologizes for smoking whatever was in that bong regrettable behavior.

Fixed for accuracy.

all open for reasonable debate.

I very often agree with you, but you and the sheriff are in the minority on this one for a reason.

But to argue “there is no evidence?” That’s simply factually inaccurate, by both the legal standard and any common sense standard.

Professor Blather on February 11, 2009 at 6:34 AM

Completely disagree. If merely posing with a clean water pipe were enough to convict someone of having once been in the possession of pot, then water pipes wouldn’t be legal to sell. See, this has already been decided. If it can be proved that a water pipe is intended to be used for pot or has been used for pot, then it’s an entirely different issue.

Esthier on February 11, 2009 at 6:04 PM

Also, if we were to convict everyone of possession who later admits to at one point smoking, we’d have to detain Presidents Bush, Clinton and Obama. And yet, we’ve never done a thing like that. Singling Phelps out just to get his name in the paper is stupid.

Esthier on February 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM

You are one of the most confused people I have ever seen on a message board!!! It’s so bad I feel like I am trying to have a rational discussion with Joy Behar!!! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on February 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM

What a compelling argument.
Can you be more specific?
Isn’t it funny..from my point of view, discussions that contain things like:

If I already hadn’t seen that you didn’t understand that freedom is like non-pregnancy,

and :

If I already hadn’t seen that you didn’t understand that freedom is like non-pregnancy,

I had to point that one out again.

not to mention:

People who willfully push their own feelings of what they believe is right onto others aren’t expressing freedom, but fascism.

or:

Drug laws are based upon subjective morality, as in they are based not upon any objective, consistent, rational standard of what is right,

add in:

Allowing all drugs to be legal was not a ‘failed’ policy – it was the embodiment of real freedom, which existed in this country, drugs-wise, before too many busybody control freaks got the legal power to interfere with the people’s pursuit of happiness.

Plus:

The legal enforcement of personal tastes upon others is not an example of genuine morality, so I further say that drug laws which don’t also apply to alcohol are not moral.

lead me to suspect the same about you..and, well..I have to lean in the direction that rational discussions are not your strong suit.

Itchee Dryback on February 11, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Leon needs to get a life. Richland County is next door to where I live. There is a lot more serious crime in Richland County that needs his immediate attention. Several weeks ago there was a woman that was murdered at around 8AM at a Bank of America while she transacting business at the drive through. This was not a mile from where my sister lives. Thankfully, they caught the man the next day.

SC.Charlie on February 11, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Saying “I support our drug laws” doesn’t convey much by itself. If you had said you support their legal right of existence but find some, if not all, of them immoral, that would be more descriptive, if that is your actual position. I can tell you that that’s my position.

Bizarro No. 1 on February 11, 2009 at 11:23 AM

It conveyed what I meant. That you are pretending to have trouble understanding what I meant, is a silly ruse. Don’t waste my time.

Blake on February 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM

No one wants prohibition to stay in place more than dealers and growers. Set up a grow room in your basement and you are set for six figures a year and up. If you legalize it, that opens up the free market, which means that people who have superior supplies of land and infastructure will push the little guy out of business.

We are spending nearly twenty billion dollars a year to restrict access to an intoxcant that kills nobody and impliment a policy that has failed so thoroughly that marijuana is now our number one cash crop.

Prohibition doesn’t work because you can never decrease the number of people who want to smoke pot, only the accessability. And when you limit the supply but don’t change the demand, the price goes up. And when the price goes up, it becomes more attractive for people to go into the pot business. And more people going into the pot business will lead to roughly the same level of accessability. It’s an economic chinese finger trap: the more strongly you prohibit something that has a very high demand, the more effort will be poured into meeting that demand by enterpeneurs. Pot is present even in coutnries where you can get the death penality for trafficking pot. There is just no stopping it.

I hate hippies as much as anyone, but legalization just makes sense. Legalize pot and you can enjoy less income taxes and a smaller prison population. We are accomplishing NOTHING with the drug war. If you live in a medium sized city or larger, guaranteed you can have a baggie of pot in your hand within half an hour. We might as well just set fire to the money used to enforce pot laws, for all the good its doing.

justfinethanks on February 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM

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